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He is positing that Sean is pretending to be sick to avoid having to answer questions about Book’s guilty plea.Spaceman Spiff wrote:For us not on Twitter, what is this dude talking about?UAEebs86 wrote:God this guy is a fucking moron
Yes, he showed up late.Newportcat wrote:Wasn’t Miller there today to do his press conference?
Yeah, real stressful to remember to repeatedly state you can't comment on a pending matter.Chicat wrote:He is positing that Sean is pretending to be sick to avoid having to answer questions about Book’s guilty plea.Spaceman Spiff wrote:For us not on Twitter, what is this dude talking about?UAEebs86 wrote:God this guy is a fucking moron
Eebs put it precisely. He’s a fucking moron.
Getting good shots wasn't a problem at all last night. The team was missing fucking layups repeatedly for christ sakes.RiseAndFire wrote:40 minutes of straight zone last night from USC. Enfield said he's never done that before. Result is a 23 point blowout to a team with an RPI of 150.
Miller Miller he's our man!
He's just a troll. It isn't rational discussion.ChooChooCat wrote:Getting good shots wasn't a problem at all last night. The team was missing fucking layups repeatedly for christ sakes.RiseAndFire wrote:40 minutes of straight zone last night from USC. Enfield said he's never done that before. Result is a 23 point blowout to a team with an RPI of 150.
Miller Miller he's our man!
Have you watched the games, the Cats are missing tons of layups, easy shots in the paint, and wide open outside shots. Those go in the defense has been good enough to win despite the piss poor rebounding most gamesRiseAndFire wrote:Miller quote after ucla:
“If you have a problem with confidence at Arizona, it’s a bad place to be. We’ve been kicking ass in this league for a long time. If making layups is a problem, that’s a real big problem.”
Great morale-building stuff right there from coach, I'm sure the team got the message and will be super motivated now, lol
RiseAndFire is the guy who wipes his boogers on public bathroom stalls and then stews in his own shit stench admiring his “art”.RiseAndFire wrote:Miller quote after ucla:
“If you have a problem with confidence at Arizona, it’s a bad place to be. We’ve been kicking ass in this league for a long time. If making layups is a problem, that’s a real big problem.”
Great morale-building stuff right there from coach, I'm sure the team got the message and will be super motivated now, lol
You don't understand, if you don't mention an obvious problem, players will forget it exists. They totally don't realize they just missed a ton of shots.PHXCATS wrote:Have you watched the games, the Cats are missing tons of layups, easy shots in the paint, and wide open outside shots. Those go in the defense has been good enough to win despite the piss poor rebounding most gamesRiseAndFire wrote:Miller quote after ucla:
“If you have a problem with confidence at Arizona, it’s a bad place to be. We’ve been kicking ass in this league for a long time. If making layups is a problem, that’s a real big problem.”
Great morale-building stuff right there from coach, I'm sure the team got the message and will be super motivated now, lol
I'd go further to ask why mods haven't banned him. It's just a troll. Not a negative person or a glass half empty fan. Or even a rival. Just a troll. Nothing is added to the community...trolling is trolling, and worthless on an otherwise productive board.Newportcat wrote:I really do not understand why more people have not ignored Rinse my Vagina.
There hasn’t been a ban poll and nothing he’s posted has been threatening or outside of the community standards (displaying violent images for instance).EVCat wrote:I'd go further to ask why mods haven't banned him. It's just a troll. Not a negative person or a glass half empty fan. Or even a rival. Just a troll. Nothing is added to the community...trolling is trolling, and worthless on an otherwise productive board.Newportcat wrote:I really do not understand why more people have not ignored Rinse my Vagina.
Just my .02...
He isn't even a good enough troll that I'd care to start a ban poll or participate in one.Chicat wrote:There hasn’t been a ban poll and nothing he’s posted has been threatening or outside of the community standards (displaying violent images for instance).EVCat wrote:I'd go further to ask why mods haven't banned him. It's just a troll. Not a negative person or a glass half empty fan. Or even a rival. Just a troll. Nothing is added to the community...trolling is trolling, and worthless on an otherwise productive board.Newportcat wrote:I really do not understand why more people have not ignored Rinse my Vagina.
Just my .02...
Mods aren’t the thought police. I can’t ban someone just because they continually show they’ve got an IQ under 50 and an irrational hatred of Sean Miller. And if I could, there’s another poster who would get the boot first.
Also, part of tempo is rebounding. It helps tempo to control the glass because you get misses out to guards to push. We have to have guards help on the glass because we need the extra help.ChooChooCat wrote:Kentucky is 214th in tempo and 16th in AdjO, Louisville is 238th in tempo and 13th in AdjO, Washington is 260th in tempo. It's almost as if having players with actual talent matters.
yes, literally tell the players to go faster. Run up the court, push the ball up the court, hit the outlet. MOVE Lute did it all the timeSpaceman Spiff wrote: Also, part of tempo is rebounding. It helps tempo to control the glass because you get misses out to guards to push. We have to have guards help on the glass because we need the extra help.
