2018 PAC 12 Tournament--TMobile Arena

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:47 pm

Longhorned wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Gotta beat those a-holes tomorrow. I hate Alford.
Gonna need to figure out how to contain Holiday, and the answer is unlikely to be "PJC."
Do you double him and make the other guys beat you, or let him go for 40?

He's clearly the hottest player in the Pac at the moment, so Miller has his work cut out prepping for tomorrow. I don't trust any of our guards to stay with him.
We've all been at this watching-on-our-asses long enough to know how this goes down. You don't adjust by way of personnel or the system. In the second go-around, you don't stick Ashley on Kaminsky, and not expect Ashley to get sent to the bench with his second foul with 18:00 to go in the first half. No. You stick with what you've got, and ride it. And you try to put together a solid game within your system.

1) You live with the hell of trying to defend Holliday.

2) You don't let Welsh control the boards and get a double-double. No. One of your two 7-footers outrebounds Welsh this time around.

3) You don't let Gigi Goloman stretch the floor and take over the game. You say, "No. That's Gigi Goloman, not George Gervin. I'm going to break this schoolboy."

4) You don't let Hands go nuts from the perimeter in the first half.

5) You don't let Rawle have a black hole game like he did against UCLA last time. That right there alone is the difference between winning and losing, even if 2-4 somehow go wrong again.

6) You don't let Ayton have the kind of sub-par game he had against ULCA last time, and Colorado last night. Time to get him touches, and time for the best player in college basketball to step up and play like he can.

7) You defend with intensity this time.

It's not about adjustments. It's about doing the things you do better this time around. You do some of 1-7 better this time and you beat UCLA.

Full stop.

Yep, pretty much. It's almost like a football game. Are you gonna let the guy lining up across from you beat you? Because we played like crap against the Bruins at McKale. If I'm not mistaken, I think Ayton was battling some illness that week and little was made of it. I'm sure he's been reminded that was his poorest game in recent memory. So I think that motivation is enough. The wildcard, as usual, is our own point guard play. I never know what we're going to get.

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:37 pm

Flop-fest going on rn between Oregon/Utah. Brown with the best one yet.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:48 pm

Pac 12 refs are showing their shittyness in Vegas. Brutal.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:54 pm

Bye bye Utah

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:56 pm

Oregon sure does love these come from behind wins.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:59 pm

Kenny Wooten is good

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:04 am

Officiating down the stretch was awful, allowing Oregon back in the game. Utah choked away a nice lead but the refs did them no favors by getting Oregon to the line on a bunch of questionable calls.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:21 am

Not that I’m complaining but I got the ariozna game as an encore instead of the live Oregon game last night. (I dvr Arizona games and rewatch during my morning work outs)

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:17 am

CalStateTempe wrote:Not that I’m complaining but I got the ariozna game as an encore instead of the live Oregon game last night. (I dvr Arizona games and rewatch during my morning work outs)

I did too, but I found the Oregon/Utah on FS1 instead. WHY? I have no idea. You would think the Pac 12 Networks would want all games. (I think it was the same the past couple of years where the last game of the day was on another channel).

Mr. Scott, do you have an answer?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:32 am

Longhorned wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Gotta beat those a-holes tomorrow. I hate Alford.
Gonna need to figure out how to contain Holiday, and the answer is unlikely to be "PJC."
Do you double him and make the other guys beat you, or let him go for 40?

He's clearly the hottest player in the Pac at the moment, so Miller has his work cut out prepping for tomorrow. I don't trust any of our guards to stay with him.
We've all been at this watching-on-our-asses long enough to know how this goes down. You don't adjust by way of personnel or the system. In the second go-around, you don't stick Ashley on Kaminsky, and not expect Ashley to get sent to the bench with his second foul with 18:00 to go in the first half. No. You stick with what you've got, and ride it. And you try to put together a solid game within your system.

1) You live with the hell of trying to defend Holliday.

2) You don't let Welsh control the boards and get a double-double. No. One of your two 7-footers outrebounds Welsh this time around.

3) You don't let Gigi Goloman stretch the floor and take over the game. You say, "No. That's Gigi Goloman, not George Gervin. I'm going to break this schoolboy."

4) You don't let Hands go nuts from the perimeter in the first half.

5) You don't let Rawle have a black hole game like he did against UCLA last time. That right there alone is the difference between winning and losing, even if 2-4 somehow go wrong again.

6) You don't let Ayton have the kind of sub-par game he had against ULCA last time, and Colorado last night. Time to get him touches, and time for the best player in college basketball to step up and play like he can.

7) You defend with intensity this time.

It's not about adjustments. It's about doing the things you do better this time around. You do some of 1-7 better this time and you beat UCLA.

