The 2019-2020 Season Thread

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:05 pm

Glad to see Green above 200lbs. He'd said that's where he was but nice confirmation here.

FWIW, his body reminds me of Jamelle Horne.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:09 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:Glad to see Green above 200lbs. He'd said that's where he was but nice confirmation here.

FWIW, his body reminds me of Jamelle Horne.

Why would you say something like that? The second you said it, I thought of a foul 75 feet from the basket in a tie game with the clock running out.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:11 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:Glad to see Green above 200lbs. He'd said that's where he was but nice confirmation here.

FWIW, his body reminds me of Jamelle Horne.
Why would you say something like that? The second you said it, I thought of a foul 75 feet from the basket in a tie game with the clock running out.

Richard Jefferson! He reminds me of Richard Jefferson!

(I'm so sorry)

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:13 pm

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:25 pm

Nico's wingspan or lack there of may be a factor that keeps him at Arizona longer.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:48 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Nico's wingspan or lack there of may be a factor that keeps him at Arizona longer.

Can't think of many NBA players with t-rex wingspan. Maybe JJ Reddick? Even guys like Isiah Thomas and Nate Robinson were +3-4 wingspan or more

Williams is better here, he's 6'2 with a 6'6 wingspan

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:21 pm

Wingspan can be overlooked for a PG. Trae Young is 6'2" with a 6'3" wingspan. Steph is 6'3" with a 6'3" wingspan. If a PG can pass and shoot, their wingspan won't keep them off a draft board (conversely, if they can't pass or shoot, wingspan can get them to the top of the draft board... waive hello Colin Sexton, De'Aaron Fox, and Frank Ntilikina).

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:52 pm

So he needs to become a sharpshooter who hits shots from 45ft to get drafted

Anyway, Green & Mannion should be fun

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:49 pm

dmjcat wrote:Terry Amstrong wins National Slam Dunk Contest

This is all I could find.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:17 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Frybry02 wrote:Well if you wanted Miller to change anything in system, tonight gave you an answer.

Do What We Do
At least it gets rid of the packline can't make a final four or win a natty talk.

Packline made the final four last year with Loyola Chicago.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:02 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Frybry02 wrote:Well if you wanted Miller to change anything in system, tonight gave you an answer.

Do What We Do
At least it gets rid of the packline can't make a final four or win a natty talk.
Packline made the final four last year with Loyola Chicago.

Pack line with 3&4 year athletes.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:39 am

Nico doesn't seem to do/show well in these all star exhibitions (like the McD's AA game), but seems to kill it in practice. Probably has to adjust to the athleticism in these games, he'll do it eventually though. But traditional bigs and true points seem to always get lost in these type of games because it's all flash

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:28 am

Well you've got guys in these showcase game taking 20 FGAs and ball stopping on offense. In practice there's no one to impress but the coaches and the other players on the court - so you just play.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:23 am

I think if Randolph stays, it wouldn't be the end of the world, more minutes for Doutrieve and Armstrong. Doutrieve if he returns, will be here for a couple of years as will Armstrong. Being given minutes now when they don't have the shoulder the weight of the team is beneficial down the road when they do have to step up and carry the team. We've already seen recently what happens when this doesn't happen. Akot, Randolph, Lee, weren't given meaningful mins on the Ayton team and when they had to step up they had no experience to do it.

At the end of they, Randolph returning is for the best of the team imo. But him leaving could potentially be more beneficial to future teams, especially when it looks like we're not landing the big 5*s this year to save the team. What would suck is for Miller to bring in a one year grad transfer who won't be as good in Power 5 conference play (most never are) and sets back development for players who'll have to lead the team in a year.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:42 am

NYCat wrote:I think if Randolph stays, it wouldn't be the end of the world, more minutes for Doutrieve and Armstrong. Doutrieve if he returns, will be here for a couple of years as will Armstrong. Being given minutes now when they don't have the shoulder the weight of the team is beneficial down the road when they do have to step up and carry the team. We've already seen recently what happens when this doesn't happen. Akot, Randolph, Lee, weren't given meaningful mins on the Ayton team and when they had to step up they had no experience to do it.

At the end of they, Randolph returning is for the best of the team imo. But him leaving could potentially be more beneficial to future teams, especially when it looks like we're not landing the big 5*s this year to save the team. What would suck is for Miller to bring in a one year grad transfer who won't be as good in a Power 5 conference play and sets back development for players who'll have to lead the team in a year.

