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Beachcat97 wrote:Dylan Smith is not good at basketball.
*Most of the time.
On those rare occasions when his shot is falling, he's so good that it might even propel us to a win in the tourney.

Otherwise, it's a choice between a shooting guard who might make shots while playing guaranteed blowout-worthy bad defense (Hazzard), or a guard who shows poor judgment on both sides of the ball even though he's potentially a good defender and scorer (Baker).

Combined with a point guard who isn't quite serviceable against strong D1 competition (Mannion), this is why Arizona is so unlikely to win two games in a tourney where success rides on the strength of one's backcourt.

But if it's one of those crazy nights where either the effort on team defense allows productive minutes for Hazzard, or Smith is Anaheim good, Arizona could win one in March.
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NickyBCats wrote:Before I ask I’m well aware the team does dinner at Mr Ans and stays at La Paloma night before Saturday games to avoid distractions. But there’s a few guys on other board claiming the team was out drinking all night long at a party Friday night. One guy said he had picture proof but Scheer locked the thread. Anyone hear any truth to that?
I’m not saying this is true.
But this did pop into my head as to why the whole team was sooooo bad at basketball against UCLA.
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Postmaster wrote:
NickyBCats wrote:Before I ask I’m well aware the team does dinner at Mr Ans and stays at La Paloma night before Saturday games to avoid distractions. But there’s a few guys on other board claiming the team was out drinking all night long at a party Friday night. One guy said he had picture proof but Scheer locked the thread. Anyone hear any truth to that?
I’m not saying this is true.
But this did pop into my head as to why the whole team was sooooo bad at basketball against UCLA.
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Postmaster wrote:
NickyBCats wrote:Before I ask I’m well aware the team does dinner at Mr Ans and stays at La Paloma night before Saturday games to avoid distractions. But there’s a few guys on other board claiming the team was out drinking all night long at a party Friday night. One guy said he had picture proof but Scheer locked the thread. Anyone hear any truth to that?
I’m not saying this is true.
But this did pop into my head as to why the whole team was sooooo bad at basketball against UCLA.
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Postmaster wrote:
NickyBCats wrote:Before I ask I’m well aware the team does dinner at Mr Ans and stays at La Paloma night before Saturday games to avoid distractions. But there’s a few guys on other board claiming the team was out drinking all night long at a party Friday night. One guy said he had picture proof but Scheer locked the thread. Anyone hear any truth to that?
I’m not saying this is true.
But this did pop into my head as to why the whole team was sooooo bad at basketball against UCLA.
The team has very limited experience at playing team basketball (as opposed to AAU basketbawful), especially with one another...

... When they encounter adversity, their tendency is to revert to what they know, what their whole basketball life has been - they’re young; they’ve seldom played against well-coached & organized defenses....

If there is a discipline problem, as suggested above, that would only contribute to such a breakdown.
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Postmaster wrote:
NickyBCats wrote:Before I ask I’m well aware the team does dinner at Mr Ans and stays at La Paloma night before Saturday games to avoid distractions. But there’s a few guys on other board claiming the team was out drinking all night long at a party Friday night. One guy said he had picture proof but Scheer locked the thread. Anyone hear any truth to that?
I’m not saying this is true.
But this did pop into my head as to why the whole team was sooooo bad at basketball against UCLA.
One night Iverson had all kinds of unsavory people in his room at the Biltmore while he drank way too much Night Train. The next night he had only a slightly less than average outing in a respectable Sixers loss to the Suns. Sounds like Arizona’s kids need more practice. Also, Hassan knew enough to drink right before the game, not go in dry and heavy from the night before.
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During the off-season, the nightmare scenario was that Dylan Smith would play major minutes. (Yes, this post is about to present some really damning evidence of Smith's struggles. If you're tired of the Smith bashing, I'm sorry. I think he's probably a great teammate and he represents the program well. It's not personal. But he just doesn't belong.)

