Allonzo Trier

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:27 pm

It's comical at this point

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:29 pm

Worst metabolism ever or what the hell did he take?

splitsecond · Post by **splitsecond** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:31 pm

the NCAA is a joke.

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:32 pm

I mean if he took it again he deserves to be gone, but the more likely scenario that it’s remnants from last year then i feel terrible for the kid.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:33 pm

I imagine this explains 97's rant today. Sean must be demoralized

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:34 pm

Fu#k me, I'm getting hammered tonight. Nothing going right with our cats. Just want a little sports joy

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:35 pm

Wellp. I just hope we don't lose in the first round before Miller quits or is fired

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:36 pm

This has been one circus of a season. UGH

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:37 pm

Is this serious?

I think I'm done with sports.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:41 pm

Yea I don't think I can even put out any effort to care anymore. It's rewarded with a big ol shit on all of our chests

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:43 pm

He was tested every 7 to 10 days until he was cleared last year. This doesn't make any sense unless he took something again

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:45 pm

Arizona is appealing the suspension for the positive test, which the school argues is not a result of renewed PED use, but a residual trace of the steroid Ostarine in Trier’s system from 2016. That’s when Trier first tested positive for PED use, causing him to miss 19 games last season. Trier’s attorney Steve Thompson said Trier original ingestion of Ostarine was inadvertent and came as the result of his stepfather mixing it in a drink for the player.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:47 pm

Ray Smith tears his ACL 3 times.

Wisconsin beats us twice in the EE.

Zo pops dirty twice for the same thing twice.

I can't emotionally invest in this any more.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:49 pm

Jefe wrote:He was tested every 7 to 10 days until he was cleared last year. This doesn't make any sense unless he took something again

That’s what I think as well and makes the most sense medically.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:50 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Ray Smith tears his ACL 3 times.

Wisconsin beats us twice in the EE.

Zo pops dirty twice for the same thing twice.

I can't emotionally invest in this any more.

Me either and I’m done

And I’m fucking flying to Oregon in two days.

Maybe I’ll pass on the game and just get drunk in a dive bar away from the fam and kids.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:50 pm

I remember when kids just smoked weed

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:50 pm

He didn't take anything, the ostarine is stored in his fat and his body metabolized it hence why such a ridiculously small trace popped up. The NCAA doesn't know wtf they're doing in regards to testing for this. This isn't Zo's fault.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:51 pm

Also from the Yahoo! article

Thompson said the situation is similar to that of former Georgia offensive lineman Kolton Houston, who tested positive for a PED shortly after enrolling at the school in 2010 and still had traces of it in his system nearly three years later. Houston finally had a clean test in the summer of 2013 and was eligible to play.

“The NCAA’s intransigence on this issue is mind-boggling,” Thompson said. “Allonzo has never been a drug-cheat, and the NCAA found in 2016 that he never took Ostarine intentionally. The experts tell us Ostarine can be stored in fatty tissues for a long time, and tests can be negative but then later be positive as the substance comes out. The medical evidence also shows that the reappearance of a trace amount in his system now creates absolutely zero competitive advantage. We’ve asked the NCAA’s medical panel to review the case – as the rules provide – and the NCAA has refused. This is so frustrating and unnecessary, especially at this time of the season and Allonzo’s career.”

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:52 pm

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. That’s all I have to say.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:54 pm

splitsecond wrote:the NCAA is a joke.

How so, there is measurable amounts of a banned substance in a test.

The NCAA did us a huge favor before. Hopefully they can continue to test often again.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:55 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:He didn't take anything, the ostarine is stored in his fat and his body metabolized it hence why such a ridiculously small trace popped up. The NCAA doesn't know wtf they're doing in regards to testing for this. This isn't Zo's fault.

This. Some PED's can be in there for years and the NCAA has a crazy policy of sitting people with NO CHANCE the substance is still active.

If Trier ingested it again, it would be obvious from the amount and there would be no appeal.

I give up. We've run out of ways for fate to screw us and now we're repeating things. Why do I waste any part of my life on something that's just going to hose us in the end?

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:57 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
splitsecond wrote:the NCAA is a joke.
How so, there is measurable amounts of a banned substance in a test.

