Sean Miller

[Longhorned]

I’m just giddy that 97 is calling for Randolph to have the ball in his hands with the game on the line. Hopefully tonight carries forward.

[rgdeuce]

^^ Just noticed your sig UP Zona

Hug

[97cats]

No doubt we could have called a better play to get Randolph the ball.

coach Miller likes to give the PG the ball in that situation, always has.

next season Mannion will have that opportunity, it will be him one high with the ball in his hands - the play will look the same, but the execution will be different.

Mannion is the real deal

[84Cat]

Can't wait for the Nico era at Arizona!

[97cats]

I’m just giddy that 97 is calling for Randolph to have the ball in his hands with the game on the line. Hopefully tonight carries forward.

tonight Randolph had a new hairdo and what seemed a new attitude - aggressive, decisive, and confident.

tonight I wanted the ball in his hands to win the game - I don’t want to kick him to the curb.

has a chance to be a monster with Mannion...i can dream

[ChooChooCat]

i love Miller but boy those were two bad last possessions, one out of a timeout.

chance to go up four and instead of going to the hot hand in Randolph he runs one high with Coleman and the Beavs tie the game at the other end.

on the final possession he runs the same action with Coleman and it takes a spectacular and wild play to win the game, again not getting Randolph the ball.

just speaking my internal monologue as I’m watching the game here - didn’t like it.

Agreed completely. You knew exactly what play Miller was going to call to end the game though, it's literally the only play in his wheel house for end of game situations.

[U.P. Zona Fan]

^^ Just noticed your sig UP Zona

Hug

Lost my bet with r&f
Think I'll keep it til next year when we get to the final 4

[ByJoveByJingle]

I’m just gonna have to disagree with the last play ideas. Unless I’m misunderstanding. Are people suggesting that they want Randolph being a primary ball handler at the end of the game? Or, Miller should call a play that magically gets him open for a wide open look? Because I don’t want him making decisions with the ball at the end of the game. If the point guard is able to break down the defense and deliver the ball to Randolph in a good situation for him to be successful than I’m all for it. Otherwise we can expect a contested three, a ball dribbled off of a knee or some other unsatisfying outcome. We needed Williams in the game to run the end of game scenario. Unfortunately he fouled out.

[ChooChooCat]

I’m just gonna have to disagree with the last play ideas. Unless I’m misunderstanding. Are people suggesting that they want Randolph being a primary ball handler at the end of the game? Or, Miller should call a play that magically gets him open for a wide open look? Because I don’t want him making decisions with the ball at the end of the game. If the point guard is able to break down the defense and deliver the ball to Randolph in a good situation for him to be successful than I’m all for it. Otherwise we can expect a contested three, a ball dribbled off of a knee or some other unsatisfying outcome. We needed Williams in the game to run the end of game scenario. Unfortunately he fouled out.

I agree with that, but is it impossible to draw up a play where we can get Randolph a catch and shoot jumper off of a screen? Coleman was the only ballhandler available you're absolutely right there.

[Chicat]

I’m just gonna have to disagree with the last play ideas. Unless I’m misunderstanding. Are people suggesting that they want Randolph being a primary ball handler at the end of the game? Or, Miller should call a play that magically gets him open for a wide open look? Because I don’t want him making decisions with the ball at the end of the game. If the point guard is able to break down the defense and deliver the ball to Randolph in a good situation for him to be successful than I’m all for it. Otherwise we can expect a contested three, a ball dribbled off of a knee or some other unsatisfying outcome. We needed Williams in the game to run the end of game scenario. Unfortunately he fouled out.

I agree with that, but is it impossible to draw up a play where we can get Randolph a catch and shoot jumper off of a screen? Coleman was the only ballhandler available you're absolutely right there.

You can design the play. Doesn’t mean it’s going to work. The other team knows who the hot hand is. They’re not just going to let him get the ball with enough room to shoot.

