NCAA Tournament Game 1, vs. Buffalo (2017-2018)

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:37 pm

Bangkok Wildcat wrote:Wichita State all over again...so damned depressing

It really is.

I'd take a guy like Justin Simon right now.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:38 pm

NYCat wrote:Feel like this is the beginning of the end of the Miller era, it'll never be the same .

Won't even make the tourney next year with a bunch of scrubs.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:38 pm

pc in NM wrote:Whats the over/under on # days until Miller leaves?

Is that a good or bad thing?

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:38 pm

Randolph, Akot in. PJC out.

Why Trier is still in is one of the dysfunctions of this program IMHO.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:39 pm

in the last 7.5 minutes we've scored 5 points? lmfao

ok now make it 7 points in the last 8 minutes.

that's a typical miller staple as well

Gladiator Cat · Post by **Gladiator Cat** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:39 pm

Merkin wrote:
NYCat wrote:Feel like this is the beginning of the end of the Miller era, it'll never be the same .
Won't even make the tourney next year with a bunch of scrubs.

Next year is going to be brutal. Blue Blood my ass.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:40 pm

SCCats wrote:
Bangkok Wildcat wrote:Wichita State all over again...so damned depressing
Xavier too

And the commonality among these three games is trier playing like trash

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:40 pm

Merkin wrote:
NYCat wrote:Feel like this is the beginning of the end of the Miller era, it'll never be the same .
Won't even make the tourney next year with a bunch of scrubs.

Forgot what year it was but with howland you could tell it was coming to the end, even if it took a year or two more. wheels came apart earlier

Post by **UAdevil** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:40 pm

O/U on next tourney appearance? 4.5?

jsbowl16 · Post by **jsbowl16** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:40 pm

I am so fucking sick and tired of watching everyone get beat off the dribble.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:41 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
SCCats wrote:
Bangkok Wildcat wrote:Wichita State all over again...so damned depressing
Xavier too
And the commonality among these three games is trier playing like trash

Yep.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:41 pm

Merkin wrote:
NYCat wrote:Feel like this is the beginning of the end of the Miller era, it'll never be the same .
Won't even make the tourney next year with a bunch of scrubs.

The PAC is terrible. Most mid majors would love to have our scrubs. We could easily recruit guys like Buffalo has. But we go for the big splash 5 stars, don't give them the ball, or allow them to be ballhogs and terrible defenders.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:41 pm

pathetic end to an era

Gladiator Cat · Post by **Gladiator Cat** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:41 pm

About to be a 20 point loss to a 13 seed. The bloom is off the Miller rose for sure.

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:41 pm

phxcat23 wrote:I just don't understand how we are not prepared. We knew Buffalo is going to live and die by the 3. Yet they are manhandling us and getting open looks all night. Just don't get it at all. They clearly prepped for Ayton/Ristic, but we look like we didn't do shit

Did you forget how bad a defensive team we have been all year? This isn't all that surprising if you look at the makeup of Buffalo's team. If we couldn't take advantage of our size on offense, which we didn't, there was no chance we could win. Deandre had no chance to defend that guard, and was pulled away from the hoop all game

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:41 pm

Just don't care what happens this off season. Can it really get any worse?

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:42 pm

zonagrad wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:
SCCats wrote:
Bangkok Wildcat wrote:Wichita State all over again...so damned depressing
Xavier too
And the commonality among these three games is trier playing like trash
Yep.

And the inability or refusal to involve our best player.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:42 pm

NYCat wrote:
Merkin wrote:
NYCat wrote:Feel like this is the beginning of the end of the Miller era, it'll never be the same .
Won't even make the tourney next year with a bunch of scrubs.
Forgot what year it was but with howland you could tell it was coming to the end, even if it took a year or two more. wheels came apart earlier

Yup

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:42 pm

Some of you young guys won't remember, but this game is exactly like 1992 vs. East Tennessee State. We had a big front line then and unathletic, soft guard play. And we got handled. Same thing. We'd be a different looking team in the backcourt with Justin Simon and Kobi Simmons.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:42 pm

This entire starting five needs to leave Tucson ASAP.

We may have just scrubs next year, but damned if they won't play harder than this.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:42 pm

Alieberman wrote:pathetic end to an era

gladiator wrote:About to be a 20 point loss to a 13 seed. The bloom is off the Miller rose for sure.

