Official Bracketology Thread

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:08 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Kansas is one of the more undeserving #1s in recent years.

Everyone should be praying KU is the #1 seed in the West and Arizona is the #4 seed - and hope Gonzaga is not the #5 seed.

BE4RDOWN21 · Post by **BE4RDOWN21** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:16 pm

NYCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Kansas is one of the more undeserving #1s in recent years.
Everyone should be praying KU is the #1 seed in the West and Arizona is the #4 seed - and hope Gonzaga is not the #5 seed.

You know, I'm not completely sold on the Zags tbh. IMO, they seem pedestrian in the post this year compared to years past (no karnowski or collins). I think Ayton and Dus would have their ways with the Zags in that aspect. The one concern I would have is the length of some of their guards and the range they have. Our Perimeter D has improved but there deep game could pose a problem. I don't think they are as talented as previous years. I think we win that game np

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:31 pm

BE4RDOWN21 wrote:
NYCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Kansas is one of the more undeserving #1s in recent years.
Everyone should be praying KU is the #1 seed in the West and Arizona is the #4 seed - and hope Gonzaga is not the #5 seed.
You know, I'm not completely sold on the Zags tbh. IMO, they seem pedestrian in the post this year compared to years past (no karnowski or collins). I think Ayton and Dus would have their ways with the Zags in that aspect. The one concern I would have is the length of some of their guards and the range they have. Our Perimeter D has improved but there deep game could pose a problem. I don't think they are as talented as previous years. I think we win that game np

Gonzaga is nowhere near the team they were last year, but Tillie is a very good player and their defense is solid. I agree: I think we're clearly the better team this year, but the Zags are as well coached as any team and would be a very tough second round game.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:10 pm

SabinoDrifter wrote:those turds in Tempe would be an interesting case if they were to lose today...

if they lose they are like the definition of a bubble team to study for the committee as a thought experiment. good wins in ooc, bad conference and conference result. very bubbly SOS and RPI in the 50s/60s.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:27 pm

BE4RDOWN21 · Post by **BE4RDOWN21** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:13 pm

I'm Pretty sure 90% of ASU's shots have been from 3 point range so far today...live by the 3, die by the 3

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:18 pm

BE4RDOWN21 wrote:I'm Pretty sure 90% of ASU's shots have been from 3 point range so far today...live by the 3, die by the 3

Just about half.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:15 pm

Yeah asu shouldn't be in, they were hovering the 11 line before. Especially if UCLA, Oregon or USC wins the conference tournament. At best ASU should be a play in game.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:16 pm

NYCat wrote:Yeah asu shouldn't be in, they were hovering the 11 line before. Especially if UCLA, Oregon or USC wins the conference tournament. At best ASU should be a play in game.

they're either an 11 seed play-in team or like the #1 overall seed in the NIT

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:17 pm

Please have a camera on them as they announce the field and they're not in.

ProfessorFate · Post by **ProfessorFate** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:22 pm

I'm thinking they move up to a 9 seed.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:22 pm

azgreg wrote:Please have a camera on them as they announce the field and they're not in.

In my mind's eye, they're wearing the Guard U t-shirts when this happens. Then Hurley gives an interview with CBS with his hands behind his back.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:24 pm

according to live-rpi.com asu's rpi is 65 with the #72 SOS. only thing that is keeping them in the discussion are those 2 wins. if they had lost to either xavier or kansas they'd be 100% out right now.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:24 pm

azgreg wrote:Please have a camera on them as they announce the field and they're not in.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:26 pm

NYCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Kansas is one of the more undeserving #1s in recent years.
Everyone should be praying KU is the #1 seed in the West and Arizona is the #4 seed - and hope Gonzaga is not the #5 seed.

Gonzaga is a tough team for anyone to face. I don’t think a 5 seed is justified, and it makes sense to ship Arizona or Gonzaga.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:07 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
NYCat wrote:Yeah asu shouldn't be in, they were hovering the 11 line before. Especially if UCLA, Oregon or USC wins the conference tournament. At best ASU should be a play in game.
they're either an 11 seed play-in team or like the #1 overall seed in the NIT

Don't you have to have a winning conf record to make the NIT or at least even?

