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I have not, but at the same time have we heard anything from Heeke about RR being the right guy? Usually a coach in RR situation would at least get some verbal backing from the AD.UAEebs86 wrote:Other than chief, has anyone in the know heard any serious discussion of Heeke letting RR go this offseason?
It was basically:TatetheGreat wrote:You should check out an A&M forum if you want to know how they felt about Sumlin prior to getting canned. The threads look a lot like this one.
My guy in the AD is not yet in the Heeke circle of trust unfortunately and nothing has filtered down through the usual grapevine. So I’ve got nothing.UAEebs86 wrote:Other than chief, has anyone in the know heard any serious discussion of Heeke letting RR go this offseason?
They couldn’t stand Jimbo in Tallahassee. He went 5-6 this season and had zero depth at QB during year 8 at freaking FSU. That’s pathetic. Texas A&M has money with high expectations and sit in the ass of the SEC. Not a legit situation. The FSU job is so watered down that Willie got it. He ain’t even a top 20 coach. Get with it Tate.TatetheGreat wrote:Yet they pulled Jimbo from Florida State. You talk a big game but know very little.chiefzona wrote:TatetheGreat wrote:You should check out an A&M forum if you want to know how they felt about Sumlin prior to getting canned. The threads look a lot like this one.
Texas A&M fans have zero credibility and think they have a 5 Star program. They haven’t won shit since 1939. It’s a bunch of white kids who think they deserve 10 wins a year. Not when you play in the same division as Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and Miss State. They’ll see when Fisher comes to town.
I didn't say they looked exactly the same, but there's enough similarity to doubt Sumlin.Spaceman Spiff wrote:It was basically:TatetheGreat wrote:You should check out an A&M forum if you want to know how they felt about Sumlin prior to getting canned. The threads look a lot like this one.
"We're paying this guy 5 million base salary plus incentives to win OOC games vs doormats and then hover around .500 in conference."
They don't look exactly like our threads. We were paying less.
ramcat wrote:Anyone with insight as to why Clancy Pendergast hasn't been given an opportunity?
AZ native born in Phoenix, Wildcat Alum with tons of experience and generally has had very Solid defenses. Seem to remember some awfully stout defenses at Cal.
See Jon Embree at Colorado for why you don't hire underqualified alums.ramcat wrote:Anyone with insight as to why Clancy Pendergast hasn't been given an opportunity?
AZ native born in Phoenix, Wildcat Alum with tons of experience and generally has had very Solid defenses. Seem to remember some awfully stout defenses at Cal.
I completely agree with you and was just being sarcastic about the only difference being how much more A&M was paying Sumlin. A&M fans were mad that Sumlin had settled around .500 in conference and sliding into a midlevel bowl with cupcake OOC games. It was basically the "settling for mediocrity" argument people here advanced about RR.TatetheGreat wrote:I didn't say they looked exactly the same, but there's enough similarity to doubt Sumlin.Spaceman Spiff wrote:It was basically:TatetheGreat wrote:You should check out an A&M forum if you want to know how they felt about Sumlin prior to getting canned. The threads look a lot like this one.
"We're paying this guy 5 million base salary plus incentives to win OOC games vs doormats and then hover around .500 in conference."
They don't look exactly like our threads. We were paying less.
ramcat wrote:Ah...Sure would like to get some Alumni blood here. Any thought that Yates could go and have Cecil take over, maybe groomed for HC in year or two. Get Salave'a back, get some one to run a pro style offense, more of a Stanford model.
If there are fans and pundits that are still cool with Rich Rod.....Sumlin is a low risk high reward. He’s a better evaluator than RR. Better recruiter than RR. He develops and recruits NFL players. He’s a player’s coach and RR is not. He’s a better on field coach than RR. He values defense....we all know that RR believes a good defense is the best offense. Wins all around for Sumlin.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I completely agree with you and was just being sarcastic about the only difference being how much more A&M was paying Sumlin. A&M fans were mad that Sumlin had settled around .500 in conference and sliding into a midlevel bowl with cupcake OOC games. It was basically the "settling for mediocrity" argument people here advanced about RR.TatetheGreat wrote:I didn't say they looked exactly the same, but there's enough similarity to doubt Sumlin.Spaceman Spiff wrote:It was basically:TatetheGreat wrote:You should check out an A&M forum if you want to know how they felt about Sumlin prior to getting canned. The threads look a lot like this one.
