Sumlin’s future - poll question

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:57 pm

scumdevils86 wrote:I really don't know about the coordinator route. I want a proven, young, winning head coach. If that means they only use us as their next step up for 3 or 4 years that's fine by me.

Same here, Stoops did not work well at all. Follow the basketball model.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:03 pm

Any chance they could get Dino Babers out of Syracuse?

Someone on radio today mentioned a Packers assistant. Nutcracker or Nantucket or something like that.

Seems like it will be hard to pay 3 HC at one time.

How much do they still owe RR?

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:06 pm

Merkin wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:I really don't know about the coordinator route. I want a proven, young, winning head coach. If that means they only use us as their next step up for 3 or 4 years that's fine by me.
Same here, Stoops did not work well at all. Follow the basketball model.

How much of Stoops’ issues were related to his coaching ability and how much was due to his marital problems getting in the way of coaching?

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:36 pm

Postmaster wrote:
Merkin wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:I really don't know about the coordinator route. I want a proven, young, winning head coach. If that means they only use us as their next step up for 3 or 4 years that's fine by me.
Same here, Stoops did not work well at all. Follow the basketball model.
How much of Stoops’ issues were related to his coaching ability and how much was due to his marital problems getting in the way of coaching?

And how much to his psychotic nature? {hence my caveat about not hiring psychotic assistant coaches}

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:20 pm

But was his psychotic nature caused by his marital problems or the other way around?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:53 pm

I liked how Stoops looked like he’d literally stab a ref if only he had a knife. That kind of rage is rare.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:42 am

Drunken fool too, just like RichRod and Sumlin.

But as we all remember him:

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:36 am

Where is Tedford these days?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:38 am

Postmaster wrote:Where is Tedford these days?

Fresno St and doing well.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:26 am

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:45 am

I can't imagine it's riding on this single game.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:00 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:You guys ready for a new coach?

I figured this kind of told us what was to come. When has he ever been wrong?

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:05 pm

azgreg wrote:I can't imagine it's riding on this single game.

Obviously not. But you don't really fire a second year coach right BEFORE the last game of the season. I keep coming back to this thread hoping his departure after the ASsU game has been announced.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:18 pm

azgreg wrote:I can't imagine it's riding on this single game.

I'd guess it's riding on the booster's pocketbooks.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:12 pm

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:25 pm

I guess it’s no surprise that when we sent out feelers that interest in our job was very little. We are who we are. Sounds like even an up and comer coordinator doesn’t want this job right now.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:40 pm

Scheer believes Sumlin will be back.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:16 pm

Sounds like there isnt enough money to fire him

Good thing all those fans did not show up this year and sent a message

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:22 pm

PHXCATS wrote:Sounds like there isnt enough money to fire him

Good thing all those fans did not show up this year and sent a message

WTF are you talking about?

The message was loud and clear. The President knows it, the AD knows it and certainly Sumlin knows it. They would fire him if they could.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:38 pm

PHXCATS wrote:Sounds like there isnt enough money to fire him

Good thing all those fans did not show up this year and sent a message

Oh the money was there, Dave asked around and got it, he's just such a limp dick pussy that he decided not to use it because he has zero confidence in himself to identify a good coach who would take the job.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:09 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:Sounds like there isnt enough money to fire him

Good thing all those fans did not show up this year and sent a message
Oh the money was there, Dave asked around and got it, he's just such a limp dick pussy that he decided not to use it because he has zero confidence in himself to identify a good coach who would take the job.

Why would next season be better than this season for that?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:15 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:Sounds like there isnt enough money to fire him

Good thing all those fans did not show up this year and sent a message
Oh the money was there, Dave asked around and got it, he's just such a limp dick pussy that he decided not to use it because he has zero confidence in himself to identify a good coach who would take the job.
Why would next season be better than this season for that?

For one they would have $5M less to pay Sumlin, and more for the new coach and time to put out feelers.

Although I imagine the UA would get more coaches turning down the position than UCLA did for their basketball program.

