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Spaceman Spiff wrote:I don't see what choice we have other than to leap to conclusions. Miller is gone, and we are replacing him with whoever is in the front of my mind at this moment.ByJoveByJingle wrote:Stop being reasonable. There’s no room for that at a time like this.midnightx wrote:No need to jump to conclusions based on a Pitt blog post.
I'm reading a book on WWII and the North African campaign and am up to Rommel's offensive towards Kasserine Pass, so I smell a Desert Fox part 2.U.P. Zona Fan wrote:Elle McPherson? What?Spaceman Spiff wrote:I don't see what choice we have other than to leap to conclusions. Miller is gone, and we are replacing him with whoever is in the front of my mind at this moment.ByJoveByJingle wrote:Stop being reasonable. There’s no room for that at a time like this.midnightx wrote:No need to jump to conclusions based on a Pitt blog post.
Well yeah, I mean, I'd take the job too, and I'm about as much in the ballpark as Miles.TatetheGreat wrote:We all know he'd answer the Cat signal
I think he'd have better references.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Well yeah, I mean, I'd take the job too, and I'm about as much in the ballpark as Miles.
Crazy local media actually backs their team?!!SabinoDrifter wrote:Pitt is so desperate to be relevant in football/men's basketball. I wouldn't believe anything coming from the Pittsburgh media, they're a mouthpiece for the athletic department.
As others noted, Hurley turned them down and I seriously doubt they were even a consideration.
Who knows what happens with Miller, just playing devil's advocate here.
I know people.TatetheGreat wrote:I think he'd have better references.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Well yeah, I mean, I'd take the job too, and I'm about as much in the ballpark as Miles.
It's not really backing their team, moreso Pittsburgh is a pro sports town and Pitt athletics fights for attention.CalStateTempe wrote:Crazy local media actually backs their team?!!SabinoDrifter wrote:Pitt is so desperate to be relevant in football/men's basketball. I wouldn't believe anything coming from the Pittsburgh media, they're a mouthpiece for the athletic department.
As others noted, Hurley turned them down and I seriously doubt they were even a consideration.
Who knows what happens with Miller, just playing devil's advocate here.
Thank you for explaining it to me clearer. I can understand & get behind all of that. I guess I just feel like (first four-five years especially) Miller took me (my lens) from being worried Arizona was going to be UNLV & handled the program in a way that reminded me of my Olson upbringing, even though it was completely different. Arizona basketball was fun again, even when it felt snake bit.97cats wrote:first i dont think youre misreading anything, i can fully understand why you still feel this way about Miller and im sure there are far more of you than me, i appreciate that.Bear Down Vegas wrote:
97 - you are my favorite. You know this. I have a hard time remembering disagreeing with you & the couple times we've shared drinks & games have been fantastic. I do wonder though - because we haven't spoken a lot recently & I could have missed posts - how does the problem at PG the last couple years translate to, "It's time for a fresh start" or "turn the page"?
I'm still at ride or die with Coach Miller. I think he's the best option we have - and I don't think it's even a bad option - flaws & mistakes & all. Am I misreading something?
Cheers,
BDV
as for the PG, it has nothing to do with the quotes above other than the gaping hole at that spot was the beginning of the downturn on the floor, and led to so much of the problems for Arizona both on/off (accountability, chemistry, leadership, etc.) the floor including the NCAA Tournament results that consequently has been one of the black eyes against Miller (imo) as we sit here today.
the larger issue is the situation with Book and the FBI and how Miller is perceived across the college basketball landscape, mesh that together with the off court issues and noise in Tucson and the failed performance on the floor and we are where we are nine years deep through my lens.
if Miler woulda had Final Four success on the floor any of the last 5-6 years the issues off the floor would be mitigated a bit due to the equity he woulda built (to AZ Fans and such) on the floor in the form of tournament success.
the PG over the last three years (and to a larger extent the guards in general who Miller road) have put him/us here because the results on the floor when it counted were well below average, and its a damn shame.
off the floor Miller has an entirely different ball of wax to contend with that is under a much finer microscope due to the content/message above.
