Bribery Scandal - FBI Probe - Book Richardson Involved

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:26 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote:Umm . . . Boom?

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... -bill-self

Enfuegooooo?

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:31 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote:Umm . . . Boom?

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... -bill-self

WHERE IS BILL SELF'S PICTURE YOU FUCKING COWARDS

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:20 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:Umm . . . Boom?

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... -bill-self
WHERE IS BILL SELF'S PICTURE YOU FUCKING COWARDS

Be thankful it’s not Sean’s knowing those fuckstains....

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:24 pm

Interesting the article points to KU reps being in the courtroom every day. Concerned much

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:12 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote:Umm . . . Boom?

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... -bill-self

Closing arguments by a defense attorney is not evidence. Although I do think Self is aware of what is going on in his program. With that said

"The evidence, I submit, shows that Kansas' head coach knew of and asked for a payment to be made to Silvio De Sousa's handler," Schachter told the jury. "More than that, Coach Self requested just the kind of help that Mr. Gassnola arranged as a condition for Coach Self to permit Adidas to continue their sponsorship agreement with the University of Kansas."

In September 2017, Kansas announced a 12-year contract extension with Adidas worth $191 million. As of last spring, the deal had not been signed. There have been no updates since.

Attorneys representing the University of Kansas have attended nearly every day of the three-week trial.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:57 pm

Paging enfuego. Pick up the white courtesy phone.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:00 pm

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:46 pm

Well, it's good to see schmuckballs is back writing accusatory articles again. Wonder what the real story is.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:16 am

Is it me or was it sweet to see the ESPN now shift their bribery fangs on KU and Self. Seeing their ticker scroll across the screen about Self knowing about payments made me laugh.

Hey enfuego - welcome to the party!

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:38 am

They sure are pussyfooting this one.

Number one story: Are Bill Self and Kansas number one?

Sidebar: Bill Self directed player payments, according to sworn testimony and intercepted text messages.

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:54 am

Nope not really... You see there is a typo (or missing word) in the Title of the Headline...

Should have said....College hoops Bribery Scandal Power Rankings: The debate for No. 1 in on

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:59 am

YoDeFoe wrote:They sure are pussyfooting this one.

Number one story: Are Bill Self and Kansas number one?

Sidebar: Bill Self directed player payments, according to sworn testimony and intercepted text messages.

From the preview story:

Kansas, meanwhile, has been banking on its sit-out transfers since the spring of 2017...Of course, Bill Self has his own (?) collection of blue-chip recruits.

midnightx · Post by **midnightx** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:46 am

YoDeFoe wrote:They sure are pussyfooting this one.

Number one story: Are Bill Self and Kansas number one?

Sidebar: Bill Self directed player payments, according to sworn testimony and intercepted text messages.

Amazing, isn't it? One of the most prestigious programs in all of college basketball has a coach legitimately tied to approving payments to players, and the front page splash is about the coach and program being ranked number in the preseason polls, with a side story link about the payments. If there was sworn testimony and intercepted text messages linking Miller to directed player payments, it would be the front page story, you can bet on it.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:33 am

Since Augustine & Dawkins fabricated a bidding war for Little, this would seem will help Book on one allegation as expected. The Quinerly situation still remains his biggest (and only) problem.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:39 am

What does redacting Miami imply? Does this help us or have any impact? Also, how does ESPIN get away with the one sidedness in their reporting of this situation. Has anyone (other than AZ fans) called them out on this or is everyone just waiting for they Book trial before they support anything?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:32 am

NYCat wrote:Since Augustine & Dawkins fabricated a bidding war for Little, this would seem will help Book on one allegation as expected. The Quinerly situation still remains his biggest (and only) problem.

Little was always the sketchiest. He hadn't committed either, and even the Miami "offer" was supposed to be for his commitment, which never happened.