BE4RDOWN21 · Post by **BE4RDOWN21** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:11 pm

U.P. Zona Fan wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
NYCat wrote:Yeah asu shouldn't be in, they were hovering the 11 line before. Especially if UCLA, Oregon or USC wins the conference tournament. At best ASU should be a play in game.
they're either an 11 seed play-in team or like the #1 overall seed in the NIT
Don't you have to have a winning conf record to make the NIT or at least even?

They have to have near .500 records and a large fan-base. We'll see how long ASU fans stick around...

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:58 pm

The funny thing about asu's 2 great wins, is I can probably find a team not going to the tournament with 2 wins just as good (though with some bad losses). St. John's immediately comes to mind.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:29 pm

nm confused myself

prh · Post by **prh** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:32 pm

Longhorned wrote:If ASU is in the play-in game, which #1 seed wants to face them in the first round? Kansas and Xavier would no doubt be spared, but how does Villanova and Virginia feel about that? It's one thing with conference foes that know how to plan for ASU. The one-and-out tourney is another thing. Not out of this world to wonder if this would be the first ever 1-seed eliminated by a 16-seed.

LH you being sarcastic or already drunk in vegas? if asu is in a play-in game they'd be an 11 seed

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:37 pm

prh wrote:
Longhorned wrote:If ASU is in the play-in game, which #1 seed wants to face them in the first round? Kansas and Xavier would no doubt be spared, but how does Villanova and Virginia feel about that? It's one thing with conference foes that know how to plan for ASU. The one-and-out tourney is another thing. Not out of this world to wonder if this would be the first ever 1-seed eliminated by a 16-seed.
LH you being sarcastic or already drunk in vegas? if asu is in a play-in game they'd be an 11 seed

No, I actually confused myself. Only three drinks in. Thanks, prh.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:57 pm

U.P. Zona Fan wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
NYCat wrote:Yeah asu shouldn't be in, they were hovering the 11 line before. Especially if UCLA, Oregon or USC wins the conference tournament. At best ASU should be a play in game.
they're either an 11 seed play-in team or like the #1 overall seed in the NIT
Don't you have to have a winning conf record to make the NIT or at least even?

Not anymore.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:26 pm

Oklahoma was listed in the top 16 when the selection committee put their top 16 out a few weeks ago. They just lost again and finished the season at 18-13. Are they now out? Even a worse collapse than ASU.

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:34 pm

Alieberman wrote:Oklahoma was listed in the top 16 when the selection committee put their top 16 out a few weeks ago. They just lost again and finished the season at 18-13. Are they now out? Even a worse collapse than ASU.

No way Oklatraema is out, poster child for WTF?

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:44 pm

CatFanOneMil wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Oklahoma was listed in the top 16 when the selection committee put their top 16 out a few weeks ago. They just lost again and finished the season at 18-13. Are they now out? Even a worse collapse than ASU.
No way Oklatraema is out, poster child for WTF?

Last 15 games they are 4-11

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:52 pm

Alieberman wrote:
CatFanOneMil wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Oklahoma was listed in the top 16 when the selection committee put their top 16 out a few weeks ago. They just lost again and finished the season at 18-13. Are they now out? Even a worse collapse than ASU.
No way Oklatraema is out, poster child for WTF?
Last 15 games they are 4-11

That's sad. But if they are that bad over the past 15 games and Kansas keeps loosing at home like they did ( even against ASU), then that would mean the big 12 is not as good as promoted - and conferences like the PAC-12 are better than being reported.

Can't let that happen.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:43 am

Bracket matrix most accurate bracket has Arizona as a #5 in the West.

1. Kansas
2. Duke
3. Michigan
4. Gonzaga
5. Arizona

Arizona/Gonzaga are playing in Boise (since Gonzaga is a #4 seed they would get a choice of where to play, they would choose Boise most likely)

Asu is out. UCLA the only other pac 12 team to make it

https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/" target="_blank

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I agree we're a #5 seed and can solidify a #4 seed if we get a couple wins during the conference tournament. #3 seed is out of reach.