With the expected arrival of Nico Mannion and Josh Green -- the prospect of having a dynamic backcourt of Brandon Williams and Mannion together was mouth watering. If Williams were healthy -- the prospects for Mannion learning on the go were bright. The loss of Williams for the entire season seems to have been forgotten. And then there's Devonaire Doutrive. Regardless of his issues with the coaching staff and buying in to the program -- his flirtation with transferring and then coming back when Williams was lost due to injury seemed like the silver lining. Doutrive showed flashes that he would eventually be a fan favorite over his four year career. Well, that flamed out with a suspension and then dismissal from the program. Which leaves us, unfortunately, with Dylan Smith.

The focus of this team has been the three freshman and why the hell aren't they carrying Arizona to a conference title and a deep tourney run. And this is totally unfair. Call it another excuse. Or a curse. Or whatever. Blame Miller or don't blame him. But that's the situation. If Arizona had Williams or Doutrive, this would be a completely different team at this point in the season. Nico Mannion wouldn't have to be shouldering so much. Williams could be and would be able to shoulder taking some tough, late game shots. Making some big defensive plays. Doutrive would be getting a key offensive rebound or finishing off a pass.

Instead, Dylan Smith is the subject of our ire because he's the guy out on the floor. He's the guy that nobody wants to see play. But play he does because the one thing he does halfway decent is play better defense than Max Hazzard of Jamarl Baker. But Smith is killing everyone else. The worse he plays on offense, the more other players press to pick up the slack. We're asking freshmen to carry a 5th year senior. If Smith were a steady contributor, it might not be so bad. But the bigger the game, the tighter the score, the worse he plays.

His stats the last four games:

4-27 FG, 1-18 3pt. FG. That's horrendous.

His Pac 12 conference stats:
32% FG
28% 3pt. FG
58% FT


This is no way to be an elite team. It's the worst kind of Catch-22 for the coaching staff. You'd love to have Smith's defense, Hazzard's three point shooting and Baker's play-making and passing all in one player. But you can't have all three at once. So Miller subs all three and hopes for the best.

This is Arizona's Achille's Heel. The problem isn't going away. Sure, Mannion, Zeke and Green are all going to have better games the rest of the way. But this is similar to the lack of a Pac 12 caliber point guard in '18. Eventually, it's going to be exposed. Not all opponents will have the personnel to follow UCLA's blue-print. But defending Arizona becomes much easier when you only have to worry about 4 players beating you.
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Great post zonagrad. I’m at the point where I believe Baker should be taking nearly all of Smiths minutes. I don’t care if he is worse on defense, Smith completely kills the offense when he is out there.
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zonagrad wrote:During the off-season, the nightmare scenario was that Dylan Smith would play major minutes. (Yes, this post is about to present some really damning evidence of Smith's struggles. If you're tired of the Smith bashing, I'm sorry. I think he's probably a great teammate and he represents the program well. It's not personal. But he just doesn't belong.)

With the expected arrival of Nico Mannion and Josh Green -- the prospect of having a dynamic backcourt of Brandon Williams and Mannion together was mouth watering. If Williams were healthy -- the prospects for Mannion learning on the go were bright. The loss of Williams for the entire season seems to have been forgotten. And then there's Devonaire Doutrive. Regardless of his issues with the coaching staff and buying in to the program -- his flirtation with transferring and then coming back when Williams was lost due to injury seemed like the silver lining. Doutrive showed flashes that he would eventually be a fan favorite over his four year career. Well, that flamed out with a suspension and then dismissal from the program. Which leaves us, unfortunately, with Dylan Smith.

The focus of this team has been the three freshman and why the hell aren't they carrying Arizona to a conference title and a deep tourney run. And this is totally unfair. Call it another excuse. Or a curse. Or whatever. Blame Miller or don't blame him. But that's the situation. If Arizona had Williams or Doutrive, this would be a completely different team at this point in the season. Nico Mannion wouldn't have to be shouldering so much. Williams could be and would be able to shoulder taking some tough, late game shots. Making some big defensive plays. Doutrive would be getting a key offensive rebound or finishing off a pass.

Instead, Dylan Smith is the subject of our ire because he's the guy out on the floor. He's the guy that nobody wants to see play. But play he does because the one thing he does halfway decent is play better defense than Max Hazzard of Jamarl Baker. But Smith is killing everyone else. The worse he plays on offense, the more other players press to pick up the slack. We're asking freshmen to carry a 5th year senior. If Smith were a steady contributor, it might not be so bad. But the bigger the game, the tighter the score, the worse he plays.