The $15,000 Book said was going for Quinerly was always the biggest issue for Arizona. If Book paid attention to this trial, he could say something pretty much along the lines of some witnesses and even that allegation would have its issues.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:10 pm

2 days without a verdict, have to think the longer this goes, it's better for the defendants, and the chances of not guilty or hung jury happens. Both sides admit that the defendants conducted these acts, jury trying to decide if they are criminal acts.

Tweet from week ago

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:54 am

To NYCat's point: the longer this takes, the more likely this is a hung jury and is declared a mistrial. The USAO-SDNY could retry the case at that point, but there's little chance they'll deploy the resources again for what amounts to a paltry indictment for a largely victimless crime.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:32 am

Finally

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:54 am

Wow

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:56 am

Wow did not see that coming. Book will crawl to a plea deal.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:58 am

Hopefully Book never goes to trial, takes a plea deal with the Little situation out. Although now it's official record the defendants defrauded the universities, which is good thing.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:23 pm

NYCat wrote:Hopefully Book never goes to trial, takes a plea deal with the Little situation out. Although now it's official record the defendants defrauded the universities, which is good thing.

So, all the players that they have been convicted of paying were presumptively inelligeble under NCAA rules correct?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:27 pm

pc in NM wrote:
NYCat wrote:Hopefully Book never goes to trial, takes a plea deal with the Little situation out. Although now it's official record the defendants defrauded the universities, which is good thing.
So, all the players that they have been convicted of paying were presumptively inelligeble under NCAA rules correct?

The NCAA and the criminal court system are very different.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:46 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
pc in NM wrote:
NYCat wrote:Hopefully Book never goes to trial, takes a plea deal with the Little situation out. Although now it's official record the defendants defrauded the universities, which is good thing.
So, all the players that they have been convicted of paying were presumptively inelligeble under NCAA rules correct?
The NCAA and the criminal court system are very different.

We have some precedent already, Quinerly & Little were cleared and eligible to play this season before the trial began after their compliance offices & lawyers reviewed the FBI indictments.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:48 pm

NYCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
pc in NM wrote:
NYCat wrote:Hopefully Book never goes to trial, takes a plea deal with the Little situation out. Although now it's official record the defendants defrauded the universities, which is good thing.
So, all the players that they have been convicted of paying were presumptively inelligeble under NCAA rules correct?
The NCAA and the criminal court system are very different.
We have some precedent already, Quinerly & Little were cleared and eligible to play this season before the trial began after their compliance offices & lawyers reviewed the FBI indictments.

Yeah. You can engage in a conspiracy without proof anyone actually got paid. There are a lot of distinctions, although the NCAA didn't appear to have full access to FBI materials that came out during trial.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:54 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
NYCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
pc in NM wrote:
NYCat wrote:Hopefully Book never goes to trial, takes a plea deal with the Little situation out. Although now it's official record the defendants defrauded the universities, which is good thing.
So, all the players that they have been convicted of paying were presumptively inelligeble under NCAA rules correct?
The NCAA and the criminal court system are very different.
We have some precedent already, Quinerly & Little were cleared and eligible to play this season before the trial began after their compliance offices & lawyers reviewed the FBI indictments.
Yeah. You can engage in a conspiracy without proof anyone actually got paid. There are a lot of distinctions, although the NCAA didn't appear to have full access to FBI materials that came out during trial.

True. To that point: De Sousa was declared eligible by KU and the NCAA last season, and is now being held out due to the evidence presented in the trial.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:08 pm

James Gatto, Merl Code and Christian Dawkins found guilty in pay-for-play trial

NEW YORK -- A jury on Wednesday convicted the three defendants accused of pay-for-play schemes to influence high-profile basketball recruits to attend Kansas, Louisville and NC State.

Adidas employee James Gatto, former Adidas consultant Merl Code and Christian Dawkins, a former runner for NBA agent Andy Miller, were found guilty after a three-week criminal trial in federal court in New York.

The jury of eight women and four men deliberated more than a dozen hours over three days before reaching a verdict.

