Deandre Ayton

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:20 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
TucsonClip wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
TucsonClip wrote: Not trying to act like im on a soapbox here, because I havent seen him enough to feel that comfortable with my breakdown. However, I do love Doncic. But... there is no way I would pass on Ayton.
I get you, TC. I'm just not in love with Doncic the way others are. Where some see Ginobli, I see David Lee. Lee's had a nice career, and he'd probably go higher than a lot of people ahead of him if they re-did the '05 draft, but he never changed a franchise. Ayton, Bagley, Bamba...I'd take them all ahead of Doncic.

Not in love with an 18 year old averaging 16 pts 6 rebounds 5 assists shooting 47%, all in 25 mpg, in the second best basketball league in the world?

Well, I guess that means he must not be good. Thank god BC97 has come in to show us the light, as always. If it wasn't for your insightful comments on this board, I don't know what we would do!

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:13 am

Doncic is the truth. He’s Aytons only real competition as the #1 pick now that Ayton has slightly separated himself from MB3. Clips breakdown is pretty good, but i would takenit a step further and say he’s going to be an iso guy w a little seasoning. He’s not going to blow by and cram before help can get there in an iso 4-flat look at end of game situations like Russ, but he’s very crafty and could easily turn into Harden without quite the smoothness on his step back, but Beards offensive game is so diverse that he almost always has the D guessing and back on their heels and then he can do what he wants basically on O.

The key to Doncic being an ISO guy at end of clock situations is how deadly he can become w his jumper. Can he develop a lights out two dribble pull up / step back pull up/ etc. he’s already got a nice little floater and push shot though. He’s basically a 6’8 Rubio who can actually shoot it and shoot it well.

I know I’m going to get killed for this but I’ve heard scouts say his ceiling is Magic Johnson-lite. And he’s already considered a high floor guy.

I’d still take Ayton unless my team already has a Drummond, Jordan, Davis in the post, and i don’t see any of those teams getting the #1 pick, but it’s not as cut and dry as everyone thinks. Most of us don’t see Doncic every game like we do Ayton, so we don’t appreciate him.

I do however agree, that as long as medical stuff checks out (always a concern w guys Aytons size) you can’t pass on him w #1 pick. That is the type of move that gets GMs fired. Let’s not pretend Doncic is Darco though. He’s the most sure thing a Euro has ever been. More than The unicorn.

As for BC97s comparisons to Manu and David Lee ..... uhhhhh what? Those aren’t even close.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:56 am

Is Doncic as much of a sure thing as Andre Bargnani? Or Danilo?

I’ve seen this movie before. NBA scouts in love with an international prospect who doesn’t set the league on fire, the way many anticipated.

No way I’d take Doncic ahead of Ayton, Bagley, or Bamba.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:01 am

Beachcat97 wrote:Is Doncic as much of a sure thing as Andre Bargnani? Or Danilo?

I’ve seen this movie before. NBA scouts in love with an international prospect who doesn’t set the league on fire, the way many anticipated.

No way I’d take Doncic ahead of Ayton, Bagley, or Bamba.

Doncic plays in the second best basketball league in the world and is absolutely dominating the competition. The only thing he has in common with Bargnani is that they're both European. Most of these guys taken from overseas are primarily taken on potential and a little bit of production. Doncic is a shit ton of a production that has never been seen before at his age and further untapping potential. I'd take him over Bagley and Bamba in a heartbeat. It's debatable between him and Ayton imo and the fact that it's even debatable shows just how damn good Doncic is.

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:25 am

Beachcat97 wrote:Is Doncic as much of a sure thing as Andre Bargnani? Or Danilo?

I’ve seen this movie before.

This is akin to seeing Dumber and Dumberer and saying "I've seen this movie before" about Dumb and Dumber.

Why even post? Not just in this thread, I mean ever.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:37 pm

I'm relatively new here but... some of y'all really don't like some of y'all.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:40 pm

15 years of infighting and bickering will do that

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:44 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:I'm relatively new here but... some of y'all really don't like some of y'all.

fuck you

see, now i just jumped you in - its official.

Go Cats!!

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:50 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:I'm relatively new here but... some of y'all really don't like some of y'all.

I’ve never really understood all the flak that beachcat gets. Although it was funny that stretch where everyone was calling him riversidecat.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:31 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:I'm relatively new here but... some of y'all really don't like some of y'all.
I’ve never really understood all the flak that beachcat gets..

