Why can't we consistently fill AZ Stadium?

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Tue May 19, 2020 11:42 pm

I thought sumlin was a super recruiter. Honestly, Arizona football is about as irrelevant to me as what the CEO of a trillion dollar company ate for breakfast today. No one cares and it hurts to think about.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed May 20, 2020 6:29 am

Very good example along with RichRod why you don't hire fired coaches. They get a nice buyout from their former schools and they realize that it's a lot easier to not work that hard and still get paid.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed May 20, 2020 8:23 am

Merkin wrote:Very good example along with RichRod why you don't hire fired coaches. They get a nice buyout from their former schools and they realize that it's a lot easier to not work that hard and still get paid.

What evidence do you have that Sumlin is not trying to win besides how you think he looks on the sidelines and bullshit rumors about maybe having a drinking problem?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed May 20, 2020 9:12 am

PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:Very good example along with RichRod why you don't hire fired coaches. They get a nice buyout from their former schools and they realize that it's a lot easier to not work that hard and still get paid.
What evidence do you have that Sumlin is not trying to win besides how you think he looks on the sidelines and bullshit rumors about maybe having a drinking problem?

Besides our horrific recruiting and the equally shitty play on the field, you make a great point Machina.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Wed May 20, 2020 9:46 am

Chicat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:Very good example along with RichRod why you don't hire fired coaches. They get a nice buyout from their former schools and they realize that it's a lot easier to not work that hard and still get paid.
What evidence do you have that Sumlin is not trying to win besides how you think he looks on the sidelines and bullshit rumors about maybe having a drinking problem?
Besides our horrific recruiting and the equally shitty play on the field, you make a great point Machina.

Also the drinking rumors have persisted as long as he's been a coach.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed May 20, 2020 10:00 am

RichRod was a lush too, that's why he hired his drinking buddy Canales

Sumlin's drinking goes way before Arizona.

https://boxden.com/showthread.php?t=2274632" target="_blank

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed May 20, 2020 10:02 am

Chicat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:Very good example along with RichRod why you don't hire fired coaches. They get a nice buyout from their former schools and they realize that it's a lot easier to not work that hard and still get paid.
What evidence do you have that Sumlin is not trying to win besides how you think he looks on the sidelines and bullshit rumors about maybe having a drinking problem?
Besides our horrific recruiting and the equally shitty play on the field, you make a great point Machina.

You can convict in a court of law on just circumstantial evidence.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed May 20, 2020 10:04 am

Merkin wrote:
Chicat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:Very good example along with RichRod why you don't hire fired coaches. They get a nice buyout from their former schools and they realize that it's a lot easier to not work that hard and still get paid.
What evidence do you have that Sumlin is not trying to win besides how you think he looks on the sidelines and bullshit rumors about maybe having a drinking problem?
Besides our horrific recruiting and the equally shitty play on the field, you make a great point Machina.

You can convict in a court of law on just circumstantial evidence.

There is no evidence at all that he is not trying to win. None. Not getting results is not the same as not trying. I dont think people realize how hard it is to recruit for football at Arizona

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed May 20, 2020 10:05 am

And I think we need to fire Sumlin by the way unless he gets to 7 wins this year (if we can financially). I just think the he is isnt trying to win is total bullshit

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed May 20, 2020 10:05 am

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt Machina.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed May 20, 2020 10:11 am

"Not trying to win" and "Not giving a fuck one way or the other" look an awful lot alike in the results column.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed May 20, 2020 10:23 am

UAEebs86 wrote:Denial ain't just a river in Egypt Machina.

So what evidence is there besides the look on the sidelines?

Funny how everyone complains about Rich Rod and Stoops being too fired up on the sideline and now er are complaining and making bullshit up about Sumlin not being fired up enough

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Wed May 20, 2020 10:30 am

I want the Navy Coach. He jumps all over the place...

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed May 20, 2020 10:40 am

PHXCATS wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:Denial ain't just a river in Egypt Machina.
So what evidence is there besides the look on the sidelines?

