2020 Season Thread

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:19 am

Chicat wrote:California high school football will be moved to the spring.

New Mexico also

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:43 am

Is this under the east side of the stadium? I lived in that dorm my freshman year (Sierra AKA East Stadium).

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:53 am

UAEebs86 wrote:Is this under the east side of the stadium? I lived in that dorm my freshman year (Sierra AKA East Stadium).

Yea it's the zona zoo area, been like that for 2-3 years now. Sierra dorms haven't been around in ages. I started at the UA 16 years ago and the Sierra dorms were long gone by then.

ProfessorFate · Post by **ProfessorFate** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:14 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:Is this under the east side of the stadium? I lived in that dorm my freshman year (Sierra AKA East Stadium).

I'm a Sierra Hall veteran, 83-84.

Carcassdragger · Post by **Carcassdragger** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:27 pm

Chicat wrote:California high school football will be moved to the spring.

Incorrect. As of now its been moved to the winter.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:31 pm

ProfessorFate wrote:
I'm a Sierra Hall veteran, 83-84.

Just missed you. I was there 82-83 school year. Cheapest dorm with A/C back then. Parties at halftime with re-entry allowed!

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:37 pm

Carcassdragger wrote:
Chicat wrote:California high school football will be moved to the spring.
Incorrect. As of now its been moved to the winter.

Yes, you're right. I should have said spring semester.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:13 pm

Carcassdragger wrote:Fields transferring? Arguably our most productive linebacker for the last 3 seasons. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON WITH THIS PROGRAM? ?????

Whats going on?? Recruiting has gradually gone down the toilet since Stoops departure. Coaching may be a secondary issue but the primary problem is a lack of talent.

It went downhill fast during the RRod era and continued into the Sumlin regime.

I'm not sure if this is a result of assistants who can't recruit, a head coach who can't recruit, or simply laziness across the coaching staff. The recent commitment from a 2 star kid (OL) that we flipped from NIU is a good example. What the hell are we thinking?? Its 6 months until signing day and we can't pursue better prospects??? I'm sure the NIU commit would jump ship in December if he were our only option. I hate to say it but the school built on a garbage dump in Tempe is doing a much better job at program building. They don't seem to be having the issue of competing with MWC/WAC teams for recruits.......and that puzzles me. its not as if Tempe isn't in a desert and isn't hot in September. We should be able to at least recruit slightly below asu's standards. It almost appears that Sumlin is just signing whomever is willing to commit just to get recruiting out of the way. Until we start beating out (at least) mid level PAC12 teams instead of the Wyomings/San Jose States/UTEPs of the world for recruits the situation is not going to improve.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:24 pm

That's why I keep saying we should never hire head coaches who have been fired, although admittedly I was excited for both RichRod and Sumlin. Even excited for Mackovic since he was COY in 3 different conferences and knew offense, unlike Tomey.

Both RichRod and Sumlin learned that you don't need to work very hard if you get a fat paycheck for getting fired. $10M to Sumlin from aTm, and $6M to RichRod.

Just sit on your past laurels, esp. with one star player. For example, Pat White for RichRod at WVU, and Manziel for Sumlin at aTm.

Sumlin and RichRod are also big drinkers, and why RichRod wouldn't fire Casteel, his drinking buddy, even though Casteel wouldn't recruit.

Work really really hard, and make bank. Or just go through the motions and make bank.

Just hire young hungry coaches from smaller programs. Look how well Larry Smith (Tulane) and Dick Tomey (Hawaii) did, at least Tomey in the early years.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:26 pm

dmjcat wrote:
Carcassdragger wrote:Fields transferring? Arguably our most productive linebacker for the last 3 seasons. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON WITH THIS PROGRAM? ?????
Whats going on?? Recruiting has gradually gone down the toilet since Stoops departure. Coaching may be a secondary issue but the primary problem is a lack of talent.

It went downhill fast during the RRod era and continued into the Sumlin regime.

