2018-2019 Arizona Basketball

Captain Obvious · Post by **Captain Obvious** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:28 pm

PHXCATS wrote:Keep in mind the committee will factor in that Jeter was out

The NIT has a committee?

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:37 pm

Gonna keep watching this sh*t show because I love this team for better or worse. But really, I’m just looking forward to next fall. Bring on the new guys.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:30 pm

Frybry02 wrote:Ryan Anderson wasn't too bad either. (Though he was in the program for 2 years.)

I just threw up in my mouth.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:17 am

good news for many here

You didn’t have to watch that game live

I left at halftime to help my wife with our sick son. I was happy to. I just could not take watching us live anymore. Easily the worst I have seen us play ever and I think there were maybe 25 total fans there Were

Next year can’t come soon enough

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:20 am

TucsonClip wrote:
Frybry02 wrote:Ryan Anderson wasn't too bad either. (Though he was in the program for 2 years.)
I just threw up in my mouth.

He averaged 15/10 and 55% from the field. I think we would take these numbers from another Ryan currently on the roster.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:19 am

Didn't Machina guarantee the Cats were going to the NCAAs?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:21 am

Merkin wrote:Didn't Machina guarantee the Cats were going to the NCAAs?

One bad game and all the loser talk returns.

Cats win tomorrow it is all good. Calm down with all the loser talk people. Man up and bear down

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:07 am

PHXCATS wrote:One bad game and all the loser talk returns.

One bad game? How much you putting on Arizona tomorrow?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:08 am

Merkin wrote:Didn't Machina guarantee the Cats were going to the NCAAs?

I HATE tweets with stats like that. The comparison is idiotic and has no insight into what happened.

We were -12 on the glass and shot under 30% and were missing our most important player. We're lucky we didn't lose by more.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:10 am

Merkin wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:One bad game and all the loser talk returns.
One bad game? How much you putting on Arizona tomorrow?

Will see the line when it comes out and how much I can buy it up but at least $50

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:15 am

My buddy texted a great line yesterday right after the game

"Book should go to prison for what he did to our program this year"

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:25 am

Just imagine what would be the case if Miller fired Book when he should have in 2015

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:35 am

UCLA is godawful, but I'm still not really liking our chances tomorrow. Not after what I saw yesterday. UCLA has size comparable to USC, so they'll be able to get into the lane for easy baskets, just like Rakocevic did. Having Chase back would definitely help, but I still think UCLA is better offensively. I expect a sloppy game, lots of turnovers.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:52 am

PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:Didn't Machina guarantee the Cats were going to the NCAAs?

One bad game and all the loser talk returns.

Cats win tomorrow it is all good. Calm down with all the loser talk people. Man up and bear down

Says the guy who just had to post "F Nick Foles" after you bet against him and lost.

You are the Roger Stone of Arizona fans.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:56 am

Frybry02 wrote:
TucsonClip wrote:
Frybry02 wrote:Ryan Anderson wasn't too bad either. (Though he was in the program for 2 years.)
I just threw up in my mouth.
He averaged 15/10 and 55% from the field. I think we would take these numbers from another Ryan currently on the roster.

Dude had heart... on offense. But there is no way in the world I am ever signing off on watching Ryan Anderson play defense for Arizona ever again. He was probably the single worst defender Miller has ever had.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:32 am

catgrad97 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:Didn't Machina guarantee the Cats were going to the NCAAs?

One bad game and all the loser talk returns.

Cats win tomorrow it is all good. Calm down with all the loser talk people. Man up and bear down
Says the guy who just had to post "F Nick Foles" after you bet against him and lost.

You are the Roger Stone of Arizona fans.

Hey guy dont lie. I didnt bet that game and I am a Bears fan. Knock if off liar

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:25 pm

Are you going to go back and delete your post in the NFL forum before you hurl any more grade school insults?

What are you, 8? Calling other fans' criticisms "loser talk." GTFO.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:34 pm

catgrad97 wrote:Are you going to go back and delete your post in the NFL forum before you hurl any more grade school insults?

What are you, 8? Calling other fans' criticisms "loser talk." GTFO.

No why would I? I meant it at the time as a besrs fan.

