let's talk '18

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:05 am

SteveKerrsStroke wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:It also has not been said, although it very well could be, that BR is surrounded by a bunch of money hungry, delusional fools that Kobi was surrounded by; whether that be his choice or not, I don't know.
This is sarcasm, right?

No - and I don't understand the difficulty in understanding what I wrote...

legallykenny · Post by **legallykenny** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:32 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
SteveKerrsStroke wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:It also has not been said, although it very well could be, that BR is surrounded by a bunch of money hungry, delusional fools that Kobi was surrounded by; whether that be his choice or not, I don't know.
This is sarcasm, right?
I think he might mean Randolph is not surrounded by those guys like Kobi. It makes more sense that way, although I have a hard time reading it.
Whatever he's trying to say, Randolph does not remotely have the same issue that Kobi had. You will not see him mope and fully disappear once Rawle returns that is for certain. With that being said one issue Randolph does have that Kobi did not is he's already 20 years old as a freshman. Age of course has an impact on players' decisions on whether to return or not. In the end I fully expect Randolph to declare after this season to gauge his draft status (as he should) and if he's advised that he is indeed a 1st rounder that is likely good enough for him to go primarily due to his age. That is my opinion btw, no inside info there. Just with the uncertainty Arizona is facing after this season mixed with his age I think he's a shoe in to go IF he gets a 1st round grade, which based on his measureables, athleticism, and current offensive game is certainly a plausible scenario.

Setting aside the Book issues, there's a serious culture problem in this program if we expect guys ranked in the 35-40 range, who will not even be starting most games when our full roster is available, are looking to be one-and-dones.

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:03 am

legallykenny wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
SteveKerrsStroke wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:It also has not been said, although it very well could be, that BR is surrounded by a bunch of money hungry, delusional fools that Kobi was surrounded by; whether that be his choice or not, I don't know.
This is sarcasm, right?
I think he might mean Randolph is not surrounded by those guys like Kobi. It makes more sense that way, although I have a hard time reading it.
Whatever he's trying to say, Randolph does not remotely have the same issue that Kobi had. You will not see him mope and fully disappear once Rawle returns that is for certain. With that being said one issue Randolph does have that Kobi did not is he's already 20 years old as a freshman. Age of course has an impact on players' decisions on whether to return or not. In the end I fully expect Randolph to declare after this season to gauge his draft status (as he should) and if he's advised that he is indeed a 1st rounder that is likely good enough for him to go primarily due to his age. That is my opinion btw, no inside info there. Just with the uncertainty Arizona is facing after this season mixed with his age I think he's a shoe in to go IF he gets a 1st round grade, which based on his measureables, athleticism, and current offensive game is certainly a plausible scenario.
Setting aside the Book issues, there's a serious culture problem in this program if we expect guys ranked in the 35-40 range, who will not even be starting most games when our full roster is available, are looking to be one-and-dones.

This is hardly a culture problem with this program...it's a culture problem with college basketball.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:07 am

Statfreak77 wrote:
SteveKerrsStroke wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:It also has not been said, although it very well could be, that BR is surrounded by a bunch of money hungry, delusional fools that Kobi was surrounded by; whether that be his choice or not, I don't know.
This is sarcasm, right?
No - and I don't understand the difficulty in understanding what I wrote...

Maybe try again, because I don't have an easy time understanding.

Starting with "has not been said" then saying it could be does not exactly set a reader on a great path and winding up with "whether that be his choice or not" then saying you don't know completes the WTF cycle.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:55 am