Here's the bracket matrix bracket ranking

http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html" target="_blank

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:12 am

Lunardi has us as a 4 in the East. ASU and UCLA as play in 11 seeds and USC as a 10 in the West.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:13 am

bring Duke WEST

prh · Post by **prh** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:24 am

If we win the Pac12 tourney, there is no way we are not in San Diego and West region. Whatever your thoughts on the strength of the Pac12, you can't ship the regular and tourney champ. If the committee truly does consider missing players like they say, then we should safely be in SD/West anyways. It seems insane that we're wondering if we are geographically protected when we are safely a 4 in the preview bracket, have been winning since, easily won the Pac12 this year, and only have 3 losses at full strength.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:29 am

Duke is obviously beatable this year. Lots of good pieces on that team, but it hasn’t worked as well as everyone thought it would back in November. AZ can beat them.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:48 am

Seeding doesn't matter.

Region doesn't matter.

Match ups do matter, but even there the variables don't add up to match ups mattering for useful projections and hopes.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:52 am

Only top 4 seeds win the championship, except for UConn of course

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:59 am

4 to 3 is a huge jump because you get one more round, if you advance, without the 1, and a chance of them losing to the 4.

Getting a 1 or 4 has considerable difference from the nearly interchangeable 2/3. Would love to crawl up to a 3. Then, yes, matchups matter. But with so few elite teams in basketball, it will be hard even filling all the 1s with teams to fear. I'd much rather be staring at the #2 in the 2nd weekend than a #1...if we can get out of the 1st weekend, of course.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:04 am

NYCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Kansas is one of the more undeserving #1s in recent years.
Everyone should be praying KU is the #1 seed in the West and Arizona is the #4 seed - and hope Gonzaga is not the #5 seed.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:11 am

ASUHATER! wrote:
SabinoDrifter wrote:those turds in Tempe would be an interesting case if they were to lose today...
if they lose they are like the definition of a bubble team to study for the committee as a thought experiment. good wins in ooc, bad conference and conference result. very bubbly SOS and RPI in the 50s/60s.

Yeah Im not seeing how they can get in. Finished tied for 9th in a conference that probably only gets 2 or 3 teams in the tournament. Only won one of their last 6 games, and that was a home game against a brutal Cal team. The Kansas win loses some of its pop when you look at how Kansas was playing (also losing to UW and barely edging another weaker team). As the season has progressed those two wins (incl Xavier) have looked more and more like flukes or getting the right opponent on the wrong night. RPI 62, BPI 47 and Kenpom 44 aren't enough to push them over the edge for the numbers guys either.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:15 am

ASU is not getting in. Next...

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:24 am

Would sign off on Palm's current bracketology

4 in west vs Buffalo, winner of NMSU/Ohio State, Kansas is the 1, Creighton/FSU 8/9 a legit chance to beat Kansas in the first weekend.

Other (2/3) side of the bracket features Michigan State, North Carolina, TCU, Rhode Island, Texas...

Annnd...no ASU

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:36 am

EVCat wrote:Would sign off on Palm's current bracketology

4 in west vs Buffalo, winner of NMSU/Ohio State, Kansas is the 1, Creighton/FSU 8/9 a legit chance to beat Kansas in the first weekend.

Other (2/3) side of the bracket features Michigan State, North Carolina, TCU, Rhode Island, Texas...

Annnd...no ASU

I'm scared of Michigan State.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:51 am

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:25 am

Longhorned wrote:
Region doesn't matter.

fast fact: did you know that under the leadership of legendary coach Mike Krzyzewski Duke has been to the Final Four 12 times and that none of those 12 trips came when slotted in the WEST Region.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:46 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
EVCat wrote:Would sign off on Palm's current bracketology

4 in west vs Buffalo, winner of NMSU/Ohio State, Kansas is the 1, Creighton/FSU 8/9 a legit chance to beat Kansas in the first weekend.

Other (2/3) side of the bracket features Michigan State, North Carolina, TCU, Rhode Island, Texas...

Annnd...no ASU
I'm scared of Michigan State.

If they got through, that would be a tough game. But I could flip KU and MSU and we would be in line to hit them in the S16, and that would be far worse than this design.