I hate to say this/speculate, but this really does feel like the end of an era right here.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:43 pm

DrWildcat wrote:Just don't care what happens this off season. Can it really get any worse?

Depends if you think Miller leaving is better or worse for the program right now.

krissyp · Post by **krissyp** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:43 pm

While watching the games today and seeing one upset by a buzzer beater, I thought wow only one, there should be another today. For a second I thought ours might be the one. Sorry to say I had that thought and it happened. This sucks, what a waste.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:43 pm

DrWildcat wrote:Just don't care what happens this off season. Can it really get any worse?

Yes.

Hansen will be proven to be right.

Lando05 · Post by **Lando05** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:43 pm

catgrad97 wrote:Randolph, Akot in. PJC out.

Why Trier is still in is one of the dysfunctions of this program IMHO.

Exactly when you don't hold your "stars" accountable how is the team going to respond.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:44 pm

billk78 wrote:
zonagrad wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:
SCCats wrote:
Bangkok Wildcat wrote:Wichita State all over again...so damned depressing
Xavier too
And the commonality among these three games is trier playing like trash
Yep.
And the inability or refusal to involve our best player.

Yep.

And I’m sorry if I give two shits about triers advanced metrics when he absolutely kills us when it matters then most.

You want be a big baller you gotta take the big baller criticism.

So much athleticism and such as waste for us

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:45 pm

Gladiator Cat wrote:About to be a 20 point loss to a 13 seed. The bloom is off the Miller rose for sure.

It's a personnel problem. Not a coaching problem. It's amazing that Miller coached this roster to a regular season title & conference tourney title. Our guards are really, really bad. PJC, for all his effort in the conference tourney, is not the caliber of guard. And Trier has no shot in the NBA.

Gladiator Cat · Post by **Gladiator Cat** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:46 pm

Guys if you want the brutal truth and being honest. Outside of Ayton, our talent is not that good. It sounds crazy but it's true.

FreeSpiritCat · Post by **FreeSpiritCat** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:46 pm

Is this the worst a 4 seed has ever lost to a 13 seed? Arizona never did seem to be playing right all season. Their basketball IQ was just too low.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:46 pm

exactly why is buffalo launching 3's with under 2 to go and up 19?

way to add yourselves to the douchebag list buffalo.

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:46 pm

oh Buffalo cleared out a side and ran a pick n pop so when we hard hedge the popper will be wide open? say it ain't so. not like every team has run that the last five years against us

AZMoon · Post by **AZMoon** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:47 pm

Gladiator Cat wrote:Guys if you want the brutal truth and being honest. Outside of Ayton, our talent is not that good. It sounds crazy but it's true.

You can't win without good guards. We haven't recruited good guards for a while.

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:47 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:exactly why is buffalo launching 3's with under 2 to go and up 19?

way to add yourselves to the douchebag list buffalo.

That's BS. They deserve this moment

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:48 pm

zonagrad wrote:
Gladiator Cat wrote:About to be a 20 point loss to a 13 seed. The bloom is off the Miller rose for sure.
It's a personnel problem. Not a coaching problem. It's amazing that Miller coached this roster to a regular season title & conference tourney title. Our guards are really, really bad. PJC, for all his effort in the conference tourney, is not the caliber of guard. And Trier has no shot in the NBA.

But isn't the personnel Miller's choice? He stuck with PJC when everyone knew he couldn't take us far. Doesn't draw up plays to get the ball to our best guys?? Miller isn't blameless at all.

Im upset and maybe overreacting, but I honestly won't miss Trier at all. This team may have been better off without him. Good luck in the NBA to De'Andre. Ristic gave some effort. Overall this was an embarassment and downright pathetic

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:48 pm

pc in NM wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:Just don't care what happens this off season. Can it really get any worse?
Yes.

Hansen will be proven to be right.

Hansen was still wrong and still needs to be fired for his unethical journalism if nothing else.

But you have to be willing to put your program in the best position to win. Every game.

"Do what we do" no longer does anything.

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:48 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
billk78 wrote:
zonagrad wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:
SCCats wrote: Xavier too
And the commonality among these three games is trier playing like trash
Yep.
And the inability or refusal to involve our best player.
Yep.

And I’m sorry if I give two shits about triers advanced metrics when he absolutely kills us when it matters then most.

You want be a big baller you gotta take the big baller criticism.