I'm with you on this in some respects, but I also think Randolph was really atrocious last year, so I have zero issues swapping Hazzard for him and moving forward next year without him. I think Hazzard would be a solid 3rd guard that can play 15-20 mins a game, provide nice floor spacing, decent defense, etc. Not sure I can say the same about Randolph.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:46 pm

goslingswagg wrote: I'm with you on this in some respects, but I also think Randolph was really atrocious last year, so I have zero issues swapping Hazzard for him and moving forward next year without him. I think Hazzard would be a solid 3rd guard that can play 15-20 mins a game, provide nice floor spacing, decent defense, etc. Not sure I can say the same about Randolph.

First thing I'll say is I don't trust Williams & Jeter, I think they will always be battling with injuries/injury prone. That's the only reason Hazzard makes sense to me. if Williams misses significant time, he's a good backup.

If Williams is healthy, I don't see Hazzard getting more than 10mins per game. Last year Coleman averaged 30.8mpg, Williams 28.2mpg -- I'm going to assume Mannion is better and a sophomore Williams are also better. Barcello averaged 9.6mpg. That will result in similar MPG if not more for Mannion & Williams, maybe he trusts Hazzard out there more and gets more mins than Barcello. Why should Hazzard occupy 15-20 mins that could go to rotational wings or guys who can play more than one position. Not having Mannion or Williams on the floor for more than 10 mins would be a crime.

We all know Sean will only go 7-8 deep. The first 5 are obvious. The 6th & 7th players will be posts most likely. The 8th has to be a wing/guard who can play multiple positions (SG/SF), I don't see how you can find 15-20 mins for a 3rd option who can only play at one position. There's not enough minutes.

Again if this is about a major concern about Williams' being injury prone or the past injuries negatively affecting him going forward, Hazzard makes sense. If not, I don't see carving out major mins for him. I'm sorry but he's not coming to Arizona and shooting 40% from 3, he's just not, if he does in the limited mins available the quantity taken wouldn't be enough.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:57 pm

Someone close to CSM needs to call JET.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:01 pm

I'm torn. We need reliable three point shooting. We need toughness as the point of attack. Hazzard offers those things. But I'm very reluctant to accept that a sub-6 foot volume three point shooting grad transfer is the answer for next year.

If Hazzard's role next year is just "compete in practice, play ten minutes, give us a different look - catch and shoot reliably and don't turn the ball over" ...yeah I think that works. Anything beyond that means something has gone wrong. Then again... we need three point shooters. I'm torn.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:40 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:I'm torn. We need reliable three point shooting. We need toughness as the point of attack. Hazzard offers those things. But I'm very reluctant to accept that a sub-6 foot volume three point shooting grad transfer is the answer for next year.

If Hazzard's role next year is just "compete in practice, play ten minutes, give us a different look - catch and shoot reliably and don't turn the ball over" ...yeah I think that works. Anything beyond that means something has gone wrong. Then again... we need three point shooters. I'm torn.

I think barring a Bwill injury, his role will be similar to that (though I’m guessing 15 mins as opposed to 10). And I like that. Essentially a rich man’s Barcello. Confidence, toughness, shooting - all very valuable skills we lacked last year but should have this upcoming year in spades.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:39 pm

Classic Wilner

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:44 pm

NYCat wrote:Classic Wilner

Must be a slow news day.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:56 pm

NYCat wrote:Classic Wilner

Wilner just loves us.

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:59 pm

NYCat wrote:Classic Wilner

I like Arizona's chances at getting the "best case scenario".

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:02 pm

Chicat wrote:
NYCat wrote:Classic Wilner

Wilner just loves us.

He authored an article saying our program might blow up this week. A fan responds saying they don't think that happens and he flips it into our fans being myopic.

People don't all share your opinion, bruh.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:38 pm

Look, I'm going to sell you this lotto ticket. It cost a buck, there's a chance it's worth $100m - so let's just split the difference and call it a $50m sale price. What do you say?

...

Will Wade just got reinstated, USC is similarly accused as Arizona, and yet we're supposed to be a coin flip from firing Miller?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:41 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:Look, I'm going to sell you this lotto ticket. It cost a buck, there's a chance it's worth $100m - so let's just split the difference and call it a $50m sale price. What do you say?

Is this a metaphor for how Adidas recruited KU players in exchange for potential shoe contracts in the future?

Or are you Michael Avenatti trying to raise money for legal defense?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:50 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Chicat wrote:
NYCat wrote:Classic Wilner

Wilner just loves us.

He authored an article saying our program might blow up this week. A fan responds saying they don't think that happens and he flips it into our fans being myopic.

