Arizona Coaching Search

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:41 am

If it's a done deal why wait at all?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:45 am

azgreg wrote:If it's a done deal why wait at all?

1. Coaching hires are always typically announced during the work week
2. If he's officially hired by U of A prior to his ESPN appearance then he won't get paid by ESPN for his appearance.
3. With all that said I have no idea if he is truly the guy and if he will be announced on Tuesday, but those would be the reasons why we'd wait.

Also on another note Heeke is going to interview numerous guys this weekend at the coaching conference in Charlotte. Even if Sumlin is wrapped up he'd do these interviews for 1. Favors and 2. Have a back up plan set in case things fall between the cracks with Sumlin.

So much shit could be going on right now and I certainly wouldn't take anything this aplayersprogramu.com guy has to say to heart one bit.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:54 am

If it is Sumlin and if he is officially hired and announced Tuesday then word will come out tomorrow or Monday. Will still get the good press by him being on ESPN on Monday of true.

I know Sumlin and his staff will npbe more expensive. Hope the new ticket sales plus donor involvement helps that.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:27 am

PHXCATS wrote:
I know Sumlin and his staff will be more expensive. Hope the new ticket sales plus donor involvement helps that.

Sumlin will receive over $10M from A&M. Hopefully he will come in at a discount like RichRod did. Maybe use the extra cash for some elite position coaches.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:30 am

azgreg wrote:If it's a done deal why wait at all?

To expand on Choo’s #1 point, you want to walk the tightrope of announcing during a time when your news won’t be drowned out by other stories but also when people have interest in your sport in a general sense. I’d wait until you start to hear stories about the CFB national champ repeated for a second or third time. So I’d want to run the back channel rumors this weekend and make the official announcement about 18 hours after the championship game so you can be the second story after whatever Bama or Georgia stories are left to report.

If we don’t hear anything by Friday, I would think something went wrong with our top choice and we’re interviewing others and reaching out to a few more. In which case, strap in. It might get a little choppy.

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:37 am

Hmm. To good to be true. I fully expect BJ Denker to be the next head coach.

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:56 am

Gilbertcat wrote:Hmm. To good to be true. I fully expect BJ Denker to be the next head coach.

FYI, Denker was a GA under Sumlin for two years.

Could be Arizona QB coach.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:25 pm

Who the Hell knows...

https://twitter.com/JasonScheer/status/ ... 1773289473" target="_blank

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:33 pm

ramcat wrote:Who the Hell knows...

https://twitter.com/JasonScheer/status/ ... 1773289473" target="_blank

I like Beau Baldwin. Had solid Success at Eastern/Central Washington as the HC. I just don't know how well he recruits.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:43 pm

I like Baldwin but he doesn't win the press conference.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:45 pm

azgreg wrote:I like Baldwin but he doesn't win the press conference.

Would agree, and as a consequence jump the attendance meter.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:48 pm

azgreg wrote:I like Baldwin but he doesn't win the press conference.

I'm a huge BB fan. You're right....he doesn't win the press conference.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:50 pm

I brought up Baldwin a couple of days ago on Twitter. He's the back up option.

tgrumpy2 · Post by **tgrumpy2** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:18 pm

Chicat wrote:
azgreg wrote:If it's a done deal why wait at all?
To expand on Choo’s #1 point, you want to walk the tightrope of announcing during a time when your news won’t be drowned out by other stories but also when people have interest in your sport in a general sense. I’d wait until you start to hear stories about the CFB national champ repeated for a second or third time. So I’d want to run the back channel rumors this weekend and make the official announcement about 18 hours after the championship game so you can be the second story after whatever Bama or Georgia stories are left to report.

If we don’t hear anything by Friday, I would think something went wrong with our top choice and we’re interviewing others and reaching out to a few more. In which case, strap in. It might get a little choppy.

Actually I think announcing a new head coach will get everyone's attention off the other crap.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:22 pm

chiefzona wrote:I brought up Baldwin a couple of days ago on Twitter. He's the back up option.

ramcat wrote:
Like what I've seen and read about Baldwin. Hard not to like his resume and been west coast for awhile now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buildi" target="_blank ... au-baldwin

I’m a huge Beau Baldwin fan but he isn’t ready for a big gig yet.

The above from when this went down, but on twitter all in?

https://twitter.com/Chiefzona1472/statu ... 8136473601" target="_blank

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:12 pm

ramcat wrote:
chiefzona wrote:I brought up Baldwin a couple of days ago on Twitter. He's the back up option.
ramcat wrote:
Like what I've seen and read about Baldwin. Hard not to like his resume and been west coast for awhile now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buildi" target="_blank ... au-baldwin

I’m a huge Beau Baldwin fan but he isn’t ready for a big gig yet.

