If Sean Miller is fired, who should replace him?

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:40 pm

Zona is still a great job. Yes it's a mess now, but they aren't gonna tear down facilities, there are a ton of teams that are going down, there is great tradition and the school wants to have an excellent program and is willing to pay well to have it. Look at Penn st. Yes this sucks, but if we can get a great coach recruiting will pick back up.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:41 pm

My money is on a really old woman from Japan.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:42 pm

Excellent point about Penn State. If they can come back, anyone can. That’s the worst sports scandal of my lifetime. By far.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:49 pm

I don't know, maybe you can Miller and romar, suspend ayton and alkins, and make a statement, to be the clean program of the future, and start looking for coaches. Be the first, make the loudest statement, get a great coach. I don't know. Might be able to be the first to rise out of the mire and have a leg up on the competition. Have to set ourselves apart in order to return to prominence soon.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:00 pm

U.P. Zona Fan wrote:I don't know, maybe you can Miller and romar, suspend ayton and alkins, and make a statement, to be the clean program of the future, and start looking for coaches. Be the first, make the loudest statement, get a great coach. I don't know. Might be able to be the first to rise out of the mire and have a leg up on the competition. Have to set ourselves apart in order to return to prominence soon.

The old rise-to-the-top-by-giving-them-the-knife-to-cut-off-our-dicks plan?

midnightx · Post by **midnightx** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:02 pm

No relevant coach is going to want this job next year.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:07 pm

midnightx wrote:No relevant coach is going to want this job next year.

Including Romar, I'd think. Why would Romar want to add 0-26 to his record? Just need to name an interim coach who's level is commensurate with the non-Division I players he'll coach. Hope the investigation and sanctions occur sooner rather than later. And hope that down the line there's still enough a sense of brand name to build upon that an up-and-coming coach would consider the chance.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:24 pm

The "real " replacement will be the coach after the next one....

... say, when McKale has another sellout in three of four years from now....

BibbysTowelDude · Post by **BibbysTowelDude** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:53 pm

I'm still all in on Miller at this time. Matt Brase would be an interesting as far as alumni are concerned.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:22 pm

Stoudamire would be my first choice, but I wouldn’t wish this rebuilding project on anyone.

Hank of sb · Post by **Hank of sb** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:06 pm

As the university will need more help than ever, my first choice would be to throw booster money at the problem. If Arte Moreno would help out (I assume this is a big if), I'd throw a $25 mm, 5-year contract at Chris Beard; then I'd throw a $20 mm 5-year contract offer at Matt Painter. My feeling is you have to try. Either one would be a savior.

After trying maybe three times at this, I think Damon Stoudamire is a decent idea or, perhaps, an unknown assistant coach might pan out on our first attempt. If not, we're on coach # 2 in year #3. I also think this is a different era. I think some coaches will raise their hand wanting the job.....good ones. Arizona/Tucson will remain a desirable destination with a lot of cache.

As for Sean Miller, I understand the "all in" mantra of some here. There is a tremendous shock. But IMO, having SM stay, even if he could, is not realistic, nor wise. He is too tainted; the program is too damaged; as we know, ESPN alone has been savaging him all day; every hour a different announcer has put the blindfold over his head and sent him to the firing squad.

This is a divorce that is best for all parties.

There's a limit what anyone can take and Sean himself, who purportedly was "looking for an out," was possibly headed out the door on his own accord BEFORE the last 24 hours. Taking the money and running might be better for his own health.....and I believe, Arizona's health, as well.

Like it or not, the school has to move not only on this, but away from this.

BibbysTowelDude · Post by **BibbysTowelDude** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:14 pm

Canning an innocent man is not a standard I'd want to set.

Hank of sb · Post by **Hank of sb** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:29 pm

BibbysTowelDude wrote:Canning an innocent man is not a standard I'd want to set.

Nor me.

But with Book's firing, he's not innocent.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:55 pm

Look we're going to have to go the route that USC did after Tim Floyd got busted for paying OJ Mayo and sign a sacrificial lamb for a few years to weather the shit storm and nobody is better for that than Lorenzo Romar. After every thing has blown over then you fire Romar and go all out for the best candidate.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:57 pm

Jason Gardner?

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:02 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Look we're going to have to go the route that USC did after Tim Floyd got busted for paying OJ Mayo and sign a sacrificial lamb for a few years to weather the shit storm and nobody is better for that than Lorenzo Romar. After every thing has blown over then you fire Romar and go all out for the best candidate.