"We're paying this guy 5 million base salary plus incentives to win OOC games vs doormats and then hover around .500 in conference."
They don't look exactly like our threads. We were paying less.
Here's one to peruse:
https://www.secrant.com/rant/texas-a-m- ... /73047761/" target="_blank
D coordinator? Read some about Drevno with Michigan, strong So Cal ties, seems ripe for a chance and could bring in a Stanford pro style model.chiefzona wrote:ramcat wrote:Ah...Sure would like to get some Alumni blood here. Any thought that Yates could go and have Cecil take over, maybe groomed for HC in year or two. Get Salave'a back, get some one to run a pro style offense, more of a Stanford model.
Cecil has had too many concussions. Not HC material.
ramcat wrote:D coordinator? Read some about Drevno with Michigan, strong So Cal ties, seems ripe for a chance and could bring in a Stanford pro style model.chiefzona wrote:ramcat wrote:Ah...Sure would like to get some Alumni blood here. Any thought that Yates could go and have Cecil take over, maybe groomed for HC in year or two. Get Salave'a back, get some one to run a pro style offense, more of a Stanford model.
Cecil has had too many concussions. Not HC material.
We are fucked if FSU and Oregon are watered down jobs. We might as well hire Cecil or Pendergast if that's the case.chiefzona wrote:They couldn’t stand Jimbo in Tallahassee. He went 5-6 this season and had zero depth at QB during year 8 at freaking FSU. That’s pathetic. Texas A&M has money with high expectations and sit in the ass of the SEC. Not a legit situation. The FSU job is so watered down that Willie got it. He ain’t even a top 20 coach. Get with it Tate.TatetheGreat wrote:Yet they pulled Jimbo from Florida State. You talk a big game but know very little.chiefzona wrote:TatetheGreat wrote:You should check out an A&M forum if you want to know how they felt about Sumlin prior to getting canned. The threads look a lot like this one.
Texas A&M fans have zero credibility and think they have a 5 Star program. They haven’t won shit since 1939. It’s a bunch of white kids who think they deserve 10 wins a year. Not when you play in the same division as Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and Miss State. They’ll see when Fisher comes to town.
They are watered down now. Oregon took the stupid route and FSU took the well he recruited well at USF route so he can do that here. Did Sumlin go 5-6 his last year at A&M? No. Jimbo is all hype and the good ol’ boys in College Station wanted a white boy back in there. Yee Haw Aggies!!!!TatetheGreat wrote:We are fucked if FSU and Oregon are watered down jobs. We might as well hire Cecil or Pendergast if that's the case.chiefzona wrote:They couldn’t stand Jimbo in Tallahassee. He went 5-6 this season and had zero depth at QB during year 8 at freaking FSU. That’s pathetic. Texas A&M has money with high expectations and sit in the ass of the SEC. Not a legit situation. The FSU job is so watered down that Willie got it. He ain’t even a top 20 coach. Get with it Tate.TatetheGreat wrote:Yet they pulled Jimbo from Florida State. You talk a big game but know very little.chiefzona wrote:TatetheGreat wrote:You should check out an A&M forum if you want to know how they felt about Sumlin prior to getting canned. The threads look a lot like this one.
Texas A&M fans have zero credibility and think they have a 5 Star program. They haven’t won shit since 1939. It’s a bunch of white kids who think they deserve 10 wins a year. Not when you play in the same division as Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and Miss State. They’ll see when Fisher comes to town.
Also, Jimbo wasn't run out of town. He compiled a 83-23 record, including a 14-0 championship season and left because he was offered by a SEC school with bottomless pockets. Sumlin had a stable of elite QBs and they all transferred. College Station couldn't stand Sumlin, hence his firing. But A&M must be really dumb to give Jimbo all that money after ONE 5-6 season without his starting QB.
ramcat wrote:Like what I've seen and read about Baldwin. Hard not to like his resume and been west coast for awhile now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buildi ... au-baldwin" target="_blank
Sounded like he was awfully close for OR ST. Been head coach and won Nat Championship. Purportedly very responsible for Cals better than expected year, with the offense.chiefzona wrote:ramcat wrote:Like what I've seen and read about Baldwin. Hard not to like his resume and been west coast for awhile now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buildi ... au-baldwin" target="_blank
I’m a huge Beau Baldwin fan but he isn’t ready for a big gig yet.
