Bribery Scandal - FBI Probe - Book Richardson Involved

ProfessorFate · Post by **ProfessorFate** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:50 pm

Brandon Williams unlikely to sign during the fall period.

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... 4f4e4.html

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:47 pm

Smart.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:07 pm

Like I said earlier, I don't know why any recruit would sign with anyone right now. Verbal commitment, sure, but I don't know why they would ever do more. With the FBI specter looming over so many programs, open options are good for players.

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:15 pm

I would like Russ Smith's legal expertise on shoplifting in China

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:17 pm

UofAlum05 wrote:I would like Russ Smith's legal expertise on shoplifting in China

I feel comfortable saying that he assumes Joe Pasternack was involved to some extent. It's the only logical conclusion.

A1RZONA · Post by **A1RZONA** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:36 pm

UofAlum05 wrote:I would like Russ Smith's legal expertise on shoplifting in China

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:42 pm

UofAlum05 wrote:I would like Russ Smith's legal expertise on shoplifting in China

Priceless!

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:46 pm

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:47 pm

gumby wrote:

He's singing

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:48 pm

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:49 pm

"Cooperating"

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:52 pm

Previous article about deal in the works.

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... &id=201408" target="_blank

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:59 pm

ProfessorFate wrote:Brandon Williams unlikely to sign during the fall period.

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... 4f4e4.html

Chris Wright, Williams’ father, said his son remains solidly committed to the Wildcats but is “99 percent” likely to wait until the spring period.

“We’re gonna have a call tonight to talk about this but as of right now, I’m gonna say no,” Wright said Tuesday. “It looks like it will probably be a spring decision. We’re still 100 percent Arizona and not looking at other schools but still looking at it day by day. If Sean Miller gets through this investigation, there’s a good chance he’ll sign.”

Good news. Here's hoping.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:02 pm

So is book throwing us under bus or taking about the network? What info does he have to offer?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:04 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:So is book throwing us under bus or taking about the network? What info does he have to offer?

What does the FBI want?

That is the issue.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:07 pm

Money, bigger fish, financial illegalities by a global corporation?

prh · Post by **prh** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:16 pm

Feds aren't interested in us

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:42 pm

UofAlum05 wrote:I would like Russ Smith's legal expertise on shoplifting in China

Hes currently scouring a Chinese iRC legal chat room, collecting everyones opinions on the issue so he can present his case on this forum.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:50 pm

Yep, they could care less about a non profit educational institution. They want the corporate greed.

The smart college bball fan knows the shoe companies are the pumps here and have ruined things. Doesn't matter where the top 20 kid was going as he was getting paid by someone.

None of those guys will do time as long as they play ball with the feds. Can't imagine Book has anything on Miller, at least anything the feds would value

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:02 pm

And when the NCAA comes, we should take SCCs advice and UNCs example and tell them to get a warrent.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:50 pm

Good Lord I hate this thread!!! I realize it’s important but it’s, without a doubt, the most depressing thread in this history of Arizona Hoops.

Everyday I don’t see a new post here is a good day so far UNTIL we hear Miller is all clear and it’s all over. BTFD y’all.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:52 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:And when the NCAA comes, we should take SCCs advice and UNCs example and tell them to get a warrent.

Win and vacate! I'm with you CST.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:07 pm

UofAlum05 wrote:I would like Russ Smith's legal expertise on shoplifting in China

If UCLA would just pay their players they wouldn't need to resort to shoplifting.

legallykenny · Post by **legallykenny** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:08 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:And when the NCAA comes, we should take SCCs advice and UNCs example and tell them to get a warrent.

UNC? Fuck that, let's follow Auburn's lead. Did they ever deny they paid Cam Newton's dad?
Or do those rules only apply to SEC football?

In the immortal words of some anonymous SEC football bagman: "Go tell the NCAA you think we're cheating because this kid's uncle bought him a used Tahoe in cash, you racist."

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:23 am

Shareef O'Neal not signing until spring:

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/11/8/16 ... dcats-fall" target="_blank

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:52 am

dmjcat wrote:Shareef O'Neal not signing until spring:

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/11/8/16 ... dcats-fall" target="_blank

This doesn't sound like good news. So we sign no one in Fall, let all the grubby other programs negative recruit Williams and Shareef for a few months. Ugh

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:01 am

Bosy Billups wrote:
dmjcat wrote:Shareef O'Neal not signing until spring:

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/11/8/16 ... dcats-fall" target="_blank
This doesn't sound like good news. So we sign no one in Fall, let all the grubby other programs negative recruit Williams and Shareef for a few months. Ugh

I don't know what else anyone would expect at this point.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:01 am

What do you mean by "let"? Is there something we should do? I think it's crazy for any kid to sign with any school now.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:07 am

gumby wrote:What do you mean by "let"? Is there something we should do? I think it's crazy for any kid to sign with any school now.