Sorry didnt mean to trigger you so bad. You truly are the king of loser talk here

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:13 pm

I know it's been a rough season, but some of ya'll need to hug it out

. One bad (by our standards) season is a first-world problem, on the real-world scale and the college basketball fan scale. There are only two months left on this ride and plenty to be optimistic about (incoming class and some experienced/battle tested players returning) whenever it ends.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:32 pm

I am just hoping the Cats can win the Pac-12 tournament.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:28 pm

rgdeuce wrote:I know it's been a rough season, but some of ya'll need to hug it out . One bad (by our standards) season is a first-world problem, on the real-world scale and the college basketball fan scale. There are only two months left on this ride and plenty to be optimistic about (incoming class and some experienced/battle tested players returning) whenever it ends.

This is true.

Every team in basketball sucks sometimes,
Even the Lakers lose the season through,
Every fan base has to suffer through it,
And sometimes that fan base is you!

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:21 pm

rgdeuce wrote:I know it's been a rough season, but some of ya'll need to hug it out . One bad (by our standards) season is a first-world problem, on the real-world scale and the college basketball fan scale. There are only two months left on this ride and plenty to be optimistic about (incoming class and some experienced/battle tested players returning) whenever it ends.

Totally agree

And honestly its not that rough, we still have a winning record overall and in the PAC 12

I actually think Miller has been doing some of his best coaching given the lack of talent on this team

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:02 pm

Let's play a fun little game...Name that Wildcat!!!

Name the wildcat based on this year's FG% and 3P%...

Player 1
FG:42% 3P:34%

Player 2
FG:40% 3P:33%

Player 3
FG:43% 3P:40%

Player 4
FG:37% 3P:30%

Player 5
FG:32% 3P:36%

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:04 pm

I can’t remember an AZ team that was this hard to watch, this flat out bad.

They look like a bunch of D-2 reserves. Hardly any real talent on this roster.

Ryan Luther...so terrible.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:12 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
Ryan Luther...so terrible.

Averaged a double double as a SR at Pitt. What happened to him? Just an awful player.

Maybe he is too muscle bound. Bench presses more than most UA football players.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:13 pm

I bet player 3 is Coleman.

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:15 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:I can’t remember an AZ team that was this hard to watch, this flat out bad.

They look like a bunch of D-2 reserves. Hardly any real talent on this roster.

Ryan Luther...so terrible.

Luther has been bad but he is having to play out of position at times. He should never have to play down low. It is frustrating watching guys that were rated high (i.e. 4 stars) do nothing. It seems everyone on the team was overrated. It is really just unbelievable at this point. I knew this would be a rough year but damn!

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:20 pm

dovecanyoncat wrote:I bet player 3 is Coleman.

You are correct Player 3 is Coleman!!

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:21 pm

Frybry02 wrote:
dovecanyoncat wrote:I bet player 3 is Coleman.
You are correct Player 3 is Coleman!!

That's it! I'm OUTTA HERE!

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:08 pm

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:13 pm

My freshman year. Didn't go to a single game. Just horrible, but at least we got Lute out of that.

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:22 pm

Is UCLA basketball in trouble?

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:22 pm

Boat raced

And fuck off en fuego

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:23 pm

enfuego wrote:Is UCLA basketball in trouble?

Nah, their coach wasn't stupid enough to leave an electronic trail about paying players like Self did..

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:30 pm

Feeling very uninvested emotionally at the moment. Fully expected to lose tonight, and it’s not like this game means much for either team.

If Miller is as good a coach as I always say he is, how can we explain what happened this week?

Back to back 20 point losses. What is happening?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:34 pm

I always thought when the going gets tough you Bear Down. Guess I have the wrong fandom

tucsonsean · Post by **tucsonsean** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:42 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Feeling very uninvested emotionally at the moment. Fully expected to lose tonight, and it’s not like this game means much for either team.

If Miller is as good a coach as I always say he is, how can we explain what happened this week?

Back to back 20 point losses. What is happening?