UA football is a career killer, and has been right after Larry Smith left for USC.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:23 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:Sounds like there isnt enough money to fire him

Good thing all those fans did not show up this year and sent a message
Oh the money was there, Dave asked around and got it, he's just such a limp dick pussy that he decided not to use it because he has zero confidence in himself to identify a good coach who would take the job.
Why would next season be better than this season for that?

Who knows? Imagine you're a booster and Dave Heeke calls you and says he needs money to move on from a train wreck and hire a better coach and then shortly after Heeke tells you that he doesn't have confidence he can hire a good coach. Wtf do you tell Dave after that?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:30 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:Sounds like there isnt enough money to fire him

Good thing all those fans did not show up this year and sent a message
Oh the money was there, Dave asked around and got it, he's just such a limp dick pussy that he decided not to use it because he has zero confidence in himself to identify a good coach who would take the job.
Why would next season be better than this season for that?

Who knows? Imagine you're a booster and Dave Heeke calls you and says he needs money to move on from a train wreck and hire a better coach and then shortly after Heeke tells you that he doesn't have confidence he can hire a good coach. Wtf do you tell Dave after that?

Fuck off and quit you pussy as bitch is what I would say

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:24 pm

Merkin wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:Sounds like there isnt enough money to fire him

Good thing all those fans did not show up this year and sent a message
Oh the money was there, Dave asked around and got it, he's just such a limp dick pussy that he decided not to use it because he has zero confidence in himself to identify a good coach who would take the job.
Why would next season be better than this season for that?
For one they would have $5M less to pay Sumlin, and more for the new coach and time to put out feelers.

Although I imagine the UA would get more coaches turning down the position than UCLA did for their basketball program.

UA football is a career killer, and has been right after Larry Smith left for USC.

$2.5 M less. Buyout next year is $7.5 M.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:06 pm

One more year then too bury our program. On the hook for a whole new defensive staff for two years. Stupid is as stupid does. No one will buy tickets

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:17 am

Jody should be the AD, https://foxsports910.iheart.com/feature ... in-sumlin/" target="_blank

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:33 am

azgreg wrote:$2.5 M less. Buyout next year is $7.5 M.

Don't know if this is accurate or not, so take it FWIW.

https://herosports.com/college-football ... alary-ahah" target="_blank

2018: $10 million
2019: $10 million
2020: $5 million
2021: $3 million
2022: $1 million

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:13 am

Merkin wrote:
azgreg wrote:$2.5 M less. Buyout next year is $7.5 M.
Don't know if this is accurate or not, so take it FWIW.

https://herosports.com/college-football ... alary-ahah" target="_blank

2018: $10 million
2019: $10 million
2020: $5 million
2021: $3 million
2022: $1 million

I heard it from Scheer and on this site: https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildca ... c92.html#1" target="_blank

Buyout: Arizona must pay Sumlin $10 million if he is fired without cause in the first two years of his deal. The buyout figures drop to $7.5 million in 2020 and $5 million in 2021. Similarly, Sumlin must pay the UA $10 million if he leaves in the first two years of his deal, with those figures dropping to $5 million in Year 3, $3 million in Year 4 and $1 million in Year 5.

I wonder if they post it over at Arizona's official site.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:18 am

How about "No" Jody?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/c ... 157241002/" target="_blank

If it were to happen, however, Oehler brought up a name that could be a possibility: Former ASU coach Todd Graham.

"There are a few options, like this is a name I think every Arizona Wildcats fan is going to dry heave when I mention, but honestly I would be curious to know whether you would make this decision," Oehler said. "You know who is available, who has got a career record of 95-61 and a familiarity with not only the state, but the conference. Todd Graham would probably work for free. Todd Graham would probably sign up for $1.5 million a year and I think at this point Kevin Sumlin has orchestrated this program to fall behind Oregon State. That is not a place that he is likely to come back from."

This guy is touting Joe Salave’a as a possible candidate, but his #1 choice is Ken Niumatalolo

https://fansided.com/2019/11/03/kevin-s ... ts-rumors/" target="_blank

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:15 pm

Choo has been too fucking quiet.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:09 pm

azgreg wrote:Choo has been too fucking quiet.