R+F's idea of what it takes to increase tempo is to tell the players to go faster. In the real world, it isn't that simple.
Do you think it's a coincidence that it took fucking overtime for Hurley's best team to beat Miller's worst team without its best player in Tempe or do you seriously want us to confuse Bobby Hurley for a quality basketball coach?RiseAndFire wrote:yes, literally tell the players to go faster. Run up the court, push the ball up the court, hit the outlet. MOVE Lute did it all the timeSpaceman Spiff wrote: Also, part of tempo is rebounding. It helps tempo to control the glass because you get misses out to guards to push. We have to have guards help on the glass because we need the extra help.
R+F's idea of what it takes to increase tempo is to tell the players to go faster. In the real world, it isn't that simple.
Oddly, its simple for spaz Hurley up north. 14-3 ASU to Az in fast break points. Do you think its a coincidence that asu shot 20% better percentage from 2pt land than we did?
Dang, I wonder why more coaches don't just tell players to go faster and make more shots? It's such a foolproof strategy.RiseAndFire wrote:yes, literally tell the players to go faster. Run up the court, push the ball up the court, hit the outlet. MOVE Lute did it all the timeSpaceman Spiff wrote: Also, part of tempo is rebounding. It helps tempo to control the glass because you get misses out to guards to push. We have to have guards help on the glass because we need the extra help.
R+F's idea of what it takes to increase tempo is to tell the players to go faster. In the real world, it isn't that simple.
Oddly, its simple for spaz Hurley up north. 14-3 ASU to Az in fast break points. Do you think its a coincidence that asu shot 20% better percentage from 2pt land than we did?
“Sir? This is a Wendy’s drive-thru. Would you like to try a Baconator today?”OSUCat wrote:I keep writing and deleting, writing and deleting. But in the end it comes to this. I just do not like Arizona Basketball under Sean Miller. I have no joy watching it. I have come to dislike Sean Miller style, coaching. And recruiting. The new/not new investigation is just another piece.
Did you enjoy it from 2013-2015?OSUCat wrote:I keep writing and deleting, writing and deleting. But in the end it comes to this. I just do not like Arizona Basketball under Sean Miller. I have no joy watching it. I have come to dislike Sean Miller style, coaching. And recruiting. The new/not new investigation is just another piece.
It's a story I'd like to see play out the way we all want it to with the coach leaving all the stress of this bullshit behind just to focus on what should be a special team with special talent. Let's hope we get to see that story actually unfold.97cats wrote:i understand a bit the position about basketball at AZ being hectic and out of sorts for the last two years - the FBI stuff is and was difficult, just the fact that it’s there. until that’s over it’s an issue, for Coach Miller and some fans.
success on the floor is where my eyeballs go, and the winning has been steady and plentiful. this year Miller has earned a pass with past successes, but bad loses have become interesting to me, and if somehow Coach Miller survives to a sunset in all of this, I’ll be fixated on the chance to break through to a final four with Nico Mannion, and perhaps not get pushed around.
so yes, I still like Sean Miller, I still like that story
Barring significant currently undisclosed information about Miller and the recruiting scandal, I would be furious with the administration if they did not give him the chance to win a shit ton of games next year and compete for a national title. Furious. As 97 said, this year of course if frustrating, but he has won enough these past 9 years to give him the benefit of the doubt and allow him a chance for revenge next year.ChooChooCat wrote:It's a story I'd like to see play out the way we all want it to with the coach leaving all the stress of this bullshit behind just to focus on what should be a special team with special talent. Let's hope we get to see that story actually unfold.97cats wrote:i understand a bit the position about basketball at AZ being hectic and out of sorts for the last two years - the FBI stuff is and was difficult, just the fact that it’s there. until that’s over it’s an issue, for Coach Miller and some fans.
success on the floor is where my eyeballs go, and the winning has been steady and plentiful. this year Miller has earned a pass with past successes, but bad loses have become interesting to me, and if somehow Coach Miller survives to a sunset in all of this, I’ll be fixated on the chance to break through to a final four with Nico Mannion, and perhaps not get pushed around.
so yes, I still like Sean Miller, I still like that story
Gladiator Cat wrote:Sean Miller may have never carried-out, condoned or directed on any meaningful level or directly any illegal undertaking to pay players to/or direct their movement for favorable access to Arizona or third party agents.
But he and all of his assistant coaches, just like at all big schools, along with every coach from every level of D-I to D-III, including High School and everything in between knows now and knew then that every coach and school with any amount of resources played the money game in that savory, nasty underbelly of the college basketball underworld. And no amount of bellyaching BS will change those facts.