Gatto, Code and Dawkins were accused of felony charges of wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud by paying money from Adidas to the families of recruits to ensure they signed with Adidas-sponsored schools, and then with the sneaker company and certain financial planners and agents once they turned pro.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... play-trial

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:14 pm

Olsondogg wrote:These 4 coaches not only breached obligations to schools....also committed federal crimes.

That's the difference...Book is looking at jail time. Not just losing his job.

I wonder what he knows and what he will say to avoid that.

More than a year later I'm still thinking the exact same thing.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:48 pm

5 winners and 7 losers from the FBI trial:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basket ... e-duke-lsu" target="_blank

Winner:

Sean Miller

For a brief time last February, it appeared as though Miller wouldn’t make it through the season as Arizona’s head basketball coach. Now, 10 months and one trial later, Miller is still standing.

While a number of Arizona players and multiple former assistants came up throughout the course of the proceedings, there was no evidence produced which confirmed that Miller knew about or was directly involved in any nefarious behavior. His job appears safe through at least April, which is when the trial for Miller’s longtime assistant Book Richardson is set to begin.

Some of the losers make me:

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:11 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: Some of the losers make me:

Make it 8. They forgot enfuego.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:43 pm

Important point by Seth BTW

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:26 pm

Seth Davis is half right. He's correct that the application of law to fact will be part of an appeal. He greatly overstates the degree to which that is likely to generate an appellate victory.

You can always challenge sufficiency of the evidence. The odds on it working...

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:59 pm

NYCat wrote:Hopefully Book never goes to trial, takes a plea deal with the Little situation out. Although now it's official record the defendants defrauded the universities, which is good thing.

So, besides reducing the cost of s trial, what does Book have to offer the prosecutors in exchange for a deal?

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:29 pm

The nuance of all of this requires more detail than any of the reporting offers. Miller is surely a winner thus far, not just because he's simply "still standing," but for other reasons both specific and broad.

1. The allegation that "Arizona offered to pay Nassir Little" now appears highly unlikely, if not flatly false. Evidence from the trial including detailed text messages show that the tandem behind that allegation were running a confidence scheme designed to embezzle money from Adidas by creating a perceived bidding war for Little's recruitment. That the Little family were not actually seeking payment is now established as fact. One of the two schools, the University of Miami, is now cleared of their alleged involvement. All of that is in the article.

What's missing is that those revelations should cause the allegation directed at Arizona to be viewed with high skepticism (bordering contempt). The source of the allegation is the con artists themselves, who whispered it to Adidas in order to establish a perceived bidding war that Adidas could win. That the con artists never contemplated taking the "Arizona money," despite deliberating over how to best secure the Adidas money, could be seen as the nail in the coffin of that allegation against Arizona. Because if Arizona offered cash to Augustine and Dawkins... why would they focus on Adidas as their only source of payment.

2. The allegation by an ESPN reporter that Sean Miller was caught on FBI wiretap discussing payments for Deandre Ayton's commitment not only failed to find corroboration in the evidence presented, it was again contradicted by the facts. The story that Miller would work with Dawkins - a low level runner in New York who had never met Ayton - to secure the commitment of Ayton - the number one recruit in that top recruiter's backyard of Phoenix - always seemed implausible and was rightly side-eyed by non-ESPN journalists following its release.

The timing of the story - ESPN's only "factual" piece of info beyond two names and a dollar sign - was in question at release as well, with ESPN quietly changing their dates three times. Evidence from the first day of the trial moved that timeline from the realm of unlikely to absurd: the wiretap had not been running during ESPN's alleged dates. In fact, by the time the wiretap was running Ayton was not only already committed to Arizona, he was enrolled and on campus practicing.

3. "Ding dong, the witch is dead" ...a song they hummed at the first allegation against Miller in 2017 and sang from the rooftops at the release of the ESPN report in late February 2018. "They" - including the marquee talent of the ESPN college basketball coverage crew, local Tucson critics, and college basketball rivals - have grown quiet as the days have passed since.

