Arizona at ASU Territorial Cup discussion thread

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:18 am

Love the afternoon game, but sucks again much of the US won't see Tate destroy ASU.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:25 am

hmmm. happy it's during the day. but yeah. no exposure for Tate still. oh well. next year hopefully. he only got to play on espn twice and both games were after 10 pm eastern.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:34 am

Forecast for that day is a high of 88°.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:35 am

only 15 degrees above average!

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:47 am

azgreg wrote:Forecast for that day is a high of 88°.

We are getting screwed by playing this game in the heat during the day.

Thanks Larry Scott!!!!!

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:58 am

Bummed it will be the first time in 6 years I'm not at the game.. Flip side, first time in 6 years I'll be home for Thanksgiving.

splitsecond · Post by **splitsecond** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:47 pm

88 degrees? Yeah I will go to a bar. Fuck sitting in that piss trap in 88 degree weather.

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:55 pm

I love the timing. This year I am not going to give my $$ to ASU. I am just going to have a watch party at my house.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:04 pm

Fuck asu!

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:27 pm

Espn picks up the ntosu game but no one touches this one?

Tv money is rolling rolling rolling...

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:36 pm

This game is the only game that matters to me at this point.

Sure, I want us to win whatever toilet bowl we go to.

This game though, is the one I'd prefer we win.

This game is a must win.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:37 pm

Yea bowl is largley irrelevant. Just beat ASU. We're playing for Vegas or El Paso right?

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:39 pm

I'd think tonight we lost any shot at a Holiday or Foster farms bowl. I'd be looking at Las Vegas hotel rooms and a rematch against Boise State at this rate.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:40 pm

scumdevils86 wrote:Yea bowl is largley irrelevant. Just beat ASU. We're playing for Vegas or El Paso right?

Honestly, I don't know, nor do I care. I can't remember right now which bowl we'd be in position to be picked for, and it doesn't matter to me.

Just beat ASsU.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:22 am

Last year ASU was 56th or so in rushing defense AFTER Arizona put up 511 on them. This year they’re somewhere around 74th. Their passing defense is about as bad as last year’s was. Granted, AZ’s defense is worse in those categories, but they were also bad last year. If Tate connects on a few short passes early on and the defense gets a couple of takeaways, AZ will run off with this one. There’s a lot of talk about how ASU can move the ball and put up points. They’re 39th in total offense in FBS. Arizona? 9th. They’re 45th in total offense. Arizona? 6th. This ASU defense is not much different than last year’s and Dawkins ran riot on them. ASU will be motivated to avenge last year. But this is definitely a winnable game for AZ.

jimson · Post by **jimson** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:03 pm

Cats haven't beaten them up there since RR got here. After the last 2 road games and with this defense, I don't see it happening this year either.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:11 pm

This video popped up in my facebook feed from 6 years ago. It was a video message from me and my boys to my good Devil friend. My kids were so little then, but very smart! Thought it was funny and I would share.

Go Cats!

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:19 pm

Did they get the "You're fired!" from The Apprentice Ari?

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:22 pm

Also, remember one little wildcard here: Cecil is gonna have those guys out there fired up. This one's personal for him, and he's gonna make sure the rest of the guys feel the same way.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:22 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:Did they get the "You're fired!" from The Apprentice Ari?

No comment.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:56 pm

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:14 am

So this morning I have had two different ASSU colleagues come up to me and tell me they have heard Tate is out with his knee. Has anyone else heard this I saw Tate walking around on the field after the game Saturday and he wasn't labored and seemed basically OK. I know he tweaked it but maybe he had an MRI after he got back to Tucson?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:19 am

Merkin wrote:

Has moved to a pick'em at Vegas Insider.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:19 am

Nothing on twitter. Not sure why ASU alumni would know more than UA pundits.

RiseAndFire · Post by **RiseAndFire** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:49 am

I'll always remember what a special asu beclowning 2016 was - to be steamrolled for 500+ rushing yards and Az didn't even attempt a single 2nd half pass?? How many times has that been done in FBS?

Hopefully Tate, Wilson, Taylor, Green and Dawkins can ring up 600 or 700 yards and 60 points this year.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:08 am

I think this is 1984. If I recall correctly (had a few beverages that night), I helped carry the north goal post out of the stadium after the game.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:04 am

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:44 pm

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:25 pm

I hope Tate's wheels are ready to go, we need them.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:27 pm

WildcatStunner wrote:I hope Tate's wheels are ready to go, we need them.

Arizona can beat ASU with Dawkins at QB. They've got a full stable of RBs this year as well.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:45 pm

f*ck ASU

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:53 pm

It's history time again!