Full stop.

I agree with this. We can beat UCLA and should beat UCLA. We didn't the first time through because we didn't play well, not because we're not good enough or because we need to adjust strategy.

We got outrebounded most of the game, and that should never happen. They shot significantly better from 3 and from the field than we did. When you don't match them in any phase of the game, that's pretty much just a call to be better, period.

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:46 am

As much as I hate Alford he generally has his teams ready to go by March...Holiday is good, but it's not like the first time we've played against a good point guard, Welsh is basically Ristic with a corner three and I don't see them triple teaming Ayton which means he gets 24+...

The only issue I see is if Trier is cold, PJC turns the ball over, or we get into foul trouble early...or all three...

The refs in this tourney have been the worst...it is a shitstorm of hacking anytime Ayton touches the ball and he is not allowed to come down in his own space without being called for it as an offensive foul...

And one more thing...Fuck Larry Scott and ESPN.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:30 am

CatFanOneMil wrote:As much as I hate Alford he generally has his teams ready to go by March...Holiday is good, but it's not like the first time we've played against a good point guard, Welsh is basically Ristic with a corner three and I don't see them triple teaming Ayton which means he gets 24+...

The only issue I see is if Trier is cold, PJC turns the ball over, or we get into foul trouble early...or all three...

The refs in this tourney have been the worst...it is a shitstorm of hacking anytime Ayton touches the ball and he is not allowed to come down in his own space without being called for it as an offensive foul...

And one more thing...Fuck Larry Scott and ESPN.

Trier won't be cold today. I think he's pretty locked in right now. Holiday and Welsh are gonna score. It's just what they do. I think the key is making sure a third guy doesn't go off. Make no mistake, we are better than UCLA. We just haven't played consistently, and we did not play well at McKale vs. the Bruins last month. I think we lost that game more than they won it, if you subscribe to that logic.

AZ by 5.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:34 am

CatFanOneMil wrote:As much as I hate Alford he generally has his teams ready to go by March...Holiday is good, but it's not like the first time we've played against a good point guard, Welsh is basically Ristic with a corner three and I don't see them triple teaming Ayton which means he gets 24+...

The only issue I see is if Trier is cold, PJC turns the ball over, or we get into foul trouble early...or all three...

The refs in this tourney have been the worst...it is a shitstorm of hacking anytime Ayton touches the ball and he is not allowed to come down in his own space without being called for it as an offensive foul...

And one more thing...Fuck Larry Scott and ESPN.

Now's when the tournament mentality needs to kick in. Guys like PJC and Rawle who can be up and down need to be up.

Our D has looked a little better, and that needs to continue. Holiday is good, but this time of year, younhave to face good players. This isn't really about strategy now, it's about meeting the challenge.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:59 am

Since the UCLA loss we've only given up more than 70 points once, in the Oregon game without Trier or Miller coaching. Continue that trend and we can definitely win

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:14 am

UCLA is the only Pac team we haven't beat already this year. I know I wanted to play them for payback and I think our team did as well.

And Ayton had a subpar game yesterday.... I wouldn't bet on 2 in a row.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:23 am

Holiday scares the dickens out of me in this game, particularly on a neutral floor -- PJC with a very positive game yesterday, he will be tested again.

i dont expect a sleepwalking DeAndre Ayton again either.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:25 am

97cats wrote:Holiday scares the dickens out of me in this game, particularly on a neutral floor -- PJC with a very positive game yesterday, he will be tested again.

i dont expect a sleepwalking DeAndre Ayton again either.

No one's hotter than Holiday right now. He's at a Kemba Walker level. It's never easy to get past a player like that so late in the season.

But top to bottom, we're the better team. If Ayton does what he's capable of, PJC has another solid game, turnovers are low, and we hit FTs, I think we win a close game.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:42 am

I agree with 97, Holiday looks unstoppable. I was surprised when I saw the book open the line at AZ -4.5 and now I am even more shocked it has moved to -5.5

Of course it could be that there are 10K AZ fans here pushing the line up against about 1000 bruin faithful (can we call there fans that?)

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:03 am

UCLA is traditionally bad away from home, under Alford

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:19 am

Bug getting an early start on his “woe to UCLA playing Arizona” passive aggressive posting for tong It game.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:21 am

MrBug708 wrote:UCLA is traditionally bad away from home, under Alford

Except when they play in Tucson

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:31 am

CatFanOneMil wrote:As much as I hate Alford he generally has his teams ready to go by March...Holiday is good, but it's not like the first time we've played against a good point guard, Welsh is basically Ristic with a corner three and I don't see them triple teaming Ayton which means he gets 24+...