[97cats]

look one high is one high, Coleman was the choice tonight.

i wanted to see Randolph there in some fashion given his hot hand.

the former resulted in two poor possessions and bad contested difficult shots to end the game.

good win tho on the road and a great play by Doutrive to win it.

[TucsonClip]

Color me confused as well on the last two possessions. The second to last play, Miller sends Randolph to the opposite corner, likely hoping he would get a kick for a pump fake and drive, but????

The last play, I had flashbacks of Trier not being used correctly. As 97 says, Randolph runs off the rub to a ghost ball screen and thats the action? No creativity, no multiple actions, no running Randolph off staggered screens with a DHO to get him the ball on the move? Anything?

[azcat49]

Let’s, 97, Choo, BJBJ, Longhorned, Chi, Clip, Duece. I think I will just shut up and read

[TucsonClip]

I’m just gonna have to disagree with the last play ideas. Unless I’m misunderstanding. Are people suggesting that they want Randolph being a primary ball handler at the end of the game? Or, Miller should call a play that magically gets him open for a wide open look? Because I don’t want him making decisions with the ball at the end of the game. If the point guard is able to break down the defense and deliver the ball to Randolph in a good situation for him to be successful than I’m all for it. Otherwise we can expect a contested three, a ball dribbled off of a knee or some other unsatisfying outcome. We needed Williams in the game to run the end of game scenario. Unfortunately he fouled out.

Considering he was hot and getting to the rack, yes. Run him off multiple screens, staggered, and get him the ball off a dribble hand off, turning the corner towards the rim with five seconds left.

[ChooChooCat]

Color me confused as well on the last two possessions. The second to last play, Miller sends Randolph to the opposite corner, likely hoping he would get a kick for a pump fake and drive, but????

The last play, I had flashbacks of Trier not being used correctly. As 97 says, Randolph runs off the rub to a ghost ball screen and thats the action? No creativity, no multiple actions, no running Randolph off staggered screens with a DHO to get him the ball on the move? Anything?

And my only question to you Clip is are you even remotely surprised? When's the last time Sean Miller has run an end of half/end of game play in a half court set that didn't look exactly like that?

[catgrad97]

This was the first really good game that "knucklehead" Randolph has played in months. Easy to armchair qb the game, especially w/r/t the hot hand--too easy a revisionist temptation to slide into.

But Randolph had done nothing to this point in the season to demand the ball in a final-shot situation. Point of fact, IIRC didn't he lose the ball off his foot in a couple of similar opportunities previously at the end of a half?

If Randolph is the hot hand going forward, it is definitely incumbent on Miller to design some plays specially for him in one-possession situations.

But this kid, new haircut and all, could also revert to another 4-for-19 shooting night at Oregon with iso jumpers galore and leave us all shaking our heads, wondering what we were thinking.

No, one good shooting game hasn't put Randolph close to Salim Stoudamire territory just yet. Hoping he'll string another solid road performance at Eugene on Saturday first.

Plus, as Doutrive demonstrated, this team can't have enough playmakers right now, and hopefully he takes at least five of Smith's minutes from now on.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Color me confused as well on the last two possessions. The second to last play, Miller sends Randolph to the opposite corner, likely hoping he would get a kick for a pump fake and drive, but????

The last play, I had flashbacks of Trier not being used correctly. As 97 says, Randolph runs off the rub to a ghost ball screen and thats the action? No creativity, no multiple actions, no running Randolph off staggered screens with a DHO to get him the ball on the move? Anything?

I go back and forth. I honestly doubt we would have practiced anything like Randolph off screens before this year. Randolph was good last night, but has been under 40% from the field all this year.

This is going to sound harsh, but on this year's team, I'm not sure we run a set designed to get someone a shot, unless it's designed to get Jeter in the post. That's largely because we don't have anyone on the perimeter who's consistently been good enough to deserve those sort of plays.

So the risk of a less conventional play is you're probably drawing it up and running it right there. That maximizes screwing up execution. Or, run a play they know is coming that the players are ready to run.