First meeting: 1899 Tucson (Carrillo Gardens) ASSu 11–2
Last meeting: 2016 Arizona Stadium Arizona 56–35
Meetings total: 91
All-time series: Arizona leads 49–40–1 (.550)
Largest victory: Arizona 67–0 (1946)
Longest win streak: Arizona 11 (1932–48)
Current win streak: Arizona 1 (2016–present)

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:55 pm

ASU should go retro in their Tempe Normal uniforms.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:01 pm

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:05 pm

Torn MCL.....concussion......high ankle sprain......

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:15 pm

azgreg wrote:It's history time again!

First meeting: 1899 Tucson (Carrillo Gardens) ASSu 11–2
Last meeting: 2016 Arizona Stadium Arizona 56–35
Meetings total: 91
All-time series: Arizona leads 49–40–1 (.550)
Largest victory: Arizona 67–0 (1946)
Longest win streak: Arizona 11 (1932–48)
Current win streak: Arizona 1 (2016–present)

Since the mouth breathers from the toilet known as Tempe like to state that the overall record is bogus since they weren't actually a university in those early years (I like to argue back that they aren't an actual university now) here is the record since joining the PAC:

Overall: Arizona 20-17-1
Home: Arizona 10-9
Away: Arizona 10-8-1

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:21 pm

chiefzona wrote:Torn MCL.....concussion......high ankle sprain......

Who? Tate? Why so cryptic. Oh its chief

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:23 pm

84Cat wrote:

Not buying it. ASU is going to a bowl game no matter what, and the kicker being that ASU will have to pay Graham $3.2M a year until June 30, 2021 if fired without cause.

From USA Today:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 793671001/" target="_blank

Todd Graham, Arizona State

Buyout: $12,066,667

Mitigation/offset: Not addressed

Athletics director Ray Anderson declined to extend Graham’s contract at the end of last season like he had in previous years, an ominous sign for a coach who went 28-12 in his first three seasons at Arizona State but has gone 15-17 since. The cost of buying out Graham, however, is the entire salary left on his contract, which would put Anderson and company in a tough spot if they wanted to make a change.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:32 pm

http://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/gre ... 642ad.html" target="_blank

Haha, great story on the depths both these teams will go in their hatred for one another. The post game brawl of fans is something I fear we will see again and probably soon

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:45 pm

If they had already been eliminated from bowl contention going into the game and they lost to us, maybe he'd be fired. But I don't see it as is.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:00 pm

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:09 pm

Merkin wrote:
84Cat wrote:
Not buying it. ASU is going to a bowl game no matter what, and the kicker being that ASU will have to pay Graham $3.2M a year until June 30, 2021 if fired without cause.

From USA Today:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 793671001/" target="_blank

Todd Graham, Arizona State

Buyout: $12,066,667

Mitigation/offset: Not addressed

Athletics director Ray Anderson declined to extend Graham’s contract at the end of last season like he had in previous years, an ominous sign for a coach who went 28-12 in his first three seasons at Arizona State but has gone 15-17 since. The cost of buying out Graham, however, is the entire salary left on his contract, which would put Anderson and company in a tough spot if they wanted to make a change.

I dunno... If RR was 6-5 heading into this game and lost I'd want the guillotine...

Then again, Toad has had more collective success during his tenure - so him getting canned (when RR clearly won't be) would be pretty strange.

In terms of season accomplishments, these 2 teams are about as evenly matched entering this game as I can remember (although I suppose in 2014 we were, too).
- We both sit at 5-3 in P-12 play
- We each have only 1 win against P12 teams in the upper half of their division
- They have 1 loss to a team in the lower half of their division standings, we have 2
- Our overall record is better... but had we played their OOC schedule, I think we'd have an additional loss.

This one shapes up to be a good one... Win and I will leave the season happy with a successful campaign and looking forward to next year with Khalil Tate.

Lose, and it will feel like RR did 'just enough' to keep his job, with the help of a very favorable conference draw.... Yawn.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:22 pm

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:05 pm

azcat49 wrote:
chiefzona wrote:Torn MCL.....concussion......high ankle sprain......

Who? Tate? Why so cryptic. Oh its chief

D line

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:35 pm

So in order Belknap, Bruno, Boles?

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:40 pm

At least Parker Zellers will be fresh lol

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:51 pm

azcat49 wrote:So in order Belknap, Bruno, Boles?

Yes. That’s what I heard. Take it FWIW.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:57 pm

Makes sense, thx

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:15 pm

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:16 am

The TC belongs to ASU but ASU is owned by Arizona!!!

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