Oh I'm sure I've said some shit through the years to arouse antipathy. For some, it fades. For others, it rages on.

Back to the thread's OT: I'll have to watch more of Doncic and try to see the huge potential that others are seeing. In the videos I've seen, he doesn't look like he has the physical gifts to star in the NBA. Guess we'll see.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:12 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:I'm relatively new here but... some of y'all really don't like some of y'all.

Maybe I just hate all y'all.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:31 pm

Ehh...I'll tell someone they are a fool one day and praise them the next. It's all about content.

I also never socialized as a part of this board. That helps in executing the above, but probably sucks at some level.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:24 pm

I think you're all a bunch of jerks.

Who started that BTW? Longhorned?

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:24 am

CalStateTempe wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:I'm relatively new here but... some of y'all really don't like some of y'all.
I’ve never really understood all the flak that beachcat gets. Although it was funny that stretch where everyone was calling him riversidecat.

Find me one post where he says something that is actually worth reading. That's all I ask. He has posted over 3,000 times on this message board and I don't think even once I've thought "Wow, that was insightful". He is the only person (besides the obvious trolls) I can say that about. I can't even say that about machina.

The problem is he presents his posts like he actually knows what he's talking about. This thread is a great example of it. He clearly doesn't understand basketball on any deep level, which is fine, not everyone has to, but if that's the case then maybe, just maybe, shut your pie hole and listen instead of, well, what he does.

I just wish we had kept the ban. Honestly I just talked myself into ignoring him and that's actually going to be pretty easy since, with my aforementioned point about him making no sense ever, nobody will ever quote him and he will be a ghost to me.

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:32 am

PS I'm going to the Barca vs. Madrid game tomorrow, sitting 2nd row, and will report back on how Doncic looks in person.

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:53 pm

dcZONAfan wrote:PS I'm going to the Barca vs. Madrid game tomorrow, sitting 2nd row, and will report back on how Doncic looks in person.

Nice. Looking forward to it.

prh · Post by **prh** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:55 pm

Time to see what he does when it's truly his team

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:25 pm

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:27 pm

Hell yeah. Go get that #1 pick Dre.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:29 pm

Take no prisoners DA!

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:33 pm

Hell yeah! Romar ball!

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:33 pm

Let the players play!

DiehardDave37 · Post by **DiehardDave37** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:40 pm

dcZONAfan wrote:PS I'm going to the Barca vs. Madrid game tomorrow, sitting 2nd row, and will report back on how Doncic looks in person.

Wow! How did you pull that off? I'm retired. Don't you need someone to carry your bags or something not too personal?

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:44 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Hell yeah! Romar ball!

Wear the colors with pride, mofo and btfd

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:47 pm

Olsondogg wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Hell yeah! Romar ball!
Wear the colors with pride, mofo and btfd

Red block a hat navy blue sweeter with block a on left chest

Take no prisoners.

Bear down!!

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:54 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Hell yeah! Romar ball!
Wear the colors with pride, mofo and btfd
Red block a hat navy blue sweeter with block a on left chest

Take no prisoners.

Bear down!!

You are a Christian in an unholy land. Godspeed!!!

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:03 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Hell yeah! Romar ball!
Wear the colors with pride, mofo and btfd
Red block a hat navy blue sweeter with block a on left chest

Take no prisoners.

Bear down!!

LET'S FUCKING GOOO

So excited for you dude

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:03 pm

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:19 pm

I guess if he's gonna be paid like a pro he might as well play like it (I kid, I kid)

Holy crap is he in beast mode tonight

Damn

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:20 pm

That was the best half I've ever seen by an Arizona player. Ever.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:45 pm

Longhorned wrote:That was the best half I've ever seen by an Arizona player. Ever.

DWill vs. Dook says hi

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:03 pm

Longhorned wrote:That was the best half I've ever seen by an Arizona player. Ever.

His play reminds me of Tiger Woods coming out and dominating the field after he was outed for being a dirtbag...

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:38 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Hell yeah! Romar ball!

Well that's what I saw tonight... y'all got what you wanted.

Fast paced... check
Fun to watch... check
High scoring.... check
Sloppy... check
Shitty decisions... check
Shit defense... check

Lose... check

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:53 pm

Can't play Romar ball without a competent point guard. Just can't.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:00 am

Oops

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:11 am

UAEebs86 wrote:Oops

What is he supposed to say? Like an amateur. Give me a break. People are going to pile on whenever they can.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:28 am

Longhorned wrote:That was the best half I've ever seen by an Arizona player. Ever.