The NCAA did us a huge favor before. Hopefully they can continue to test often again.

They are refusing a re-test and just fucked us for the tourney. Dude, get a clue.

prh · Post by **prh** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:01 pm

I'm on board split

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:02 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
splitsecond wrote:the NCAA is a joke.
How so, there is measurable amounts of a banned substance in a test.

The NCAA did us a huge favor before. Hopefully they can continue to test often again.
They are refusing a re-test and just fucked us for the tourney. Dude, get a clue.

“The NCAA’s intransigence on this issue is mind-boggling,” Thompson said. “Allonzo has never been a drug-cheat, and the NCAA found in 2016 that he never took Ostarine intentionally. The experts tell us Ostarine can be stored in fatty tissues for a long time, and tests can be negative but then later be positive as the substance comes out. The medical evidence also shows that the reappearance of a trace amount in his system now creates absolutely zero competitive advantage. We’ve asked the NCAA’s medical panel to review the case – as the rules provide – and the NCAA has refused. This is so frustrating and unnecessary, especially at this time of the season and Allonzo’s career.”

Thompson said the school requested a medical exception from the NCAA to allow Trier to continue playing, but that request was rejected Thursday and he was declared ineligible. Penalty for a second positive PED test would be a one-year suspension from competition.

No mention of time for the review so it could still happen and Trier was not suspended for a year so there is hope, dude.

splitsecond · Post by **splitsecond** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:02 pm

prh wrote:I'm on board split

deleted my post, don't feel like getting accused of personal attacks. but yeah.

SteveKerrsStroke · Post by **SteveKerrsStroke** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:03 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
splitsecond wrote:the NCAA is a joke.
How so, there is measurable amounts of a banned substance in a test.

The NCAA did us a huge favor before. Hopefully they can continue to test often again.
They are refusing a re-test and just fucked us for the tourney. Dude, get a clue.

Where did you see they're refusing a re-test?

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:03 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
splitsecond wrote:the NCAA is a joke.
How so, there is measurable amounts of a banned substance in a test.

The NCAA did us a huge favor before. Hopefully they can continue to test often again.

Clearly this negligible amount is his system is the reason for his better defense and more consistency of late.

Ny cat, Thanks for the info above, I was not aware that this substance could be metabolized that far into the future.

prh · Post by **prh** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:04 pm

splitsecond wrote:
prh wrote:I'm on board split
deleted my post, don't feel like getting accused of personal attacks. but yeah.

well take out a bunch of adjectives and i think it'd be fine. and have plenty of support

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:04 pm

Hey guys what's up

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:05 pm

SteveKerrsStroke wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
splitsecond wrote:the NCAA is a joke.
How so, there is measurable amounts of a banned substance in a test.

The NCAA did us a huge favor before. Hopefully they can continue to test often again.
They are refusing a re-test and just fucked us for the tourney. Dude, get a clue.
Where did you see they're refusing a re-test?

"We’ve asked the NCAA’s medical panel to review the case – as the rules provide – and the NCAA has refused. This is so frustrating and unnecessary, especially at this time of the season and Allonzo’s career.”

Thompson said the school requested a medical exception from the NCAA to allow Trier to continue playing, but that request was rejected Thursday and he was declared ineligible. Penalty for a second positive PED test would be a one-year suspension from competition."

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:07 pm

BBQ wildcat wrote:
SteveKerrsStroke wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
splitsecond wrote:the NCAA is a joke.
How so, there is measurable amounts of a banned substance in a test.

The NCAA did us a huge favor before. Hopefully they can continue to test often again.
They are refusing a re-test and just fucked us for the tourney. Dude, get a clue.
Where did you see they're refusing a re-test?
"We’ve asked the NCAA’s medical panel to review the case – as the rules provide – and the NCAA has refused. This is so frustrating and unnecessary, especially at this time of the season and Allonzo’s career.”

Thompson said the school requested a medical exception from the NCAA to allow Trier to continue playing, but that request was rejected Thursday and he was declared ineligible. Penalty for a second positive PED test would be a one-year suspension from competition."