People don't all share your opinion, bruh.

The “even for Arizona fans” dig was telling. Surprised he didn’t follow it up with more begging for someone to subscribe to his newsletter.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:10 pm

Wilner tries to prove too hard that he doesn't have any Arizona allegiance since he used to be a beat reporter for the Tucson Citizen.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:24 pm

Would Wilner accept a $1000 bet, getting 10-1 odds that Miller stays at Arizona? He acts as though this is a 50/50 proposition.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:26 pm

zonagrad wrote:He acts as though this is a 50/50 proposition.

with a 10% chance of that

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:29 pm

ChooChooCat wrote: Still finalizing St. John's at the Warriors arena.

Some details from the Nevada side, I'll assume some of the details are similar to Arizona's. Guess the event has something to do with the HoF

The Nevada-Saint Mary's game will be one of multiple college contests played at Chase Center. The other game(s) are unknown, although the contract does say, "if another opponent is available that is more desired to both schools, the BHOF, UN and Saint Mary's College can mutually agree upon a change of opponent for both schools. In any scenario, both UN and Saint Mary's College will participate in this event."

Per the contract, Nevada will get 75 complimentary tickets located in a premium seating section. Nevada will get a payment of $15,000 to play in the game that due between Dec. 22, 2019 and Jan. 22, 2020. All revenue from the game will go to the Basketball Hall of Fame and Chase Center. Nevada would owe $150,000 if it failed to participate in the event

Also, maybe Arizona hopefully gets an invite to this event since Lute is being inducted again

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:33 pm

I'm worried St. John's bails out because it still doesn't have a head coach.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:09 pm

zonagrad wrote:I'm worried St. John's bails out because it still doesn't have a head coach.

Without Mullin as their head coach they certainly has lost their allure from a Warriors stand point.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:09 pm

97cats wrote:
zonagrad wrote:He acts as though this is a 50/50 proposition.
with a 10% chance of that

Wilner is my bae

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:33 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Chicat wrote:
NYCat wrote:Classic Wilner

Wilner just loves us.

He authored an article saying our program might blow up this week. A fan responds saying they don't think that happens and he flips it into our fans being myopic.

People don't all share your opinion, bruh.

Convenient

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:01 pm

Fuck that dick ass bitch. Hated him when he was in Tucson. Such an asshair

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:08 am

Looks like we added Hazzard. Not sure how he adds anything to next years team, but he is a practice body.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:04 am

gronk4heisman wrote:Looks like we added Hazzard. Not sure how he adds anything to next years team, but he is a practice body.

He's a dog of a defender, a reliable and willing three point shooter, and he takes care of the ball. Intangibles are high.

This is a very good add for us, and it took me some time to come around to that conclusion after knee-jerking "please no more tiny grad transfer gunners."

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:08 am

YoDeFoe wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:Looks like we added Hazzard. Not sure how he adds anything to next years team, but he is a practice body.
He's a dog of a defender, a reliable and willing three point shooter, and he takes care of the ball. Intangibles are high.

This is a very good add for us, and it took me some time to come around to that conclusion after knee-jerking "please no more tiny grad tranfer gunners."

Agree to disagree, I will have to wait and see but I do not currently see him as any more than a shorter Jacob. I can just pray he does not take any minutes from someone like Doutrive.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:15 am

more, more, more of the same - same same same same

gonna nap

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:15 am

gronk4heisman wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:Looks like we added Hazzard. Not sure how he adds anything to next years team, but he is a practice body.
He's a dog of a defender, a reliable and willing three point shooter, and he takes care of the ball. Intangibles are high.

This is a very good add for us, and it took me some time to come around to that conclusion after knee-jerking "please no more tiny grad tranfer gunners."
Agree to disagree, I will have to wait and see but I do not currently see him as any more than a shorter Jacob. I can just pray he does not take any minutes from someone like Doutrive.

I'm not trying to be rude, but if you can't see that he's a better player than his brother then you're not trying at all (or worse).

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:16 am

gronk4heisman wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:Looks like we added Hazzard. Not sure how he adds anything to next years team, but he is a practice body.
He's a dog of a defender, a reliable and willing three point shooter, and he takes care of the ball. Intangibles are high.

This is a very good add for us, and it took me some time to come around to that conclusion after knee-jerking "please no more tiny grad tranfer gunners."
Agree to disagree, I will have to wait and see but I do not currently see him as any more than a shorter Jacob. I can just pray he does not take any minutes from someone like Doutrive.