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:39 am

UAEebs86 wrote:Oops

That fact that ESPN supposedly made reference to PJCs comment as well, I would let the press know that players will no longer be available for comments. If they are going to start tearing apart what 21 and 22 year olds are saying to get a sound bite and create clicks, then fuck em.

Sadly, it truly has become us against the world for this team.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:41 am

Merkin wrote:
Longhorned wrote:That was the best half I've ever seen by an Arizona player. Ever.

Oregon adjusted, but what are the chances the effectiveness of that adjustment was aided by all those horribly executed lobs "to" Ayton without Trier to open the floor? That's what happens when you loose one punch from your 1-2 punch.

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:48 am

Longhorned wrote:
Merkin wrote:
Longhorned wrote:That was the best half I've ever seen by an Arizona player. Ever.

Oregon adjusted, but what are the chances the effectiveness of that adjustment was aided by all those horribly executed lobs "to" Ayton without Trier to open the floor? That's what happens when you loose one punch from your 1-2 punch.

Turnovers killed them last night.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:53 am

"Banana passes".

Can you imagine if Ayton had a good point guard out there?

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:55 am

Merkin wrote:"Banana passes".

Can you imagine if Ayton had a good point guard out there?

The point guard isn't the only player who makes entry passes to a big man. This is on all of them (players and coaches).

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:51 am

Merkin wrote:"Banana passes".

Can you imagine if Ayton had a good point guard out there?

Well PJC has to throw the "Banana pass" because he is so short. If he didn't, he hits his defender in the face. But as UAEebs said, the whole team makes the entry pass the same way.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:34 pm

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:40 pm

I'm going to go out on a very sturdy limb and suggest that ESPN has intentionally tried to push other players up the pole over Ayton and when NBA scouts respond "Nope, Ayton is #1" it just drives them more and more to try and move the needle...

Look at all the fucking rim jobs they gave Trae Young, I have NEVER seen a sports network actually keep a running feed of a players stats over the score, they don't even do that for NBA players, but somehow Young became their poster child...and then when Ayton shows better physical attributes, and a much higher ceiling they just try and find a way to drag him down...

There are multiple agendas happening in ESPN right now, NONE of them favor the West Coast, and even worse they have a hard on to destroy UA basketball and keep the blue bloods (which Oklahoma is NOT) pure and spot free...

These asshats are licking up the dirt every chance they get and at some point it is going to come back and bite them in the ass...Disney does not tolerate a broken bottom line and controversy sells right now, but times are changing...fake news will get your twitter account removed...welcome to the new media mother fuckers, you are on record and this shit does not go away.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:16 pm

CatFan, ESPNs viewership has been declining at an alarming pace for a while. And they continue to do stuff they KNOW will alienate viewers and cause their numbers to plummet even more. Why is that?

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:17 pm

azgreg wrote:

Definitely not guilty.

Miller is the mole.

ESPN got this wrong.

Many people should be fired and sued, but they are not UofA personnel.

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:28 pm

rgdeuce wrote:CatFan, ESPNs viewership has been declining at an alarming pace for a while. And they continue to do stuff they KNOW will alienate viewers and cause their numbers to plummet even more. Why is that?

It's hard to read the direction culture will take, hell how many people still use AOL???

News media (ESPN falls into this category) is a rather cumbersome beast...mobs are fickle but people selling pitchforks will always find a way to make a buck, they just need to redefine who the monster is and knowing when the last one is no longer scary enough is a real science.

At one point in my life I listened to Fox news exclusively, now I pretty much regard them as the tinfoil crowd...

CNN not much better, I tend to watch BBC and Mexican news channels to get a better perspective outside of my bubble...

But its hard to decipher real original sound in an echo chamber...ESPN has been an echo chamber for quite a while...they've lost innovation and just make noise now...so in answer to your question...

I dunno...they like to hear themselves on TV?

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:45 pm

Merkin wrote:"Banana passes".

Can you imagine if Ayton had a good point guard out there?

Even a mediocre point guard will do.

DiehardDave37 · Post by **DiehardDave37** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:31 pm

Olsondogg wrote:
Longhorned wrote:That was the best half I've ever seen by an Arizona player. Ever.
DWill vs. Dook says hi

That's exactly what I was thinking, Olson Dogg. That is probably my favorite game. Coach K goes in at haltime and devises a way to stop DWill and actually does. But the rest of the team kills them. Beautiful! Could not have been scripted better.

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