I’d be psyched at how shitty this conference is. Put together a couple good recruiting classes on defense and dominate your way to an undefeated season in year 3.ramcat wrote:The way the PAC is playing in these bowl games can't help established coaches think it's viable for Nat Championship.
Here's the thing. I know people too. Some that have been involved with UA athletics longer than probably anyone here. They know Cecil and they think he sure as hell is HC material and right now. They also think it's a lock that he would bring Ricky Hunley in as almost a CO-HC, and that they would crush it recruiting in California.ramcat wrote:Ah...Sure would like to get some Alumni blood here. Any thought that Yates could go and have Cecil take over, maybe groomed for HC in year or two. Get Salave'a back, get some one to run a pro style offense, more of a Stanford model.
I like Chuck and all, but anyone who thinks the's HC material at the P5 level has serious homer glasses on. I'm also not sure what Ricky Hunley provides from a standpoint that we'd want him in such a prominent role on our coaching staff outside of the whole OMG he's an alum angle.jimson wrote:Here's the thing. I know people too. Some that have been involved with UA athletics longer than probably anyone here. They know Cecil and they think he sure as hell is HC material and right now. They also think it's a lock that he would bring Ricky Hunley in as almost a CO-HC, and that they would crush it recruiting in California.ramcat wrote:Ah...Sure would like to get some Alumni blood here. Any thought that Yates could go and have Cecil take over, maybe groomed for HC in year or two. Get Salave'a back, get some one to run a pro style offense, more of a Stanford model.
Everyone has an opinion, but I think that package would fire up the faithful one hell of a lot more than Kevin Sumlin.
As I've said before, that is the only "Fire RR" scenario that I would support this off season.
All I know is what Iv'e heard. They are veteran coaches and know how programs work.ChooChooCat wrote:
I like Chuck and all, but anyone who thinks the's HC material at the P5 level has serious homer glasses on. I'm also not sure what Ricky Hunley provides from a standpoint that we'd want him in such a prominent role on our coaching staff outside of the whole OMG he's an alum angle.
I don’t think top level recruits really care about whether someone is an alum of the school they coach or played in the NFL decades ago. They are looking for playing time, visibility, and a proven track record of getting similar talents to the NFL.jimson wrote:All I know is what Iv'e heard. They are veteran coaches and know how programs work.ChooChooCat wrote:
I like Chuck and all, but anyone who thinks the's HC material at the P5 level has serious homer glasses on. I'm also not sure what Ricky Hunley provides from a standpoint that we'd want him in such a prominent role on our coaching staff outside of the whole OMG he's an alum angle.
What they might provide is an NFL connection, California background, and most of all passion.
A better CEO model than they are attempting in Tempe IMO.
No matter who you get it's a risk of failure.
I realize few agree, but that would be my top choice for the future, as opposed to other unknowns and known career rehabs.
Well if we're comparing ourselves to the catastrophe that just took place up in Tempe then we're not striving for much jim.jimson wrote:All I know is what Iv'e heard. They are veteran coaches and know how programs work.ChooChooCat wrote:
I like Chuck and all, but anyone who thinks the's HC material at the P5 level has serious homer glasses on. I'm also not sure what Ricky Hunley provides from a standpoint that we'd want him in such a prominent role on our coaching staff outside of the whole OMG he's an alum angle.
What they might provide is an NFL connection, California background, and most of all passion.
A better CEO model than they are attempting in Tempe IMO.
No matter who you get it's a risk of failure.
I realize few agree, but that would be my top choice for the future, as opposed to other unknowns and known career rehabs.
Oh yeah, I know it's a small camp I'm in, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I Know there are Embree's but there are also Beamer's, Gundy's and Spurrier's. I'm not sure it's critical to have once been an HC at some little school somewhere to be one at a bigger school.ChooChooCat wrote:Well if we're comparing ourselves to the catastrophe that just took place up in Tempe then we're not striving for much jim.jimson wrote:All I know is what Iv'e heard. They are veteran coaches and know how programs work.ChooChooCat wrote:
I like Chuck and all, but anyone who thinks the's HC material at the P5 level has serious homer glasses on. I'm also not sure what Ricky Hunley provides from a standpoint that we'd want him in such a prominent role on our coaching staff outside of the whole OMG he's an alum angle.