I think he was only the COY in the Japan Basketball League.Merkin wrote:No alums without any prior success as a head coach at the collegiate level!!!!
Even Reggie Geary would be a better choice than Simon. At least Geary was COY in the NBDL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggie_Geary" target="_blankChooChooCat wrote:I think he was only the COY in the Japan Basketball League.Merkin wrote:No alums without any prior success as a head coach at the collegiate level!!!!
Even Reggie Geary would be a better choice than Simon. At least Geary was COY in the NBDL.
In 2012, Geary was named coach of the year while at the helm for the Japanese professional basketball league's Yokohama B-Corsairs.[3] The following season, Geary led the B-Corsairs to the league title, becoming the league's first foreign-born coach to win the championship.[8]
Because speculation springs eternal.Beachcat97 wrote:I mean, Sean issued an unequivocal statement saying he's not a candidate at Pitt, so I'm a little confused why this remains a topic of interest on here.
Larry SmithBeachcat97 wrote:I mean, Sean issued an unequivocal statement saying he's not a candidate at Pitt, so I'm a little confused why this remains a topic of interest on here.
Beachcat97 wrote:I mean, Sean issued an unequivocal statement saying he's not a candidate at Pitt, so I'm a little confused why this remains a topic of interest on here.
Is there a significance to Bosy?PHXCATS wrote:Larry SmithBeachcat97 wrote:I mean, Sean issued an unequivocal statement saying he's not a candidate at Pitt, so I'm a little confused why this remains a topic of interest on here.
Nick Saban
Roy Williams
I dont think he will go to Pitt but Bosy seems very convinced and there is history of people saying they arent going somewhere then going there days later.
Again I dont think it is the case, I dont want it to be the case, and Sean has shown to have more integrity and honesty than those above, but with Bosy being so convinced and then this happening today, it is at least a little interesting.
I'm having a hard time understanding the strong objection to former 'Cats as possible HCs, especially guys with college coaching experience like Simon and Stoudamire.Merkin wrote:No alums without any prior success as a head coach at the collegiate level!!!!
Even Reggie Geary would be a better choice than Simon. At least Geary was COY in the NBDL.
Simon hasn't been in college coaching for awhile now. I think that should tell you something. Stoudamire is just starting as a HC at a small school. Maybe he becomes a desirable coach in the future but at the current time he hasn't proved himself enough to be in consideration.Beachcat97 wrote:I'm having a hard time understanding the strong objection to former 'Cats as possible HCs, especially guys with college coaching experience like Simon and Stoudamire.Merkin wrote:No alums without any prior success as a head coach at the collegiate level!!!!
Even Reggie Geary would be a better choice than Simon. At least Geary was COY in the NBDL.
Brad Stevens: was an assistant at Butler for 6 years before getting hired as the HC.
Chris Mack: assistant at Xavier for 5 years before being promoted to HC.
Mark Few: assistant at Zaga for 9 years before being promoted to HC.
Everybody's gotta start somewhere. Simon has already been an assistant at AZ and is currently an assistant for the Lakers. Stoudamire has also been an assistant for us and has only recently started as HC at Pacific.
I get that these two in particular do not have the kind of experience we'd like to see for an AZ coaching candidate, but they're also Wildcats and understand Lute's legacy and the expectations at this program.
If Miller's days are numbered in Tucson, I'd definitely be open to interviewing some former Cats about the job.
Miller is a closer. Eager to see what comes of his recent in home visits.azcat49 wrote:I will say it does seem bit weird. Miller appears to be on the recruiting trail and making progress on bringing BW back into the fold and has Doutrive (sp) looking like he will ink with us. Also grabbing a couple other guys late seems plausible. Just seems weird to blow up all this work.
Not even close.CalStateTempe wrote:Crazy local media actually backs their team?!!SabinoDrifter wrote:Pitt is so desperate to be relevant in football/men's basketball. I wouldn't believe anything coming from the Pittsburgh media, they're a mouthpiece for the athletic department.