Funny how everyone complains about Rich Rod and Stoops being too fired up on the sideline and now er are complaining and making bullshit up about Sumlin not being fired up enough

You are the one who brought sideline demeanor into this conversation. We were talking about recruiting, but please don’t let that stop you.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Wed May 20, 2020 10:46 am

Hey I’m m sure Sumlin wants to win. I’m not so sure he wants to work hard In his off hours though.... which seem very high compared to other head coaches

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed May 20, 2020 10:56 am

MountainCat wrote:I want the Navy Coach. He jumps all over the place...

Ha was 11-2 in 2019 and finished 20th, all because he wanted to run the 'tripple' option. And Tate still goes undrafted.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed May 20, 2020 11:04 am

PHXCATS wrote:And I think we need to fire Sumlin by the way unless he gets to 7 wins this year (if we can financially). I just think the he is isnt trying to win is total bullshit

We shall see...

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed May 20, 2020 11:36 am

CalStateTempe wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:And I think we need to fire Sumlin by the way unless he gets to 7 wins this year (if we can financially). I just think the he is isnt trying to win is total bullshit
We shall see...

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Wed May 20, 2020 11:47 am

If Sumlin is trying his absolute best to recruit and win, then he should be fired for total incompetence.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed May 20, 2020 11:53 am

I saw Sumlin at Rincon Market and I asked him if he was trying to win. He said no.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed May 20, 2020 11:55 am

BBQ wildcat wrote:If Sumlin is trying his absolute best to recruit and win, then he should be fired for total incompetence.

There is are so many disadvantages Arizona has when it comes to recruiting, don't think we all realize that with how Arizona Basketball has recruited. But I agree his performance has not been good and he should be fired if he does not perform at a high level this year.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed May 20, 2020 11:57 am

azgreg wrote:I saw Sumlin at Rincon Market and I asked him if he was trying to win. He said no.

Did he then blame the losing on the fans?

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed May 20, 2020 11:58 am

Chicat wrote:
azgreg wrote:I saw Sumlin at Rincon Market and I asked him if he was trying to win. He said no.
Did he then blame the losing on the fans?

I bet he said we weren't Bearing Down hard enough.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed May 20, 2020 12:00 pm

Chicat wrote:
azgreg wrote:I saw Sumlin at Rincon Market and I asked him if he was trying to win. He said no.
Did he then blame the losing on the fans?

He picked up a growler full of Captain Morgans and left in a stolen Uber.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed May 20, 2020 12:06 pm

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Wed May 20, 2020 12:10 pm

azgreg wrote:I saw Sumlin at Rincon Market and I asked him if he was trying to win. He said no.

I actually saw him at Vero Amore last summer. He was at the bar enjoying happy hour

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed May 20, 2020 12:26 pm

Alieberman wrote:
azgreg wrote:I saw Sumlin at Rincon Market and I asked him if he was trying to win. He said no.
I actually saw him at Vero Amore last summer. He was at the bar enjoying happy hour

I feel shocked.

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Thu May 21, 2020 9:00 am

The big challenge with large gatherings is bringing together people who have a different understanding of what is safe behavior and what is risky behavior. Also a different understanding of the rules. I mean, people can't figure out how to wear a mask and stay 6 ft away. Mix alchohol into that and you are gonna get disagreements and that may even come to blows. I wouldn't put myself and much less my kids in that kind of environment. We are barely getting together with super close friends who we know have been in quarentine since the beginning. I MIGHT make it to a restaurant that is super clean and super respectful of this situation some time this month. There is no way i am going to hang with 30k people who have been drinking all day and are screaming or high fiving.

Just my two cents....

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu May 21, 2020 9:10 am

UALoco wrote:The big challenge with large gatherings is bringing together people who have a different understanding of what is safe behavior and what is risky behavior. Also a different understanding of the rules. I mean, people can't figure out how to wear a mask and stay 6 ft away. Mix alchohol into that and you are gonna get disagreements and that may even come to blows. I wouldn't put myself and much less my kids in that kind of environment. We are barely getting together with super close friends who we know have been in quarentine since the beginning. I MIGHT make it to a restaurant that is super clean and super respectful of this situation some time this month. There is no way i am going to hang with 30k people who have been drinking all day and are screaming or high fiving.

Just my two cents....

I would not expect tailgating at this time but that could change.