We could always threaten to kidnap his family. One problem with that is that it's hard to strongarm a 7'1, 425 pound ex pro athlete. Then there's morality...

Other than that, yeah, we have to let the decisions happen.

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:47 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Bosy Billups wrote:
dmjcat wrote:Shareef O'Neal not signing until spring:

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/11/8/16 ... dcats-fall" target="_blank
This doesn't sound like good news. So we sign no one in Fall, let all the grubby other programs negative recruit Williams and Shareef for a few months. Ugh
I don't know what else anyone would expect at this point.

USC seems to be closing some recruits.

This is what's hurts the most, a dynasty was in the making...

Josh Gershon:

As a program I think Louisville obviously was hit the hardest. From a 2018 recruiting class perspective, I’ll go with Arizona.

The Wildcats already had a pair of Top 40 commitments in Brandon Williams and Shareef O’Neal but were right there with number one 2018 prospect R.J. Barrett, heavy favorites for Scout’s 2nd ranked prospect in Bol Bol and arguably led for Top 10 prospect Nassir Little.

With Arizona losing a good percentage of its roster after this season, the 2018 class was extremely important and UA went from signing potentially the top group in the country to now the staff being in a position where it will likely need to rely on grad transfers in the spring in order to fill out a roster for next year.

All indications are that Arizona will be set up for a potential Final Four run in 2017-18, but it could take quite some time for the program to return to its current level of talent.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:15 am

Bosy Billups wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Bosy Billups wrote:
dmjcat wrote:Shareef O'Neal not signing until spring:

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/11/8/16 ... dcats-fall" target="_blank
This doesn't sound like good news. So we sign no one in Fall, let all the grubby other programs negative recruit Williams and Shareef for a few months. Ugh
I don't know what else anyone would expect at this point.
USC seems to be closing some recruits.

This is what's hurts the most, a dynasty was in the making...

Josh Gershon:

As a program I think Louisville obviously was hit the hardest. From a 2018 recruiting class perspective, I’ll go with Arizona.

The Wildcats already had a pair of Top 40 commitments in Brandon Williams and Shareef O’Neal but were right there with number one 2018 prospect R.J. Barrett, heavy favorites for Scout’s 2nd ranked prospect in Bol Bol and arguably led for Top 10 prospect Nassir Little.

With Arizona losing a good percentage of its roster after this season, the 2018 class was extremely important and UA went from signing potentially the top group in the country to now the staff being in a position where it will likely need to rely on grad transfers in the spring in order to fill out a roster for next year.

All indications are that Arizona will be set up for a potential Final Four run in 2017-18, but it could take quite some time for the program to return to its current level of talent.

SC lost a recruit and got a verbal from Elijah Weaver. A verbal is not binding, and we have verbals on Shareef and Brandon.

I would take bets that if the NCAA heat hits SC hard, Weaver's not going to regard that verbal as 100%.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:17 am

gumby wrote:

Hansen deleted it?

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:21 am

Trier actin' a fool on social media last night. Sell a pair or two of shoes

I need new beats headphones and a nintendo switch but Im broke right now. College sucks. Why should a student athlete who plays at an elite college have to pay rent out of their own monthly scholarship check when we barely get any money in the first place. But them stands be filled when we hooping tho and them tickets going for a lot of pop. Nevermind me tho Im just ranting. Word to CJ, college really is a scam and hustle.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:24 am

Jefe wrote:
gumby wrote:
Hansen deleted it?

If it's not there, that would be my guess.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:25 am

what did it say?

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:31 am

Jefe wrote:Trier actin' a fool on social media last night. Sell a pair or two of shoes

I need new beats headphones and a nintendo switch but Im broke right now. College sucks. Why should a student athlete who plays at an elite college have to pay rent out of their own monthly scholarship check when we barely get any money in the first place. But them stands be filled when we hooping tho and them tickets going for a lot of pop. Nevermind me tho Im just ranting. Word to CJ, college really is a scam and hustle.

This was a big complaint during the Great Recession, too. Peeps needed headphones and video games, and couldn't afford them.

When I was kid, the switch on my electric football game broke. I took it apart, and had to touch the two wires together. Got jolted a few times, but I stayed in the game.