Either way, the best solution is a player making a play. Most times, end of game situations work because someone makes a play. Doutrive made a play.

[EVCat]

I would have ran something for Randolph last night simply because he was on fire from all of his "that shouldn't go...it went!" angles. His runners, baseline stuff, fadeaways, etc...

I would have had him going to the basket...same idea, crash the boards.

[azcat49]

Miller this year is 18-5 with his full roster. Injuries happen but that is pretty good with the limited talent on this squad

[PHXCATS]

Really great to see such fire last night. Team is playing hard for their coach

[Longhorned]

Color me confused as well on the last two possessions. The second to last play, Miller sends Randolph to the opposite corner, likely hoping he would get a kick for a pump fake and drive, but????

The last play, I had flashbacks of Trier not being used correctly. As 97 says, Randolph runs off the rub to a ghost ball screen and thats the action? No creativity, no multiple actions, no running Randolph off staggered screens with a DHO to get him the ball on the move? Anything?

I go back and forth. I honestly doubt we would have practiced anything like Randolph off screens before this year. Randolph was good last night, but has been under 40% from the field all this year.

This is going to sound harsh, but on this year's team, I'm not sure we run a set designed to get someone a shot, unless it's designed to get Jeter in the post. That's largely because we don't have anyone on the perimeter who's consistently been good enough to deserve those sort of plays.

So the risk of a less conventional play is you're probably drawing it up and running it right there. That maximizes screwing up execution. Or, run a play they know is coming that the players are ready to run.

Either way, the best solution is a player making a play. Most times, end of game situations work because someone makes a play. Doutrive made a play.

That's exactly what I was about to type, except my version wasn't as detailed or articulate.

[UAEebs86]

Miller this year is 18-5 with his full roster. Injuries happen but that is pretty good with the limited talent on this squad

Imagine where we'd be if he had them play zone or told them to run faster.

[PHXCATS]

7-1 with the full squad in conference play

[TucsonClip]

Color me confused as well on the last two possessions. The second to last play, Miller sends Randolph to the opposite corner, likely hoping he would get a kick for a pump fake and drive, but????

The last play, I had flashbacks of Trier not being used correctly. As 97 says, Randolph runs off the rub to a ghost ball screen and thats the action? No creativity, no multiple actions, no running Randolph off staggered screens with a DHO to get him the ball on the move? Anything?

And my only question to you Clip is are you even remotely surprised? When's the last time Sean Miller has run an end of half/end of game play in a half court set that didn't look exactly like that?

Not surprised by any of this sets. Its one negative I hate to keep coming back to, but just cant help myself.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Color me confused as well on the last two possessions. The second to last play, Miller sends Randolph to the opposite corner, likely hoping he would get a kick for a pump fake and drive, but????

The last play, I had flashbacks of Trier not being used correctly. As 97 says, Randolph runs off the rub to a ghost ball screen and thats the action? No creativity, no multiple actions, no running Randolph off staggered screens with a DHO to get him the ball on the move? Anything?

And my only question to you Clip is are you even remotely surprised? When's the last time Sean Miller has run an end of half/end of game play in a half court set that didn't look exactly like that?

I'm not sure if it's the last time, but Gabe York's missed 16 footer at the end of regulation in the EE vs Wisky in 13-14 will always be the one that sticks out for me.

It was purely designed to get York the shot he got off a double screen. It sticks out for me because I was so stunned that was the shot we called with a Final Four on the line. Gabe York catch and shoot off the screen. It worked perfectly except the shot too.

[TucsonClip]

Color me confused as well on the last two possessions. The second to last play, Miller sends Randolph to the opposite corner, likely hoping he would get a kick for a pump fake and drive, but????

The last play, I had flashbacks of Trier not being used correctly. As 97 says, Randolph runs off the rub to a ghost ball screen and thats the action? No creativity, no multiple actions, no running Randolph off staggered screens with a DHO to get him the ball on the move? Anything?