As others noted, Hurley turned them down and I seriously doubt they were even a consideration.
Who knows what happens with Miller, just playing devil's advocate here.
A large percentage of their fan base is convinced he coming.CalStateTempe wrote:What’s going on?
I step away for a few days and now we are scared that Miller is going to Pitt? What Azcat49 said. This doesn’t make sense if he’s out there recruiting bw and that other dude.
Concise & perfectly put. You win today.prh wrote:With any "definitive" post here, take a moment to remember which posters want Miller gone, which want him to stay, and which are open to real discussion about the pros/cons of both options. That will drastically change how you interpret most stuff said.
Can you make us a scorecard?prh wrote:With any "definitive" post here, take a moment to remember which posters want Miller gone, which want him to stay, and which are open to real discussion about the pros/cons of both options. That will drastically change how you interpret most stuff said.
Point taken, DrW.DrWildcat wrote:Simon hasn't been in college coaching for awhile now. I think that should tell you something. Stoudamire is just starting as a HC at a small school. Maybe he becomes a desirable coach in the future but at the current time he hasn't proved himself enough to be in consideration.Beachcat97 wrote:I'm having a hard time understanding the strong objection to former 'Cats as possible HCs, especially guys with college coaching experience like Simon and Stoudamire.Merkin wrote:No alums without any prior success as a head coach at the collegiate level!!!!
Even Reggie Geary would be a better choice than Simon. At least Geary was COY in the NBDL.
Brad Stevens: was an assistant at Butler for 6 years before getting hired as the HC.
Chris Mack: assistant at Xavier for 5 years before being promoted to HC.
Mark Few: assistant at Zaga for 9 years before being promoted to HC.
Everybody's gotta start somewhere. Simon has already been an assistant at AZ and is currently an assistant for the Lakers. Stoudamire has also been an assistant for us and has only recently started as HC at Pacific.
I get that these two in particular do not have the kind of experience we'd like to see for an AZ coaching candidate, but they're also Wildcats and understand Lute's legacy and the expectations at this program.
If Miller's days are numbered in Tucson, I'd definitely be open to interviewing some former Cats about the job.
Hiring alumni when there is a good chance that you will have to fire them because they're not a good enough coach for a program like Arizona is not desirable. It just becomes messy. We are a good enough program that we can get a coach that is highly regarded without being afraid that they use us as a stepping stone. Why hire an unqualified alumni just because they're an alumni? We can and should do better.
I want him to stay. He is a good coach. If we trade a good coach, the likelihood is a trade down. The external factors are not different based on coach.ByJoveByJingle wrote:Can you make us a scorecard?prh wrote:With any "definitive" post here, take a moment to remember which posters want Miller gone, which want him to stay, and which are open to real discussion about the pros/cons of both options. That will drastically change how you interpret most stuff said.
I’m in the “I see pros/cons” camp and can’t develop a strong opinion. But I do plead guilty to the roving eye syndrome like when you’ve begun considering buying a new car or house or S.O. Considering the options becomes intoxicating until you’ve talked yourself into the need to make a move.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I want him to stay. He is a good coach. If we trade a good coach, the likelihood is a trade down. The external factors are not different based on coach.ByJoveByJingle wrote:Can you make us a scorecard?prh wrote:With any "definitive" post here, take a moment to remember which posters want Miller gone, which want him to stay, and which are open to real discussion about the pros/cons of both options. That will drastically change how you interpret most stuff said.
Yup. Everyone else is better...until they're here and start losing a few.ByJoveByJingle wrote:I’m in the “I see pros/cons” camp and can’t develop a strong opinion. But I do plead guilty to the roving eye syndrome like when you’ve begun considering buying a new car or house or S.O. Considering the options becomes intoxicating until you’ve talked yourself into the need to make a move.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I want him to stay. He is a good coach. If we trade a good coach, the likelihood is a trade down. The external factors are not different based on coach.ByJoveByJingle wrote:Can you make us a scorecard?prh wrote:With any "definitive" post here, take a moment to remember which posters want Miller gone, which want him to stay, and which are open to real discussion about the pros/cons of both options. That will drastically change how you interpret most stuff said.
