The 2019-2020 Season Thread

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:03 am

CalStateTempe wrote:What actually happened to BWill?

He decided he wanted to play basketball for the University of Arizona...

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:11 am

Alieberman wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:What actually happened to BWill?
He decided he wanted to play basketball for the University of Arizona...

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:43 am

CalStateTempe wrote:What actually happened to BWill?

He was diagnosed with Osteochondritis dissecans while in high school that affects blood flow to the knee causing death of the bone and cartilage in the knee. He had surgery to increase blood flow and seemed to recover pretty well until last season when same knee swelled up again. The recovery time after his first surgery was 10 months. Due to HIPAA and FERPA rules, the UA is not stating what his recent knee issues are. Believe someone posted that they are resting the knee now, and will see if additional surgery is required,which means another 10 month recovery period and at least a medical redshirt year.

And like has been alluded to, BWill make take a medical retirement like Ray Smith, which will convert to an academic scholarship, freeing up an athletic scholarship.

Don't know what his parents feel about it, but if that was my kid I would want only good healthy for him.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:24 am

Well he was working out in McKale at 1130pm or so per his Instagram story. Who knows any more?

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:29 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Well he was working out in McKale at 1130pm or so per his Instagram story. Who knows any more?

pls pls pls pls pls pls pls pls pls

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:01 am

SunnyAZ wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote: BWill is a scoring point guard.
the things I like most about BWill are his passing and defense. I think he did real well in those aspects and he wasn't even a full time PG

I don't disagree he's a good passer and has good defensive capability. I use scoring PG not to say he's a bad passer, but that he's a potent scorer.

Today, I think a scoring PG is better than a traditional PG. I am really hoping he's able to play.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:25 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Well he was working out in McKale at 1130pm or so per his Instagram story. Who knows any more?

He was working the Sean Miller basketball camp last week as well. So clearly he wants to be here, here's hoping his body is willing.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:28 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Well he was working out in McKale at 1130pm or so per his Instagram story. Who knows any more?

I certainly don't, but I don't want to get my hopes up since there have been reports of Ray Smith playing ball at McKale.

How do I get to his instagram story? Not an instagram user, but found this https://www.instagram.com/thebwill2/" target="_blank

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:41 am

Here's a new grad transfer offer....

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... id/3948863" target="_blank

The fact we're adding a back up option at PG isn't likely a coincidence.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:48 am

Merkin wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Well he was working out in McKale at 1130pm or so per his Instagram story. Who knows any more?
I certainly don't, but I don't want to get my hopes up since there have been reports of Ray Smith playing ball at McKale.

How do I get to his instagram story? Not an instagram user, but found this https://www.instagram.com/thebwill2/" target="_blank

I posted the pic in the Brandon Williams thread, link below

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4954&start=200#p390716" target="_blank

As for Williams, it really doesn't matter if Williams is practicing or wants to play, if doctors tell him he has to stop, he'll have to retire.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:48 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Here's a new grad transfer offer....

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... id/3948863" target="_blank

The fact we're adding a back up option at PG isn't likely a coincidence.

Yup. Offering people without a scholarship spot to offer is not a great sign for Brandon.

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:54 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Here's a new grad transfer offer....

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... id/3948863" target="_blank

The fact we're adding a back up option at PG isn't likely a coincidence.

So disappointing on so many levels. Fuck it, let Josh Green handle the ball if Mannion gets hurt.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:55 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Here's a new grad transfer offer....

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... id/3948863" target="_blank

The fact we're adding a back up option at PG isn't likely a coincidence.

Barcello has to be a better option as a backup

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:07 am

Merkin wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Well he was working out in McKale at 1130pm or so per his Instagram story. Who knows any more?
I certainly don't, but I don't want to get my hopes up since there have been reports of Ray Smith playing ball at McKale.

How do I get to his instagram story? Not an instagram user, but found this https://www.instagram.com/thebwill2/" target="_blank

Go to his profile and click on his profile pic and the story will play. It's really just the picture that nycats posted

NYCat wrote:

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:09 am

NYCat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Here's a new grad transfer offer....

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... id/3948863" target="_blank

The fact we're adding a back up option at PG isn't likely a coincidence.
Barcello has to be a better option as a backup

Arizona wanted Barcello to stay, so this is the option we're left with.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:10 am

baycat93 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Here's a new grad transfer offer....

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... id/3948863" target="_blank

The fact we're adding a back up option at PG isn't likely a coincidence.
So disappointing on so many levels. Fuck it, let Josh Green handle the ball if Mannion gets hurt.