legallykenny wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
SteveKerrsStroke wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:It also has not been said, although it very well could be, that BR is surrounded by a bunch of money hungry, delusional fools that Kobi was surrounded by; whether that be his choice or not, I don't know.
This is sarcasm, right?
I think he might mean Randolph is not surrounded by those guys like Kobi. It makes more sense that way, although I have a hard time reading it.
Whatever he's trying to say, Randolph does not remotely have the same issue that Kobi had. You will not see him mope and fully disappear once Rawle returns that is for certain. With that being said one issue Randolph does have that Kobi did not is he's already 20 years old as a freshman. Age of course has an impact on players' decisions on whether to return or not. In the end I fully expect Randolph to declare after this season to gauge his draft status (as he should) and if he's advised that he is indeed a 1st rounder that is likely good enough for him to go primarily due to his age. That is my opinion btw, no inside info there. Just with the uncertainty Arizona is facing after this season mixed with his age I think he's a shoe in to go IF he gets a 1st round grade, which based on his measureables, athleticism, and current offensive game is certainly a plausible scenario.
Setting aside the Book issues, there's a serious culture problem in this program if we expect guys ranked in the 35-40 range, who will not even be starting most games when our full roster is available, are looking to be one-and-dones.

He's 20 years old, if he's given a 1st round promise due to his measureables and abilities, he'd be pretty silly to pass up on that. That's not an Arizona culture issue, that's just basketball business today. If he doesn't have a 1st round promise then yes he'd be silly to go as a 2nd rounder when he can boost his stock with one more year easily.

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:03 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:
SteveKerrsStroke wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:It also has not been said, although it very well could be, that BR is surrounded by a bunch of money hungry, delusional fools that Kobi was surrounded by; whether that be his choice or not, I don't know.
This is sarcasm, right?
No - and I don't understand the difficulty in understanding what I wrote...
Maybe try again, because I don't have an easy time understanding.

Starting with "has not been said" then saying it could be does not exactly set a reader on a great path and winding up with "whether that be his choice or not" then saying you don't know completes the WTF cycle.

Simple minds are cute.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:10 pm

Statfreak77 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:
SteveKerrsStroke wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:It also has not been said, although it very well could be, that BR is surrounded by a bunch of money hungry, delusional fools that Kobi was surrounded by; whether that be his choice or not, I don't know.
This is sarcasm, right?
No - and I don't understand the difficulty in understanding what I wrote...
Maybe try again, because I don't have an easy time understanding.

Starting with "has not been said" then saying it could be does not exactly set a reader on a great path and winding up with "whether that be his choice or not" then saying you don't know completes the WTF cycle.
Simple minds are cute.

I prefer to be called sexy.

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:16 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:It also has not been said, although it very well could be, that BR is surrounded by a bunch of money hungry, delusional fools that Kobi was surrounded by; whether that be his choice or not, I don't know.
No - and I don't understand the difficulty in understanding what I wrote...
Maybe try again, because I don't have an easy time understanding.

Starting with "has not been said" then saying it could be does not exactly set a reader on a great path and winding up with "whether that be his choice or not" then saying you don't know completes the WTF cycle.
Simple minds are cute.
I prefer to be called sexy.

Sexy Spaceman Spiff - I like it.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:19 am

Just a friendly reminder that Arizona should be signing this class today if not for Book's stupidity:

Jahvon Quinerly
Brandon Williams
Nassir Little
Shareef O'Neal
Bol Bol

Just thought I'd give us all a reason to enjoy NLI day.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:26 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Just a friendly reminder that Arizona should be signing this class today if not for Book's stupidity:

Jahvon Quinerly
Brandon Williams
Nassir Little
Shareef O'Neal
Bol Bol

Just thought I'd give us all a reason to enjoy NLI day.

Look at the bright side. We saved a bundle.

Is it too soon for those jokes?

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:52 am

Are we more or less screwed with landing any other elite players from the '18 class? Has that ship sailed? Or might we recover and pull a couple in the spring? Seems that's happened a few times.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:56 am

Beachcat97 wrote:Are we more or less screwed with landing any other elite players from the '18 class? Has that ship sailed? Or might we recover and pull a couple in the spring? Seems that's happened a few times.

This question is more or less fundamentally impossible to answer to any certainty right now. Do other programs get implicated in the ongoing investigation and have recruits bail on verbals? Does our position get clearer/improve?