I not convinced Jacob would have averaged 12/game at UC Irvine. He was walk-on material. When he did get minutes he looked and played like a walk-on.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:20 am

gronk4heisman wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:Looks like we added Hazzard. Not sure how he adds anything to next years team, but he is a practice body.
He's a dog of a defender, a reliable and willing three point shooter, and he takes care of the ball. Intangibles are high.

This is a very good add for us, and it took me some time to come around to that conclusion after knee-jerking "please no more tiny grad tranfer gunners."
Agree to disagree, I will have to wait and see but I do not currently see him as any more than a shorter Jacob. I can just pray he does not take any minutes from someone like Doutrive.

Having seen him play live a twice times this year I can tell you he is much better then his brother. Very well built, quick, has a nice shot, looks tough, and appeared to be a good leader

I think its a good pick up. He learned from a good tough coach and think he will be a good bench addition to us. I do not see him being a major difference maker but good, older player

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:27 am

YoDeFoe wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:Looks like we added Hazzard. Not sure how he adds anything to next years team, but he is a practice body.
He's a dog of a defender, a reliable and willing three point shooter, and he takes care of the ball. Intangibles are high.

This is a very good add for us, and it took me some time to come around to that conclusion after knee-jerking "please no more tiny grad tranfer gunners."
Agree to disagree, I will have to wait and see but I do not currently see him as any more than a shorter Jacob. I can just pray he does not take any minutes from someone like Doutrive.
I'm not trying to be rude, but if you can't see that he's a better player than his brother then you're not trying at all (or worse).

Jacob was ranked 310 in his class: https://247sports.com/Player/Max-Hazzar ... ool-47342/" target="_blank

Max was 315 in his class: https://247sports.com/Player/Max-Hazzar ... ool-47342/" target="_blank

They are more alike then you think, just choose to go down different paths.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:53 am

gronk4heisman wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:Agree to disagree, I will have to wait and see but I do not currently see him as any more than a shorter Jacob. I can just pray he does not take any minutes from someone like Doutrive.
I'm not trying to be rude, but if you can't see that he's a better player than his brother then you're not trying at all (or worse).
Jacob was ranked 310 in his class: https://247sports.com/Player/Max-Hazzar ... ool-47342/" target="_blank

Max was 315 in his class: https://247sports.com/Player/Max-Hazzar ... ool-47342/" target="_blank

They are more alike then you think, just choose to go down different paths.

This is an inane argument. One chose to accept one of their many D1 offers, the other chose to walk-on at a D1 program. 247 didn't even rate Jacob (you're referencing the "composite"). And finally: we're not comparing who these players were as seniors in high school. Max has played 2,300 minutes of D1 ball. He's scored nearly a thousand points. And notably: he was the MVP of the Big West tournament last year and led his team to their first NCAA tournament win. Those things actually happened for Max, and they matter to his growth and speak to his quality as a player.

Please feel free to wait and see.

To be sure this doesn't swing too far in the other direction: I'm forecasting that he'll be a competitor in practice, a bench contributor in function, and insurance for Williams in case of health issues. Not saying he's going to rock our world.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:25 pm

gronk4heisman wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:Looks like we added Hazzard. Not sure how he adds anything to next years team, but he is a practice body.
He's a dog of a defender, a reliable and willing three point shooter, and he takes care of the ball. Intangibles are high.

This is a very good add for us, and it took me some time to come around to that conclusion after knee-jerking "please no more tiny grad tranfer gunners."
Agree to disagree, I will have to wait and see but I do not currently see him as any more than a shorter Jacob. I can just pray he does not take any minutes from someone like Doutrive.
I'm not trying to be rude, but if you can't see that he's a better player than his brother then you're not trying at all (or worse).
Jacob was ranked 310 in his class: https://247sports.com/Player/Max-Hazzar ... ool-47342/" target="_blank

Max was 315 in his class: https://247sports.com/Player/Max-Hazzar ... ool-47342/" target="_blank

They are more alike then you think, just choose to go down different paths.

What was Alex Barcello's ranking? What was PJC's ranking?

Heck, what was Damian Lillard's ranking? Was he ranked higher than Gabe York?

These rankings just aren't reliable. Maybe they're helpful in discerning if Zion Williams is the best in the country. But after that, these rankings seem terribly unreliable.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:32 pm

If he can be a stretch 4 and 5, that'd be cool

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:41 am

Goddamn Zeke - you're giving me hope

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:15 am

He’s the one I’m really exited to see.

All of the new guys for sure, but Zeke channels a bit of Bash and Rawle.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:23 am

I’m telling you, guys: our class is better than Duke’s.

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