Best/Worst analysts/commentators/announcers

Pop McKale · Post by **Pop McKale** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:28 pm

Can't listen to many of these dudes anymore. Was just having a fun discussion with a buddy at lunch the other day about football announcers, Tony Romo, etc. and for my money, it didn't get much better than the early 1980's on NBC for the NFL and college basketball. Enberg/Olsen and Enberg/McGuire, Charlie Jones, Don Criqui, et al. Summerall/Madden was an iconic pairing for the NFL on CBS/FOX but nothing's really come close since that era for me.

These days for hoops, give me Gus Johnson and Bill Raftery and I'm set.

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:32 pm

Pop McKale wrote:Can't listen to many of these dudes anymore. Was just having a fun discussion with a buddy at lunch the other day about football announcers, Tony Romo, etc. and for my money, it didn't get much better than the early 1980's on NBC for the NFL and college basketball. Enberg/Olsen and Enberg/McGuire, Charlie Jones, Don Criqui, et al. Summerall/Madden was an iconic pairing for the NFL on CBS/FOX but nothing's really come close since that era for me.

These days for hoops, give me Gus Johnson and Bill Raftery and I'm set.

People love Romo. Madden, just no. Gus Johnson is the most overrated thing in sports. Raftery and Walton are the best in cbb.

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:41 pm

I love listening to a game Gus is calling, when he's calling, it sounds like the most important game of the year.

Pop McKale · Post by **Pop McKale** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:46 pm

UALoco wrote:I love listening to a game Gus is calling, when he's calling, it sounds like the most important game of the year.

Exactly. Creighton playing St. John's on a frigid Nebraska night in January seems like it's THE place to be.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:51 pm

SunnyAZ wrote:
Pop McKale wrote:Can't listen to many of these dudes anymore. Was just having a fun discussion with a buddy at lunch the other day about football announcers, Tony Romo, etc. and for my money, it didn't get much better than the early 1980's on NBC for the NFL and college basketball. Enberg/Olsen and Enberg/McGuire, Charlie Jones, Don Criqui, et al. Summerall/Madden was an iconic pairing for the NFL on CBS/FOX but nothing's really come close since that era for me.

These days for hoops, give me Gus Johnson and Bill Raftery and I'm set.
People love Romo. Madden, just no. Gus Johnson is the most overrated thing in sports. Raftery and Walton are the best in cbb.

When Raftery yells man to man, I want to punch the TV.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:56 pm

I thought the Dave Pasch / Sean Farnham pairing for the Alabama game was excellent.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:03 pm

Pop McKale wrote:Can't listen to many of these dudes anymore. Was just having a fun discussion with a buddy at lunch the other day about football announcers, Tony Romo, etc. and for my money, it didn't get much better than the early 1980's on NBC for the NFL and college basketball. Enberg/Olsen and Enberg/McGuire, Charlie Jones, Don Criqui, et al. Summerall/Madden was an iconic pairing for the NFL on CBS/FOX but nothing's really come close since that era for me.

These days for hoops, give me Gus Johnson and Bill Raftery and I'm set.

This, all the way.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:28 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:I thought the Dave Pasch / Sean Farnham pairing for the Alabama game was excellent.

Agreed....Watching the replay on YouTube now and it’s soooooooo much better than Walton....They talk about the actual game almost all the time....imagine that....Maybe people / fans watch a game to actually watch the frickin’ game!

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:16 am

Bangkok Wildcat wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:I thought the Dave Pasch / Sean Farnham pairing for the Alabama game was excellent.
Agreed....Watching the replay on YouTube now and it’s soooooooo much better than Walton....They talk about the actual game almost all the time....imagine that....Maybe people / fans watch a game to actually watch the frickin’ game!

Yeah, but no reminder which conference is the Conference of Champions. Plus, neither one thanked someone for our lives.

Huge hole in the commentary.

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:55 am

UALoco wrote:I love listening to a game Gus is calling, when he's calling, it sounds like the most important game of the year.

yeah, that's the point. He is a try hard. He's like a robot that is set on excitement the whole time. Everything isn't that cool dude and I'm watching the game and know it isn't despite your best efforts to make it seem like it. I also don't think he has any interesting takes or insights. To me he comes off as a dude that isn't that interesting but tries to cover it up by trying to make everything sound interesting.

I like listening to commentators that seem interesting or are having a good time. It doesn't even really have to be about the game cause I'm watching the game, I don't really need you to tell me what's happening. That's why I like Walton calling UA games, he isn't going to tell me anything about UA that I don't already know (unless it's the stuff where he talks to/about their families, which is always cool) so his ramblings are welcome. It doesn't really come off as well if he's calling a random game where I really don't know about either team playing tho, still more enjoyable than most.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:10 pm

SunnyAZ wrote:
UALoco wrote:I love listening to a game Gus is calling, when he's calling, it sounds like the most important game of the year.
yeah, that's the point. He is a try hard. He's like a robot that is set on excitement the whole time. Everything isn't that cool dude and I'm watching the game and know it isn't despite your best efforts to make it seem like it. I also don't think he has any interesting takes or insights. To me he comes off as a dude that isn't that interesting but tries to cover it up by trying to make everything sound interesting.