No one knows those answers, and they drive a whole, whole lot.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:57 am

What the Shittu

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:14 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Are we more or less screwed with landing any other elite players from the '18 class? Has that ship sailed? Or might we recover and pull a couple in the spring? Seems that's happened a few times.

I mean is there any chance for 100% clarity on our situation by February 7th? If not then no the ship has sailed on anybody even remotely elite from the '18 class. Arizona is going to have a hell of a challenge just getting Williams & O'Neal to end up on campus.

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:32 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Are we more or less screwed with landing any other elite players from the '18 class? Has that ship sailed? Or might we recover and pull a couple in the spring? Seems that's happened a few times.
I mean is there any chance for 100% clarity on our situation by February 7th? If not then no the ship has sailed on anybody even remotely elite from the '18 class. Arizona is going to have a hell of a challenge just getting Williams & O'Neal to end up on campus.

The only silver lining I have in all of this is that it has hyper-focused me on this season. WIN! (and vacate if necessary). '18 and beyond will take care of itself either way. There is so much uncertainty with all of this who knows how it will effect other schools and players. More coach's could be fired and kids let out of LOI's. Hell LOI's might be determined to be illegal and non-binding across the NCAA.

We are a long long way from mid-october 2018.

Win now. Keep CSM. Figure it out.

Win NOW

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:06 pm

If Miller finally breaks through this year and gets to the FF, we're going to recapture the momentum we've lost recently, especially if no further evidence of wrongdoing is discovered in the coming months. For now, Miller is squeaky clean, regardless of what Book did. This is all to say that it won't surprise me if our '18 class ends up in the top 5 nationally.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:11 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:If Miller finally breaks through this year and gets to the FF, we're going to recapture the momentum we've lost recently, especially if no further evidence of wrongdoing is discovered in the coming months. For now, Miller is squeaky clean, regardless of what Book did. This is all to say that it won't surprise me if our '18 class ends up in the top 5 nationally.

Possible sanctions would still be a barrier in recruiting. Lots to sort out through regardless of Miller's status (which I have zero reason to believe is in any danger).

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:18 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If Miller finally breaks through this year and gets to the FF, we're going to recapture the momentum we've lost recently, especially if no further evidence of wrongdoing is discovered in the coming months. For now, Miller is squeaky clean, regardless of what Book did. This is all to say that it won't surprise me if our '18 class ends up in the top 5 nationally.
Possible sanctions would still be a barrier in recruiting. Lots to sort out through regardless of Miller's status (which I have zero reason to believe is in any danger).

I get that, but I look at UNC and see that the NCAA put their business interests ahead of any ethical principle. I expect the same will happen with AZ. Is it right? Maybe not. But this is a systemic problem, not an Arizona problem.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:24 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If Miller finally breaks through this year and gets to the FF, we're going to recapture the momentum we've lost recently, especially if no further evidence of wrongdoing is discovered in the coming months. For now, Miller is squeaky clean, regardless of what Book did. This is all to say that it won't surprise me if our '18 class ends up in the top 5 nationally.
Possible sanctions would still be a barrier in recruiting. Lots to sort out through regardless of Miller's status (which I have zero reason to believe is in any danger).

There are so many unknowns. If we have possible sanctions out there, that is obviously bad. But is there a next round of FBI charges? Does it ensnare a team we are competing for a recruit with?

Those are the giant questions. Where we stand with recruits isn't just a question of the outcome for us. It's anyone else dragged into the mud, then a comparison.

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:15 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Just a friendly reminder that Arizona should be signing this class today if not for Book's stupidity:

Jahvon Quinerly
Brandon Williams
Nassir Little
Shareef O'Neal
Bol Bol

Just thought I'd give us all a reason to enjoy NLI day.

Don’t forget Shittu too. Fuck you Book!

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:23 pm

PennZona20 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Just a friendly reminder that Arizona should be signing this class today if not for Book's stupidity:

Jahvon Quinerly
Brandon Williams
Nassir Little
Shareef O'Neal
Bol Bol

Just thought I'd give us all a reason to enjoy NLI day.
Don’t forget Shittu too. Fuck you Book!