This is correct, the actual Miller replacement will be the second one hired.

Hank of sb · Post by **Hank of sb** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:04 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Look we're going to have to go the route that USC did after Tim Floyd got busted for paying OJ Mayo and sign a sacrificial lamb for a few years to weather the shit storm and nobody is better for that than Lorenzo Romar. After every thing has blown over then you fire Romar and go all out for the best candidate.

Romar is the perfect guy. A man deserving of the adoration he gets. (The anti KO.) He might just take the job for a simple $1.7 mm, too. Inertia is powerful. He can stay in his current house.

RichardCranium · Post by **RichardCranium** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:45 pm

Bill Walton and son.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:21 pm

How many alumni have excelled at coaching Div I ball? I realize Pastner made COY one year, but he really sucks, and no one likes him.

Walton, Kerr, Damon, Miles, Bibby, and so on have not shown they can do well at this level.

Bring in a young head coach at from a mid-major who still has lots of energy and can recruit well, and most of all wins.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:59 pm

If Miller is gone, I absolutely DO NOT WANT Josh Pastner. That would kill our program. Kill it. DO NOT WANT!!!

I'd entertain Stoudamire after his year at Pacific. Maybe Miles Simon...maybe. Recruiting is still the lifeblood.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:28 am

Bobby Knight

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:43 am

You know, I think I could be alright with Romar in the short term. He’d recruit well and is a good person. He’s not an elite coach, but he may be the best we can do at the moment.

This is all contingent, of course, on whether he’s implicated in the Fultz allegations.

Bordercat · Post by **Bordercat** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:59 am

Hank of sb wrote:As the university will need more help than ever, my first choice would be to throw booster money at the problem. If Arte Moreno would help out (I assume this is a big if), I'd throw a $25 mm, 5-year contract at Chris Beard; then I'd throw a $20 mm 5-year contract offer at Matt Painter. My feeling is you have to try. Either one would be a savior.

After trying maybe three times at this, I think Damon Stoudamire is a decent idea or, perhaps, an unknown assistant coach might pan out on our first attempt. If not, we're on coach # 2 in year #3. I also think this is a different era. I think some coaches will raise their hand wanting the job.....good ones. Arizona/Tucson will remain a desirable destination with a lot of cache.

As for Sean Miller, I understand the "all in" mantra of some here. There is a tremendous shock. But IMO, having SM stay, even if he could, is not realistic, nor wise. He is too tainted; the program is too damaged; as we know, ESPN alone has been savaging him all day; every hour a different announcer has put the blindfold over his head and sent him to the firing squad.

This is a divorce that is best for all parties.

There's a limit what anyone can take and Sean himself, who purportedly was "looking for an out," was possibly headed out the door on his own accord BEFORE the last 24 hours. Taking the money and running might be better for his own health.....and I believe, Arizona's health, as well.

Like it or not, the school has to move not only on this, but away from this.

if he wants to leave fine but don't fire him and have to pay all the money. He can resign and go elsewhere if he wants. I'm all in on keeping Sean and I don't it's necessary we fire him should he be vindicated.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:20 pm

Bibby is an interesting thought but does he have a degree?

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:22 pm

Big fat no on any of the alumni

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:27 pm

Randy Bennett
Eric Musselman
Chris Beard (if we're lucky)
Some coach of a Cinderella team

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:30 pm

Does Jay Wright have any promising assistants? That program is thriving as much as any these days.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:36 pm

Dan Majerle.

azcat34 · Post by **azcat34** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:50 pm

Maybe Shaka Smart wants to get out in front of the pitchforks and go to a basketball-first school?

His 47-46 record at Texas now would definitely set up an interesting 4th season.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:22 pm

I hate marjele

Not sure Smart will ever do well outside of east coast

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:48 pm

Just go the mid-major route. I never like the hot assistant hire.

az91 · Post by **az91** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:18 am

Irish27 wrote:Jason Gardner?

He has been awful at IUPUI.

az91 · Post by **az91** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:21 am

billk78 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
billk78 wrote:Why in the world would Steve Kerr ever leave the best team in the NBA to come take over a program in the middle of a dumpster fire. This is going to take YEARS to recover from gentlemen.

