Special Teams

ANGCatFan · Post by **ANGCatFan** » Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:17 am

Which unit has to replace the most starters? Special teams. Drew Riggleman and Casey Skowron have given us a solid kicking game for the past 3 and 2 years respectively. We bring back a experienced long snapper, but will have to replace both kickers and our holder (which has been Riggleman for 3 year).

Place kickers (2)
Josh Pollack (RS So) (1 xpt and 2 k/o against NAU)
Ollie Graybar (RS Fr)

Punters (4)
Josh Pollack (RS So)
Ollie Graybar (RS Fr)
Jake Glatting (RS So)
Matt Aragon (RS Fr)

Long Snappers (3)
Nick Reinhardt (RS So) (Did all the kicking snaps last year and punting snaps for 2nd half of season)
Nathan Eldridge (RS Fr)
Donald Reiter (Fr)

So, for our returning specialists we have Nick Reinhardt and have to replace everyone else from last year. Funny enough, he may even be pushed for his position. Nathan Eldridge is a true center who has done long snapping and may get a chance on special teams. He outweighs Reinhardt by 50 lbs.

Entering camp, Josh Pollack is expected to be our best kicker and punter, but Coach Rod has said ideally he would like to split the duties.

Kicking - Pollack, Graybar
Punting - Pollack, ? (not a lot of quality punting analysis out there)
Longsnapping - Reinhardt, Eldridge, Reiter
Holder - unknown, but I will guess Zach Werlinger a walk-on QB who has been on the team 3 years.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:47 pm

Graybar is not in the team so I'm told. You forgot Edgar Gastelum. He will probably be doing kick offs.

ANGCatFan · Post by **ANGCatFan** » Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:32 pm

Graybar is still on the roster and Gastelum hasn't been added yet.

If Graybar is leaving the team we will be desperate for a back-up kicker. Hope there is a good kicker currently managing girl's soccer.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:16 pm

ANGCatFan wrote:Graybar is still on the roster and Gastelum hasn't been added yet.

If Graybar is leaving the team we will be desperate for a back-up kicker. Hope there is a good kicker currently managing girl's soccer.

The roster isnt current as of yet. Graybar quit the team when they picked up Gastelum from Arizona Western. The back up kicker is Gastelum.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:37 pm

chiefzona wrote:
ANGCatFan wrote:Graybar is still on the roster and Gastelum hasn't been added yet.

If Graybar is leaving the team we will be desperate for a back-up kicker. Hope there is a good kicker currently managing girl's soccer.

The roster isnt current as of yet. Graybar quit the team when they picked up Gastelum from Arizona Western. The back up kicker is Gastelum.

The kid doesn't like competition?

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:32 pm

azgreg wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
ANGCatFan wrote:Graybar is still on the roster and Gastelum hasn't been added yet.

If Graybar is leaving the team we will be desperate for a back-up kicker. Hope there is a good kicker currently managing girl's soccer.

The roster isnt current as of yet. Graybar quit the team when they picked up Gastelum from Arizona Western. The back up kicker is Gastelum.
The kid doesn't like competition?

Allegedly....no. He knew he couldn't beat out Pollack or Gastelum. His Dad is a teacher for UNLV....maybe he'll want to play there......allegedly

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:29 am

Any of the kickers or punters scholarship players or do they have to wait and earn it as juniors like Riggleman and Skowron did?

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:19 am

Merkin wrote:Any of the kickers or punters scholarship players or do they have to wait and earn it as juniors like Riggleman and Skowron did?

Pollack is the only K/P with a scholie.

ANGCatFan · Post by **ANGCatFan** » Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:07 pm

A brownie point for Chief. Graybar is now removed from the official roster and Gastelum has been added.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:58 am

ANGCatFan wrote:A brownie point for Chief. Graybar is now removed from the official roster and Gastelum has been added.

Thanks Ang.....I love brownies.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:25 pm

chiefzona wrote:
ANGCatFan wrote:A brownie point for Chief. Graybar is now removed from the official roster and Gastelum has been added.

Thanks Ang.....I love brownies.

Have your medical card?