With Little's commitment that would've eliminated Shittu for us. Either way I agree with your last sentence.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:24 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If Miller finally breaks through this year and gets to the FF, we're going to recapture the momentum we've lost recently, especially if no further evidence of wrongdoing is discovered in the coming months. For now, Miller is squeaky clean, regardless of what Book did. This is all to say that it won't surprise me if our '18 class ends up in the top 5 nationally.
Possible sanctions would still be a barrier in recruiting. Lots to sort out through regardless of Miller's status (which I have zero reason to believe is in any danger).
I get that, but I look at UNC and see that the NCAA put their business interests ahead of any ethical principle. I expect the same will happen with AZ. Is it right? Maybe not. But this is a systemic problem, not an Arizona problem.

The UNC issue and Arizona issue are not even remotely related. The UNC issue was unwalked ground for the NCAA, while the Arizona issue has been handled and dealt with before.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:42 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If Miller finally breaks through this year and gets to the FF, we're going to recapture the momentum we've lost recently, especially if no further evidence of wrongdoing is discovered in the coming months. For now, Miller is squeaky clean, regardless of what Book did. This is all to say that it won't surprise me if our '18 class ends up in the top 5 nationally.
Possible sanctions would still be a barrier in recruiting. Lots to sort out through regardless of Miller's status (which I have zero reason to believe is in any danger).
I get that, but I look at UNC and see that the NCAA put their business interests ahead of any ethical principle. I expect the same will happen with AZ. Is it right? Maybe not. But this is a systemic problem, not an Arizona problem.
The UNC issue and Arizona issue are not even remotely related. The UNC issue was unwalked ground for the NCAA, while the Arizona issue has been handled and dealt with before.

Maybe so, but what AZ and UNC share is that they're both huge revenue generators. We can entertain wistful notions of "amateurism," of college athletics untainted by business interests, but that's silly. All NCAA sanctions are considered alongside economic impact. It's foolish to think otherwise.

Again, while I don't defend paying players or any other rule Book (or other coaches) broke, this FBI sting involved multiple programs, players, and coaches. This isn't a saving grace for AZ, but it is evidence of this being a widespread systemic problem. All things considered, I don't think we're going to face a major penalty. "Major penalty" being a multi-year postseason ban and a scholarship reduction.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:44 pm

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:47 pm

Main Event wrote:

Signing scholarship papers and not a NLI, which is what every recruit should do. Good on him and his folks.

A1RZONA · Post by **A1RZONA** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:50 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Main Event wrote:
Such a troll. I love this kid, he shall have a statue built for him after this.

kid is already a legend

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:01 pm

A1RZONA wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Main Event wrote:
Such a troll. I love this kid, he shall have a statue built for him after this.
kid is already a legend

Seriously, if he and Shareef suit up for the Cats next year, they will be showered with so much love it will be ridiculous. Talk about most favored nation status. Really, anyone on the squad next year will have the fanbase's unqualified loyalty and admiration.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:23 pm

Why is BR so old as a freshman?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:29 pm

Postmaster wrote:Why is BR so old as a freshman?

I'm unsure of the exact reason, but sometimes kids enroll later for one reason or another and sometimes kids are held back a year specifically for basketball purposes. Being older, bigger, stronger than your opponents is obviously an edge that works in players' favors. Another option is he purposely spent a 5th year in HS to go to a prep school and boost his stock/better his game. Arizona has had numerous guys who have spent 5 years in high school.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:07 pm

Postmaster wrote:Why is BR so old as a freshman?

I'm guessing you're just curious but it shouldn't matter. He could be 35 for all I care. We need him to help bring home a natty.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:25 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Main Event wrote:
Signing scholarship papers and not a NLI, which is what every recruit should do. Good on him and his folks.

0

Exactly, if my kid was an elite athlete I would have him just do that.