So much athleticism and such as waste for us

He is soft mentally. Always worried about what everyone thinks of him. Said he he was snubbed from for the West award final 5 (he was) and to see what he does the rest of the way. Well we did and it was horrible.

phxcat23 · Post by **phxcat23** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:48 pm

The 1 positive, Dusan played a hell of a game. I couldn't stand him when he first came, but he has made some huge improvements. Had 16 tonigh, 7/8 from the field, and you could tell he was ready to go. The rest of the team, not so much. I respect him for his effort and intensity tonight.

Phylek · Post by **Phylek** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:48 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:exactly why is buffalo launching 3's with under 2 to go and up 19?

way to add yourselves to the douchebag list buffalo.

They're the 13 seed against a preseason #1 and final four contender. If we let them win by 20 we deserve whatever they want to do to us.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:49 pm

Gladiator Cat wrote:Guys if you want the brutal truth and being honest. Outside of Ayton, our talent is not that good. It sounds crazy but it's true.

Yep. And this has been the problem all year.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:49 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:exactly why is buffalo launching 3's with under 2 to go and up 19?

way to add yourselves to the douchebag list buffalo.

I don't blame them. Not many people gave them a shot and they came out and outworked us and our NBA stars.

Phylek · Post by **Phylek** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:50 pm

Alkins and Trier never bought into the defense. Their whole career.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:50 pm

phxcat23 wrote:The 1 positive, Dusan played a hell of a game. I couldn't stand him when he first came, but he has made some huge improvements. Had 16 tonigh, 7/8 from the field, and you could tell he was ready to go. The rest of the team, not so much. I respect him for his effort and intensity tonight.

Totally agree. He won me over. Outside of him there was 0 effort tonight.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:50 pm

dcZONAfan wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:exactly why is buffalo launching 3's with under 2 to go and up 19?

way to add yourselves to the douchebag list buffalo.
That's BS. They deserve this moment

Nobody said they didn't deserve to beat us. (or that they don't deserve their moment)

I said it's a douchebag move to launch back to back 3's when you're already up 19 with under 2 to play.

That's true regardless of who wins and loses in the game.

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:50 pm

Phylek wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:exactly why is buffalo launching 3's with under 2 to go and up 19?

way to add yourselves to the douchebag list buffalo.
They're the 13 seed against a preseason #1 and final four contender. If we let them win by 20 we deserve whatever they want to do to us.

Bingo

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:50 pm

Phylek wrote:Alkins and Trier never bought into the defense. Their whole career.

Nope (as in no, they never did buy in)

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:50 pm

Phylek wrote:Alkins and Trier never bought into the defense. Their whole career.

Still not sure how Alkins is even considered NBA ready. I like the dude and he has potential. But he isnt ready.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:51 pm

Phylek wrote:Alkins and Trier never bought into the defense. Their whole career.

True.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:51 pm

Kudos to Buffalo. They totally kicked our ass and deserve this moment.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:52 pm

billk78 wrote:
zonagrad wrote:
Gladiator Cat wrote:About to be a 20 point loss to a 13 seed. The bloom is off the Miller rose for sure.
It's a personnel problem. Not a coaching problem. It's amazing that Miller coached this roster to a regular season title & conference tourney title. Our guards are really, really bad. PJC, for all his effort in the conference tourney, is not the caliber of guard. And Trier has no shot in the NBA.
But isn't the personnel Miller's choice? He stuck with PJC when everyone knew he couldn't take us far. Doesn't draw up plays to get the ball to our best guys?? Miller isn't blameless at all.

Im upset and maybe overreacting, but I honestly won't miss Trier at all. This team may have been better off without him. Good luck in the NBA to De'Andre. Ristic gave some effort. Overall this was an embarassment and downright pathetic

Of course the personnel are on Miller. But you can't make a trade in midseason. If guys like Simon & Simmons don't leave, is PJC really on the floor this season? The plays are set up to get the ball to our best player. The execution isn't there. Miller isn't drawing up plays for Trier to take contested 3's. But when your guards can't recognize what is happening and take advantage there's not a lot a coach can do. And that's why it's so maddening for a coach and the fans.

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:53 pm

billk78 wrote:
Phylek wrote:Alkins and Trier never bought into the defense. Their whole career.
Still not sure how Alkins is even considered NBA ready. I like the dude and he has potential. But he isnt ready.

Yeah, he has zero elite skills. I'm not even sure what he is actually good at. He is decent at many things, so I guess there's that. And then, there is his dribbling ability and his defense, which are both horrendous

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