Plus, with all of Michigan State's problems, we might not be the focus of all the "they are evil" discussion

But, yeah...I figure we would have to play someone tough somewhere. I'd just rather have MSU on the other side of the regional and Kansas on ours than vice versa. I like the set up if we have to be a 4. I wouldn't want to be a 3 in their 2 region, tho.

prh · Post by **prh** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:47 am

97cats wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
Region doesn't matter.

fast fact: did you know that under the leadership of legendary coach Mike Krzyzewski Duke has been to the Final Four 12 times and that none of those 12 trips came when slotted in the WEST Region.

I learned that the last time we met them in the West. Would love to do it again

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:54 pm

97cats wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
Region doesn't matter.

fast fact: did you know that under the leadership of legendary coach Mike Krzyzewski Duke has been to the Final Four 12 times and that none of those 12 trips came when slotted in the WEST Region.

I know we all know the NCAA rigs this shit to create TV worthy match-ups instead of "purely" seeding the tournament... I know we know East Coast bias is a thing...

But goddamn does it still get under my skin that Duke (and others) get this kind of deference and we're all supposed to act like they're basketball gods.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:58 pm

97cats wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
Region doesn't matter.

fast fact: did you know that under the leadership of legendary coach Mike Krzyzewski Duke has been to the Final Four 12 times and that none of those 12 trips came when slotted in the WEST Region.

Oh, I know for a fact that Duke has never made it out of the west. And yet I still don't believe that's because of the flight time or time zone or anything else associated with their placement in that region.

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:07 pm

Sexton scores the last three possessions, including the game winning layup, to win the game vs. A&M.

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:12 pm

97cats wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
Region doesn't matter.

fast fact: did you know that under the leadership of legendary coach Mike Krzyzewski Duke has been to the Final Four 12 times and that none of those 12 trips came when slotted in the WEST Region.

When's the last time Arizona made the FF while placed in the West? I honestly don't know the answer, but something tells me it isn't great.

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:10 pm

rgdeuce wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
SabinoDrifter wrote:those turds in Tempe would be an interesting case if they were to lose today...
if they lose they are like the definition of a bubble team to study for the committee as a thought experiment. good wins in ooc, bad conference and conference result. very bubbly SOS and RPI in the 50s/60s.
Yeah Im not seeing how they can get in. Finished tied for 9th in a conference that probably only gets 2 or 3 teams in the tournament. Only won one of their last 6 games, and that was a home game against a brutal Cal team. The Kansas win loses some of its pop when you look at how Kansas was playing (also losing to UW and barely edging another weaker team). As the season has progressed those two wins (incl Xavier) have looked more and more like flukes or getting the right opponent on the wrong night. RPI 62, BPI 47 and Kenpom 44 aren't enough to push them over the edge for the numbers guys either.

The best part about all of this is now they get to sit and wait as more and more bids get stolen.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:10 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
EVCat wrote:Would sign off on Palm's current bracketology

4 in west vs Buffalo, winner of NMSU/Ohio State, Kansas is the 1, Creighton/FSU 8/9 a legit chance to beat Kansas in the first weekend.

Other (2/3) side of the bracket features Michigan State, North Carolina, TCU, Rhode Island, Texas...

Annnd...no ASU
I'm scared of Michigan State.

Do NOT want to see them til the final four. One of only 3(?) teams who are top 20 in both adjO and adjD, and we have seen far less superior Izzo teams go to final fours. Yeah, no thanks.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:12 pm

cats101 wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
SabinoDrifter wrote:those turds in Tempe would be an interesting case if they were to lose today...
if they lose they are like the definition of a bubble team to study for the committee as a thought experiment. good wins in ooc, bad conference and conference result. very bubbly SOS and RPI in the 50s/60s.
Yeah Im not seeing how they can get in. Finished tied for 9th in a conference that probably only gets 2 or 3 teams in the tournament. Only won one of their last 6 games, and that was a home game against a brutal Cal team. The Kansas win loses some of its pop when you look at how Kansas was playing (also losing to UW and barely edging another weaker team). As the season has progressed those two wins (incl Xavier) have looked more and more like flukes or getting the right opponent on the wrong night. RPI 62, BPI 47 and Kenpom 44 aren't enough to push them over the edge for the numbers guys either.
The best part about all of this is now they get to sit and wait as more and more bids get stolen.

Making them sweat, then giving them the bad news will be the ultimate timeline. Lmao

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