Are you being intentionally obtuse? UA has zero front court. Without Jeter, we can't win a game in the PAC12. Not sure how that is on Miller except why we are where we are as a team this season with depleted talent. I want to say that has to do with FBI, but with what happened to Shareef - hope all ends up well with him, health wise - not sure we can put too much blame on that. We went big last season with Ayton and didnt have enough plan around our front court this season.

The truth of this team is we go as far as Jeter's health and ability to not foul out take us. I think those two things go well for us, we could win a PAC12 tourney. Without those things? We'll end up on the bottom half of the conference.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:07 pm

We beat a good Oregon State team without Jeter. Do we really not think we can beat Cal or Washington State without Jeter

RiseAndFire · Post by **RiseAndFire** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:13 pm

another masterpiece of coaching against the zone by Miller, up to 31% shooting tonight, really really good!

I know I know, "players fault!"

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:00 am

I’ll leave it to the coaches among us to explain what Miller is or isn’t doing. All I saw was five guys passing round and round a zone until someone launched a three or had a close shot swatted back by their big man.

Never thought I’d see an AZ team lose two straight by 20. Yeah, now we know what WSU feels like most seasons.

IndianaZonaFan · Post by **IndianaZonaFan** » Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:49 am

tucsonsean wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Feeling very uninvested emotionally at the moment. Fully expected to lose tonight, and it’s not like this game means much for either team.

If Miller is as good a coach as I always say he is, how can we explain what happened this week?

Back to back 20 point losses. What is happening?
Are you being intentionally obtuse? UA has zero front court. Without Jeter, we can't win a game in the PAC12. Not sure how that is on Miller except why we are where we are as a team this season with depleted talent. I want to say that has to do with FBI, but with what happened to Shareef - hope all ends up well with him, health wise - not sure we can put too much blame on that. We went big last season with Ayton and didnt have enough plan around our front court this season.

The truth of this team is we go as far as Jeter's health and ability to not foul out take us. I think those two things go well for us, we could win a PAC12 tourney. Without those things? We'll end up on the bottom half of the conference.

Would Shreef have been helpful this year? No. Would Quinnerly have helped? Who knows, not by the looks of it. But what about Little, Shittu, and others who stopped considering UA? Would have been a completely different team. Don’t try to minimize the effect the FBI/ESPN had on this year’s freshman class. This year is a wash for me. It’s not the team Miller had in mind. We had a PG enfold that was 6’0 or taller. Nice change from last year and this year’s plan B. We could have had a monster in Little. We could have had Shittu to be a big help in the front court. Give me him over Luther any day. I don’t care what he benches.

I’m sick of all the Debbie Downer shit I see here day in and day out. I like most of you and your perspectives, but for Chist’s sake, get up off the floor and quit bitching about a team whose roster isn’t what we should have had. Bad seasons happen. Bad losses happen when you have subpar talent. Without Jeter this team isn’t winning a whole lot of games. Suck it up and ride the scary ride. Tomorrrow is another day. We have an incredible class coming in next year, but if you want off the ride now..I don’t want you back next year when we have a shot at another banner.

BEAR THE FUCK DOWN

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:06 am

It isn't as simple as saying Chase Jeter would have completely wiped out two 20+-point deficits on the road. Other teams' fans may resort to that excuse--and after the blowout, they get laughed at too.

Nor is this just the "off year" because of the talent. Arizona fans are going to say this team is less talented than USC because of ESPN/FBI/other issues beyond anyone's control?

And then try to draw parallels between Miller and Ben Freaking Lindsey--a drunk washout who couldn't win at the HS level after he left Arizona?

Lindsey could recruit for a lifetime and never hope to get the classes Sean Miller gets in any given year. The "off year" excuse doesn't explain the listlessness, lack of hustle or pride evident on the court from these Wildcats, who aren't working hard enough to be viable underdogs against any opponent at this point.

Much less Andy Enfield and the giant of interim coaches, Murry Bartow.

No, something else is going on nobody's talking about. I see a group cowed into submission even before the opening tip--one that shows no fight to come back because the players see nothing to fight for.