I like listening to commentators that seem interesting or are having a good time. It doesn't even really have to be about the game cause I'm watching the game, I don't really need you to tell me what's happening. That's why I like Walton calling UA games, he isn't going to tell me anything about UA that I don't already know (unless it's the stuff where he talks to/about their families, which is always cool) so his ramblings are welcome. It doesn't really come off as well if he's calling a random game where I really don't know about either team playing tho, still more enjoyable than most.

I feel like watching a game Walton is doing is the equivalent of watching at a random bar in an unfamiliar city, sitting next to a guy who won’t shut up about the awesome cleanse he just finished up.

No thank you.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:22 pm

Chicat wrote:
SunnyAZ wrote:
UALoco wrote:I love listening to a game Gus is calling, when he's calling, it sounds like the most important game of the year.
yeah, that's the point. He is a try hard. He's like a robot that is set on excitement the whole time. Everything isn't that cool dude and I'm watching the game and know it isn't despite your best efforts to make it seem like it. I also don't think he has any interesting takes or insights. To me he comes off as a dude that isn't that interesting but tries to cover it up by trying to make everything sound interesting.

I like listening to commentators that seem interesting or are having a good time. It doesn't even really have to be about the game cause I'm watching the game, I don't really need you to tell me what's happening. That's why I like Walton calling UA games, he isn't going to tell me anything about UA that I don't already know (unless it's the stuff where he talks to/about their families, which is always cool) so his ramblings are welcome. It doesn't really come off as well if he's calling a random game where I really don't know about either team playing tho, still more enjoyable than most.
I feel like watching a game Walton is doing is the equivalent of watching at a random bar in an unfamiliar city, sitting next to a guy who won’t shut up about the awesome cleanse he just finished up.

No thank you.

Except there's a mute button. I don't mind Walton bc when I feel like it, I listen. When I don't I mute.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:11 pm

And on Ayton:

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:27 pm

Shaq averaged 14 and 12 and never had the J Ayton has. Of course, he averaged almost 4 bpg too. Shaq is a weird comparison for Ayton for me. I see the Olajuwon, Robinson or Ewing ones better with his faceup game.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:46 pm

I think he means "looks" as far as Ayton's size and physique. His game is much more akin to Ewing's.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:40 pm

Not exactly on topic but I just switched to espn2.
Vitale saying the ball brothers leaving UCLA is a great Xmas gift for Alford.

But the funny part is the description of the game is MI and TX: 2 ncaa blue bloods battle on the court.

I would never consider either a blue blood in basketball.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:56 pm

Postmaster wrote:Not exactly on topic but I just switched to espn2.
Vitale saying the ball brothers leaving UCLA is a great Xmas gift for Alford.

But the funny part is the description of the game is MI and TX: 2 ncaa blue bloods battle on the court.

I would never consider either a blue blood in basketball.

The WWL is just a perpetual hype machine now. I tune in for highlights, then get the hell out as quickly as possible.

Pop McKale · Post by **Pop McKale** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:33 am

Dick Enberg, RIP. Dammit.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:19 am

Pop McKale wrote:Dick Enberg, RIP. Dammit.

Oh my.

Big part of my growing up, along with Vin Scully and Chick Hearn.

Enberg called our last Elite Eight victory.

Touch 'em all, Dick!

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:48 am

Dick Enberg, Eddie Einhorn and TVS. Read all about how college hoops made its way onto television, long after college football was already there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TVS_Television_Network" target="_blank

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:18 am

Can I nominate Greg Hansen in the print medium?

His article today is all about how Arizona is stressed and joyless and says UConn's bench was more fired up as opposed to the tense Arizona bench.

http://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/gre ... e-featured" target="_blank

Look at the highlights and you'll see the Arizona bench up on almost all baskets with Pinder waving a towel. Rawle was on the floor waving his hands to pump up the crowd, but Hansen has to keep beating the doomsayer drum. For a point of reference, look at Rawle's highlights:

https://youtu.be/oik18GTW0eg" target="_blank

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:23 am

If Hansen were a political commentator, I think we all know the only place his "alternative facts" would still find him gainfully employed.

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:26 am

Usually in a close game the team that is a huge underdog is going to be more excited about it.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:11 pm

SunnyAZ wrote:Usually in a close game the team that is a huge underdog is going to be more excited about it.

Yeah, but when Arizona's bench stood up to cheer, did it look like they were genuinely happy? We should bring in one of those body language experts from the cable news.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:10 pm

Walton: How's your dog?

Pasch: Died three years ago.

FightWildcatsFight · Post by **FightWildcatsFight** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:45 pm

Eddie House isn't a good commentator

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:16 am

Wait, did ESPN really send Jeff Goodman to Lithuania to cover the Ball Bros arrival??

Please tell me they are going to leave him there.

“I’m sorry sir, but there doesn’t seem to be a return ticket.”

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:57 pm

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:29 pm

Good Lord Goodman is easily trolled and butt-hurt. Did ESPN send him out there to cover a couple of Ball kids who are never going to play in the NBA?