P.S. Get off the lawn!

prh · Post by **prh** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:40 am

Jefe wrote:Trier actin' a fool on social media last night. Sell a pair or two of shoes

I need new beats headphones and a nintendo switch but Im broke right now. College sucks. Why should a student athlete who plays at an elite college have to pay rent out of their own monthly scholarship check when we barely get any money in the first place. But them stands be filled when we hooping tho and them tickets going for a lot of pop. Nevermind me tho Im just ranting. Word to CJ, college really is a scam and hustle.

Great defense against accusations of paying players: have our guys talk about being broke on social media!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:53 am

gumby wrote:
Jefe wrote:Trier actin' a fool on social media last night. Sell a pair or two of shoes

I need new beats headphones and a nintendo switch but Im broke right now. College sucks. Why should a student athlete who plays at an elite college have to pay rent out of their own monthly scholarship check when we barely get any money in the first place. But them stands be filled when we hooping tho and them tickets going for a lot of pop. Nevermind me tho Im just ranting. Word to CJ, college really is a scam and hustle.
This was a big complaint during the Great Recession, too. Peeps needed headphones and video games, and couldn't afford them.

When I was kid, the switch on my electric football game broke. I took it apart, and had to touch the two wires together. Got jolted a few times, but I stayed in the game.

P.S. Get off the lawn!

The big issue is players know Sean Miller gets paid millions and Arizona makes around 9-10 mil in profit off basketball.

Yeah, what Trier is talking about is not a life necessity. But, when millions are flying around because of what Trier does on the court...I don't blame him. It cuts back to what I was posting earlier. The entire issue here is driven by the basic tension between the big money driving college athletics and the rules that attempt to separate the players from that money.

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:59 am

Jefe wrote:what did it say?

Yeah, what did it say???

Bear Down Vegas · Post by **Bear Down Vegas** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:08 pm

I would guess the same reason it was deleted is similar to why that question isn't being answered. No knowledge though...I can't stand Hansen.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:24 pm

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... -practices" target="_blank

Bob Knight criticizes John Wooden over UCLA recruiting practices

Knight ripped UCLA for allowing booster Sam Gilbert to violate NCAA rules while he attempted to recruit players to the school.

Saying, "I've never been a Wooden fan," former Indiana coach Bob Knight criticized Hall of Fame UCLA coach John Wooden over the Bruins' recruiting practices during their historic run.

"I have a lot of respect for Wooden as a coach, how he coached. He was a good coach," Knight said in an interview on "Undeniable with Joe Buck" that will air Wednesday (8 p.m. ET, Audience). "But from then on, and I don't mind saying it, I don't respect Wooden, because he allowed Sam Gilbert to do whatever it took to recruit kids.

"And one time he told me, he said, 'I just didn't know how to deal with Sam Gilbert.' And I'm saying to myself, 'I damn sure could have dealt with him.'"

In 1981, UCLA received a one-year postseason ban and had its 1980 national championship game appearance vacated over Gilbert's actions, though the NCAA violations cited were not during the Wooden era.

"Personally, I liked John, as a person, but it isn't just John, it's a whole UCLA approach to recruiting," Knight said. "I think John was called in and told he didn't have to worry about recruiting, that they had people that would take care of that for him."

Knight, a former ESPN analyst, and the Hoosiers did not endure NCAA violations during his tumultuous tenure at the university, but Indiana did receive three years of probation in November 2008 for more than 100 impermissible phone calls made by former coach Kelvin Sampson.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:12 pm

Jefe wrote:
gumby wrote:
Hansen deleted it?

That's the whole thing with a link to that Wetzel tweet.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:22 pm

I have a general true/false question.

T/F: The most readily available means of lessening the severerity of NCAA consequences is to win a national championship. Reason: the NCAA absolutely hates the pr hit they have to take in labeling a national championship team cheaters.

This link has a good summary of the NCAA's past position on the issue:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basket ... k035kusxys" target="_blank

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:20 pm

Bear Down Vegas wrote:I would guess the same reason it was deleted is similar to why that question isn't being answered. No knowledge though...I can't stand Hansen.

What question?

I am confused.

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:37 pm

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:00 pm

UofAlum05 wrote:

but he passed a polygraph!

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:59 pm

ProfessorFate wrote:Brandon Williams unlikely to sign during the fall period.

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... 4f4e4.html

He has a tweet up saying he is signing something on Friday. So confused.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:12 pm

UofAlum05 wrote:

Yeah, but his involvement in the scheme was less than 15 seconds long, unsatisfying and largely wound up on the floor anyways.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:32 pm

Never mind.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:46 pm

Cool. (based on the circumstances)

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/recruitin ... uard-class" target="_blank

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