What they might provide is an NFL connection, California background, and most of all passion.
A better CEO model than they are attempting in Tempe IMO.
No matter who you get it's a risk of failure.
I realize few agree, but that would be my top choice for the future, as opposed to other unknowns and known career rehabs.
I'm all for a qualified Arizona alum as the coach of our football team. I'm just personally of the belief that there is currently no qualified Arizona alum out there right now to be the head coach of the University of Arizona football team and if we go the route of hiring an alum for the sake of hiring an alum it'll go over the same way as Jon Embree did at Colorado. I'm a fan of Chuck and would love to have him as a coach on this staff with the possibility of him being groomed to take over in the future, but that's about it for me.
Not saying this article provides absolute credibility to Pendergast HC consideration but not sure it's a fair comparison to Embre and Colorado. Mentions him as potentials at HC at both college and NFL level.ChooChooCat wrote:See Jon Embree at Colorado for why you don't hire underqualified alums.ramcat wrote:Anyone with insight as to why Clancy Pendergast hasn't been given an opportunity?
AZ native born in Phoenix, Wildcat Alum with tons of experience and generally has had very Solid defenses. Seem to remember some awfully stout defenses at Cal.
Clancy let the Steelers run the same play? LMAO!!Postmaster wrote:Has Clancey recovered from letting the steelers run the same play twice in a row to beat the Cardinals?
Yet, I would pick them over anyone you would recommend, because I know the pedigree of people I talk to. All I know about you is that you think you are of enough importance that people come here to plagiarize you, And that somehow you may be some quasi agent who represents some HS kids or something.chiefzona wrote:Cecil and Hunley would make one big disaster. Most of the team had to look up Cecil after he was announced to find out who he was. Cecil and Hunley have zero recruiting connections and no one knows who they are for the exception of diehard Arizona fans. Go into the Zona Zoo and ask the 18-22 year olds who Chuck Cecil is. 4 out of 100 will know who he is. They are both position coaches only. To think otherwise is foolish and Homerist.
If Heeke hired Hunley or Cecil as HC I would demand Heeke be fired as soon as possiblejimson wrote:Yet, I would pick them over anyone you would recommend, because I know the pedigree of people I talk to. All I know about you is that you think you are of enough importance that people come here to plagiarize you, And that somehow you may be some quasi agent who represents some HS kids or something.chiefzona wrote:Cecil and Hunley would make one big disaster. Most of the team had to look up Cecil after he was announced to find out who he was. Cecil and Hunley have zero recruiting connections and no one knows who they are for the exception of diehard Arizona fans. Go into the Zona Zoo and ask the 18-22 year olds who Chuck Cecil is. 4 out of 100 will know who he is. They are both position coaches only. To think otherwise is foolish and Homerist.
Seriously, what the hell is your background that anyone should give you any credence?
Hunley and Cecil are lifelong position coaches for a reason. Cecil had one year as a DC, and was a disaster.PHXCATS wrote:If Heeke hired Hunley or Cecil as HC I would demand Heeke be fired as soon as possiblejimson wrote:Yet, I would pick them over anyone you would recommend, because I know the pedigree of people I talk to. All I know about you is that you think you are of enough importance that people come here to plagiarize you, And that somehow you may be some quasi agent who represents some HS kids or something.chiefzona wrote:Cecil and Hunley would make one big disaster. Most of the team had to look up Cecil after he was announced to find out who he was. Cecil and Hunley have zero recruiting connections and no one knows who they are for the exception of diehard Arizona fans. Go into the Zona Zoo and ask the 18-22 year olds who Chuck Cecil is. 4 out of 100 will know who he is. They are both position coaches only. To think otherwise is foolish and Homerist.
Seriously, what the hell is your background that anyone should give you any credence?
Damn me tooazgreg wrote:Every time I see this thread bumped I'm expecting that RR has been fired.
Well I brought you and chief together on something. My work here is done.PHXCATS wrote:
If Heeke hired Hunley or Cecil as HC I would demand Heeke be fired as soon as possible
Hunley has been a DC and an associate HC.Merkin wrote:
Hunley and Cecil are lifelong position coaches for a reason. Cecil had one year as a DC, and was a disaster.
I agree, look at the Stoops' failure.TheBuffet wrote:Sorry, the place to test unproven Head Coaches is not the P5 level.
ramcat wrote:Chip kelly did pretty well.