My best guess is Romar would take over in the interim with CSM being suspended until more evidence is collected. If the evidence is clear then they will likely clean house. Miles Simon is a good name to throw out there...but he has a good job. Arizona used to be a dream job....now it's going to be who in the world would actually take us.
You gotta make the call. 99.99 percent he wont take it but you gotta try
That's very true. Kevin O'Neil has displayed a great deal of knowledge on FS....and he's probably great with the kids.

But on a real note....what's Sean Elliot up to?

Sad to think that our best option might be Kevin O'Neill. For all his shortcomings, he has run clean programs.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:22 am

Doesn’t KO have a drinking problem? Thought that came out during his one season as our coach.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:46 am

I don't think he has any problem drinking

I thought he got a bad rap from fans but I've also heard he didn't handle the players very well

Bordercat · Post by **Bordercat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:19 am

Mike Bibby

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:47 am

A high school coach?

No again on any alumni.

Kevin O'Neill went 19-15 at Arizona in his one year with Budinger, Bayless, and Jordan Hill on the roster, 3 long term NBA players, along with Jamelle Horne, Nic Wise and Jawann McClellan.

Remember when Jamelle had a really good game, and the next game never got off the bench? One pundit asked KO why, and he said he completely forgot about him.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:29 am

Look guys if you hire an alumni and put them in an absolute non-winning situation you are going to end up firing them and that is going to piss off other alumni. Just say no to an alum coach unless he's a proven winner. If we're in a position where we need a sacrificial lamb for a few years you already have him employed. Just bump him up, let him deal with the bruises and then you can really move on as a program.

Let's be clear if Arizona is letting go of Sean Miller today it's because they think more bad shit is inbound, so we're not going to get any of the coaches whose names we threw out here earlier.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:34 am

Thanks you choo for this.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:40 am

So, nobody wants to keep Romar on for the transition?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:43 am

azgreg wrote:So, nobody wants to keep Romar on for the transition?

That's pretty much exactly what I eluded to in my post.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:45 am

azgreg wrote:So, nobody wants to keep Romar on for the transition?

I’d love to. But what would Romar get out of it in exchange for a horrible record with no talent and post-season bans?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:49 am

Longhorned wrote:
azgreg wrote:So, nobody wants to keep Romar on for the transition?
I’d love to. But what would Romar get out of it in exchange for a horrible record with no talent and post-season bans?

A head coaching job.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:56 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
azgreg wrote:So, nobody wants to keep Romar on for the transition?
I’d love to. But what would Romar get out of it in exchange for a horrible record with no talent and post-season bans?
A head coaching job.

I just thought he could do better with a mid-major and a level playing field as a means of working his way back. Because the risk is compiling a bad record and losing his job as a result. Where would he go from there?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:58 am

Longhorned wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
azgreg wrote:So, nobody wants to keep Romar on for the transition?
I’d love to. But what would Romar get out of it in exchange for a horrible record with no talent and post-season bans?
A head coaching job.
I just thought he could do better with a mid-major and a level playing field as a means of working his way back. Because the risk is compiling a bad record and losing his job as a result. Where would he go from there?

The TV booth.

His last 5 seasons:
18-16
17-15
16-15
19-15
9-22

He's welcome for the opportunity and the money.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:01 am

The next coach isn’t the big hire. It’s the coach after that.

Like in 4 years.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:03 am

Olsondogg wrote:The next coach isn’t the big hire. It’s the coach after that.

Like in 4 years.

Uh huh.

Plus Arizona at this point in time has to pay Rich Rod his buyout, pay Kevin Sumlin good money, and will have to pay whatever buyout is negotiated with Miller (why this is taking so long IMO). So money for the next coach will be an issue. It will not be an issue when we hire Miller's real replacement though.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:04 am

Choo, any grief I gave you in the past. I’m sorry.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:10 am

Olsondogg wrote:Choo, any grief I gave you in the past. I’m sorry.

Brother I yearn to be back in the days where you and I can argue about AdjD or overall expectations for the team after my overreactions over a week or two of play

. The quicker we can get back to that the better.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:13 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Choo, any grief I gave you in the past. I’m sorry.
Brother I yearn to be back in the days where you and I can argue about AdjD or overall expectations for the team after my overreactions over a week or two of play . The quicker we can get back to that the better.

With that said, now is the time to focus on AdjO. Join me. It’s Romar ball.

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