I'm pretty sure Hazzard is our ball handler when Nico rests. You need a back up option to that though obviously.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:17 am

At this point, you aren't gonna get more than what you lose...

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:22 am

Olsondogg wrote:At this point, you aren't gonna get more than what you lose...

Yeah if you need a point guard in what amounts to pretty much July pickens are slim. Mark Few beat us to the jump for the UNT guy, so here's where we are. Think of it this way, Barcello wasn't going to get many minutes at all if any this season, and this guy just fills that role. Doutrive returning fills a massive hole and there may be better news on the way in regards to one more addition to this class and the guy's spot he'd be taking wouldn't hurt anybody's feelings.

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:22 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
baycat93 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Here's a new grad transfer offer....

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... id/3948863" target="_blank

The fact we're adding a back up option at PG isn't likely a coincidence.
So disappointing on so many levels. Fuck it, let Josh Green handle the ball if Mannion gets hurt.
I'm pretty sure Hazzard is our ball handler when Nico rests. You need a back up option to that though obviously.

Totally get it. to lose a two year player like Barcello for a GT is such a sad downgrade. Would rather roll with talent.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:24 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:At this point, you aren't gonna get more than what you lose...
Yeah if you need a point guard in what amounts to pretty much July pickens are slim. Mark Few beat us to the jump for the UNT guy, so here's where we are. Think of it this way, Barcello wasn't going to get many minutes at all if any this season, and this guy just fills that role. Doutrive returning fills a massive hole and there may be better news on the way in regards to one more addition to this class and the guy's spot he'd be taking wouldn't hurt anybody's feelings.

Yes. Glad he came to his senses. I've always wanted guys to return rather than get replacements...like even Randolph and Smith--I want them more than a grad transfer, as I cannot remember a grad transfer that anyone was thrilled about. Maybe Hazzard will be the one...

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:30 am

Ultimately this is how I see it, the crux of the rotation will come from this group of players:

Mannion
Hazzard
Green
Doutrive
Gettings
Lee
Nnaji
Jeter

and the last spot in the rotation will go to either Dylan Smith or Puff Johnson if he does indeed reclassify and we land him. This would've been the same whether Barcello was on roster or not quite frankly. Now instead of Barcello this guy will fill that role. Koloko should redshirt, but that'll be TBD I'm sure. Baker and Brown provide great practice bodies.

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:42 am

I was very sad when smith had to retire, but BW feels worse for some reason. Maybe just the present overshadowing the past. Him recommitting to CSM and the program to him having a strong Freshman year and the prospect of teaming up with Mannion and Green in the back court. Just so disheartening for BW.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:59 am

Smith for Puff sounds cool

So it's looking like

Frontcourt:
1. Jeter
2. Lee
3. Nnaji
4. Gettings
5. Koloko

Wings:
6. Green
7. Smith/Puff

Backcourt:
8. Mannion
9. Hazzard
10. Doutrive
11. Weaver/_____

Sit Out:
12. Baker
13. Brown

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:06 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Ultimately this is how I see it, the crux of the rotation will come from this group of players:

Mannion
Hazzard
Green
Doutrive
Gettings
Lee
Nnaji
Jeter

and the last spot in the rotation will go to either Dylan Smith or Puff Johnson if he does indeed reclassify and we land him. This would've been the same whether Barcello was on roster or not quite frankly. Now instead of Barcello this guy will fill that role. Koloko should redshirt, but that'll be TBD I'm sure. Baker and Brown provide great practice bodies.

Man...losing Bwill is such a huge hit to this year's team. He was likely going to be one of our best 2 or 3 players. The ceiling of the team is just not what I was hoping it would be heading into this off-season because of him. Major bummer. Miller legitimately has the worst luck in the world, even though he is a witch of course.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:16 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Here's a new grad transfer offer....

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... id/3948863" target="_blank

The fact we're adding a back up option at PG isn't likely a coincidence.

2 star out of high school.

I trust in Miller, but Weaver's stats are not that impressive although his 3 point shooting and turnovers are OK. Only 38% 2PT last season, 36 3PT%, 63 FT%, 2.2 APG, 1.4 TO on 30 MPG for a 13-18 team.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pl ... ver-1.html" target="_blank

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:20 am

Merkin wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Here's a new grad transfer offer....

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... id/3948863" target="_blank

The fact we're adding a back up option at PG isn't likely a coincidence.
2 star out of high school.