Every single diehard jackass knows the truth, but they choose to fight the urge to admit the nasty truth until someone lifts up the rug and exposes the filth underneath.
This is not a Arizona and Sean Miller problem, this is a college basketball problem that, make no mistake, Sean Miller and all other coaches have chosen to reside in.
The filthy NCAA and the greater corruption boby of the college basketball money gods have decided that Sean Miller and Arizona are going to be the scapegoats and take the brunt of the shit for the basketball mafia, just because.
All the rest of this whining, bitching, hyperventilating and victim-hood is just another example of the deranged level to which our social construct has fallen to justify the fake facade of ethical amateurism for the pleasure of childish adolescent adults that will overlook any transgression for personal pleasure and bias.
The whole thing is disgusting beyond belief and Sean Miller along with everyone of these multi-million dollar fucktard conmen known as college coaches are knee deep in this shit irrespective of your personal ability to honestly evaluate to the scale of dishonesty that lies at the very heart of this smoking crater.
Our coach is different than the rest of them..........get the fuck out-of-here, grow up!
What do you believe would show that?PHXCATS wrote:Will be really interesting to see what happens if Miller needs to testify. If he lied in March he will be fired and never coach again
There are tons of factors in this. is there a wire? What will the defense ask Miller? Will the judge allow things to be asked that dont go exactly with the FBI investigation to a T?Spaceman Spiff wrote:What do you believe would show that?PHXCATS wrote:Will be really interesting to see what happens if Miller needs to testify. If he lied in March he will be fired and never coach again
It's a wire or nothing. As I've said before, if a wire existed, why would it not have been used in trial #1? Dawkins's defense was explicitly based in the schools and coaches being complicit. If he had Miller on a wire saying so, why not offer that evidence?
Beyond that, he said she said stuff dominated the trial, but the idea of firing Miller over that...well, I don't get it. Hell, Bill Self is more directly implicated than Miller by leaps and bounds and his seat isn't hot.
As far as removing Miller due to this season's results, look at the other schools named in the FBI indictment. Us and USC are the teams who aren't getting drilled in conference play. It's all about the FBI investigation.
And finally, Miller does the same stuff any other coach does. His purity shouldn't be subject to a different test.
If the lawyer asks Miller if he ever knew of a player on his team getting paid, is Miller truthful in saying No under oath? If that is the case then nothing to worry about. If Miller says yes then it is a huge deal. But the question may never get asked as well.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I don't understand why you're worried about defense questions. If he asks Miller if Miller ordered the Code Red and Miller says no, unless there's independent evidence, you're just stuck with the no.
So because Miller denied it in a press conference and Self didn't, we should have different standards?
I hate 3 year clocks. Clock for what?
They actually tried to use convos between Dawkins and coaches in the 1st trial, but the judge shot it down immediately. I'm not sure what the judge will do in this upcoming case.Spaceman Spiff wrote:
It's a wire or nothing. As I've said before, if a wire existed, why would it not have been used in trial #1? Dawkins's defense was explicitly based in the schools and coaches being complicit. If he had Miller on a wire saying so, why not offer that evidence?
Every major program technically cheats per NCAA rules. But those rules are absolute bullshit now that there is so much money involved. It was fine when our coach got paid $250K a year and the NCAA made a couple million off the tournament. But times have changed dramatically. Our basketball program generates $23M in revenues. NCAA makes billions off the NCAA tournament. Now some would argue correctly a lot of that money goes to support other sports which is true. But the people producing the revenues which is the players, are not supposed to get paid anything when they are taking all the risk? Especially if someone like Nike wants to pay them while they are in school?Gladiator Cat wrote:Sean Miller may have never carried-out, condoned or directed on any meaningful level or directly any illegal undertaking to pay players to/or direct their movement for favorable access to Arizona or third party agents.
But he and all of his assistant coaches, just like at all big schools, along with every coach from every level of D-I to D-III, including High School and everything in between knows now and knew then that every coach and school with any amount of resources played the money game in that savory, nasty underbelly of the college basketball underworld. And no amount of bellyaching BS will change those facts.
Every single diehard jackass knows the truth, but they choose to fight the urge to admit the nasty truth until someone lifts up the rug and exposes the filth underneath.
This is not a Arizona and Sean Miller problem, this is a college basketball problem that, make no mistake, Sean Miller and all other coaches have chosen to reside in.
The filthy NCAA and the greater corruption boby of the college basketball money gods have decided that Sean Miller and Arizona are going to be the scapegoats and take the brunt of the shit for the basketball mafia, just because.