Could be timing. If they asked today or this week then what can you do? Heeke and the lawyers will work on this with the NCAA if he is allowed a medical panel review.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:08 pm

I honestly don't care if I see any personal attacks on Machina... I'm so sick of the BS he brings here day in and day out just to be contrarian.

splitsecond · Post by **splitsecond** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:09 pm

prh wrote:
splitsecond wrote:
prh wrote:I'm on board split
deleted my post, don't feel like getting accused of personal attacks. but yeah.
well take out a bunch of adjectives and i think it'd be fine. and have plenty of support

I need to learn to control my hyperbole

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:09 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
splitsecond wrote:the NCAA is a joke.
How so, there is measurable amounts of a banned substance in a test.

The NCAA did us a huge favor before. Hopefully they can continue to test often again.
They are refusing a re-test and just fucked us for the tourney. Dude, get a clue.

“The NCAA’s intransigence on this issue is mind-boggling,” Thompson said. “Allonzo has never been a drug-cheat, and the NCAA found in 2016 that he never took Ostarine intentionally. The experts tell us Ostarine can be stored in fatty tissues for a long time, and tests can be negative but then later be positive as the substance comes out. The medical evidence also shows that the reappearance of a trace amount in his system now creates absolutely zero competitive advantage. We’ve asked the NCAA’s medical panel to review the case – as the rules provide – and the NCAA has refused. This is so frustrating and unnecessary, especially at this time of the season and Allonzo’s career.”

Thompson said the school requested a medical exception from the NCAA to allow Trier to continue playing, but that request was rejected Thursday and he was declared ineligible. Penalty for a second positive PED test would be a one-year suspension from competition.
No mention of time for the review so it could still happen and Trier was not suspended for a year so there is hope, dude.

Look, this is not the right time for faux optimism and respect for the NCAA. I originally considered posting a personal attack and directly telling you to do unspeakable things to yourself.

I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt and say you don't realize how you're coming off to others. My two cents, I got really angry at that bullshit fluff about the NCAA doing us a favor. This is not the time or place to troll with stuff like that and if it's not trolling, it damn sure seems like it.

Most people on this board are big fans, and I'm legit upset right now. This is not the time or place for the pablum about how the NCAA has rules and blah blah blah.

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:09 pm

Are you blind Machina??? They asked the medical panel to review the case and they refused.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:10 pm

Kolton Miller and the steroids storing in fat make me feel a little better. He’s thinner than Kolton

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:11 pm

BBQ wildcat wrote:Are you blind Machina??? They asked the medical panel to review the case and they refused.

It does not say timing though. If they asked for a review to happen today that is not likely possible. If it is in the NCAA rules he is allowed a review and they deny it in a reasonable time line then that is 100% wrong

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:12 pm

Kolton Miller is a UCLA football player, not the player in question

prh · Post by **prh** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:13 pm

Pretty sure benefit of doubt ship sailed long ago, somewhere between supporting Larry Scott, supporting RR, and hating Miller.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:15 pm

MrBug708 wrote:Kolton Miller is a UCLA football player, not the player in question

Kolton Houston

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... s-mission/" target="_blank

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:19 pm

At this point, maybe the UA should just say fuck you NCAA and play him anyway. Go ahead and vacate the victories, we don't care. The NCAA can't even wipe their own ass much less have a clue about PEDs.

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:23 pm

zonagrad wrote:At this point, maybe the UA should just say fuck you NCAA and play him anyway. Go ahead and vacate the victories, we don't care. The NCAA can't even wipe their own ass much less have a clue about PEDs.

I was actually thinking the same thing. I’m sure some teams may just boycott the game though. Fuck!!!!!!!

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:24 pm

The NCAA needs to be over and done with.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:24 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:Kolton Miller is a UCLA football player, not the player in question
Kolton Houston

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... s-mission/" target="_blank

My apologies. Honest mistake.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:25 pm

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:28 pm

I don't even believe the NCAA. They probably doctored the result. Corrupt organization

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:30 pm

Bilas on our side gives me hope. He's the smartest, most ethical college hoops commentator.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:32 pm

NYCat wrote:

Bilas gets it. This is awful and part of the backwards bs of the NCAA. He can't control the reappearance of metabolites and everyone knows it's not active.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:35 pm

This whole business is equivalent to the NCAA flopping and the NCAA calling it a charge.

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