No, these two straight losses aren't going to be fansplained away as simply as a talent deficit. This performance has become a mental issue, one that has become the potential downside of A Player's Program: that highly-rated talent gets caught in a downward trend, says "f*ck it, I'll be in the league next season anyway," and just writes their time with Miller off as time served.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:08 am

catgrad97 wrote:It isn't as simple as saying Chase Jeter would have completely wiped out two 20+-point deficits on the road. Other teams' fans may resort to that excuse--and after the blowout, they get laughed at too.

Nor is this just the "off year" because of the talent. Arizona fans are going to say this team is less talented than USC because of ESPN/FBI/other issues beyond anyone's control?

And then try to draw parallels between Miller and Ben Freaking Lindsey--a drunk washout who couldn't win at the HS level after he left Arizona?

Lindsey could recruit for a lifetime and never hope to get the classes Sean Miller gets in any given year. The "off year" excuse doesn't explain the listlessness, lack of hustle or pride evident on the court from these Wildcats, who aren't working hard enough to be viable underdogs against any opponent at this point.

Much less Andy Enfield and the giant of interim coaches, Murry Bartow.

No, something else is going on nobody's talking about. I see a group cowed into submission even before the opening tip--one that shows no fight to come back because the players see nothing to fight for.

No, these two straight losses aren't going to be fansplained away as simply as a talent deficit. This performance has become a mental issue, one that has become the potential downside of A Player's Program: that highly-rated talent gets caught in a downward trend, says "f*ck it, I'll be in the league next season anyway," and just writes their time with Miller off as time served.

It's most certainly a lack of talent issue mixed with a sense of hopelessness. There's 3 guys on this current team that would play for any other Arizona team, one balled his heart out last night, one had to start when he should be nothing more than an energy enforcer type off the bench, and the other was out with an injury. Randolph is every bit as much of a ding dong as 97 says he is, which is why he wouldn't play on any other team. He's a waste of natural talent and hasn't developed an ounce of basketball IQ since high school, so disappointing.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:06 am

AZCatGirl wrote:

Well there's a bit of history Miller owns now.

Time to just do what we do a little harder.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:24 am

PieceOfMeat wrote:
AZCatGirl wrote:
Well there's a bit of history Miller owns now.

Time to just do what we do a little harder.

That must have been some UCLA team. Lost in the first round of the NCAAs.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sc ... edule.html" target="_blank

But what an OOC schedule!

BYU
DePaul
Notre Dame
SJSU
Iowa
LSU
Maryland
Louisville

Pos. # Name Height Weight Year Hometown
G 24 Randy Arrillaga 6 ft 1 in (1.85 m)
—
Sr
F 30 Darren Daye 6 ft 8 in (2.03 m)
—
Sr Des Moines, Iowa
F 54 Kenny Fields 6 ft 7 in (2.01 m)
—
Jr Iowa City, Iowa
G 10 Rod Foster 6 ft 1 in (1.85 m)
—
Sr Birmingham, Alabama
C 55 Stuart Gray 7 ft 0 in (2.13 m)
—
So Panama Canal Zone, Panama
G 14 Michael Holton (C) 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m)
—
Sr Seattle, Washington
G 3 Ralph Jackson 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
—
Jr
F 11 Curtis Knight 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m)
—
Jr
F 53 Gary Maloncon 6 ft 8 in (2.03 m)
—
So
F 25 Nigel Miguel 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m)
—
So
C 32 Brad Wright 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m)
—
So Hollywood, California

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:22 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
catgrad97 wrote:It isn't as simple as saying Chase Jeter would have completely wiped out two 20+-point deficits on the road. Other teams' fans may resort to that excuse--and after the blowout, they get laughed at too.

Nor is this just the "off year" because of the talent. Arizona fans are going to say this team is less talented than USC because of ESPN/FBI/other issues beyond anyone's control?

And then try to draw parallels between Miller and Ben Freaking Lindsey--a drunk washout who couldn't win at the HS level after he left Arizona?

Lindsey could recruit for a lifetime and never hope to get the classes Sean Miller gets in any given year. The "off year" excuse doesn't explain the listlessness, lack of hustle or pride evident on the court from these Wildcats, who aren't working hard enough to be viable underdogs against any opponent at this point.

Much less Andy Enfield and the giant of interim coaches, Murry Bartow.