All the rest of this whining, bitching, hyperventilating and victim-hood is just another example of the deranged level to which our social construct has fallen to justify the fake facade of ethical amateurism for the pleasure of childish adolescent adults that will overlook any transgression for personal pleasure and bias.
The whole thing is disgusting beyond belief and Sean Miller along with everyone of these multi-million dollar fucktard conmen known as college coaches are knee deep in this shit irrespective of your personal ability to honestly evaluate to the scale of dishonesty that lies at the very heart of this smoking crater.
Our coach is different than the rest of them..........get the fuck out-of-here, grow up!
Shit, I think he’s won enough games THIS YEAR to ensure he gets the benefit of the doubt. He lost nearly a whole recruiting class and had to replace an entire starting lineup. Most coaches would struggle to be within shouting distance of .500 but Sean could still get us to 20 wins.goslingswagg wrote:Barring significant currently undisclosed information about Miller and the recruiting scandal, I would be furious with the administration if they did not give him the chance to win a shit ton of games next year and compete for a national title. Furious. As 97 said, this year of course if frustrating, but he has won enough these past 9 years to give him the benefit of the doubt and allow him a chance for revenge next year.ChooChooCat wrote:It's a story I'd like to see play out the way we all want it to with the coach leaving all the stress of this bullshit behind just to focus on what should be a special team with special talent. Let's hope we get to see that story actually unfold.97cats wrote:i understand a bit the position about basketball at AZ being hectic and out of sorts for the last two years - the FBI stuff is and was difficult, just the fact that it’s there. until that’s over it’s an issue, for Coach Miller and some fans.
success on the floor is where my eyeballs go, and the winning has been steady and plentiful. this year Miller has earned a pass with past successes, but bad loses have become interesting to me, and if somehow Coach Miller survives to a sunset in all of this, I’ll be fixated on the chance to break through to a final four with Nico Mannion, and perhaps not get pushed around.
so yes, I still like Sean Miller, I still like that story
If there's no additional evidence showing players got paid or Miller knew, why would he say yes? I don't really understand that perspective, let alone why that is relevant to the charges in the upcoming trial.PHXCATS wrote:If the lawyer asks Miller if he ever knew of a player on his team getting paid, is Miller truthful in saying No under oath? If that is the case then nothing to worry about. If Miller says yes then it is a huge deal. But the question may never get asked as well.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I don't understand why you're worried about defense questions. If he asks Miller if Miller ordered the Code Red and Miller says no, unless there's independent evidence, you're just stuck with the no.
So because Miller denied it in a press conference and Self didn't, we should have different standards?
I hate 3 year clocks. Clock for what?
Yes Miller is under a higher standard now that he claimed so aggressively he did nothing wrong
3 year clock to make a final four or move on. That would be the case for me. Has 2019-2020, 2020-2021 and 2021-2022 to get it done or move on for me.
I honestly think its one of his better coaching jobs. This team has no talent on it outside of Brandon Williams and Jeter who are both hurt or have been hurt. Even those two are not supremely talented guys by any means.Chicat wrote:Shit, I think he’s won enough games THIS YEAR to ensure he gets the benefit of the doubt. He lost nearly a whole recruiting class and had to replace an entire starting lineup. Most coaches would struggle to be within shouting distance of .500 but Sean could still get us to 20 wins.goslingswagg wrote:Barring significant currently undisclosed information about Miller and the recruiting scandal, I would be furious with the administration if they did not give him the chance to win a shit ton of games next year and compete for a national title. Furious. As 97 said, this year of course if frustrating, but he has won enough these past 9 years to give him the benefit of the doubt and allow him a chance for revenge next year.ChooChooCat wrote:It's a story I'd like to see play out the way we all want it to with the coach leaving all the stress of this bullshit behind just to focus on what should be a special team with special talent. Let's hope we get to see that story actually unfold.97cats wrote:i understand a bit the position about basketball at AZ being hectic and out of sorts for the last two years - the FBI stuff is and was difficult, just the fact that it’s there. until that’s over it’s an issue, for Coach Miller and some fans.
success on the floor is where my eyeballs go, and the winning has been steady and plentiful. this year Miller has earned a pass with past successes, but bad loses have become interesting to me, and if somehow Coach Miller survives to a sunset in all of this, I’ll be fixated on the chance to break through to a final four with Nico Mannion, and perhaps not get pushed around.
so yes, I still like Sean Miller, I still like that story
If he does make it, I think this community should move on from you.PHXCATS wrote:3 year clock to make a final four or move on. That would be the case for me. Has 2019-2020, 2020-2021 and 2021-2022 to get it done or move on for me.
lmmfaoChicat wrote:If he does make it, I think this community should move on from you.PHXCATS wrote:3 year clock to make a final four or move on. That would be the case for me. Has 2019-2020, 2020-2021 and 2021-2022 to get it done or move on for me.
