Best/Worst analysts/commentators/announcers

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:39 am

Olsondogg wrote:Bill Walton is not the problem, it's the counterpart. Bill is fine with Roxy or others, not nearly the schtick that the sideshow Pasch has become.

And Pasch is a phenomenal play-by-play guy without Bill - I've heard him do other games including college football and NBA games.

I can't stand the whole picture-in-picture where ESPN focuses on Bill over the basketball being played, so I'm putting the majority of the blame on Bill being in attendance. But if all it takes is separating these two to get the best out of each then please by all means.

I don't give a shit about Pasch's faith or Bill's love of solar. I'm here for the basketball.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:41 am

YoDeFoe wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Bill Walton is not the problem, it's the counterpart. Bill is fine with Roxy or others, not nearly the schtick that the sideshow Pasch has become.
And Pasch is a phenomenal play-by-play guy without Bill - I've heard him do other games including college football and NBA games.

I can't stand the whole picture-in-picture where ESPN focuses on Bill over the basketball being played, so I'm putting the majority of the blame on Bill being in attendance. But if all it takes is separating these two to get the best out of each then please by all means.

I don't give a shit about Pasch's faith or Bill's love of solar. I'm here for the basketball.

ESPN wants "personalities" on everything. Someone thinks that them together is awesome, and it isn't anyone watching the broadcast.

But guys, it would be sooooooo much worse...thank whatever deity you believe in that Dakich isn't doing games.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:36 am

Olsondogg wrote:But guys, it would be sooooooo much worse...thank whatever deity you believe in that Dakich isn't doing games.

To the old gods (not older than 6,000 years) and the new (shout out solar).

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:03 pm

Who know who loves this thread. ESPN

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:11 pm

PHXCATS wrote:Who know who loves this thread. ESPN

This thread provides zero advertising revenue or viewership. So “love” is probably the wrong word.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:44 am

I get frustrated by the split screen thing but that duo is my favorite, it's like if me and my buddy open a bait shop when we are 65, it will be like that, and people will shop for flies and some will enjoy our antics others will tolerate us.... it's early, my analogy is poorly worded but anyway. Funny

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:47 am

I love Bill in games vs teams like Oregon St and Washington St, but hate him in games vs UCLA or any other highly competitive game

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:55 am

YoDeFoe wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Bill Walton is not the problem, it's the counterpart. Bill is fine with Roxy or others, not nearly the schtick that the sideshow Pasch has become.
And Pasch is a phenomenal play-by-play guy without Bill - I've heard him do other games including college football and NBA games.

I can't stand the whole picture-in-picture where ESPN focuses on Bill over the basketball being played, so I'm putting the majority of the blame on Bill being in attendance. But if all it takes is separating these two to get the best out of each then please by all means.

I don't give a shit about Pasch's faith or Bill's love of solar. I'm here for the basketball.

Did you stick around for Bill's interview (of sorts) with Kenny Mayne, though? That was pure gold. I can only imagine Bill Murray being better at it. It was beautiful, and perhaps some of it was the post-win glow, but I knew we were winning for a while. That interview had me in stitches, and sometimes it was rather poignant. Bill can pivot back to hoops whenever he wants, and his observations, when not tongue in cheek, are solid.

I dunno...I hate "ZY Banana, look at the 2 gap, jargon, jargon" analysts. MFer, I can see it. It is on TV. If the viewer cares, they see it. Show something subtle a team did, or a change up and roll back against a prior possession...analyze. But don't squeeze the life out of the game and turn it to algebra. First of all, the idea that you have to have played the game to properly analyze is horseshit. Most professional athletes, especially football, have been on one side of the ball, and mostly in positional work, and have that X/O knowledge, but zero observational ability. The best analysts observe the entire human circus of sport and find the areas that need talk. Howard Cosell called the Jock in Booth craze "The Jockocracy". I agree with him. Bill tries to make that Jock Seat one of fun and frivolity and humor. Most of the time, if a game is tight, or a possession important, he reigns in.

I do prefer him with Ted Robinson or even Roxy, as he respects the hell out of the former and probably doesn't feel the latter can withstand the onslaught as well as Pasch. But I love me some Bill. He adds color to an increasingly boring and parity-filled college hoops landscape.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:04 am

Alieberman wrote:I love Bill in games vs teams like Oregon St and Washington St, but hate him in games vs UCLA or any other highly competitive game

That's about where I'm at and that's why I'll mute Walton in a big game. He'll punch up a bad game, but I don't really need it in a close, competitive game.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:25 am

A solution would be for the broadcaster to flash text on the screen to announce calls on the floor. Bill often doesn't address what just happened. Is it a foul? On whom? If we were at the game, we'd hear the announcement. If Pasch could call the game and Bill commented on the game, we'd know the call.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:45 am

Longhorned wrote:A solution would be for the broadcaster to flash text on the screen to announce calls on the floor. Bill often doesn't address what just happened. Is it a foul? On whom? If we were at the game, we'd hear the announcement. If Pasch could call the game and Bill commented on the game, we'd know the call.