No, something else is going on nobody's talking about. I see a group cowed into submission even before the opening tip--one that shows no fight to come back because the players see nothing to fight for.

No, these two straight losses aren't going to be fansplained away as simply as a talent deficit. This performance has become a mental issue, one that has become the potential downside of A Player's Program: that highly-rated talent gets caught in a downward trend, says "f*ck it, I'll be in the league next season anyway," and just writes their time with Miller off as time served.
It's most certainly a lack of talent issue mixed with a sense of hopelessness. There's 3 guys on this current team that would play for any other Arizona team, one balled his heart out last night, one had to start when he should be nothing more than an energy enforcer type off the bench, and the other was out with an injury. Randolph is every bit as much of a ding dong as 97 says he is, which is why he wouldn't play on any other team. He's a waste of natural talent and hasn't developed an ounce of basketball IQ since high school, so disappointing.

It’s also nature of college basketball nowadays

What’s the motivation for Ryan Luther or Justin Coleman. They are gone soon enough. These guys haven’t gone through wars together. Been together a while or even grow up playing with each other. And all of them know in 6-8 weeks it’s all over. This is a total hodge podge team from all over the country

Probably why Akot quit. What’s the point of playing and getting yelled at by Miller when you are leaving anyways

Again, why I don’t care about this team much. It will quickly be forgotten like our 2016 team.

If next year we are same issues, I could be convinced it’s miller and it’s a trend and bad trends are hard to break in college sports.

I would also say it does look like this team plays hard they just suck

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:26 pm

I’m gonna be very interested to see which consensus emerges on the question of, what constitutes a satisfactory season in 2019-20? I’m sure you saw similar conversations among UK and Indiana fans shortly before Gillespie and Crean we’re fired. Granted, Miller has had far greater success than those two, but the point is that programs that see themselves as elite are only willing to accept a certain degree of decline. There’s always a sense of urgency to get back on top, especially after a season like the one we’re currently having.

Again, I think a Pac title and S16 or better are the minimum expectation. But I realize some will not be pleased with anything less than a F4. I’m just not sure that next season’s team will be the best Miller has had at AZ. Excellent backcourt for sure, but we’ve clearly had better frontcourts.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:50 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:I’m gonna be very interested to see which consensus emerges on the question of, what constitutes a satisfactory season in 2019-20? I’m sure you saw similar conversations among UK and Indiana fans shortly before Gillespie and Crean we’re fired. Granted, Miller has had far greater success than those two, but the point is that programs that see themselves as elite are only willing to accept a certain degree of decline. There’s always a sense of urgency to get back on top, especially after a season like the one we’re currently having.

Again, I think a Pac title and S16 or better are the minimum expectation. But I realize some will not be pleased with anything less than a F4. I’m just not sure that next season’s team will be the best Miller has had at AZ. Excellent backcourt for sure, but we’ve clearly had better frontcourts.

Just me, but I put zero stock on performance in the NCAA tournament. It’s a cruel unfair bitch of way to judge a team or coach.

I am much more concerned how we play over the course of the season and during conference play. If we are an exciting team to watch that plays well and wins game, that’s what I hope. I thought the 2017 was a really fun team to watch play. The last minutes of the Xavier game sucked but up until then I enjoyed that team. And we probably lost one game earlier then we should have.

If we are a top 10-15 team then that’s awesome. Big improvement over this year too and talk of Miller being fired goes away.

Coaches should be fired and hired in college basketball based on how they perform during the regular season. Crean and gillipise to my knowledge were fired because they were not good regular season coaches and didn’t have great regular season performances. Gillespie’s more because he is a giant piece of shit. Crean only had three winning Big 10 seasons in 9 years there. That’s pathetic at a place like Indiana.

Mind you I think very differently for other sports but their post seasons are so much more fair like college softball or baseball or nba basketball etc. I think coach of the raptors should have been fired last year. He could not figure out a way to beat Lebron. I think candrea needs to get our women back to OKC soon or he should retire. Can never fire him but remember he can get home field advantage and two times to lose and good chance he is playing a PAC 12 team or a team they have seen before.

