Bribery Scandal - FBI Probe - Book Richardson Involved

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:43 am

USC coaches can see into the future apparently.

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:46 pm

Sounds like three of the guys in trouble are trying to get plea-bargains going...which might mean this thing wraps up sooner than later...

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow ... story.html" target="_blank

Judicial Disposition means they are getting to a place where they "dispose" the case...finalize it in other words...this has a few possible scenarios...either they FBI has such airtight evidence there is no point in contesting it, or there have not been any other plea possibilities to materialize (ie; naming names has produced zilch in terms of FBI further convictions) or both...

Basically the article says they are extending the negotiation part of the case and the parties will all agree to a final verdict including penalties...

Several people familiar with the case expect more charges against others involved with college and grassroots basketball.

...more speculation from news media that gets paid to speculate.

"Several people familiar with the case"...ie: sources we do not want to name since they do not work for the FBI or the charged or really have anything at all to do with the case but we wanted a money quote for filler...

And what the hell is "grassroots basketball"???? Is someone starting a grassroots basketball thing, what a wonderful idea lets start a Gofund me page for this new sport thats been around for almost 100 years now...

CatHoops · Post by **CatHoops** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:11 am

AAU basketball

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:59 am

Yes, it's AAU, and they're looking for a plea deal.

Negotiation is probably centered on penalty vs. what prosecutors get in exchange. Typical stuff.

And, no, reporters/editors don't willingly withhold names of sources for "filler." That, too, is part of a deal. That is, "we will tell you this, but don't attribute it to me."

Pro-tip: Oftentimes, unnamed sources are named elsewhere in the story. They just want plausible deniability if someone comes looking for a leak. It's not the janitor. It's not made up.

(Not to get political, oftentimes people looking for leaks are previous leakers themselves. It's just that they're the victim this time.)

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:52 pm

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:59 am

Expectations high for stacked Arizona Wildcats, even as distractions — and sanctions — loom

By Bruce Pascoe Arizona Daily Star Oct 29, 2017 Updated 41 min ago

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... ail-latest" target="_blank

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:32 pm

BE4RDOWN21 wrote:The thing that I am dreading the most is Bill Walton's take on this issue for the entirety of the season

psiclist23 · Post by **psiclist23** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:53 pm

The worst part for me in all this is we are going to hear this bs repeated every single game this season.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:59 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:There's literally nothing to see here with this. He's trying to continue collecting a paycheck until he can't. This ensures he'll still be paid through probably March or so. Anybody else in this situation would do exactly that.
Yeah. The only potential downside would be if he wanted to actually push the suit in the direction of trial, and there's a low chance of that. Outside that possibility, it does nothing.

Yep. Trying (him and his attorney) to squeeze what they can out of a settlement knowing the University does not want any more attention regarding all of this until it's time for the NCAA to look at possible sanctions.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:30 pm

psiclist23 wrote:The worst part for me in all this is we are going to hear this bs repeated every single game this season.

Did you hear that Trier missed half of last season because he took PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS???

Also: Miller once told Rondae to stop shimmying and then he started to miss his FTs so Miller...

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:11 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:
psiclist23 wrote:The worst part for me in all this is we are going to hear this bs repeated every single game this season.
Did you hear that Trier missed half of last season because he took PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS???

Also: Miller once told Rondae to stop shimmying and then he started to miss his FTs so Miller...

I'm also sure that every AZ Star and KVOA story will mention it at some point. Players visit sick kids at UMC?

"As the specter of NCAA sanctions loom, Allonzo Trier gave children at UMC Arizona shirts. It is unknown about whether the children are potential recruits or pediatric cancer patients. If they are potential recruits, this could only deepen the issues surrounding Sean Miller."

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:18 pm

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:27 pm

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... g-benefits" target="_blank

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:29 pm

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:45 pm

Irish27 wrote:

And here's how that discussion should go.

"We'd like to talk to you about..."

"No thanks." Close door.

"But..."

"Get a warrant." Through the closed door.

Bordercat · Post by **Bordercat** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:15 am

Question:

Does anyone know if there is any possibility that any of our current players will be held out after the exhibition (like they are doing at Auburn)?