Will be so glad when their 15 minutes is over but I’m worried they will be the Kardashian’s of Basketball and ESPN will continue their click-baiting. Smh.

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:24 am

It's insane that ESPN tolerates Goodman and Dakich attacking people on twitter, especially since they've reprimanded other people for lesser things and changed their social media policies.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:28 am

prh wrote:It's insane that ESPN tolerates Goodman and Dakich attacking people on twitter, especially since they've reprimanded other people for lesser things and changed their social media policies.

Not to get politically but there is a huge difference between attacking one or two people vs attacking half the country

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:33 am

PHXCATS wrote:
prh wrote:It's insane that ESPN tolerates Goodman and Dakich attacking people on twitter, especially since they've reprimanded other people for lesser things and changed their social media policies.
Not to get politically but there is a huge difference between attacking one or two people vs attacking half the country

I'm not sure if you're referring to anything specifically (probably Jemelle), but my "lesser things" wasn't referring to anything politically. I know the policy changes followed political posts but they've taken issue with all sorts of stuff. They even told people not to break stories on social, although that hasn't really held up.

But I'd also say that attacking anyone shouldn't be tolerated, whether it's individuals or large populations. Not in general but especially not by ESPN.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:38 am

prh wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
prh wrote:It's insane that ESPN tolerates Goodman and Dakich attacking people on twitter, especially since they've reprimanded other people for lesser things and changed their social media policies.
Not to get politically but there is a huge difference between attacking one or two people vs attacking half the country
I'm not sure if you're referring to anything specifically (probably Jemelle), but my "lesser things" wasn't referring to anything politically. I know the policy changes followed political posts but they've taken issue with all sorts of stuff. They even told people not to break stories on social, although that hasn't really held up.

But I'd also say that attacking anyone shouldn't be tolerated, whether it's individuals or large populations. Not in general but especially not by ESPN.

I agree that this type of childish behavior or attacks of any kind should not be tolerated. But for ESPN having people make politically comments risks a lot of viewership especially with their current reputation, attacking individuals risks one or two viewers.

I thought that only certain ESPN people were allowed to break stories on Twitter like WOJ and Schefter. But that really isn't a model that will be successful for them.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:42 am

PHXCATS wrote:
prh wrote:It's insane that ESPN tolerates Goodman and Dakich attacking people on twitter, especially since they've reprimanded other people for lesser things and changed their social media policies.
Not to get politically but there is a huge difference between attacking one or two people vs attacking half the country

If you’re referring to Jemele Hill, she only attacked one person.

This was the tweet that caused the controversy:

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:00 am

Moving on, I think we can all agree that Goodman is a poor representative of UA alumni and the UA, and should probably refrain from being childish on Twitter. He falls squarely into the "worst" category of this thread's discussion.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:50 am

prh wrote:Moving on, I think we can all agree that Goodman is a poor representative of UA alumni and the UA, and should probably refrain from being childish on Twitter. He falls squarely into the "worst" category of this thread's discussion.

Completely agree

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:06 am

So ESPN sent Goodman, a college basketball reporter, to cover a high school dropout and a college dropout debut in Lithuania. Couldn't happen to a better guy.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:14 am

Looks like the Balls sat out because the opposing team wouldn't let them film their reality show. They will now debut at home on Tuesday.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:23 am

How do you say “No one gives a shit” in Lithuanian? Wanted to let Jeff know in his new homeland’s mother tongue...

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:28 am

Chicat wrote:How do you say “No one gives a shit” in Lithuanian?

Pretty sure it's @GoodmanESPN. Could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:03 am

TucsonClip wrote:
Chicat wrote:How do you say “No one gives a shit” in Lithuanian?
Pretty sure it's @GoodmanESPN. Could be wrong, but I doubt it.

I just looked it up. You are absolutely correct.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:37 am

He just re-stuffs his cheeks with butterscotch Lifesavers and keeps going and going and going

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:04 pm

TucsonClip wrote:
Chicat wrote:How do you say “No one gives a shit” in Lithuanian?
Pretty sure it's @GoodmanESPN. Could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Hysterical, thanks Clip!

How embarrassing that he’s a Wildcat.....belongs with the Kardashian’s of Basketball now...smh. How can anyone EVER take him seriously again? Especially with his click-bait attack on Luke Walton? Ughhh.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:32 am

TucsonClip wrote:
Chicat wrote:How do you say “No one gives a shit” in Lithuanian?
Pretty sure it's @GoodmanESPN. Could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Or "niekas neduoda šūdas"

Interchangeable really

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:21 pm

Goodman making friends.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:30 pm

Fuck Jeff Goodman. I hope Lithuania is added to the travel ban and both him and the Balls get stuck there forever.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:35 pm

He through aside professional objectivity to go after Luke Walton because he's a realist, not a homer.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:26 pm

PJC having to answer questions about Goodman's tweet is fucking awful. Fuck him and all that he is.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:33 pm

Olsondogg wrote:PJC having to answer questions about Goodman's tweet is fucking awful. Fuck him and all that he is.

Ditto

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