I know I am in the minority here but just how I think

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:35 pm

Newportcat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:I’m gonna be very interested to see which consensus emerges on the question of, what constitutes a satisfactory season in 2019-20? I’m sure you saw similar conversations among UK and Indiana fans shortly before Gillespie and Crean we’re fired. Granted, Miller has had far greater success than those two, but the point is that programs that see themselves as elite are only willing to accept a certain degree of decline. There’s always a sense of urgency to get back on top, especially after a season like the one we’re currently having.

Again, I think a Pac title and S16 or better are the minimum expectation. But I realize some will not be pleased with anything less than a F4. I’m just not sure that next season’s team will be the best Miller has had at AZ. Excellent backcourt for sure, but we’ve clearly had better frontcourts.
Just me, but I put zero stock on performance in the NCAA tournament. It’s a cruel unfair bitch of way to judge a team or coach.

I am much more concerned how we play over the course of the season and during conference play. If we are an exciting team to watch that plays well and wins game, that’s what I hope. I thought the 2017 was a really fun team to watch play. The last minutes of the Xavier game sucked but up until then I enjoyed that team. And we probably lost one game earlier then we should have.

If we are a top 10-15 team then that’s awesome. Big improvement over this year too and talk of Miller being fired goes away.

Coaches should be fired and hired in college basketball based on how they perform during the regular season. Crean and gillipise to my knowledge were fired because they were not good regular season coaches and didn’t have great regular season performances. Gillespie’s more because he is a giant piece of shit. Crean only had three winning Big 10 seasons in 9 years there. That’s pathetic at a place like Indiana.

Mind you I think very differently for other sports but their post seasons are so much more fair like college softball or baseball or nba basketball etc. I think coach of the raptors should have been fired last year. He could not figure out a way to beat Lebron. I think candrea needs to get our women back to OKC soon or he should retire. Can never fire him but remember he can get home field advantage and two times to lose and good chance he is playing a PAC 12 team or a team they have seen before.

I know I am in the minority here but just how I think

I'm with you entirely, Newportcat. The tourney is called March Madness for a reason. It's insane, and it's supposed to be shocking. Literally everyone who posts on this site follows the team starting in October. I wish everyone put stock in the full trajectory from November through to the end. I get that most of the world doesn't start paying attention until March, and they deserve to enjoy the crazy games and eat the Reece's Peanut Butter Cups and buy all the advertised products, but those people don't get a say in how a program is doing.

legallykenny · Post by **legallykenny** » Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:28 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
catgrad97 wrote:It isn't as simple as saying Chase Jeter would have completely wiped out two 20+-point deficits on the road. Other teams' fans may resort to that excuse--and after the blowout, they get laughed at too.

Nor is this just the "off year" because of the talent. Arizona fans are going to say this team is less talented than USC because of ESPN/FBI/other issues beyond anyone's control?

And then try to draw parallels between Miller and Ben Freaking Lindsey--a drunk washout who couldn't win at the HS level after he left Arizona?

Lindsey could recruit for a lifetime and never hope to get the classes Sean Miller gets in any given year. The "off year" excuse doesn't explain the listlessness, lack of hustle or pride evident on the court from these Wildcats, who aren't working hard enough to be viable underdogs against any opponent at this point.

Much less Andy Enfield and the giant of interim coaches, Murry Bartow.

No, something else is going on nobody's talking about. I see a group cowed into submission even before the opening tip--one that shows no fight to come back because the players see nothing to fight for.

No, these two straight losses aren't going to be fansplained away as simply as a talent deficit. This performance has become a mental issue, one that has become the potential downside of A Player's Program: that highly-rated talent gets caught in a downward trend, says "f*ck it, I'll be in the league next season anyway," and just writes their time with Miller off as time served.
It's most certainly a lack of talent issue mixed with a sense of hopelessness. There's 3 guys on this current team that would play for any other Arizona team, one balled his heart out last night, one had to start when he should be nothing more than an energy enforcer type off the bench, and the other was out with an injury. Randolph is every bit as much of a ding dong as 97 says he is, which is why he wouldn't play on any other team. He's a waste of natural talent and hasn't developed an ounce of basketball IQ since high school, so disappointing.

Miller’s recent track record isn’t exactly littered with guys who have developed during their time in Tucson.

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