His stats the last four games:

4-27 FG, 1-18 3pt. FG. That's horrendous.

His Pac 12 conference stats:
32% FG
28% 3pt. FG
58% FT


This is no way to be an elite team. It's the worst kind of Catch-22 for the coaching staff. You'd love to have Smith's defense, Hazzard's three point shooting and Baker's play-making and passing all in one player. But you can't have all three at once. So Miller subs all three and hopes for the best.

This is Arizona's Achille's Heel. The problem isn't going away. Sure, Mannion, Zeke and Green are all going to have better games the rest of the way. But this is similar to the lack of a Pac 12 caliber point guard in '18. Eventually, it's going to be exposed. Not all opponents will have the personnel to follow UCLA's blue-print. But defending Arizona becomes much easier when you only have to worry about 4 players beating you.
This x 1000

Miller can’t afford to lose Smith on the defensive end. That’s his only saving grace. You can’t replace Smiths defense with Hazzard (5’10” and is stopping opponents from passing him as well as a 1987 ford escort in a nascar race), or Baker (listed are 6’4”, but about as defensively consistent as My toddler’s mood). They’re offensive improvement over Smith is not making up for the lack of production on the other end.

Williams Would have solved this. Doutrive is a maybe if we follow the pre season rumblings of him buying in defensively. but, you can’t live in what-if land. Williams is not playing this year. Doutrive is a selfish little asshole, who’s parents coddled him and made him think he was the greatest player ever. We could use Brandon’s overall skills and Doutrive’s length, rebounding, and athleticism. But those aren’t delicacies we are afforded.

This team needs to get their heads out of their asses and play hard. If this team played with heart/effort the sky’s the limit. I’m still naively holding my breath. I have faith in CSM. I know he will eventually bust down that final four wall. I’m rooting for him to do it here. But I understand the frustration and pressure building. If he doesn’t get out of the first weekend he will likely be on the hot seat after all the hype this team had. Gotta do something this year or next.
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Smith has been terrible offensively but it really is amazing how people bring him up after every loss. I mean did anyone play well against UCLA? I would say no, so why are we singling out a role player? If we need freaking Dylan Smith to play well to beat a shitty UCLA team at home then we have more issues than I thought.
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DrWildcat wrote:Smith has been terrible offensively but it really is amazing how people bring him up after every loss. I mean did anyone play well against UCLA? I would say no, so why are we singling out a role player? If we need freaking Dylan Smith to play well to beat a shitty UCLA team at home then we have more issues than I thought.
He is the coldest shooter on a team of cold shooters. Why go 4 on 5 when you have the ball?

Like ZG posted:

His stats the last four games:

4-27 FG, 1-18 3pt. FG. That's horrendous.
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Merkin wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:Smith has been terrible offensively but it really is amazing how people bring him up after every loss. I mean did anyone play well against UCLA? I would say no, so why are we singling out a role player? If we need freaking Dylan Smith to play well to beat a shitty UCLA team at home then we have more issues than I thought.
He is the coldest shooter on a team of cold shooters. Why go 4 on 5 when you have the ball?

Like ZG posted:

His stats the last four games:

4-27 FG, 1-18 3pt. FG. That's horrendous.
So why not put Max Hazzard out there? What is the harm to try to shake things up?
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Merkin wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:Smith has been terrible offensively but it really is amazing how people bring him up after every loss. I mean did anyone play well against UCLA? I would say no, so why are we singling out a role player? If we need freaking Dylan Smith to play well to beat a shitty UCLA team at home then we have more issues than I thought.
He is the coldest shooter on a team of cold shooters. Why go 4 on 5 when you have the ball?

Like ZG posted:

His stats the last four games:

4-27 FG, 1-18 3pt. FG. That's horrendous.
I acknowledged that he has been terrible offensively. That's not my point. The whole team was absolutely terrible against UCLA and yet here comes the typical and predictable Smith hate. I just don't get the reasoning behind complaining about how our role player isn't a good enough role player. I'm more disappointed that collectively our star players are just not good enough.
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DrWildcat wrote:
Merkin wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:Smith has been terrible offensively but it really is amazing how people bring him up after every loss. I mean did anyone play well against UCLA? I would say no, so why are we singling out a role player? If we need freaking Dylan Smith to play well to beat a shitty UCLA team at home then we have more issues than I thought.
He is the coldest shooter on a team of cold shooters. Why go 4 on 5 when you have the ball?