Scholie papers only commits the school, not the player. He could walk the day before school starts and keep his full eligibility.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:48 pm

Merkin wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Main Event wrote:
Signing scholarship papers and not a NLI, which is what every recruit should do. Good on him and his folks.
0

Exactly, if my kid was an elite athlete I would have him just do that.

Scholie papers only commits the school, not the player. He could walk the day before school starts and keep his full eligibility.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:59 pm

Merkin wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Main Event wrote:
Signing scholarship papers and not a NLI, which is what every recruit should do. Good on him and his folks.
0

Exactly, if my kid was an elite athlete I would have him just do that.

Scholie papers only commits the school, not the player. He could walk the day before school starts and keep his full eligibility.

Yeah, it's the smart move for a player. Players have signed an NLI, then the coach leaves and they're still bound to the school despite the whole staff being gone. There are a lot of things that can change.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:41 pm

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:48 pm

RJ Barrett to Duke aye

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:50 pm

Bol to Oregon

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:34 pm

Someone committing tomorrow? Miller wants to wait until tomorrow to comment on recruiting. Starts at 51 seconds

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:44 pm

Jefe wrote:Someone committing tomorrow? Miller wants to wait until tomorrow to comment on recruiting. Starts at 51 seconds

Probably just a big Silverchair fan.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:52 pm

Jefe wrote:Someone committing tomorrow? Miller wants to wait until tomorrow to comment on recruiting. Starts at 51 seconds

Today is the final day of the signing period. My guess is he's hoping to get O'Neal to sign scholarship papers by the end of the day, so he can talk about him and Williams.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:20 pm

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:24 pm

NYCat wrote:

Sweet. Maybe I'm blindly optimistic, but we got as far as we reasonably could in this period. Clear some of the dark cloud of the allegations by spring, maybe add and maybe 18-19 isn't a complete loss.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:52 pm

Why is Shareef filing for financial aid? Has Shaq blown all his money already?

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:07 pm

Alieberman wrote:Why is Shareef filing for financial aid? Has Shaq blown all his money already?

That arrangement ties the school to you, but not you to the school.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:17 pm

Shareef will be a great Cat. He's a smart, classy kid and also remained steadfast in his commitment despite possible sanctions. Very happy to have him in the fold. Bear Down!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:14 pm

Alieberman wrote:Why is Shareef filing for financial aid? Has Shaq blown all his money already?

Have you seen Shaq's weight lately? Food doesn't pay for itself.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:14 pm

So do we know if bol bol signed with Oregon? With O'Neal signing his papers does this give us any chance at getting back in with Bol Bol. If any body can help Arizona it O'Neal with Bol Bol as there are super close!

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:19 pm

3goggles wrote:So do we know if bol bol signed with Oregon? With O'Neal signing his papers does this give us any chance at getting back in with Bol Bol. If any body can help Arizona it O'Neal with Bol Bol as there are super close!

As has been the case in recent years, the recruiting chase is likely to carry on well into spring, perhaps into summer.

One thing you can count on: AZ is going to be treading very carefully. Any recruit with the slightest whiff of impropriety is probably out. No idea what's up with Bol. Sounds like Oregon leads, but it's amazing what success does. If Miller has his best season at AZ, it will absolutely impact recruiting. We'll see what happens.

CatHoops · Post by **CatHoops** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:06 pm

Bol looks to be waiting til spring to sign I think that makes AZ a huge player

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:19 pm

Any low to mid 4

kids Arizona can try to add in the spring or are they still going after the big players? Hey I am trying to bring some energy to the thread!

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:05 am

3goggles wrote:So do we know if bol bol signed with Oregon? With O'Neal signing his papers does this give us any chance at getting back in with Bol Bol. If any body can help Arizona it O'Neal with Bol Bol as there are super close!

Bol did not commit nor sign with Oregon during this signing period, which was surprising. Shittu is also still on the market, although many expected him to announce and sign for Vanderbilt. At the moment there's nothing going on between these two and Arizona, but if we could get some clarity on our situation sooner than later that plays into our favor you never know what can happen.

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