The original allegation cut a potential top recruiting class to a handful of recruits. The ESPN allegation burnt the rest to the ground. From a recruiting class of none during the final days of the 2017 season, Miller built a top 25 class for 2018. And while re-securing the commitment of 2018 five star guard Brandon Williams was seen as a sign of life for Miller and Arizona, the class of 2019 shows that Arizona basketball never stops. Out of the ashes of the drama, scandal, and the class that could have been... Sean Miller has secured the current number two recruiting class of 2019 with multiple five star recruits - his ninth in eleven years in the desert.

The Phoenix of Tucson has risen, the Witch of the West still lives.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:34 pm

*Shia LeBeouf Clapping GIF*

prh · Post by **prh** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:36 pm

This works right?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:37 am

YDF, I always respect your posts and I agree with every point you made. I'm not at all put off by the wait until April statement about Miller, though.

First, your points are pretty dead on. Anyone still putting stock in the ESPN story or even really the allegations in the FBI complaint being devastating to Miller and Arizona is off base. You give a great summary of how trial did not support Arizona being a primary actor.

My wait and see stems from two things. First is that new information emerged during this trial. Kansas took the brunt of it, but it at least made clear there is more info the FBI has than just what is in their complaint. At Book's trial, more of a focus will be on Arizona. Do they have any of that new info pertaining to us?

Next, so much of this depends on the NCAA. The NCAA never vindicates, they only punish. Moreover, there are few governing bodies I'd trust less in terms of reasoned, logical punishment.

So, I totally agree with your points and they're as solid and well thought out as all your stuff. On the macro scale, I don't get upset at the idea we're waiting until April and that our best case scenario is that nothing is proven, no one is vindicated and we just move on.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:36 am

Go off king...

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:58 am

pc in NM wrote:
NYCat wrote:Hopefully Book never goes to trial, takes a plea deal with the Little situation out. Although now it's official record the defendants defrauded the universities, which is good thing.
So, besides reducing the cost of s trial, what does Book have to offer the prosecutors in exchange for a deal?

Info about coaches, program, recruiting practices, relationships with agents etc related to Arizona. Of course that's if Book has anything incriminating to say about Miller/the program, or would even talk. Depending on what Miller/program did during Book's time here and if he talks, a plea deal could quite possibly be worse in real life ramifications than a trial. Which could be damaging on the surface and bad press/optics, but underneath the damage wouldn't be ultimately as bad. He would likely be found guilty of taking bribe money and could be argued he went rogue.

Why the Prosecution Won in the College Hoops Corruption Trial and What's Next

By MICHAEL MCCANN

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... t-analysis" target="_blank

DEFENDANTS IN RELATED TRIALS MIGHT NOW WANT TO REACH PLEA DEALS—AND THAT COULD IMPLICATE OTHERS
The convictions of Gatto, Code and Dawkins could motivate the other basketball corruption defendants to quickly negotiate plea deals with prosecutors in advance of their trials.

In February, a trial for former NBA player and Auburn assistant Chuck Person is scheduled, and in April three coaches—Tony Bland, Lamont Evans and Emanuel “Book” Richardson—go to trial. Prosecutors are likely emboldened by Wednesday’s convictions. A jury unanimously agreed that Gatto, Code and Dawkins desired to injure Louisville and Kansas. The trio did so by conspiring to induce elite recruits into accepting NCAA-violating inducements and by conspiring to induce those recruits into attending Louisville and Kansas, thereby placing those institutions at risk of NCAA punishments. Armed with the convictions of Gatto, Code and Dawkins, prosecutors are likely more confident than ever that they’ll likewise be able to establish that Person, Richardson and others fraudulently deceived colleges.

With that in mind, attorneys for Person, Richardson and the other defendants might strongly encourage their clients to weigh the possibility of seeking plea deals with prosecutors. Any plea deal would entail these defendants pleading guilty to crimes with the expectation that they would not face prison time or face much less time than the years that Gatto, Code and Dawkins will probably spend behind bars.