Like ZG posted:

His stats the last four games:

4-27 FG, 1-18 3pt. FG. That's horrendous.
I acknowledged that he has been terrible offensively. That's not my point. The whole team was absolutely terrible against UCLA and yet here comes the typical and predictable Smith hate. I just don't get the reasoning behind complaining about how our role player isn't a good enough role player. I'm more disappointed that collectively our star players are just not good enough.
Our star players are freshmen who need to develop, yet by the time they do they'll be riding benches in the Association, because they're not staying here. Starting Smith is an issue of itself as you should not have to start a "role player" at Arizona. He's a dude that should always be coming off the bench and yet here we are. We are not in a healthy position roster wise and to be honest even if the FBI stuff never happened that would still be the case.
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ChooChooCat wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:
Merkin wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:Smith has been terrible offensively but it really is amazing how people bring him up after every loss. I mean did anyone play well against UCLA? I would say no, so why are we singling out a role player? If we need freaking Dylan Smith to play well to beat a shitty UCLA team at home then we have more issues than I thought.
He is the coldest shooter on a team of cold shooters. Why go 4 on 5 when you have the ball?

Like ZG posted:

His stats the last four games:

4-27 FG, 1-18 3pt. FG. That's horrendous.
I acknowledged that he has been terrible offensively. That's not my point. The whole team was absolutely terrible against UCLA and yet here comes the typical and predictable Smith hate. I just don't get the reasoning behind complaining about how our role player isn't a good enough role player. I'm more disappointed that collectively our star players are just not good enough.
Our star players are freshmen who need to develop, yet by the time they do they'll be riding benches in the Association, because they're not staying here. Starting Smith is an issue of itself as you should not have to start a "role player" at Arizona. He's a dude that should always be coming off the bench and yet here we are. We are not in a healthy position roster wise and to be honest even if the FBI stuff never happened that would still be the case.
Do you really think all 3 leave? I feel like I hear that all the time and usually at least one returns. If I had to pick one I would think Josh is probably falling the most and at the highest probability of returning. None of these guys are ready, but apparently that doesn’t matter anymore.
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ChooChooCat wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:
Merkin wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:Smith has been terrible offensively but it really is amazing how people bring him up after every loss. I mean did anyone play well against UCLA? I would say no, so why are we singling out a role player? If we need freaking Dylan Smith to play well to beat a shitty UCLA team at home then we have more issues than I thought.
He is the coldest shooter on a team of cold shooters. Why go 4 on 5 when you have the ball?

Like ZG posted:

His stats the last four games:

4-27 FG, 1-18 3pt. FG. That's horrendous.
I acknowledged that he has been terrible offensively. That's not my point. The whole team was absolutely terrible against UCLA and yet here comes the typical and predictable Smith hate. I just don't get the reasoning behind complaining about how our role player isn't a good enough role player. I'm more disappointed that collectively our star players are just not good enough.
Our star players are freshmen who need to develop, yet by the time they do they'll be riding benches in the Association, because they're not staying here. Starting Smith is an issue of itself as you should not have to start a "role player" at Arizona. He's a dude that should always be coming off the bench and yet here we are. We are not in a healthy position roster wise and to be honest even if the FBI stuff never happened that would still be the case.
I get that completely, but that's not Smith's fault. Yet, people just love to pile it on with him.
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Alieberman wrote:
Merkin wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:Smith has been terrible offensively but it really is amazing how people bring him up after every loss. I mean did anyone play well against UCLA? I would say no, so why are we singling out a role player? If we need freaking Dylan Smith to play well to beat a shitty UCLA team at home then we have more issues than I thought.
He is the coldest shooter on a team of cold shooters. Why go 4 on 5 when you have the ball?

