Sean Miller

BE4RDOWN21 · Post by **BE4RDOWN21** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:13 pm

How about this scenario, with a grain of salt...Say Miller did speak to Dawkins and cash was brought up, but Miller declined to deal. And then, say Miller mentioned the ordeal to his coaching staff, which sparked intrigue with Book (who we know has had a shady past) which led him to reach out to Dawkins on his own, for his own gain... Homer conspiracy boner is raging

CatHoops · Post by **CatHoops** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:14 pm

Dawkins seems to have many connections he easily coulda been spouting out of his ass the last few weeks and it found it's way to slobcock

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:17 pm

Gotta give it to vitale at least he responds back Arizona fans.

Maybe start tweeting him to release the tapes.

splitsecond · Post by **splitsecond** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:20 pm

ERRONEOUS
SHIT
PRODUCiNG
NETWORK

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:22 pm

The biggest Fuck You to ESPN is getting him, and Trier for that matter, back on the sidelines ASAP cutting down the nets on FS1.

phxcat23 · Post by **phxcat23** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:24 pm

Olsondogg wrote:The biggest Fuck You to ESPN is getting him, and Trier for that matter, back on the sidelines ASAP cutting down the nets on FS1.

Or if he chooses again to not be on the sidelines, when we win, then Miller walks out to "Bring em out", unfolds the ladder, and cuts the nets down like a boss. And then says "is that all you got?"

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:25 pm

In mckale or Vegas?

Either would be fucking awesome.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:25 pm

phxcat23 wrote:
CatHoops wrote:I'll have my shit on espn signs ready for Sat night
Too bad our security is so strict with signs....maybe they'll let it slide this week?

Roll it up, stick it down your pants. I snuck in Chipotle burritos a time or two when I was drunk and hungry.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:25 pm

Hard for me to imagine he won't be on the floor for Senior day either...

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:26 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:In mckale or Vegas?

Either would be fucking awesome.

Yes

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:29 pm

CatHoops wrote:I'll have my shit on espn signs ready for Sat night

It's on P12 so nobody will see it anyway.

#firelarryscott

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:30 pm

btfd16 wrote:
phxcat23 wrote:
CatHoops wrote:I'll have my shit on espn signs ready for Sat night
Too bad our security is so strict with signs....maybe they'll let it slide this week?
Roll it up, stick it down your pants. I snuck in Chipotle burritos a time or two when I was drunk and hungry.

There's a joke here somewhere...

I already have a Chipotle burrito in my pants...

I did that once and ended up in a sorority house...

I have no room for a 2nd Chipotle burrito...

Imagine the disappointment of some new admirers when I removed the burrito and started to eat

and so on

(hijack)

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:31 pm

Are douchebags pasche and Walton signed up for this weeks games?

I hope the zoo gives em hell.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:32 pm

Olsondogg wrote:
CatHoops wrote:I'll have my shit on espn signs ready for Sat night

It's on P12 so nobody will see it anyway.

#firelarryscott

Ain’t is great?

If we had a real conference commissioner to go to bat with us.

Nope, Arizona’s holding down the fort alone.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:35 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Are douchebags pasche and Walton signed up for this weeks games?

I hope the zoo gives em hell.

No. FS1 Thursday PAC12 Saturday

No more of them the rest of the way

BibbysTowelDude · Post by **BibbysTowelDude** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:37 pm

Yeah we won't be making another ESPN appearance this season.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:37 pm

BibbysTowelDude wrote:Yeah we won't be making another ESPN appearance this season.

Well, not for a game.

jajoyce · Post by **jajoyce** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:38 pm

BibbysTowelDude wrote:Yeah we won't be making another ESPN appearance this season.

They probably wouldn't even show up for the National Championship Parade.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:47 pm

BE4RDOWN21 wrote:How about this scenario, with a grain of salt...Say Miller did speak to Dawkins and cash was brought up, but Miller declined to deal. And then, say Miller mentioned the ordeal to his coaching staff, which sparked intrigue with Book (who we know has had a shady past) which led him to reach out to Dawkins on his own, for his own gain... Homer conspiracy boner is raging

Frankly, it could be like this:

Dawkins: Book asked me about $100,000, he says it's for Ayton.

Miller: Don't talk to Book about stuff like that, talk to me.

Conversation moves on. I've never seen why Miller would ask Dawkins to deal with him from that point on if they walked away from a conversation with a deal.

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:52 pm

Guys ESPN will not be held accountable. You all probably still think the Patriots doctored footballs, am I right?

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:52 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
BE4RDOWN21 wrote:How about this scenario, with a grain of salt...Say Miller did speak to Dawkins and cash was brought up, but Miller declined to deal. And then, say Miller mentioned the ordeal to his coaching staff, which sparked intrigue with Book (who we know has had a shady past) which led him to reach out to Dawkins on his own, for his own gain... Homer conspiracy boner is raging
Frankly, it could be like this:

Dawkins: Book asked me about $100,000, he says it's for Ayton.