The above from when this went down, but on twitter all in?

https://twitter.com/Chiefzona1472/statu ... 8136473601" target="_blank

Yeah. I have followed his career for awhile now and I really like the guy. He could get a pretty solid staff. He’s a very smart coach.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:29 pm

Never thought I'd see the day I am throwing Chief a follow on twitter. The sky is falling.

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:31 pm

Anyone know how Beau Baldwin is as a recruiter?

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:41 pm

OSUCat wrote:Anyone know how Beau Baldwin is as a recruiter?

Has one year in the Pac so small sample size. He got the most out of a little at EWU.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:50 pm

chiefzona wrote:
ramcat wrote:
chiefzona wrote:I brought up Baldwin a couple of days ago on Twitter. He's the back up option.
ramcat wrote:
Like what I've seen and read about Baldwin. Hard not to like his resume and been west coast for awhile now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buildi" target="_blank ... au-baldwin

I’m a huge Beau Baldwin fan but he isn’t ready for a big gig yet.

The above from when this went down, but on twitter all in?

https://twitter.com/Chiefzona1472/statu ... 8136473601" target="_blank
Yeah. I have followed his career for awhile now and I really like the guy. He could get a pretty solid staff. He’s a very smart coach.

So, on 2nd thought not too big a gig?

Sounds like in brief time at Cal, made a Big impression!

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:52 pm

If we go coordinator route, I wouldn't be upset. Curious to see the staff he would put together.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:57 pm

I was bored this evening so I decided to give a statistical Head-to-Head look at Les Miles vs. Kevin Sumlin

The 6 categories I looked at were:

1) Head to head win/loss record
2) Average Conference Finish (only in the SEC 2012-2016)
3) Lifetime Winning Percentage
4) Avg. National Recruiting Rank (Scout) (only 2012-2016)
5) Avg. Total Defense - National Rank (only 2012-2016)
6) Avg. Total Offense - National Rank (only 2012-2016)

Results:

1) Head/Head Miles 4-0 (Miles was fired in the 4th game of the 2016 season)
2) Avg. Conf. Finish Miles 3.4, Sumlin 4.4
3) Lifetime Winning % Miles 71.9, Sumlin 66.6
4) Avg. National Recruiting Miles 5.6, Sumlin 11.8
5) Avg. Total Defense Miles 5.4, Sumlin 84.2
6) Avg. Total Offense Sumlin 23.5 Miles 62.4

The numbers alone show that Miles wins in 5 out of the 6 categories.
I realize that there are numerous factors that can affect these numbers (assistant coaches, home field advantage, facilities, etc)
but a simple, non-biased look at the numbers would suggest that Sumlin is NOT the slam dunk better coach over Miles. If the UA
were to hire Miles along with a top notch Offensive coordinator..........................................................................

ALASKACAT · Post by **ALASKACAT** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:35 am

I could warm up to Beau Baldwin...Who was that QB he had at Eastern Washington who grad transferred to Oregon a few years ago?

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:40 am

ALASKACAT wrote:I could warm up to Beau Baldwin...Who was that QB he had at Eastern Washington who grad transferred to Oregon a few years ago?

Vernon Adams

ALASKACAT · Post by **ALASKACAT** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:53 am

Thanks Chief!

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:19 am

ramcat wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
ramcat wrote:
chiefzona wrote:I brought up Baldwin a couple of days ago on Twitter. He's the back up option.
ramcat wrote:
Like what I've seen and read about Baldwin. Hard not to like his resume and been west coast for awhile now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buildi" target="_blank ... au-baldwin

I’m a huge Beau Baldwin fan but he isn’t ready for a big gig yet.

The above from when this went down, but on twitter all in?

https://twitter.com/Chiefzona1472/statu ... 8136473601" target="_blank
Yeah. I have followed his career for awhile now and I really like the guy. He could get a pretty solid staff. He’s a very smart coach.
So, on 2nd thought not too big a gig?

Sounds like in brief time at Cal, made a Big impression!

His EWU days and his handling of QBs along with potent offenses and good defenses made a big impression on me. I think he is one of the next good football minds to emerge from the shadows.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:20 am

WR Cooper Cupp making an impact in NFL as well.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:21 am

btfd16 wrote:Never thought I'd see the day I am throwing Chief a follow on twitter. The sky is falling.

We’ll have fun buddy. Experts tell me that I’m a good follow so I can’t be too bad!