Like ZG posted:

His stats the last four games:

4-27 FG, 1-18 3pt. FG. That's horrendous.
So why not put Max Hazzard out there? What is the harm to try to shake things up?
Because guards would destroy Nico and Max on the defensive end.
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SabinoDrifter wrote:
Alieberman wrote:
Merkin wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:Smith has been terrible offensively but it really is amazing how people bring him up after every loss. I mean did anyone play well against UCLA? I would say no, so why are we singling out a role player? If we need freaking Dylan Smith to play well to beat a shitty UCLA team at home then we have more issues than I thought.
He is the coldest shooter on a team of cold shooters. Why go 4 on 5 when you have the ball?

Like ZG posted:

His stats the last four games:

4-27 FG, 1-18 3pt. FG. That's horrendous.
So why not put Max Hazzard out there? What is the harm to try to shake things up?
Because guards would destroy Nico and Max on the defensive end.
How vulnerable is our defense???

CSM deployed a zone when ucla was penetrating at will, and weak-side help was non-existent....

CSM DEPLOYED A ZONE!!!
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Dosia wrote:Do you really think all 3 leave? I feel like I hear that all the time and usually at least one returns. If I had to pick one I would think Josh is probably falling the most and at the highest probability of returning. None of these guys are ready, but apparently that doesn’t matter anymore.
I’d say the chances of all three leaving are roughly - and this is just an approximation - 100%. Yeah, roughly 100%.
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pc in NM wrote:
SabinoDrifter wrote:
Alieberman wrote:
Merkin wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:Smith has been terrible offensively but it really is amazing how people bring him up after every loss. I mean did anyone play well against UCLA? I would say no, so why are we singling out a role player? If we need freaking Dylan Smith to play well to beat a shitty UCLA team at home then we have more issues than I thought.
He is the coldest shooter on a team of cold shooters. Why go 4 on 5 when you have the ball?

Like ZG posted:

His stats the last four games:

4-27 FG, 1-18 3pt. FG. That's horrendous.
So why not put Max Hazzard out there? What is the harm to try to shake things up?
Because guards would destroy Nico and Max on the defensive end.
How vulnerable is our defense???

CSM deployed a zone when ucla was penetrating at will, and weak-side help was non-existent....

CSM DEPLOYED A ZONE!!!
Miller actually deployed the zone in the 1st half when the sky wasn't falling.

In fact, he had Arizona in a zone after a UCLA timeout where Arizona went on a run and led 21-17.
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Beachcat97 wrote:
Dosia wrote:Do you really think all 3 leave? I feel like I hear that all the time and usually at least one returns. If I had to pick one I would think Josh is probably falling the most and at the highest probability of returning. None of these guys are ready, but apparently that doesn’t matter anymore.
I’d say the chances of all three leaving are roughly - and this is just an approximation - 100%. Yeah, roughly 100%.
Well after you said this I feel great about at least one staying now
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Dosia wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:
Merkin wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:Smith has been terrible offensively but it really is amazing how people bring him up after every loss. I mean did anyone play well against UCLA? I would say no, so why are we singling out a role player? If we need freaking Dylan Smith to play well to beat a shitty UCLA team at home then we have more issues than I thought.
He is the coldest shooter on a team of cold shooters. Why go 4 on 5 when you have the ball?

Like ZG posted:

His stats the last four games:

4-27 FG, 1-18 3pt. FG. That's horrendous.
I acknowledged that he has been terrible offensively. That's not my point. The whole team was absolutely terrible against UCLA and yet here comes the typical and predictable Smith hate. I just don't get the reasoning behind complaining about how our role player isn't a good enough role player. I'm more disappointed that collectively our star players are just not good enough.
Our star players are freshmen who need to develop, yet by the time they do they'll be riding benches in the Association, because they're not staying here. Starting Smith is an issue of itself as you should not have to start a "role player" at Arizona. He's a dude that should always be coming off the bench and yet here we are. We are not in a healthy position roster wise and to be honest even if the FBI stuff never happened that would still be the case.
Do you really think all 3 leave? I feel like I hear that all the time and usually at least one returns. If I had to pick one I would think Josh is probably falling the most and at the highest probability of returning. None of these guys are ready, but apparently that doesn’t matter anymore.
Yes. It's a ridiculously weak draft class.
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Beachcat97 wrote:
Dosia wrote:Do you really think all 3 leave? I feel like I hear that all the time and usually at least one returns. If I had to pick one I would think Josh is probably falling the most and at the highest probability of returning. None of these guys are ready, but apparently that doesn’t matter anymore.
I’d say the chances of all three leaving are roughly - and this is just an approximation - 100%. Yeah, roughly 100%.
Same here, have no inside information but have not even heard the slightest hint about any one of them staying.