Miller: Don't talk to Book about stuff like that, talk to me.

Conversation moves on. I've never seen why Miller would ask Dawkins to deal with him from that point on if they walked away from a conversation with a deal.

Problem is, that conversation won't be seen in circles that want to make this story in to a story as Miller being innocent. Miller MUST at that moment SLAM DOWN THE PHONE, say "YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE GAME I LOVE", then burn all of his Nike stuff in protest of the culture.

Nothing short of that...or nothing on wire...will suffice in the larger circles of this witch (he is a witch, right?) hunt.

CatHoops · Post by **CatHoops** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:53 pm

Pac12 championship should be espn

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:56 pm

CatHoops wrote:Pac12 championship should be espn

It is FS1 this year

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:57 pm

CatHoops wrote:Pac12 championship should be espn

FS1

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:58 pm

EVCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
BE4RDOWN21 wrote:How about this scenario, with a grain of salt...Say Miller did speak to Dawkins and cash was brought up, but Miller declined to deal. And then, say Miller mentioned the ordeal to his coaching staff, which sparked intrigue with Book (who we know has had a shady past) which led him to reach out to Dawkins on his own, for his own gain... Homer conspiracy boner is raging
Frankly, it could be like this:

Dawkins: Book asked me about $100,000, he says it's for Ayton.

Miller: Don't talk to Book about stuff like that, talk to me.

Conversation moves on. I've never seen why Miller would ask Dawkins to deal with him from that point on if they walked away from a conversation with a deal.
Problem is, that conversation won't be seen in circles that want to make this story in to a story as Miller being innocent. Miller MUST at that moment SLAM DOWN THE PHONE, say "YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE GAME I LOVE", then burn all of his Nike stuff in protest of the culture.

Nothing short of that...or nothing on wire...will suffice in the larger circles of this witch (he is a witch, right?) hunt.

People who want to get Miller will use anything.

That doesn't mean Arizona has to bow to those people. If that scenario was what was on the wire, should Miller go?

If a discussion happens and concludes without a resolution, what then? Nailing down the actual language of the discussion is huge and that can potentially be done.

mofo · Post by **mofo** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:00 pm

I'm sure this has already been said since it's hard to keep up with all the posts, but didn't the original info that came out last fall from the FBI suggest that someone at University 4 had offered 6 figures to a recruit? Then there was another reference made to one of the recipients already having been paid and we were speculating on who that was? I know the Quinerly thing, but I thought the general consensus on these boards was that someone on the current roster may have incriminating evidence against them.

I could be way off, but if not perhaps ESPN's report is that same issue, only with names this time?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:05 pm

mofo wrote:I'm sure this has already been said since it's hard to keep up with all the posts, but didn't the original info that came out last fall from the FBI suggest that someone at University 4 had offered 6 figures to a recruit? Then there was another reference made to one of the recipients already having been paid and we were speculating on who that was? I know the Quinerly thing, but I thought the general consensus on these boards was that someone on the current roster may have incriminating evidence against them.

I could be way off, but if not perhaps ESPN's report is that same issue, only with names this time?

In the original complaint, Miami coaches wanted 150k for Nassir Little, saying Arizona had offered that to Little. That's the reference you're thinking of.

mofo · Post by **mofo** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:05 pm

I think you're right. Thanks.

CatHoops · Post by **CatHoops** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:07 pm

It was Nassir Little. But it was only dawkins talking money like he always has. Making up fake stories to benefit himself with money. That's why andy miller fired him stole 40k

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:19 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: People who want to get Miller will use anything.

That doesn't mean Arizona has to bow to those people. If that scenario was what was on the wire, should Miller go?

If a discussion happens and concludes without a resolution, what then? Nailing down the actual language of the discussion is huge and that can potentially be done.

Not disagreeing...but then the perception that the NCAA is coming with sanctions will continue.

And then we are two classes out. And not winning.

Perception matters. And people with so much invested in the "he is guilty" position will look for any place to dig in at this point. Either they are rewarded with the real scoop or they get partial footing and create the perception that they were right all along.

I am not agreeing with the position. But I can't just ignore how likely that kind of outcome might be.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:22 pm

Ok guys it’s been about 4 hours since someone tweeted or any major articles came out and 2 days since anything for the university.

Need some updates and soon.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:30 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Ok guys it’s been about 4 hours since someone tweeted or any major articles came out and 2 days since anything for the university.

Need some updates and soon.

Same. I need more news so I can not do work.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:31 pm

You would think ESPN would have a follow-up story by now. Nope!

You would also think they’d want to correct all the false info they’ve put out (like Darren Rovell saying Miller gets more money if fired with cause than without). Nope!