ANGCatFan · Post by **ANGCatFan** » Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:50 am

Good summation of where we are for special teams from Jason Bartel at SBN.

Key losses: Casey Skowron, Drew Riggleman, Jose Romero, Jared Baker

Key returners: Josh Pollack, Nick Reinhardt, Tyrell Johnson, Nate Phillips, Samajie Grant, Shun Brown

Key newcomers: J.J. Taylor

In the story, but not included in the summation above are other key players: Edgar Gastelum (JC walk-on back-up kicker) and Matt Morin (holder).

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:38 am

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:03 pm

I like the use of two guys back to recieve punts.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:52 pm

It seems to make the kick coverage team pause just a bit because they're not sure which guy is getting the ball. I think they return at least one for a TD this year. If Taylor is able to catch some kicks with room to move then look out.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:13 am

Any kickers or punters coming in next season?

Wondered why Pollack was kicking off.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:18 am

Yea, that it why we have been outscored like 200 to 58 over the last 4 games. Cry your tears RR in the 1.5m per win we are giving you

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:06 am

azcat49 wrote:Yea, that it why we have been outscored like 200 to 58 over the last 4 games. Cry your tears RR in the 1.5m per win we are giving you

That's because we lack a running game, and passing with our Top 2 RB's & QB's injured. That happens all the time you know. Keep up the hate

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:18 am

Keep telling yourself we would be better. Living in denial is a special thing to posses.

With our starters we rang up 15 against BYU. We were healthy. This program sucks and it's because of RR. Besides, Grant had 113 on 16 carries. That should work

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:11 am

Looks like a kickoff specialist, no FGs at Baylor.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:53 am

Hopefully he doesn't get a concussion from a football in the head.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:04 am

CatinVA · Post by **CatinVA** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:56 pm

Merkin wrote:

Screw it, why not. Can't do much worse, and the rugby-style kick is all the rage these days. Then again, I'm not enough of an expert in the fine art of punting to be even remotely considered a subject matter expert.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:56 pm

They still do the rodeo shit. That's why Glatting has a 37 yard average. RR doesn't want booming punters with long hangtimes out there anyway. It's not his MO.

MrMeow · Post by **MrMeow** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:47 pm

chiefzona wrote:They still do the rodeo shit. That's why Glatting has a 37 yard average. RR doesn't want booming punters with long hangtimes out there anyway. It's not his MO.

Long hangtimes aren't RR's MO? What IS his MO?

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:19 pm

MrMeow wrote:
chiefzona wrote:They still do the rodeo shit. That's why Glatting has a 37 yard average. RR doesn't want booming punters with long hangtimes out there anyway. It's not his MO.
Long hangtimes aren't RR's MO? What IS his MO?

Rodeo punts.

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:24 pm

If de Beer has been practicing a lot with a football, why not try him out? A football is smaller in the waist and pointier on the tip with a thicker cover and less air than a rugby ball. If he's already been booting footballs, he's probably used to the difference.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:52 pm

I don't care who we find to punt as long as we find someone who long-snap the damn ball back there.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:35 pm

ALASKACAT · Post by **ALASKACAT** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:28 am

Lucas Havrisik nice job on the fg placements. Josh Pollack, WTF! Seemed to punt scared. Free De Beer!

FlyonWall · Post by **FlyonWall** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:05 pm

ALASKACAT wrote:Lucas Havrisik nice job on the fg placements. Josh Pollack, WTF! Seemed to punt scared. Free De Beer!

Wouldn't you be scared if the USC rushers were breaking through our line and getting in your face every time?

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:32 pm

Holy shitballs

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:33 pm

Hasn't RR had the reputation for quite some time that he really doesn't give much thought/care to special teams?

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:35 pm

That and defense. And passing. And recruiting.

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:35 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:Hasn't RR had the reputation for quite some time that he really doesn't give much thought/care to special teams?

he's not out there kicking the punts. These kids are soft

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:36 pm

whatisee wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:Hasn't RR had the reputation for quite some time that he really doesn't give much thought/care to special teams?
he's not out there kicking the punts. These kids are soft

He's just the one responsible for recruiting the kids he decides to put out there kicking those punts.