I hate trying to memorize the names and numbers of all the new players every year. Next year, 5 new starters!
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Merkin wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Dosia wrote:Do you really think all 3 leave? I feel like I hear that all the time and usually at least one returns. If I had to pick one I would think Josh is probably falling the most and at the highest probability of returning. None of these guys are ready, but apparently that doesn’t matter anymore.
I’d say the chances of all three leaving are roughly - and this is just an approximation - 100%. Yeah, roughly 100%.
Same here, have no inside information but have not even heard the slightest hint about any one of them staying.

I hate trying to memorize the names and numbers of all the new players every year. Next year, 5 new starters!
It’s a Catch 22, isn’t it, Merk? We want the Nicos and Aytons, but we also want some degree of continuity. All I can say is that whatever we’re doing...isn’t working. Meanwhile other programs who get little to no 5-star talent (Villanova, Baylor, Gonzaga, Dayton) are thriving. How do we be more like them?
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pc in NM wrote:
SabinoDrifter wrote:
Alieberman wrote:
Merkin wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:Smith has been terrible offensively but it really is amazing how people bring him up after every loss. I mean did anyone play well against UCLA? I would say no, so why are we singling out a role player? If we need freaking Dylan Smith to play well to beat a shitty UCLA team at home then we have more issues than I thought.
He is the coldest shooter on a team of cold shooters. Why go 4 on 5 when you have the ball?

Like ZG posted:

His stats the last four games:

4-27 FG, 1-18 3pt. FG. That's horrendous.
So why not put Max Hazzard out there? What is the harm to try to shake things up?
Because guards would destroy Nico and Max on the defensive end.
How vulnerable is our defense???

CSM deployed a zone when ucla was penetrating at will, and weak-side help was non-existent....

CSM DEPLOYED A ZONE!!!
I get it - I think it was somewhat strategic in nature given the flow of the game, but with a full year of tape, scouting reports and inter-conference, familiarity, you damn well know teams will attack when they see Nico with anyone other than Smith at the guard position.
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zonagrad wrote:
The focus of this team has been the three freshman and why the hell aren't they carrying Arizona to a conference title and a deep tourney run. And this is totally unfair. Call it another excuse. Or a curse. Or whatever. Blame Miller or don't blame him. But that's the situation. If Arizona had Williams or Doutrive, this would be a completely different team at this point in the season. Nico Mannion wouldn't have to be shouldering so much. Williams could be and would be able to shoulder taking some tough, late game shots. Making some big defensive plays. Doutrive would be getting a key offensive rebound or finishing off a pass.
Yes I do tend to blame the coach who recruits guys with injury and attitude histories and then seems to be surprised when they get injured again or have shitty attitudes playing for an inflexible coach.
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Longhorned wrote:Also, Hassan knew enough to drink right before the game, not go in dry and heavy from the night before.
:lol: That has to be true. I saw him at a couple parties before games.

Does the team have a curfew before a game day?
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Almost all of the teams are Power 5 and interestingly a pretty good percentage are Pac12
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Was that the year we beat Cleveland St?
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Postmaster wrote:Was that the year we beat Cleveland St?
Yes.

First round we beat Utah.
Second round we beat Cleveland St.

Then we got throttled in the Sweet 16 by Louisville.
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Word on the street is Baker is replacing Smith in the starting lineup.
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ProfessorFate wrote:Word on the street is Baker is replacing Smith in the starting lineup.

Thank you sweet baby Jesus.
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That's what happens when you miss 17 3's in a row.

That has to be at least an UA record, is it? What a record setting year for Arizona!

Worst shooting game ever at McKale.
Worst come from behind loss for Arizona, ever, and tied for worst in PAC ever.
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Merkin wrote:That's what happens when you miss 17 3's in a row.