The only issue I see is if Trier is cold, PJC turns the ball over, or we get into foul trouble early...or all three...

The refs in this tourney have been the worst...it is a shitstorm of hacking anytime Ayton touches the ball and he is not allowed to come down in his own space without being called for it as an offensive foul...

And one more thing...Fuck Larry Scott and ESPN.

Not sure I agree on Alford

2014: Took over a loaded UCLA team that got a 4 seed. Beat 13 seed Tulsa and were gifted 12 seed Steven A Austin before losing in sweet 16 by double digits to 1 seed Florida.
2015: Beat 6 seed SMU on a complete horseshit/lucky goaltending call that wasnt even close, and then beat a gift 14 seed UAB before losing by double digits to Gonzaga in sweet 16.
2016: No appearance
2017: Very strong team, beat a 14 and 6 as a 3 seed and lost in the sweet 16 by double digits to 2 seed Kentucky.

So basically, three sweet 16s, all those games lost by double digits. Their only win against a higher seed came off a blown goaltending call in 2015 wherein they should have been sent home with a first round loss.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:34 am

azcat49 wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:UCLA is traditionally bad away from home, under Alford
Except when they play in Tucson

Then they play their best game of the year

BE4RDOWN21 · Post by **BE4RDOWN21** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:55 am

Goloman going for 16 and Hands hitting some daggers hurt us along with the fact that Rawle was nonexistent. I think if we control the boards, and limit Holiday to 20, we'll be fine.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:02 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Bug getting an early start on his “woe to UCLA playing Arizona” passive aggressive posting for tong It game.

Haha. In 5 years, Alford has 3 road sweeps. All last year with Lonzo Ball. Time to give it a rest.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:03 pm

azcat49 wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:UCLA is traditionally bad away from home, under Alford
Except when they play in Tucson

Sellouts are overrated.

Wait, was that passive aggressive?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:04 pm

rgdeuce wrote:
CatFanOneMil wrote:As much as I hate Alford he generally has his teams ready to go by March...Holiday is good, but it's not like the first time we've played against a good point guard, Welsh is basically Ristic with a corner three and I don't see them triple teaming Ayton which means he gets 24+...

The only issue I see is if Trier is cold, PJC turns the ball over, or we get into foul trouble early...or all three...

The refs in this tourney have been the worst...it is a shitstorm of hacking anytime Ayton touches the ball and he is not allowed to come down in his own space without being called for it as an offensive foul...

And one more thing...Fuck Larry Scott and ESPN.
Not sure I agree on Alford
2014: Took over a loaded UCLA team that got a 4 seed. Beat 13 seed Tulsa and were gifted 12 seed Steven A Austin before losing in sweet 16 by double digits to 1 seed Florida.
2015: Beat 6 seed SMU on a complete horseshit/lucky goaltending call that wasnt even close, and then beat a gift 14 seed UAB before losing by double digits to Gonzaga in sweet 16.
2016: No appearance
2017: Very strong team, beat a 14 and 6 as a 3 seed and lost in the sweet 16 by double digits to 2 seed Kentucky.

So basically, three sweet 16s, all those games lost by double digits. Their only win against a higher seed came off a blown goaltending call in 2015 wherein they should have been sent home with a first round loss.

I see Alford like this. In the regular season, he underachieves. Come postseason, the results come closer to mirroring the talent level.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:39 pm

rgdeuce wrote:
CatFanOneMil wrote:As much as I hate Alford he generally has his teams ready to go by March...Holiday is good, but it's not like the first time we've played against a good point guard, Welsh is basically Ristic with a corner three and I don't see them triple teaming Ayton which means he gets 24+...

The only issue I see is if Trier is cold, PJC turns the ball over, or we get into foul trouble early...or all three...

The refs in this tourney have been the worst...it is a shitstorm of hacking anytime Ayton touches the ball and he is not allowed to come down in his own space without being called for it as an offensive foul...

And one more thing...Fuck Larry Scott and ESPN.
Not sure I agree on Alford
2014: Took over a loaded UCLA team that got a 4 seed. Beat 13 seed Tulsa and were gifted 12 seed Steven A Austin before losing in sweet 16 by double digits to 1 seed Florida.
2015: Beat 6 seed SMU on a complete horseshit/lucky goaltending call that wasnt even close, and then beat a gift 14 seed UAB before losing by double digits to Gonzaga in sweet 16.
2016: No appearance
2017: Very strong team, beat a 14 and 6 as a 3 seed and lost in the sweet 16 by double digits to 2 seed Kentucky.

So basically, three sweet 16s, all those games lost by double digits. Their only win against a higher seed came off a blown goaltending call in 2015 wherein they should have been sent home with a first round loss.