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:37 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:That and defense. And passing. And recruiting.

The breakdown started tonight in the punting game, and the injury losses on D.

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:37 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:
whatisee wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:Hasn't RR had the reputation for quite some time that he really doesn't give much thought/care to special teams?
he's not out there kicking the punts. These kids are soft
He's just the one responsible for recruiting the kids he decides to put out there kicking those punts.

Broken record

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:38 pm

Hopefully the answer to out punting issues next year.

https://247sports.com/Player/Ryan-Wright-46040423" target="_blank

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:38 pm

Hopefully the answer to out punting issues next year.

https://247sports.com/Player/Ryan-Wright-46040423" target="_blank

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:39 pm

whatisee wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:
whatisee wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:Hasn't RR had the reputation for quite some time that he really doesn't give much thought/care to special teams?
he's not out there kicking the punts. These kids are soft
He's just the one responsible for recruiting the kids he decides to put out there kicking those punts.
Broken record

Just as broken as "it's on the players to perform" and such similar statements. You turn off your record, I'll turn off mine.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:40 pm

whatisee wrote: These kids are soft

There's always an excuse.

But I mean honestly, where is someone supposed to find a five star DL who wants to star in the 3 man line?

Oh wait, we're talking about punters.

But I mean honestly, where's someone supposed to find a punter?

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:57 pm

SCCats wrote:
whatisee wrote: These kids are soft

There's always an excuse.

But I mean honestly, where is someone supposed to find a five star DL who wants to star in the 3 man line?

Oh wait, we're talking about punters.

But I mean honestly, where's someone supposed to find a punter?

There’s always someone who wants to shift the blame away from the person who’s responsible

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:00 pm

whatisee wrote:
SCCats wrote:
whatisee wrote: These kids are soft

There's always an excuse.

But I mean honestly, where is someone supposed to find a five star DL who wants to star in the 3 man line?

Oh wait, we're talking about punters.

But I mean honestly, where's someone supposed to find a punter?

There’s always someone who wants to shift the blame to the person who’s responsible

Ok. So you're saying you want to shift the blame to the shitty punter that RR recruited?

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:02 pm

SCCats wrote:
whatisee wrote:
SCCats wrote:
whatisee wrote: These kids are soft

There's always an excuse.

But I mean honestly, where is someone supposed to find a five star DL who wants to star in the 3 man line?

Oh wait, we're talking about punters.

But I mean honestly, where's someone supposed to find a punter?

There’s always someone who wants to shift the blame to the person who’s responsible

Ok. So you're saying you want to shift the blame to the shitty punter that RR recruited?

You mean hold the guy actually kicking the ball accountable like RR did? I believe he tried 3 different guys

But this argument is silly since you had our record at 4-7 about this point before the season right?

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:08 pm

whatisee wrote:You mean hold the guy actually kicking the ball accountable like RR did? I believe he tried 3 different guys

But this argument is silly since you had our record at 4-7 about this point before the season right?

Two things there.

It's RR job to find the talent all over the field. The fact he hasn't (on special teams, elsewhere) is on him. That's it. There's nothing more to be said. Anything else is desultory bullshit.

Point two. Our appropriate record with Dawkins at the helm would have been probably 4-8 (2-1, 2-7) or 5-7 (2-1, 3-6) with I would guess an 80% or better probability.

But our coach misevaluated that one too; a trend, one might say. That is, his ability to misevauluate.

BearDown89 · Post by **BearDown89** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:35 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:That and defense. And passing. And recruiting.

I'm with you tonight Hater. First time you've ever made me laugh.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:34 am

UA is 128 out of 129 in net punting.

http://stats.ncaa.org/teams/113529" target="_blank

mofo · Post by **mofo** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:45 am

Merkin wrote:UA is 128 out of 129 in net punting.

http://stats.ncaa.org/teams/113529" target="_blank

Could be worse

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:58 pm

mofo wrote:
Merkin wrote:UA is 128 out of 129 in net punting.

http://stats.ncaa.org/teams/113529" target="_blank
Could be worse

This made me laugh.

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