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:59 am

Bordercat wrote:Question:

Does anyone know if there is any possibility that any of our current players will be held out after the exhibition (like they are doing at Auburn)?

Rawlie could be one.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:07 am

Irish27 wrote:
Bordercat wrote:Question:

Does anyone know if there is any possibility that any of our current players will be held out after the exhibition (like they are doing at Auburn)?
Rawlie could be one.

Speculation only?

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:57 am

Irish27 wrote:
Bordercat wrote:Question:

Does anyone know if there is any possibility that any of our current players will be held out after the exhibition (like they are doing at Auburn)?
Rawlie could be one.

You apparently don't believe Miller because he has said he expects Rawle back by December do you really think he'd say that if he had ANY information or knew that Rawle had been named as receiving illegal benefits?

As a matter of fact Millers presser of a week ago suggested he expected a full roster active outside of injuries and team violations...that pretty much says he has no information on ANY of his current roster getting illegal benefits...he'd be absolutely insane to play someone who he knew had been named.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:04 am

CatFanOneMil wrote:
Irish27 wrote:
Bordercat wrote:Question:

Does anyone know if there is any possibility that any of our current players will be held out after the exhibition (like they are doing at Auburn)?
Rawlie could be one.
You apparently don't believe Miller because he has said he expects Rawle back by December do you really think he'd say that if he had ANY information or knew that Rawle had been named as receiving illegal benefits?

As a matter of fact Millers presser of a week ago suggested he expected a full roster active outside of injuries and team violations...that pretty much says he has no information on ANY of his current roster getting illegal benefits...he'd be absolutely insane to play someone who he knew had been named.

Maybe they faked the broken foot like they faked the moon landing and they faked Elvis's death? It's a deep state coverup of the real reason Rawle can't play.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:38 am

Win and vacate

Rawles back in dec early Jan.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:29 am

CalStateTempe wrote:Win and vacate

Rawles back in dec early Jan.

“Tis better to have won and vacated then to never have won at all.”

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:43 am

Yup.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:57 am

SCCats wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Win and vacate

Rawles back in dec early Jan.
“Tis better to have won and vacated then to never have won at all.”

Is it possible to retain Rob Gronkowski to respond to the potential for vacating?

https://youtu.be/UxvgJ7d34ac" target="_blank

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:03 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
SCCats wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Win and vacate

Rawles back in dec early Jan.
“Tis better to have won and vacated then to never have won at all.”
Is it possible to retain Rob Gronkowski to respond to the potential for vacating?

https://youtu.be/UxvgJ7d34ac" target="_blank

And when we win: "YO SOY FIESTA!"

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:10 am

Bowen's lawyer claims his dad took the $100K and Brian didnt know. Expects him to be reinstated. If that happens, we get Quinnerly back? ha

Can anyone think of a college players parents that took money and the NCAA suspended the player? Does age matter, 17 vs 18? Bowen was 18 when this occurred.

Found this from 2010. Sports Agent paid 30+ players including AZs Rob Waldrop. Waldrop claimed he met with him but didnt get any money

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/oct/1 ... l-players/" target="_blank

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:28 am

Jefe wrote:Bowen's lawyer claims his dad took the $100K and Brian didnt know. Expects him to be reinstated. If that happens, we get Quinnerly back? ha

Can anyone think of a college players parents that took money and the NCAA suspended the player? Does age matter, 17 vs 18? Bowen was 18 when this occurred.

Found this from 2010. Sports Agent paid 30+ players including AZs Rob Waldrop. Waldrop claimed he met with him but didnt get any money

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/oct/1 ... l-players/" target="_blank

Being cleared by the FBI and being cleared by the NCAA are two very, very different things. Bowen's dad can say what he wants, but I'd be stunned if he plays at Louisville.

I don't think anyone ever seriously believed the FBI had an interest in indicting players.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:34 am

Jefe wrote:Bowen's lawyer claims his dad took the $100K and Brian didnt know. Expects him to be reinstated. If that happens, we get Quinnerly back? ha

Can anyone think of a college players parents that took money and the NCAA suspended the player? Does age matter, 17 vs 18? Bowen was 18 when this occurred.