Just assume the worst and you’ll be safe.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:17 pm

It sounds like we're stuck with him another year because Heeke is a giant pussy.

Good thing we just gave him a raise and extension.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:50 pm

ABOR's executive summary of Sumlin's contract.

https://public.azregents.edu/News%20Cli ... em%208.pdf" target="_blank

The contract may be terminated by UA without cause. In that event, UA will pay
Sumlin liquidated damages for each year remaining in the contract, calculated as
the lesser of: (a) the full amount of the base salary payable through the
remainder of the contract term, or (b) $10,000,000 if terminated in Year 1;
$10,000,000 if terminated in Year 2; $7,500,000 if terminated in Year 3;
$5,000,000 if terminated in Year 4; $3,500,000 if terminated in Year 5. In no
event will payment exceed the full amount of base salary that Sumlin would have
received if he were still employed at UA through the end of the contract. These
payment amounts will be offset by any and all amounts Sumlin receives if he is
employed at any other university or professional major league team in a coaching
capacity, or in any television capacity, at any time during the original contract
term.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:12 pm

Yeah I don't see how he gets fired. We're stuck with him for another year. But next year, anything less than 7 wins, preferably including a win over ASU, should mean firing. Also, any kind of bad start of the season should lead to a mid season firing. Like if we start 2-4, he should be out.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:28 pm

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:06 pm

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:25 pm

If we lose tonight (most probable) and he isn't fired, it will take UA (NOT UArizona) possibly a decade to recover just the loyal fans who bailed this year. And longer to lure back all of the "bad fans".

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:26 pm

Somebody just give us the ultimatum so we know if it’s ok not to be too upset if we get curb stomped.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:30 pm

BBQ wildcat wrote:If we lose tonight (most probable) and he isn't fired, it will take UA (NOT UArizona) possibly a decade to recover just the loyal fans who bailed this year. And longer to lure back all of the "bad fans".

I totally agree with this. This has been a disaster and it is not working. Not as bad as Mac but look how long that took to dig out of just to be competitive

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:45 pm

That football scoop story doesn’t make sense unless Heeke is extremely bad at his job. If weeks ago Heeke knew there wasn’t any good choices and wouldn’t make a move, he should have voiced his support for sumlin right away. Now, If Sumlin isn’t fired, the players, recruits, potential DC, and fans know next year is a waste with Sumlin being fired mid season.

Also, why would Heeke get a raise if all he did was find that there are no choices?

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:48 pm

OSUCat wrote:That football scoop story doesn’t make sense unless Heeke is extremely bad at his job. If weeks ago Heeke knew there wasn’t any good choices and wouldn’t make a move, he should have voiced his support for sumlin right away. Now, If Sumlin isn’t fired, the players, recruits, potential DC, and fans know next year is a waste with Sumlin being fired mid season.

Also, why would Heeke get a raise if all he did was find that there are no choices?

He's already proven that over and over again

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:55 pm

Heeke did come from Central Michigan University. Don't recall hearing about CMU in any aspect.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:19 pm

Please fire

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:24 pm

Well... ... is he fired yet? No need to waste anymore time.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:29 pm

MountainCat wrote:Well... ... is he fired yet? No need to waste anymore time.

He's not going to be fired folks. No need to engage in fantasies.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:07 am

Enjoy the next year

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:12 am

I can’t wait for the Sumlin plan version 2.0....not really....

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:16 am

prh wrote:
OSUCat wrote:That football scoop story doesn’t make sense unless Heeke is extremely bad at his job. If weeks ago Heeke knew there wasn’t any good choices and wouldn’t make a move, he should have voiced his support for sumlin right away. Now, If Sumlin isn’t fired, the players, recruits, potential DC, and fans know next year is a waste with Sumlin being fired mid season.

Also, why would Heeke get a raise if all he did was find that there are no choices?
He's already proven that over and over again

Your right.....

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:23 am

I think we can all think of quite a few reasons...

Fuck off Heeke. If you don't have the balls to be the AD at a big boy university, then get the fuck out of town.

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