In return, the defendants will need to play ball with the government. They’ll have to (1) share any electronic records—including phone records, emails, texts and bank transactions—as well as other evidence that could implicate notable figures in basketball (including potentially head coaches) and (2) agree to testify against others, possibly including those who hired, mentored and trusted them. As a result, in the coming weeks and months, additional persons in the basketball industry could be charged with crimes.

Also, prosecutors normally prioritize convictions of the persons who had ultimate authority over unlawful acts. Such convictions hold responsible the decision-makers, rather than those who only implemented or administered decisions. Here, if prosecutors believe that head coaches and athletic directors were involved in corrupt practices, they would be more inclined to cut plea deals with assistant coaches and other defendants who could help prosecutors prove that the head coaches and athletic directors were involved.

This is why Wednesday's convictions should worry anyone in college basketball who has partaken in NCAA-violating payments to recruits and who are in any way connected to those still facing trial: their names and wrongdoing could soon become bargaining chips in plea deals. The government’s net of basketball corruption, then, could grow wider.

Who knows what book does, but getting a plea deal that turns a felony into a misdemeanor and less than a year of jail time (if any) could be tempting.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:23 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:YDF, I always respect your posts and I agree with every point you made. I'm not at all put off by the wait until April statement about Miller, though.

First, your points are pretty dead on. Anyone still putting stock in the ESPN story or even really the allegations in the FBI complaint being devastating to Miller and Arizona is off base. You give a great summary of how trial did not support Arizona being a primary actor.

My wait and see stems from two things. First is that new information emerged during this trial. Kansas took the brunt of it, but it at least made clear there is more info the FBI has than just what is in their complaint. At Book's trial, more of a focus will be on Arizona. Do they have any of that new info pertaining to us?

Next, so much of this depends on the NCAA. The NCAA never vindicates, they only punish. Moreover, there are few governing bodies I'd trust less in terms of reasoned, logical punishment.

So, I totally agree with your points and they're as solid and well thought out as all your stuff. On the macro scale, I don't get upset at the idea we're waiting until April and that our best case scenario is that nothing is proven, no one is vindicated and we just move on.

Good points and NYCat again offers solid corroboration of your concerns: if Book sings to avoid jail time and the terrible burden of lifetime "FELON" status hanging around his neck... what does he say about Arizona and Miller? Your point about what has been shown about Kansas is well placed - we could certainly see similarly incriminating (or at the least, embarrassing) information revealed regarding our program and its leadership.

Counting my blessings on our emergence from this one relatively unscathed and partially exonerated, but certainly not going to say we're out of this thing. Solid dose of reality in both of your two posts: we're still in the cross-hairs, we have dangerous territory to cross, and our former friend Book now has motivation to leave us hanging.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:45 pm

I honestly don't know what to make of Book's recent social media presence. He's been liking and tweeting a lot of positive stuff about Arizona.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:47 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:I honestly don't know what to make of Book's recent social media presence. He's been liking and tweeting a lot of positive stuff about Arizona.

Fishing for character witnesses?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:56 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:YDF, I always respect your posts and I agree with every point you made. I'm not at all put off by the wait until April statement about Miller, though.

First, your points are pretty dead on. Anyone still putting stock in the ESPN story or even really the allegations in the FBI complaint being devastating to Miller and Arizona is off base. You give a great summary of how trial did not support Arizona being a primary actor.

My wait and see stems from two things. First is that new information emerged during this trial. Kansas took the brunt of it, but it at least made clear there is more info the FBI has than just what is in their complaint. At Book's trial, more of a focus will be on Arizona. Do they have any of that new info pertaining to us?

Next, so much of this depends on the NCAA. The NCAA never vindicates, they only punish. Moreover, there are few governing bodies I'd trust less in terms of reasoned, logical punishment.