If you encourage broadcasters to flash things, Walton is going to get confused and do games pantsless.

Siempre Verde · Post by **Siempre Verde** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:03 am

Can’t stand the personality, over-hype machine that Bill and Dave have become (following in Vitale’s footsteps, of course) on the “World Wide Leader.” I actually like Bill when paired with Roxy. It seems to me that Roxy is willing to put up with Bill being Bill, and will even play along, but can reign him in deftly when it comes time to get back to the game. His Bill management is often something to behold.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:45 am

Siempre Verde wrote:Can’t stand the personality, over-hype machine that Bill and Dave have become (following in Vitale’s footsteps, of course) on the “World Wide Leader.” I actually like Bill when paired with Roxy. It seems to me that Roxy is willing to put up with Bill being Bill, and will even play along, but can reign him in deftly when it comes time to get back to the game. His Bill management is often something to behold.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:13 pm

Tom Crean is really really good

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:33 pm

NYCat wrote:Tom Crean is really really good

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:07 pm

Watching the ASU game with Pasch and Fran Fraschilla was incredible and a nice change from Walton....Watching Walton now in the UCLA game reminded me of just how horrible he is IMHO.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:10 am

Dan hicks and bode miller are awful on olympic skiing.

And not even talking about them declaring a winner with 20 skiers still waiting their turns.

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:23 pm

Postmaster wrote:Dan hicks and bode miller are awful on olympic skiing.

And not even talking about them declaring a winner with 20 skiers still waiting their turns.

Miller just was complaining about the line the Italian skier was taking... And she ended up putting up the fastest time :facemeetpalm:

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:34 pm

Frybry02 wrote:
Postmaster wrote:Dan hicks and bode miller are awful on olympic skiing.

And not even talking about them declaring a winner with 20 skiers still waiting their turns.
Miller just was complaining about the line the Italian skier was taking... And she ended up putting up the fastest time :facemeetpalm:

Well...because Bode would have gone outside the blue, around a tree, stopped to take a hit, started back up around the fence, and placed 2nd.

At least in his early days. Late Bode became a machine.

One of the things children robbed me of, other than sanity and savings, is being able to follow WC skiing closer. But I love them. I do. Almost every second of the day.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:03 pm

Not impressed with lavin tonight, quiet, uninteresting, however easy to tune out.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:11 pm

Jody seems to be enjoying himself.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:23 pm

I wonder how much he'll be enjoying himself when he has to come up with pedestrian stories for a third rate BB program.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:27 pm

From Conference of Champions to Conference of Cheaters?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:42 pm

Fuck You Dick Vitale

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:38 pm

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:13 pm

Bill Walton being personally offended and depressed by the allegations is peak Bill Walton.

How many shrooms is he going to need to get past this spiritually?

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:24 pm

The hypocrisy is real

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:16 pm

Keep picking at that scab Dave Pasch. And don’t bother talking about what is a great game.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:57 pm

Chicat wrote:Keep picking at that scab Dave Pasch. And don’t bother talking about what is a great game.

I was going to kill pasch tonight! Holy hell!

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:59 pm

I muted the commentary the last 8 minutes of the game. Pasch can go F off.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:22 pm

WildcatStunner wrote:I muted the commentary the last 8 minutes of the game. Pasch can go F off.

I muted at 4 minutes into the first half. Checked back 3 minutes before halftime and re-muted immediately. Sound on at the beginning of the half but then turned it back off after a few minutes. Cycle repeated a couple times until I turned it off for good with seven minutes left.

It’s so weird watching a game in total silence. But infinitely better than hearing Pasch regurgitate a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors over and over and over and over again even though there was an actual game going on. If I was an Oregon fan, I’d be even more pissed.

Fuck ESPN.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:25 pm

I’ll just leave this here cause December was so long ago and this scandal involved rape (yet again) and not players getting paid.

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... estigation" target="_blank

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:58 pm

Doug Gottlieb and Gary Parish are fighting on Twitter about Pastner.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:09 pm

Charles is so fucking funny

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:19 pm

Booger McFarland and Jason Witten are fucking terrible.

prh · Post by **prh** » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:46 pm

Chicat wrote:Booger McFarland and Jason Witten are fucking terrible.

Honestly I think Tess is bad too. But yeah those two guys are embarrassingly bad

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:55 am

Hmmmmm.... got DukieV on one channel and Dan Dickich on the other?

Guess I’m watching college football.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:44 pm

Chicat wrote:Hmmmmm.... got DukieV on one channel and Dan Dickich on the other?