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:32 pm

Sorta think no news is good news at this point.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:32 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Ok guys it’s been about 4 hours since someone tweeted or any major articles came out and 2 days since anything for the university.

Need some updates and soon.

Fingers crossed that (as I said above) silence is good.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:33 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's now after 5 PM on Monday, and ESPN still has no update to the vague, three sentence long substance of their breaking news story from Friday night. No additional details to address any questions raised by readers and credible people in the media.

How was this information acquired? What did Sean Miller say in the intercepted telephone conversations? How do we know? Can you clarify when, other than on a corrections page? How do these conversations fit in with the larger timeline of the investigation? Why didn't the FBI act on the substance of the conversations? Is there any named source willing to comment on this news event? Not even one?

This is still all we have:

FBI wiretaps intercepted telephone conversations between Arizona coach Sean Miller and Christian Dawkins, a key figure in the FBI's investigation into college basketball corruption, in which Miller discussed paying $100,000 to ensure star freshman Deandre Ayton signed with the Wildcats, sources familiar with the government's evidence told ESPN.

According to people with knowledge of the FBI investigation, Miller and Dawkins, a runner working for ASM Sports agent Andy Miller, had multiple conversations about Ayton. When Dawkins asked Sean Miller if he should work with assistant coach Emanuel "Book" Richardson to finalize their agreement, Miller told Dawkins he should deal directly with him when it came to money, the sources said.

The telephone calls between Sean Miller and Dawkins were among 3,000 hours of conversations intercepted from Dawkins' phone by the FBI.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:37 pm

Longhorned wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's now after 5 PM on Monday, and ESPN still has no update to the vague, three sentence long substance of their breaking news story from Friday night. No additional details to address any questions raised by readers and credible people in the media.

How was this information acquired? What did Sean Miller say in the intercepted telephone conversations? How do we know? Can you clarify when, other than on a corrections page? How do these conversations fit in with the larger timeline of the investigation? Why didn't the FBI act on the substance of the conversations? Is there any named source willing to comment on this news event? Not even one?

This is still all we have:

FBI wiretaps intercepted telephone conversations between Arizona coach Sean Miller and Christian Dawkins, a key figure in the FBI's investigation into college basketball corruption, in which Miller discussed paying $100,000 to ensure star freshman Deandre Ayton signed with the Wildcats, sources familiar with the government's evidence told ESPN.

According to people with knowledge of the FBI investigation, Miller and Dawkins, a runner working for ASM Sports agent Andy Miller, had multiple conversations about Ayton. When Dawkins asked Sean Miller if he should work with assistant coach Emanuel "Book" Richardson to finalize their agreement, Miller told Dawkins he should deal directly with him when it came to money, the sources said.

The telephone calls between Sean Miller and Dawkins were among 3,000 hours of conversations intercepted from Dawkins' phone by the FBI.

For what it's worth, locally, news outlets have full stories on the questions about sourcing and reliability on the ESPN article. It seems like the the tide is quietly turning a little. We'll see.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:41 pm

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:42 pm

Pascoe saying Miller was not at practice.

CatHoops · Post by **CatHoops** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:43 pm

? If this is true and these are sealed docs. With a gag order wouldn't this essentially be good for miller cause it would be thrown out by a judge since the defendant didn't abide

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:44 pm

Not good news, but not unexpected

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:44 pm

Olsondogg wrote:Pascoe saying Miller was not at practice.

That sucks.

OSCat · Post by **OSCat** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:44 pm

Olsondogg wrote:Pascoe saying Miller was not at practice.

Not a great sign or am I wrong?

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:44 pm

CatHoops wrote:? If this is true and these are sealed docs. With a gag order wouldn't this essentially be good for miller cause it would be thrown out by a judge since the defendant didn't abide

I have zero legal clue, but I like where this is going.. In the words of Justin Thomas this weekend, talk dirty to me...

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:45 pm

Miller was probably meeting with University officials and lawyers and the such...just sayin.

BE4RDOWN21 · Post by **BE4RDOWN21** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:45 pm

Olsondogg wrote:Pascoe saying Miller was not at practice.

That could be bad, or good?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:46 pm

OSCat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Pascoe saying Miller was not at practice.
Not a great sign or am I wrong?

Not a good sign, but not a bad sign yet in my opinion. If he is not back by Wednesday then it is an issue in my mind. Potential issue that is. Could just be doing what he needs to do.

Just hope he is on the bench Thursday

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:46 pm

I don't think you, nor I nor anyone you'll hear from will know.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:48 pm

The only thing to infer is that the UofA hasn't made a decision yet (or at least are willing to go public with that decision)

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:48 pm

OSCat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Pascoe saying Miller was not at practice.
Not a great sign or am I wrong?

Not a great sign. If Miller was there I’d be confident that his case is airtight and this shit is going to work out in his favor.

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