So, I totally agree with your points and they're as solid and well thought out as all your stuff. On the macro scale, I don't get upset at the idea we're waiting until April and that our best case scenario is that nothing is proven, no one is vindicated and we just move on.
Good points and NYCat again offers solid corroboration of your concerns: if Book sings to avoid jail time and the terrible burden of lifetime "FELON" status hanging around his neck... what does he say about Arizona and Miller? Your point about what has been shown about Kansas is well placed - we could certainly see similarly incriminating (or at the least, embarrassing) information revealed regarding our program and its leadership.

Counting my blessings on our emergence from this one relatively unscathed and partially exonerated, but certainly not going to say we're out of this thing. Solid dose of reality in both of your two posts: we're still in the cross-hairs, we have dangerous territory to cross, and our former friend Book now has motivation to leave us hanging.

I'm not necessarily concerned about Book implicating Miller. The FBI has always been way more concerned with the money suppliers than head coaches. It's weird because we care so much, but a briber vs a head coach, the FBI cares more about the briber. They aren't the NCAA at all.

Book also digs himself a deeper hole if he implicates Miller at a trial. To do that, he has to acknowledge he knew what was going on and his asking for $ is taped.

I have no inside knowledge, but if the FBI truly wanted info, I would assume it was on Nike. Of course, that could tangentially impact us too. I just won't be comfortable until I can really say it's in the rear view mirror and that's hard with Book pending. If he goes to trial, the spotlight swings to us and who knows what gets revealed.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:27 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:I honestly don't know what to make of Book's recent social media presence. He's been liking and tweeting a lot of positive stuff about Arizona.

Fishing for character witnesses?

I think he misses what he had here, and understandably so. When was the last time this guy wasn't part of a team? A leader of a program (at least in his own eyes)? He's gotten love from former Arizona players and he's giving it back. In an environment where he's been cast aside from here as the solitary perpetrator, it makes a lot of sense to me that he'd seek that fellowship.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:36 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:I honestly don't know what to make of Book's recent social media presence. He's been liking and tweeting a lot of positive stuff about Arizona.

This comes from 15 year old firsthand knowledge, so take it for what it's worth:

In college coaching, disloyalty and snitching are cardinal sins. Turning on other coaches (even rivals) is as close to career suicide as you get, even more so than NCAA violations.

Book's career is coaching. I don't know how he sees his future, but if it involves anything to do with basketball, I think it is important for him to be ok with Miller and Arizona. I don't know what else he's ever done, so I assume he wants a future in something about basketball.

I tend to assume he's gottne past the shock and is starting to try to set up the next phase of his life up. If that is still basketball, leaving things as peaceably as possible with Arizona is an important thing.

Edit: FWIW, I think this concept of loyalty and not snitching is why Miller has never thrown Book under the bus and never will. Book's firing had to happen, and I think Book probably understands Miller couldn't control that, but Miller not scapegoating Book matters too.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:57 pm

Until the trial is complete, Miller gains nothing by disparaging Book. And he risks Book saying or making up something that implicates Miller or the school.

Miller stuck with Book when he went into rehab. Perhaps he did it for selfish reasons because of what Book could bring to the table with recruiting. It would be interesting to know Miller's real thoughts on the whole situation. But Sean Miller keeps his cards close to his chest. And can you blame him? If Miller ever lowers his guard, I'd love to hear his unfiltered opinion of Dickie V.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:10 pm

Schlabach with another Arizona mention, "If Dawkins/Code take plea deals and cooperate, teams like Kansas, "Arizona, Creighton, LSU are gonna get nervous pretty fast"

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25074559" target="_blank

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:40 pm

Jefe wrote:Schlabach with another Arizona mention, "If Dawkins/Code take plea deals and cooperate, teams like Kansas, "Arizona, Creighton, LSU are gonna get nervous pretty fast"

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25074559" target="_blank

The hell is he talking about? I'm not watching the video to get pissed off, but they were found guilty at trial. Why would the government try to give them a guilty plea after they were found guilty at trial?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:39 pm

If you are still reading and watching ESPN you are doing Arizona no favors. Fuck MSPN

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