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:45 am

chiefzona wrote:
btfd16 wrote:Never thought I'd see the day I am throwing Chief a follow on twitter. The sky is falling.

We’ll have fun buddy. Experts tell me that I’m a good follow so I can’t be too bad!

Wait.... is ChiefZona Al Franken's 2nd act, reviving Stuart Smalley?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:18 pm

Curious what assistants Baldwin could bring with him. Vibe I'm getting is if it's not Sumlin it is going to be Baldwin.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:18 pm

Miles with Baldwin as the OC and future HC, I can dream

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:37 pm

Some Good background on Sumlin. Interesting was born in same, really small town as Fred Snowden in Alabama.

http://allsportstucson.com/2018/01/06/n ... ext-coach/" target="_blank

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:04 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Curious what assistants Baldwin could bring with him. Vibe I'm getting is if it's not Sumlin it is going to be Baldwin.

His old OC is the OC at Utah

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:45 pm

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:50 pm

Not sure what that is saying.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:54 pm

They picked up Kyle Wittingham and flew to LA to meet with his agent/coordinators? LOL

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:04 pm

So...we just fired up the flight tracker, did we?

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:22 pm

Up and down. Today not feeling it will be sumlin. Actually not happy about the other options.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:35 pm

Asking for too much money I guess

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:38 pm

OSUCat wrote:Not sure what that is saying.

Could indicate a plane was sent to SLC to pick up Heeke and take him to LA to meet a candidate, which would explain why so many AD folks were in Boulder but Heeke wasn’t.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:43 pm

Chicat wrote:
OSUCat wrote:Not sure what that is saying.

Could indicate a plane was sent to SLC to pick up Heeke and take him to LA to meet a candidate, which would explain why so many AD folks were in Boulder but Heeke wasn’t.

LA... Tee Martin?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:45 pm

Fwiw if we hire Beau Baldwin I would very much like that hire. Sumlin obviously checks all the boxes we should be looking for, but if we can't afford him or we don't have what he's looking for that's fine. If you want somebody to be mad at look no further than Captain Hairplugs running the conference and in turn our financials into the ground. Baldwin is a very good coach, he's young, he's hungry, he's very bright and in the end he could honestly be the best possible hire we could make especially due to the money we initially will save with the hire. Time will tell obviously and Beau wouldn't sell any tickets next season, but in the long run he may be the perfect choice.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:46 pm

btfd16 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
OSUCat wrote:Not sure what that is saying.

Could indicate a plane was sent to SLC to pick up Heeke and take him to LA to meet a candidate, which would explain why so many AD folks were in Boulder but Heeke wasn’t.
LA... Tee Martin?

Mark Helfrich or Beau Baldwin make way more sense,

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:53 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Fwiw if we hire Beau Baldwin I would very much like that hire.

He seems like a very good offensive mind and OC. If the AD could swing something smart like hire him as head coach and also to be his own OC (so we don't have to pay a separate one) for like $2M a year, that might leave enough for something like $1.5M for a mad defensive coordinator to go with Beau.

How these things get structured are so important, but if they could pull something like that off...

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:06 pm

SCCats wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Fwiw if we hire Beau Baldwin I would very much like that hire.
He seems like a very good offensive mind and OC. If the AD could swing something smart like hire him as head coach and also to be his own OC (so we don't have to pay a separate one) for like $2M a year, that might leave enough for something like $1.5M for a mad defensive coordinator to go with Beau.

How these things get structured are so important, but if they could pull something like that off...

Well we're going to hire an OC, but it'll just be like how it was with Arizona and Calvin Magee/Rod Smith as Co-OCs. Rich Rod was the real offensive coordinator obviously and it'd be the same with Baldwin.

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:17 pm

Chicat wrote:
OSUCat wrote:Not sure what that is saying.

Could indicate a plane was sent to SLC to pick up Heeke and take him to LA to meet a candidate, which would explain why so many AD folks were in Boulder but Heeke wasn’t.

Maybe picking Baldwin’s former OC that had just accepted the OC job at Utah before heading to Baldwin?

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:02 pm

If its Baldwin, I think a lot of fans will take a wait and see approach.

I for one just hope he can recruit.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:28 pm

It's Baldwin, and it's pretty obvious :/

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:32 pm

RondaeShimmy wrote:It's Baldwin, and it's pretty obvious :/

It's not a matter of Baldwin being a decent coach that could do things. It's a matter of who else is out there. If this is the hire, attendance was not the number 1 priority. Not a single person in the demographic we highlighted earlier knows who Beau Baldwin is.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:33 pm

I am disappointed that's for sure.

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