Guess I’m watching college football.

Mute button is helpful.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:51 pm

zonagrad wrote:
Chicat wrote:Hmmmmm.... got DukieV on one channel and Dan Dickich on the other?

Guess I’m watching college football.
Mute button is helpful.

Not watching hurts ESPN more.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:25 pm

So the latest ESPN atrocity, I mean “innovation” is Jimmy Dykes (one of the biggest assholes in broadcasting) taking his pompous self onto the court during timeouts to instruct us on some incredibly salient point. And then refusing to leave the court until he finishes his commentary even though the players and refs are coming back onto the court to try to play a basketball game. I think it was Brandon Randolph giving him the side eye during one of our games and trying to process why this jerkoff was in the middle of the court while he’s trying to set up an inbounds play.

Does anybody remember a 100 years ago when NBC (I think) experimented with broadcasting NFL games without announcers? If only . . .

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:16 pm

If Dykes ever tries to pull that crap in a Pac-12 game, I hope the refs inbound it and run right over him. He is the Craig James of college basketball.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:29 pm

ESPN + Dykes = Douche 3D

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:31 am

Walton doing any game is an awful thing for me to listen to.

Walton during a loss like last night makes me want to pierce my ear drums with a shard of broken glass.

Someone made the mistake quite some time ago of telling him that everyone loves his schtick. I hope that person gets a venereal disease that makes their dick turn blue and fall off.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:10 am

Chicat wrote:Walton doing any game is an awful thing for me to listen to.

Walton during a loss like last night makes me want to pierce my ear drums with a shard of broken glass.

Someone made the mistake quite some time ago of telling him that everyone loves his schtick. I hope that person gets a venereal disease that makes their dick turn blue and fall off.

OTOH, imagine how Walton felt having to broadcast that crappola-fest last night....

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:58 am

pc in NM wrote:
Chicat wrote:Walton doing any game is an awful thing for me to listen to.

Walton during a loss like last night makes me want to pierce my ear drums with a shard of broken glass.

Someone made the mistake quite some time ago of telling him that everyone loves his schtick. I hope that person gets a venereal disease that makes their dick turn blue and fall off.
OTOH, imagine how Walton felt having to broadcast that crappola-fest last night....

Do you honestly think Walton cares? How many times did he say he knew nothing about Baylor? He’s a parody of a joke at this point.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:04 am

I don't think Walton even prepares in terms of basketball.

He mixed up a couple of Baylor players a couple of times, Vital and someone else.

My dad listens to the local Tucson radio broadcast while watching the UA games. He especially hates Lavin, not sure why. As a former coach, Lavin brings a lot of insight into the game that non players and former players may not have.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:19 am

Chicat wrote:
pc in NM wrote:
Chicat wrote:Walton doing any game is an awful thing for me to listen to.

Walton during a loss like last night makes me want to pierce my ear drums with a shard of broken glass.

Someone made the mistake quite some time ago of telling him that everyone loves his schtick. I hope that person gets a venereal disease that makes their dick turn blue and fall off.
OTOH, imagine how Walton felt having to broadcast that crappola-fest last night....
Do you honestly think Walton cares? How many times did he say he knew nothing about Baylor? He’s a parody of a joke at this point.

In fact, I do think he “cares”. He’s well-known to be a perfectionist, and for having (impossibly) high standards for (his own, and others’) performance...

Last night’s game was a horrible performance throughout by both teams - “basketbawful” - and impossible to derive any enjoyment from, regardless of being invested in either team, or merely a college basketball fan. Both announcers had to fill the time with something- I doubt ANY announcer or commentator would have enjoyed that assignment....

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:21 am

Walton's awesome...I'll skip the in depth analysis on how bad we are

RiseAndFire · Post by **RiseAndFire** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:34 am

Walton’s got one thing right and he says it repeatedly during UA games - it all comes down to offense, something Miller has never grasped in 10 years of his myopic emphasis on pack-line defense.Not even top recruits and #1 draft picks will get you anywhere in March with this awful system

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:48 am

pc in NM wrote:
Chicat wrote:
pc in NM wrote:
Chicat wrote:Walton doing any game is an awful thing for me to listen to.

Walton during a loss like last night makes me want to pierce my ear drums with a shard of broken glass.

Someone made the mistake quite some time ago of telling him that everyone loves his schtick. I hope that person gets a venereal disease that makes their dick turn blue and fall off.
OTOH, imagine how Walton felt having to broadcast that crappola-fest last night....
Do you honestly think Walton cares? How many times did he say he knew nothing about Baylor? He’s a parody of a joke at this point.
In fact, I do think he “cares”. He’s well-known to be a perfectionist, and for having (impossibly) high standards for (his own, and others’) performance...

Holy shit, thank you. I needed that.

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