Could be just a poor choice of words and Emmert referring to the conversations that were outlined in the original indictments.btfd16 wrote: If Mark Emmert read the transcripts and still let Arizona decide the fate of Miller, you'd have to think the tapes would exonerate him right?
The wiretaps will come to light sooner or later. I think the NCAA, Arizona and Miller all know that. I've felt since Miller laid out the offer and said he rejected it during his press conference that there's no way he would have been that specific unless that was definitely coming in the wiretaps. Otherwise, there would be no reason to be that specific.btfd16 wrote: If Mark Emmert read the transcripts and still let Arizona decide the fate of Miller, you'd have to think the tapes would exonerate him right?
Not necessarily but probablybtfd16 wrote: If Mark Emmert read the transcripts and still let Arizona decide the fate of Miller, you'd have to think the tapes would exonerate him right?
A large percentage of their fan base also thought they could do better than Jamie Dixon. How did that work out? Kind of reminds me of this board after a first round tourney loss.azgreg wrote:A large percentage of their fan base is convinced he coming.CalStateTempe wrote:What’s going on?
I step away for a few days and now we are scared that Miller is going to Pitt? What Azcat49 said. This doesn’t make sense if he’s out there recruiting bw and that other dude.
I hear Kevin Stallings is available.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I want him to stay. He is a good coach. If we trade a good coach, the likelihood is a trade down. The external factors are not different based on coach.ByJoveByJingle wrote:Can you make us a scorecard?prh wrote:With any "definitive" post here, take a moment to remember which posters want Miller gone, which want him to stay, and which are open to real discussion about the pros/cons of both options. That will drastically change how you interpret most stuff said.
For some reason, that doesn't tempt me. He sort of looks like Kevin from The Office, and had as many ACC wins this year as Kevin from The Office.TheCat wrote:I hear Kevin Stallings is available.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I want him to stay. He is a good coach. If we trade a good coach, the likelihood is a trade down. The external factors are not different based on coach.ByJoveByJingle wrote:Can you make us a scorecard?prh wrote:With any "definitive" post here, take a moment to remember which posters want Miller gone, which want him to stay, and which are open to real discussion about the pros/cons of both options. That will drastically change how you interpret most stuff said.
You want to link where Sean met with them during the season? It would be interesting to see when he had time. I'll wait.TatetheGreat wrote:Whether you want him gone or not, the Pitt speculation isn't going away until they hire someone else. He said he is not a candidate, but we know their fans want him and he met with them during the season. You don't have to connect the dots, but don't pretend they don't exist.
97cats said it happened and he is right 99.99999999% of the timeTheCat wrote:You want to link where Sean met with them during the season? It would be interesting to see when he had time. I'll wait.TatetheGreat wrote:Whether you want him gone or not, the Pitt speculation isn't going away until they hire someone else. He said he is not a candidate, but we know their fans want him and he met with them during the season. You don't have to connect the dots, but don't pretend they don't exist.
BS. He also said Sean would be replaced. You think Pitt would keep that secret? No leaks.....and when did he have time since Spain was in August and 10 practices before that? You don't think they would already have an agreement if he did and Sean was chomping at the bit to take over that stellar program? Listen Sean may go to Pitt....but I find it really hard to believe that Sean is the kind of guy that would approach/discuss a job when they had an active head coach. You are taking about the son of a coach and the respect he has for the position of HC.Newportcat wrote:97cats said it happened and he is right 99.99999999% of the timeTheCat wrote:You want to link where Sean met with them during the season? It would be interesting to see when he had time. I'll wait.TatetheGreat wrote:Whether you want him gone or not, the Pitt speculation isn't going away until they hire someone else. He said he is not a candidate, but we know their fans want him and he met with them during the season. You don't have to connect the dots, but don't pretend they don't exist.