I trust in Miller, but Weaver's stats are not that impressive although his 3 point shooting and turnovers are OK. Only 38% 2PT last season, 36 3PT%, 63 FT%, 2.2 APG, 1.4 TO on 30 MPG for a 13-18 team.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pl ... ver-1.html" target="_blank

He took so few 2 point shots it doesn't even matter, literally 85% of his shots come from 3. The guy is a 3 point shooter and a 3 point shooter only and he's only average at that. He can get some steals though, probably because he's small.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:47 am

I’m not fond of the one year transfers
Lyons is the only one that seemed productive

Didn’t DD do some pg duties at end of season?

IndianaZonaFan · Post by **IndianaZonaFan** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:57 am

So who would we ASSUME the starters to be if Williams can’t play?

Nico
Hazard/Doutrive?
Green
Nnaji
Jeter

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:11 pm

IndianaZonaFan wrote:So who would we ASSUME the starters to be if Williams can’t play?

Nico
Hazard/Doutrive?
Green
Nnaji
Jeter

Yup, only question at the moment is who starts at the 2.

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:16 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
IndianaZonaFan wrote:So who would we ASSUME the starters to be if Williams can’t play?

Nico
Hazard/Doutrive?
Green
Nnaji
Jeter
Yup, only question at the moment is who starts at the 2.

Such a bummer. Glad DD is coming back but we are going to be giving more than 25% of available minutes to some pretty big question marks.... DD/Smith/Hazzard. Not exactly a recipe for a FF. Loosing Williams steadiness and talent is a BIG downgrade. DD as a 6th man fits his previous play and makes sure he is accountable.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:22 pm

baycat93 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
IndianaZonaFan wrote:So who would we ASSUME the starters to be if Williams can’t play?

Nico
Hazard/Doutrive?
Green
Nnaji
Jeter
Yup, only question at the moment is who starts at the 2.
Such a bummer. Glad DD is coming back but we are going to be giving more than 25% of available minutes to some pretty big question marks.... DD/Smith/Hazzard. Not exactly a recipe for a FF. Loosing Williams steadiness and talent is a BIG downgrade. DD as a 6th man fits his previous play and makes sure he is accountable.

I swear to good christ if Smith is starting at the 2 for us this year I will have given up on the team game 1.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:29 pm

Survivor Wildcat season 2019. Tribes: Transfers; Five Stars; Returnees. Exile to FBI Island. Hidden Injury Idols. Tribal council every single goddamned day.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:37 pm

Miller loves the guys who know the pack line....

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:41 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
I swear to good christ if Smith is starting at the 2 for us this year I will have given up on the team game 1.

You and me both, you are literally better off playing 4 on 5 on offense with him on the court. No other player in the Miller Era has ever come close to playing 20 MPG with a sub 9 PER which Dylan has had the last two years. The scariest part of the whole thing is that for some reason Miller is willing to take his offense that results in more fast breaks the other way then points for his good half court defense.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:44 pm

Dylan Smith, the only UA player ever to miss a 2 foot shot by 5 feet.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:45 pm

I can't wait til Dylan hits a game winner and you all have to suck off.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:47 pm

I don't think we should already count out Ira starting.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:54 pm

Far be it from me to second guess the oracles that inhabit these here threads, but given the fucking day-to-day roster instability this summer, I'm a little surprised how it's presumed Williams is done *before* a formal announcement has come out.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:56 pm

Olsondogg wrote:I can't wait til Dylan hits a game winner and you all have to suck off.

If Dylan Smith is on the floor in a tight game with the ball in his hands, that’s a problem. That will mean this team is screwed anyways and it’s irrelevant if he hits a game winner to beat a shitty Cal team.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:59 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Far be it from me to second guess the oracles that inhabit these here threads, but given the fucking day-to-day roster instability this summer, I'm a little surprised how it's presumed Williams is done *before* a formal announcement has come out.

We have a full roster. There is only 1 reason why Miller is looking for a mediocre back up guard to play this season.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:03 pm

zonagrad wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:I can't wait til Dylan hits a game winner and you all have to suck off.
If Dylan Smith is on the floor in a tight game with the ball in his hands, that’s a problem. That will mean this team is screwed anyways and it’s irrelevant if he hits a game winner to beat a shitty Cal team.

Have you not watched enough basketball to realize shit happens? Every year, shit happens.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:03 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Far be it from me to second guess the oracles that inhabit these here threads, but given the fucking day-to-day roster instability this summer, I'm a little surprised how it's presumed Williams is done *before* a formal announcement has come out.

I think reaching out to a guard in the transfer portal when we are full and have nowhere else to go for an open roster position, mixed with the rumors and past history, seem to have people expecting the worst.

Amazingly, though...at the end of the day, we have one transfer (Alex Barcello). And that transfer makes total sense, from the usual playing time point of view encountered by most major programs.