I go back and forth. I honestly doubt we would have practiced anything like Randolph off screens before this year. Randolph was good last night, but has been under 40% from the field all this year.

This is going to sound harsh, but on this year's team, I'm not sure we run a set designed to get someone a shot, unless it's designed to get Jeter in the post. That's largely because we don't have anyone on the perimeter who's consistently been good enough to deserve those sort of plays.

So the risk of a less conventional play is you're probably drawing it up and running it right there. That maximizes screwing up execution. Or, run a play they know is coming that the players are ready to run.

Either way, the best solution is a player making a play. Most times, end of game situations work because someone makes a play. Doutrive made a play.

This year, last year, most years. Miller can get his posts good looks off cross screens, duck-ins, ect. However, he frequently struggles to open up space for his guards and wings. This all leads back to the "two PG system," we are going to run next year. I would expect it is much of the same, "let them create the looks" over the designed sets to get a guard some space.

The good news is BWill and Nico are capable of creating their own space. Trier was as well, but Miller absolutely could have gotten Trier better looks without having him to create dead stop off the dribble. Thats really my issue; the rigidness of it all.

[azcat49]

I just rewatched the game. On the next to last possession I felt Coleman’s pass was intended for Randolph but Lee ended up with it. Anyone else have that same thought?

[Azgirl]

azcat49, when it happened that is exactly what I said...that pass was for BR.

[ByJoveByJingle]

Doesn’t fit the narrative. You must be wrong.

[ChooChooCat]

Color me confused as well on the last two possessions. The second to last play, Miller sends Randolph to the opposite corner, likely hoping he would get a kick for a pump fake and drive, but????

The last play, I had flashbacks of Trier not being used correctly. As 97 says, Randolph runs off the rub to a ghost ball screen and thats the action? No creativity, no multiple actions, no running Randolph off staggered screens with a DHO to get him the ball on the move? Anything?

And my only question to you Clip is are you even remotely surprised? When's the last time Sean Miller has run an end of half/end of game play in a half court set that didn't look exactly like that?

I'm not sure if it's the last time, but Gabe York's missed 16 footer at the end of regulation in the EE vs Wisky in 13-14 will always be the one that sticks out for me.

It was purely designed to get York the shot he got off a double screen. It sticks out for me because I was so stunned that was the shot we called with a Final Four on the line. Gabe York catch and shoot off the screen. It worked perfectly except the shot too.

Wow I did forget about that and you know what the whole WTF part of that play call was? Up to that point Gabe had only taken 1 shot the entire game in over 20 minutes of action and missed it. That certainly was a bold call to make at the time and I don't mean in a good way either. Having TJ or Nick run that Coleman play would've been a much better play at that time than running a play for Gabe with the game on the line.

[dovecanyoncat]

I go back and forth. I honestly doubt we would have practiced anything like Randolph off screens before this year. Randolph was good last night, but has been under 40% from the field all this year.

This is going to sound harsh, but on this year's team, I'm not sure we run a set designed to get someone a shot, unless it's designed to get Jeter in the post. That's largely because we don't have anyone on the perimeter who's consistently been good enough to deserve those sort of plays.

So the risk of a less conventional play is you're probably drawing it up and running it right there. That maximizes screwing up execution. Or, run a play they know is coming that the players are ready to run.

Either way, the best solution is a player making a play. Most times, end of game situations work because someone makes a play. Doutrive made a play.

I remember a KO quote about how it's "always about players and not about plays." Now I couldn't watch the game and all I saw was the last missed shot (and DD's put back) and it looked contested and desperate. From comments it sounds hard to determine in the last two (?) possessions if 1. Miller called designed plays for a specific shooter, and 2. if the Rando was designated in either of them. I understand Luther was out? But wouldn't he have just the kind of skillset to target in a design? It's really bewildering to think we wouldn't "run a set designed to get someone a shot, unless it's designed to get Jeter in the post" if we have decent spot-up shooters like Luther or Rando. I'd trust Luther waay over Rando. In recent memory, anytime Rando's feet or brain have been engaged his shot has been bad. IIRC every time I watched him playing in HS (with Ayton, wasn't it?) he was hitting stationary perimeter shots.