There is also no chance UA will get 30k this year. Would have barely got that with our pathetic fanbase this year before COVID19. But 18k maybe.

You realize having get together with close friends and going to a grocery store is not much different than going to a game under the rules I mentioned right?

You honestly think there will be fights because someone wont high five or is seated too close? If so just freaking move. Every group will have more than enough room

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu May 21, 2020 9:34 am

So only 1/5 capacity to start out

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu May 21, 2020 10:12 am

84Cat wrote:So only 1/5 capacity to start out

So how do they decide which season ticket holders still get tickets?

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu May 21, 2020 10:17 am

The article states there is some kind of point system in place to determine who will get tickets

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu May 21, 2020 10:32 am

Only Essential Fans will be allowed in.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu May 21, 2020 11:01 am

My concern is they want my money but have not published what their plans are. I know there is still a lot of unknowns but if I give them my cash will I get a timely refund or just a credit for down the road?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue May 26, 2020 5:14 pm

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue May 26, 2020 5:23 pm

How do you fall when you are already last?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue May 26, 2020 5:34 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:How do you fall when you are already last?

They have him at 53rd. FIFTY-THIRD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Tue May 26, 2020 5:41 pm

Yeah I was gonna say...how can you put him lower when he's already at the bottom?

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue May 26, 2020 5:42 pm

azgreg wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:How do you fall when you are already last?
They have him at 53rd. FIFTY-THIRD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

53rd in the PAC-12 maybe

prh · Post by **prh** » Tue May 26, 2020 5:45 pm

I thought 53rd was way too high, until I read and discovered it's out of the 64 P5 schools. Seems reasonable lol

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue May 26, 2020 5:47 pm

The only two coaches that are below Sumlin in the Pac-12 are new Washington coach Jimmy Lake, who comes in at 56, and new Colorado coach Karl Dorrell, who comes in at 64. Utah's Kyle Whittingham is ranked as the best coach in the conference at 11.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue May 26, 2020 5:48 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
azgreg wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:How do you fall when you are already last?
They have him at 53rd. FIFTY-THIRD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

53rd in the PAC-12 maybe

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:13 pm

2nd worse facilities in the PAC

https://zonazealots.com/2020/09/16/ariz ... 4hQsnfUgCg" target="_blank

and yes, Wazzu obviously is last.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:41 pm

That honestly doesn't make sense since our facilities are some of the newer ones in the league. From what I've seen of them they're pretty top of the line.

prh · Post by **prh** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:32 pm

The article that Zealots references is a pretty shitty article. It has a short description of each school's facilities, and is basically a recap of how much was spent on recent renovations.

It may be accurate, but there is literally no evidence provided in the source article to support any kind of rankings.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:16 pm

Sounds like almost any ranking article on the internet the last 10 years

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:42 am

Arizona leads nation in ‘nail-biter’ losses over past 30 years

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/football/ ... c2GrDOwrac" target="_blank

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:08 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:That honestly doesn't make sense since our facilities are some of the newer ones in the league. From what I've seen of them they're pretty top of the line.

Eh. Our football operations stuff is relatively standard for P5. The IPF is much needed, but again, fairly standard for P5.

Balanced against that, they include the stadium and Arizona Stadium is obviously one of the less renovated Pac stadiums. Oregon State, Stanford and UW have had essentially ground up builds in the last 20 years. ASU completely redid SDS, SC had a major renovation for the Coliseum, Oregon always pours $ into Autzen and even Colorado did some really nice renovations.

Even football operations, WSU, Utah, Stanford, OSU, UCLA, Colorado, ASU, UW, SC and Oregon all have football operations buildings more recently done than ours or done at the same time for more $. We're not in the stone age like we were, but 11th isn't unfair, particularly given how much the stadium still needs.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:57 am

I just rewatched the 2010 game against Iowa. When we got those four sacks in a row on the Hawkeyes last drive the camera was shaking it was so loud.

I really hope we get back to having crowds and enthusiasm like that again . . . and no, it’s not lost on me that the second half of that season was the beginning of the slide we currently find ourselves trying to recover from.

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:03 am

There was a bunch of Iowa fans there, too.

I made the trip down from Wyo for that game. It was a classic.

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