I would venture to guess we are actually below the national average, or right at it, with actual transfers. We had a player leave for the pros too early (common issue with major programs). We had a recruit bail because of grades. And we had a lot of open space because of an unprecedented FBI investigation and incorrect media reporting.

Now, if BWill has to leave, that is unfortunate. Awful, really. In that respect...medical issues causing retirement...we would be way out front or behind or however you want to phrase that.

But the actual "players transferring out of this place" indicator that would indicate dissatisfaction with the program? We have had little of that, and the one case that actually made it to the portal (Barcello) is totally understandable.

We have, actually, had an overwhelmingly positive reaction by recruits and transfers wanting to come here.

The instability (short of medical craziness) is directly borne of the last two years. It seems we are stabilizing with a roster of kids who want to be here. I can't think of better indicators that the world is not going to end for Arizona Basketball than the exuberance of high level players to sign on for this coming year and beyond.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:05 pm

Alieberman wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Far be it from me to second guess the oracles that inhabit these here threads, but given the fucking day-to-day roster instability this summer, I'm a little surprised how it's presumed Williams is done *before* a formal announcement has come out.
We have a full roster. There is only 1 reason why Miller is looking for a mediocre back up guard to play this season.

Why beat around the bush, then? Is Williams just delaying the inevitable? Seems weird that they wouldn't just address this directly. Publicly thank Williams for his contribution to the program and university, express compassion for his misfortune, and wish him the best going forward whether at UofA or wherever he continues school.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:07 pm

LOL

Beachcat wants the program to address something. LOL

Grow up dude. There is zero chance they will say shit, especially in regards to the health of a player.

STFU and stop the drama.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:12 pm

Olsondogg wrote:LOL

Beachcat wants the program to address something. LOL

Grow up dude. There is zero chance they will say shit, especially in regards to the health of a player.

STFU and stop the drama.

They'll only say something *after* Williams has, which is why I asked if he's delaying the inevitable.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:14 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:LOL

Beachcat wants the program to address something. LOL

Grow up dude. There is zero chance they will say shit, especially in regards to the health of a player.

STFU and stop the drama.
They'll only say something *after* Williams has, which is why I asked if he's delaying the inevitable.

You ask a question that nobody can provide the answer to. Again, STFU

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:22 pm

Olsondogg wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:LOL

Beachcat wants the program to address something. LOL

Grow up dude. There is zero chance they will say shit, especially in regards to the health of a player.

STFU and stop the drama.
They'll only say something *after* Williams has, which is why I asked if he's delaying the inevitable.
You ask a question that nobody can provide the answer to. Again, STFU

A week ago, Doutrive was officially done at AZ, and there was no reason to expect that to change. Today, Williams is presumed done at AZ, but nothing official. Things that seem finalized and effectively settled sometimes aren't.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:24 pm

Who's the 3rd scorer on this team if Williams is out? Nnaji? Hazzard? Lee isn't necessarily going to light it up offensively, Jeter is reliable and consistent but he isn't a main scoring option. I'm hoping all the positive things I've seen from Nnaji come to fruition, hopefully he can actually shoot from the perimeter and not just win a 3pt shooting contest in an all Star game.

The defense is now weaker (at the perimeter without Williams and 5'10 Hazzard (most likely imo) as the starting two guard and Mannion isn't necessarily. We're lucky Green is here. strong defensively. Adding to my defensive worries is the extended 3pt line, which means hedges and switches will have to extend even further than before, are we going to see Jeter 25ft+ away from the basket - and killed like we saw w/ Ristic/Ayton if our guards can't recover?

We should win with defense, rebounding & outside shooting.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:25 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
Alieberman wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Far be it from me to second guess the oracles that inhabit these here threads, but given the fucking day-to-day roster instability this summer, I'm a little surprised how it's presumed Williams is done *before* a formal announcement has come out.
We have a full roster. There is only 1 reason why Miller is looking for a mediocre back up guard to play this season.
Why beat around the bush, then? Is Williams just delaying the inevitable? Seems weird that they wouldn't just address this directly. Publicly thank Williams for his contribution to the program and university, express compassion for his misfortune, and wish him the best going forward whether at UofA or wherever he continues school.

BWill has every right to keep this quiet until he knows exactly what he has to do. I'm guessing he really, really wants to be able to play basketball. His body may have other plans. He deserves as much time as possible to come to a good conclusion about his future (on and off the court)

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:28 pm

Olsondogg wrote:LOL

Beachcat wants the program to address something. LOL

Grow up dude. There is zero chance they will say shit, especially in regards to the health of a player.

STFU and stop the drama.

Yeah especially with HIPAA involved and all...

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