I don't know if it was execution or design that ran up the risk in the closing seconds of the OSU game, but I feel like CSM is not at his best in closing moments. Until recently, as Luther has come on strong, Coleman was our best % 3p shooter. A designed play that got Coleman an open pop-out return pass anywhere on the court would be crafty and play to our strength. I doubt we've designed anything like that as well. Good for us DD did DD. Done Deal.

[Postmaster]

They called they play where Coleman dribbles out the clock then can’t get a pass to anyone so he has to dribble in a circle, almost fall over, then shoot an off balance J.
Followed by ONE of the three other perimeter players going for the rebound.

[UAEebs86]

They called they play where Coleman dribbles out the clock then can’t get a pass to anyone so he has to dribble in a circle, almost fall over, then shoot an off balance J.
Followed by ONE of the three other perimeter players going for the rebound.

Executed to perfection

[Chicat]

They called they play where Coleman dribbles out the clock then can’t get a pass to anyone so he has to dribble in a circle, almost fall over, then shoot an off balance J.
Followed by ONE of the three other perimeter players going for the rebound.

Executed to perfection

According to KenPom we are #1 in adjO when running that play.

[97cats]

According to KenPom we are #1 in adjO when running that play.

lmao

[ByJoveByJingle]

I go back and forth. I honestly doubt we would have practiced anything like Randolph off screens before this year. Randolph was good last night, but has been under 40% from the field all this year.

This is going to sound harsh, but on this year's team, I'm not sure we run a set designed to get someone a shot, unless it's designed to get Jeter in the post. That's largely because we don't have anyone on the perimeter who's consistently been good enough to deserve those sort of plays.

So the risk of a less conventional play is you're probably drawing it up and running it right there. That maximizes screwing up execution. Or, run a play they know is coming that the players are ready to run.

Either way, the best solution is a player making a play. Most times, end of game situations work because someone makes a play. Doutrive made a play.

I remember a KO quote about how it's "always about players and not about plays." Now I couldn't watch the game and all I saw was the last missed shot (and DD's put back) and it looked contested and desperate. From comments it sounds hard to determine in the last two (?) possessions if 1. Miller called designed plays for a specific shooter, and 2. if the Rando was designated in either of them. I understand Luther was out? But wouldn't he have just the kind of skillset to target in a design? It's really bewildering to think we wouldn't "run a set designed to get someone a shot, unless it's designed to get Jeter in the post" if we have decent spot-up shooters like Luther or Rando. I'd trust Luther waay over Rando. In recent memory, anytime Rando's feet or brain have been engaged his shot has been bad. IIRC every time I watched him playing in HS (with Ayton, wasn't it?) he was hitting stationary perimeter shots.

I don't know if it was execution or design that ran up the risk in the closing seconds of the OSU game, but I feel like CSM is not at his best in closing moments. Until recently, as Luther has come on strong, Coleman was our best % 3p shooter. A designed play that got Coleman an open pop-out return pass anywhere on the court would be crafty and play to our strength. I doubt we've designed anything like that as well. Good for us DD did DD. Done Deal.

Luther fouled out, Randolph was doubled. We are currently seeing against Oregon why Randolph can’t be trusted with primary ball handling responsibility.

[U.P. Zona Fan]

DD is our highest %3pt shooter now.

[enfuego]

DD is our highest %3pt shooter now.

Has Zeke signed an LOI yet?

[sirhamsalot]

DD is our highest %3pt shooter now.

Has Zeke signed an LOI yet?

Zona, Kansas, Baylor, Purdue and UCLA were all in the running to land his services. Most of us were pretty shocked when Zeke chose Zona, but it looks like Miller was in the zone when he beat out those other coaches.