Tell em

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:45 pm

rgdeuce wrote:
CatFanOneMil wrote:As much as I hate Alford he generally has his teams ready to go by March...Holiday is good, but it's not like the first time we've played against a good point guard, Welsh is basically Ristic with a corner three and I don't see them triple teaming Ayton which means he gets 24+...

The only issue I see is if Trier is cold, PJC turns the ball over, or we get into foul trouble early...or all three...

The refs in this tourney have been the worst...it is a shitstorm of hacking anytime Ayton touches the ball and he is not allowed to come down in his own space without being called for it as an offensive foul...

And one more thing...Fuck Larry Scott and ESPN.
Not sure I agree on Alford
2014: Took over a loaded UCLA team that got a 4 seed. Beat 13 seed Tulsa and were gifted 12 seed Steven A Austin before losing in sweet 16 by double digits to 1 seed Florida.
2015: Beat 6 seed SMU on a complete horseshit/lucky goaltending call that wasnt even close, and then beat a gift 14 seed UAB before losing by double digits to Gonzaga in sweet 16.
2016: No appearance
2017: Very strong team, beat a 14 and 6 as a 3 seed and lost in the sweet 16 by double digits to 2 seed Kentucky.

So basically, three sweet 16s, all those games lost by double digits. Their only win against a higher seed came off a blown goaltending call in 2015 wherein they should have been sent home with a first round loss.

Don't forget ucla should not have even been in the tournament in one of those years and debatable on another year

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:03 pm

U of A fans are out in FORCE in Vegas. Last night after a couple drinks I think I went up to every U of A fan I saw and Said "Fuck ESPN and Bear Down"....some women in her 60's told me she wanted to kick Jay Bilas in his balls. I love U of A fans!

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:44 pm

Newportcat wrote:U of A fans are out in FORCE in Vegas. Last night after a couple drinks I think I went up to every U of A fan I saw and Said "Fuck ESPN and Bear Down"....some women in her 60's told me she wanted to kick Jay Bilas in his balls. I love U of A fans!

This is everything to me.

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:52 pm

What I would love to see happen is for us to avenge 3 of our 4 PAC-12 losses -- Rado, UCLA, and Oregon. If it went down that way, do you think it would have any impact on how the selection committee views us?

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:57 pm

BBQ wildcat wrote:What I would love to see happen is for us to avenge 3 of our 4 PAC-12 losses -- Rado, UCLA, and Oregon. If it went down that way, do you think it would have any impact on how the selection committee views us?

I have half a mind to say the selection committee doesn't care about anything after January.

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:19 pm

Longhorned wrote:
BBQ wildcat wrote:What I would love to see happen is for us to avenge 3 of our 4 PAC-12 losses -- Rado, UCLA, and Oregon. If it went down that way, do you think it would have any impact on how the selection committee views us?
I have half a mind to say the selection committee doesn't care about anything after January.

It sure will seem like it if ASsU gets in. But avenging 3 of our losses would still be very, very sweet.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:33 pm

Most important question - did Olsondogg have a beer with Machina?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:36 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:Most important question - did Olsondogg have a beer with Machina?

To be clear he said he'd buy him one, not drink one with him.

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:01 pm

No picture = never happened.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:19 pm

Congrats guys. Owned the OT

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:23 pm

MrBug708 wrote:Congrats guys. Owned the OT

Thanks. I was worried UCLA was just a bad matchup for us. Good luck on Sunday, I hope you guys get in.

Two down, one left.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:24 pm

MrBug708 wrote:Congrats guys. Owned the OT

What the hell did we do?

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:24 pm

UCLA should get in and they have the talent to win some games.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:26 pm

Somebody once said...win the Pac 12 regular season championship, win the Pac 12 Tourney and its' a 3 seed in the West.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:27 pm

Longhorned wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:Congrats guys. Owned the OT
What the hell did we do?

I don't know about you, but I Bear Down'd pretty damn hard.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:28 pm

Alieberman wrote:UCLA should get in and they have the talent to win some games.

First time I've seen Welch in person - he's a gopd player, and an awesome rebounder - credit where credit is due...

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:29 pm

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:31 pm

I hope we get a shot at Oregon again. If we can show the committee a regular season title, tournament title, a 5-0 finish to the season and wins over 3 of the teams that beat us in the tournament, that definitely gets a 3 seed.

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:43 pm

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:45 pm

SunnyAZ wrote:

Hell yeah!

TheCat · Post by **TheCat** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:52 pm

UCLA will surprise alot of folks. I will tell you that handoff action they run between Welsh and Holiday at the top of the key is deadly. They can score on that one play almost every time. Clearly a tourney team.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:52 pm

KO is hilarious tonight, said he got run out of Tucson

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