Found this from 2010. Sports Agent paid 30+ players including AZs Rob Waldrop. Waldrop claimed he met with him but didnt get any money

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/oct/1 ... l-players/" target="_blank

Was it JET who got suspended a few games because his dad received a plane ticket to come watch him play?

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:37 am

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... cbe.html#6" target="_blank

March 1995: UA basketball players Damon Stoudamire and Ben Davis were declared ineligible by the NCAA for receiving extra benefits.

Stoudamire missed the final game of the 1994-95 regular season because his father, Willie, had accepted a plane ticket from an agent. Davis was ruled ineligible for the final game of the regular season and the NCAA Tournament after the NCAA discovered he received at least $3,400 in gifts from a friend in New York City.

June 2000: Former UA basketball player Jason Terry was accused by the NCAA of accepting about $11,000 in loans from prospective player agents in San Francisco and New York City. Terry paid $45,363 to the UA, the amount of money Arizona received for a 1999 NCAA Tournament game against Oklahoma.

November 2000: Basketball center Loren Woods was declared ineligible for the first six games of the 2000-01 season for taking a loan of an unspecified amount from his former high school coach.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:44 am

Then there's the time Bil Walton got Richard Jefferson suspended.

http://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/bill-wa ... izona.html" target="_blank

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:03 am

Thanks Jefe, Stoudamire was the instance I was thinking of. I guess they better at skirting the rules now.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:47 pm

Claude Mills had money in transit to him...but I suppose he had plausible deniability that cash in an Emory envelope was on its way? Too bad we don't have cell phone/internet records to see how many times he tracked it.

But only certain programs pay players, kids. Remember that.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:23 pm

Indictments expected next week

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2742 ... ll-scandal" target="_blank

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:13 pm

Jefe wrote:Bowen's lawyer claims his dad took the $100K and Brian didnt know. Expects him to be reinstated. If that happens, we get Quinnerly back? ha

Can anyone think of a college players parents that took money and the NCAA suspended the player? Does age matter, 17 vs 18? Bowen was 18 when this occurred.

Found this from 2010. Sports Agent paid 30+ players including AZs Rob Waldrop. Waldrop claimed he met with him but didnt get any money

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/oct/1 ... l-players/" target="_blank

They're doing it wrong.

Bowen needs to claim he knows absolutely nothing about it in any sense.

Then when they go talking to his dad, his dad (over whom the NCAA has no jurisdiction) tells them to get a warrant.

For reference see: Newton, Cam (Auburn).

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:42 pm

Jefe wrote:Indictments expected next week

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2742 ... ll-scandal" target="_blank

"I'm so indicted. I just can't hide it." (h/t George Wallace)

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:56 pm

SCCats wrote:
Jefe wrote:Bowen's lawyer claims his dad took the $100K and Brian didnt know. Expects him to be reinstated. If that happens, we get Quinnerly back? ha

Can anyone think of a college players parents that took money and the NCAA suspended the player? Does age matter, 17 vs 18? Bowen was 18 when this occurred.

Found this from 2010. Sports Agent paid 30+ players including AZs Rob Waldrop. Waldrop claimed he met with him but didnt get any money

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/oct/1 ... l-players/" target="_blank
They're doing it wrong.

Bowen needs to claim he knows absolutely nothing about it in any sense.

Then when they go talking to his dad, his dad (over whom the NCAA has no jurisdiction) tells them to get a warrant.

For reference see: Newton, Cam (Auburn).

Bowen needs to start negotiating with overseas teams.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:36 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
SCCats wrote:
Jefe wrote:Bowen's lawyer claims his dad took the $100K and Brian didnt know. Expects him to be reinstated. If that happens, we get Quinnerly back? ha

Can anyone think of a college players parents that took money and the NCAA suspended the player? Does age matter, 17 vs 18? Bowen was 18 when this occurred.

Found this from 2010. Sports Agent paid 30+ players including AZs Rob Waldrop. Waldrop claimed he met with him but didnt get any money

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/oct/1 ... l-players/" target="_blank
They're doing it wrong.

Bowen needs to claim he knows absolutely nothing about it in any sense.