[ChooChooCat]

DD is our highest %3pt shooter now.

Has Zeke signed an LOI yet?

Zona, Kansas, Baylor, Purdue and UCLA were all in the running to land his services. Most of us were pretty shocked when Zeke chose Zona, but it looks like Miller was in the zone when he beat out those other coaches.

He knows, he's trolling and intimating that since Arizona sucks so bad this year and/or our FBI stuff that Zeke can back out and go commit to his pissant school.

[Beachcat97]

I haven't seen anything that would indicate Zeke could waver, but really, who knows? Guys change their minds all the time. More so in football than hoops, it seems, but still.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I haven't seen anything that would indicate Zeke could waver, but really, who knows? Guys change their minds all the time. More so in football than hoops, it seems, but still.

It's just a troll.

One thing I think reflects positively on our fanbase is we don't troll for years on phog.net when we lose a recruit to KU. We move on. Fuego spent 4 years stuck on Zeus and now it's Zeke.

[Beachcat97]

I haven't seen anything that would indicate Zeke could waver, but really, who knows? Guys change their minds all the time. More so in football than hoops, it seems, but still.

It's just a troll.

One thing I think reflects positively on our fanbase is we don't troll for years on phog.net when we lose a recruit to KU. We move on. Fuego spent 4 years stuck on Zeus and now it's Zeke.

Lol. I'd really think Fuego would outgrow this tendency at some point, but here we are.

Bottom line: our '19 class is a thing of beauty, and next season is looking quite good.

[PHXCATS]

I haven't seen anything that would indicate Zeke could waver, but really, who knows? Guys change their minds all the time. More so in football than hoops, it seems, but still.

It's just a troll.

One thing I think reflects positively on our fanbase is we don't troll for years on phog.net when we lose a recruit to KU. We move on. Fuego spent 4 years stuck on Zeus and now it's Zeke.

Lol. I'd really think Fuego would outgrow this tendency at some point, but here we are.

Bottom line: our '19 class is a thing of beauty, and next season is looking quite good.

I believe you have said this every year so what is so different this time?

[KillerKlown]

Still waiting for Jahvon Quinerly to be suspended...

[Spaceman Spiff]

Miller should get players playing harder with motivational tools like Robert Sarver uses.

"FOUR YEARS AFTER naming McDonough general manager, Sarver acquired some live goats from a Diana Taurasi event at Talking Stick Resort Arena and planted them upstairs in McDonough's office. The stunt was both a practical joke and an inspirational message -- the Suns should find a GOAT of their own, one who dominates like Taurasi. The goats, unaware of their metaphorical connotation, proceeded to defecate all over McDonough's office."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2608 ... ont-office" target="_blank

[UAEebs86]

Good on ya goats. Sarver deserves that.

[ChooChooCat]

I haven't seen anything that would indicate Zeke could waver, but really, who knows? Guys change their minds all the time. More so in football than hoops, it seems, but still.

It's just a troll.

One thing I think reflects positively on our fanbase is we don't troll for years on phog.net when we lose a recruit to KU. We move on. Fuego spent 4 years stuck on Zeus and now it's Zeke.

Lol. I'd really think Fuego would outgrow this tendency at some point, but here we are.

Bottom line: our '19 class is a thing of beauty, and next season is looking quite good.

At one point Kansas was expected to at least land 2 of if not all of Nnaji, Jeremiah Robinson Earl, and Matthew Hurt. Fast forward to now and they're not going to land any of them.

[Beachcat97]

I believe you have said this every year so what is so different this time?

I'm not sure we've had two guards this good arriving in the same year. And that's only 2/5 of the class! It's among the best classes Miller has had, maybe the best.

So what's different? The amount and type of talent. Miller has had talent before, but this '19 class feels different. More special.

Guess we'll see.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Good on ya goats. Sarver deserves that.

If you want GOAT shit, you need goat shit.