That has to be at least an UA record, is it? What a record setting year for Arizona!

Worst shooting game ever at McKale.
Worst come from behind loss for Arizona, ever, and tied for worst in PAC ever.
You realize that if you blow a big lead (totally sucks and not okay) you have to have played well for part of the game to have gained that big lead.

The issue is consistently not talent or ability
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PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:That's what happens when you miss 17 3's in a row.

That has to be at least an UA record, is it? What a record setting year for Arizona!

Worst shooting game ever at McKale.
Worst come from behind loss for Arizona, ever, and tied for worst in PAC ever.
You realize that if you blow a big lead (totally sucks and not okay) you have to have played well for part of the game to have gained that big lead.

The issue is consistently not talent or ability
No one says we don't have talent... like no one has ever said that.

Sounds like a coaching issue?
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Alieberman wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:That's what happens when you miss 17 3's in a row.

That has to be at least an UA record, is it? What a record setting year for Arizona!

Worst shooting game ever at McKale.
Worst come from behind loss for Arizona, ever, and tied for worst in PAC ever.
You realize that if you blow a big lead (totally sucks and not okay) you have to have played well for part of the game to have gained that big lead.

The issue is consistently not talent or ability
No one says we don't have talent... like no one has ever said that.

Sounds like a coaching issue?
:lol:
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PHXCATS wrote:You realize that if you blow a big lead (totally sucks and not okay) you have to have played well for part of the game to have gained that big lead.
You realize that in order to get chlamydia (totally sucks and not okay) you have to have had sex...
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Lando05 wrote:
Alieberman wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:That's what happens when you miss 17 3's in a row.

That has to be at least an UA record, is it? What a record setting year for Arizona!

Worst shooting game ever at McKale.
Worst come from behind loss for Arizona, ever, and tied for worst in PAC ever.
You realize that if you blow a big lead (totally sucks and not okay) you have to have played well for part of the game to have gained that big lead.

The issue is consistently not talent or ability
No one says we don't have talent... like no one has ever said that.

Sounds like a coaching issue?
:lol:
I believe someone mentioned seven years ago some of the coaching issues
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ProfessorFate wrote:Word on the street is Baker is replacing Smith in the starting lineup.
HOT DAMN!! Now.....if only I could remember who it was I had to fuck finally to get that done? Where do I send flowers?
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Merkin wrote:Staf was given a pretty bad rap, but he was the #2 PG in his class after Chris Paul, and never lived up to the hype.

He also led the team in unforced errors, such as stepping on the baseline when not covered. He used to look at Lute with puppy dog eyes after that to see if he was getting pulled or not.

However, Staf sure deserved his reputation during the Illini meltdown, along with the next season's NCAA game, forgot the team when he again passed to Hassan Adams end of game who in both games was not the designated shooter in the play Lute called.

But he did average 6.9 APG as a senior, which I don't think any UA PG has topped since.
Nico is prob slightly better than Staf as a frosh, but ..... Staf had a really good senior year. Nico won’t be here that long lol.
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california game thread is up
It's long past time to bring this back to the court, let's do it with a small update:

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Feels like two wins this week would have a trivial effect on our seed.
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Beachcat97 wrote:Feels like two wins this week would have a trivial effect on our seed.
We need these road wins to get a top-6 seed in my opinion.
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Beachcat97 wrote:Feels like two wins this week would have a trivial effect on our seed.
I am gonna try to be nice to you

These games have huge ramifications on the PAC12 race. If the Cats can be the regular season winner or second that would be a huge benefit in seeding for both tournaments. Only 8 more games and they are all massive now given the craziness in college basketball this year and the PAC12 records
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Every frickin' game is important. Cal. Oregon. Stanford. UCLA. It doesn't matter. Every win is a big win.
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zonagrad wrote:Every frickin' game is important. Cal. Oregon. Stanford. UCLA. It doesn't matter. Every win is a big win.
Yup. This team has already blown it enough. They are still in it, but the margin for error is razor thin now.
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What I meant is that I'm not sure whether wins over Cal and Stanford *improve* our seed or just keep us at about a six. Winning two games this week may just be treading water. Losing one or both means feeling our arms and legs getting heavy.
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