Then when they go talking to his dad, his dad (over whom the NCAA has no jurisdiction) tells them to get a warrant.

For reference see: Newton, Cam (Auburn).
Bowen needs to start negotiating with overseas teams.

If his story is "I know about the bribe but it was my dad" then yes, absolutely.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:49 pm

SCCats wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
SCCats wrote:
Jefe wrote:Bowen's lawyer claims his dad took the $100K and Brian didnt know. Expects him to be reinstated. If that happens, we get Quinnerly back? ha

Can anyone think of a college players parents that took money and the NCAA suspended the player? Does age matter, 17 vs 18? Bowen was 18 when this occurred.

Found this from 2010. Sports Agent paid 30+ players including AZs Rob Waldrop. Waldrop claimed he met with him but didnt get any money

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/oct/1 ... l-players/" target="_blank
They're doing it wrong.

Bowen needs to claim he knows absolutely nothing about it in any sense.

Then when they go talking to his dad, his dad (over whom the NCAA has no jurisdiction) tells them to get a warrant.

For reference see: Newton, Cam (Auburn).
Bowen needs to start negotiating with overseas teams.
If his story is "I know about the bribe but it was my dad" then yes, absolutely.

Nah, just period. Louisville would be stupid to let him play and automatically invalidate the entire season.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:56 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
SCCats wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
SCCats wrote:
Jefe wrote:Bowen's lawyer claims his dad took the $100K and Brian didnt know. Expects him to be reinstated. If that happens, we get Quinnerly back? ha

Can anyone think of a college players parents that took money and the NCAA suspended the player? Does age matter, 17 vs 18? Bowen was 18 when this occurred.

Found this from 2010. Sports Agent paid 30+ players including AZs Rob Waldrop. Waldrop claimed he met with him but didnt get any money

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/oct/1 ... l-players/" target="_blank
They're doing it wrong.

Bowen needs to claim he knows absolutely nothing about it in any sense.

Then when they go talking to his dad, his dad (over whom the NCAA has no jurisdiction) tells them to get a warrant.

For reference see: Newton, Cam (Auburn).
Bowen needs to start negotiating with overseas teams.
If his story is "I know about the bribe but it was my dad" then yes, absolutely.
Nah, just period. Louisville would be stupid to let him play and automatically invalidate the entire season.

I hear what you're saying, but...

...if they ( the NCAA) can't prove up the existence of a bribe, then the NCAA has no reason to not let you play.

Now Louisville has more reason to kinda want Bowen to be guilty and not be allowed to play (see 44 million reasons; see also Rick Pition lawsuit), but if we are just talking about the NCAA the Bowens would be wise to not help the NCAA prove up the existence of a bribe and then threaten the NCAA for lost draft position if Brian isn't allowed to play.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:31 pm

Alabama athletic director Greg Byrne announced just prior to tipoff that the Crimson Tide are holding out heralded freshman point guard Collin Sexton until he receives clearance to play from the NCAA.
“The NCAA informed us late this afternoon that Colin Sexton has not had his eligibility reinstated by the NCAA,” Byrne said in a statement. “We don’t have any further information at this time, but we will continue to cooperate with the NCAA and work toward a resolution that results in Colin’s timely reinstatement. While we are disappointed, the right decision was to err on the side of caution for tonight’s exhibition game.”

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:36 pm

I think I posted about 40 pages back that Bama firing their recruiting coordinator the same year Sexon showed up was probably bad news for the Tide.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:06 am

Anybody know Ron Bell? I figure it's Odogg, since he and Josh are so close.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... ed-friend/" target="_blank

Ron Bell, an Arizona resident and longtime friend of Georgia Tech coach Josh Pastner, has told CBS Sports he's the person who provided benefits in violation of NCAA rules to Georgia Tech basketball players Josh Okogie and Tadric Jackson.

Georgia Tech announced last Thursday that it self-reported the violations to the NCAA and suspended both players indefinitely, but it did not, at the time, identify Bell. It instead only acknowledged that the same person was responsible for all violations, and that he was neither a booster nor a Georgia Tech employee.

Connected with Josh in Tucson. Stayed close when he left.

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:35 am

gumby wrote:Anybody know Ron Bell? I figure it's Odogg, since he and Josh are so close.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... ed-friend/" target="_blank

Ron Bell, an Arizona resident and longtime friend of Georgia Tech coach Josh Pastner, has told CBS Sports he's the person who provided benefits in violation of NCAA rules to Georgia Tech basketball players Josh Okogie and Tadric Jackson.

Georgia Tech announced last Thursday that it self-reported the violations to the NCAA and suspended both players indefinitely, but it did not, at the time, identify Bell. It instead only acknowledged that the same person was responsible for all violations, and that he was neither a booster nor a Georgia Tech employee.
Connected with Josh in Tucson. Stayed close when he left.

Another Gary Parrish article, why does he always want to see anything connected to UA in a bad light?

The dude in the article (Bell) is whacko on several levels, (does not mean he has no evidence) he wants to expose Pastner because Josh did not call him on his birthday...wtf???
Drug addicts should not be allowed to be near your program...thats just common sense.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:47 am

gumby wrote:Anybody know Ron Bell? I figure it's Odogg, since he and Josh are so close.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... ed-friend/" target="_blank

Ron Bell, an Arizona resident and longtime friend of Georgia Tech coach Josh Pastner, has told CBS Sports he's the person who provided benefits in violation of NCAA rules to Georgia Tech basketball players Josh Okogie and Tadric Jackson.

Georgia Tech announced last Thursday that it self-reported the violations to the NCAA and suspended both players indefinitely, but it did not, at the time, identify Bell. It instead only acknowledged that the same person was responsible for all violations, and that he was neither a booster nor a Georgia Tech employee.
Connected with Josh in Tucson. Stayed close when he left.

If you want to simply call me a felon and drug addict there’s an easier way to do it, Gumby. I wouldn’t even be offended.

But to imply that I am, or was at some point, friends with Joshy is highly offensive.

I await your apology.

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:50 am

Talked to a friend tied to an athletic department... he was expecting new indictments yesterday. Felt like the church shooting in texas might have delayed it. Could be by end of week.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:26 am

Olsondogg wrote:
gumby wrote:Anybody know Ron Bell? I figure it's Odogg, since he and Josh are so close.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... ed-friend/" target="_blank

Ron Bell, an Arizona resident and longtime friend of Georgia Tech coach Josh Pastner, has told CBS Sports he's the person who provided benefits in violation of NCAA rules to Georgia Tech basketball players Josh Okogie and Tadric Jackson.

Georgia Tech announced last Thursday that it self-reported the violations to the NCAA and suspended both players indefinitely, but it did not, at the time, identify Bell. It instead only acknowledged that the same person was responsible for all violations, and that he was neither a booster nor a Georgia Tech employee.
Connected with Josh in Tucson. Stayed close when he left.

If you want to simply call me a felon and drug addict there’s an easier way to do it, Gumby. I wouldn’t even be offended.

But to imply that I am, or was at some point, friends with Joshy is highly offensive.

I await your apology.

I truly went too far. I throw myself on the mercy of the Odogg.

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:23 pm

baycat93 wrote:Talked to a friend tied to an athletic department... he was expecting new indictments yesterday. Felt like the church shooting in texas might have delayed it. Could be by end of week.

Tell us more.

We want names, SSN's, addresses, bank accounts, everything.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:44 pm

Statfreak77 wrote:
baycat93 wrote:Talked to a friend tied to an athletic department... he was expecting new indictments yesterday. Felt like the church shooting in texas might have delayed it. Could be by end of week.
Tell us more.

We want names, SSN's, addresses, bank accounts, everything.

Shoe size! Crucial.

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:39 pm

Statfreak77 wrote:
baycat93 wrote:Talked to a friend tied to an athletic department... he was expecting new indictments yesterday. Felt like the church shooting in texas might have delayed it. Could be by end of week.
Tell us more.

We want names, SSN's, addresses, bank accounts, everything.

Believe me I wanted to dig!!! He is pretty connected, and I am sure holding back. Basically just said that was what was circulating among fellow athletic departments. I am just really confirming the feeling out there that more is coming for CBB.

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