I'm not sure if this is a result of assistants who can't recruit, a head coach who can't recruit, or simply laziness across the coaching staff. The recent commitment from a 2 star kid (OL) that we flipped from NIU is a good example. What the hell are we thinking?? Its 6 months until signing day and we can't pursue better prospects??? I'm sure the NIU commit would jump ship in December if he were our only option. I hate to say it but the school built on a garbage dump in Tempe is doing a much better job at program building. They don't seem to be having the issue of competing with MWC/WAC teams for recruits.......and that puzzles me. its not as if Tempe isn't in a desert and isn't hot in September. We should be able to at least recruit slightly below asu's standards. It almost appears that Sumlin is just signing whomever is willing to commit just to get recruiting out of the way. Until we start beating out (at least) mid level PAC12 teams instead of the Wyomings/San Jose States/UTEPs of the world for recruits the situation is not going to improve.

DMJ, I don’t disagree with your take on the talent and coaching/recruiting but that kid we stole from NIU is actually a really good prospect. Dude is a legit 6’6” and length. He will be a multi year starter and if he would have had camps this year he would have been at least a 3 star and had multiple B1G offers.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:29 pm

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:40 pm

Big Sky commissioner really upset about the PAC dropping non-conference games. Just a huge chunk of change for smaller conferences.

Getting almost a mil just to come and get beat down by 2 PAC teams. Not sure how these smaller programs can survive.

https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/2020/0 ... 2JzibTqGK8" target="_blank

“Portland State had non-conference football games scheduled at Arizona (Sept. 5) and at Oregon State (Sept. 19). Those two now-cancelled games would have provided $950,000 in guaranteed compensation to the PSU athletic department budget.

“Wistrcill said he was particularly frustrated that the Pac-12 and others canceled the non-conference games without offering a chance to meet Pac-12 COVID-19 testing standards.

“’I think a lot has been made for the different testing procedures for the virus and how teams are going to prepare for that,’ he said. ‘I think it was disappointing that we weren’t even given the opportunity to meet the standards they set (for testing). Set the money aside, those games are good for everybody.’”

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:57 pm

IMO, we should have to buy out of those games or play 10 this year and 14 next. I really don’t understand how we don’t play 11 and have one OOC opener against say a NAU and let Oregon play Portland St. Or ASSU plays NAU Aand we play NM ST. Like a lot of these things it just doesn’t really sound well thought out on it’s impact

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:59 pm

azcat49 wrote:IMO, we should have to buy out of those games or play 10 this year and 14 next. I really don’t understand how we don’t play 11 and have one OOC opener against say a NAU and let Oregon play Portland St. Or ASSU plays NAU Aand we play NM ST. Like a lot of these things it just doesn’t really sound well thought out on it’s impact

It is not about safety, it is about control. The Big Ten and the PAC-12 panicked and wanted to have as much control as possible of the situation.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:12 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
azcat49 wrote:IMO, we should have to buy out of those games or play 10 this year and 14 next. I really don’t understand how we don’t play 11 and have one OOC opener against say a NAU and let Oregon play Portland St. Or ASSU plays NAU Aand we play NM ST. Like a lot of these things it just doesn’t really sound well thought out on it’s impact
It is not about safety, it is about control. The Big Ten and the PAC-12 panicked and wanted to have as much control as possible of the situation.

With the huge hits in the AD budget, not having to pay PSU $475K is probably the primary reason.

Now PSU will need to cover it from their educational funding, or shut down many athletic programs.

When Stanford shuts down 11 athletic teams with a huge endowment, what is a smaller state institution supposed to do?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:15 pm

Merkin wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
azcat49 wrote:IMO, we should have to buy out of those games or play 10 this year and 14 next. I really don’t understand how we don’t play 11 and have one OOC opener against say a NAU and let Oregon play Portland St. Or ASSU plays NAU Aand we play NM ST. Like a lot of these things it just doesn’t really sound well thought out on it’s impact
It is not about safety, it is about control. The Big Ten and the PAC-12 panicked and wanted to have as much control as possible of the situation.
With the huge hits in the AD budget, not having to pay PSU $475K is probably the primary reason.

Now PSU will need to cover it from their educational funding, or shut down many athletic programs.

When Stanford shuts down 11 athletic teams with a huge endowment, what is a smaller state institution supposed to do?

Paying out Portland State for Arizona and other FCS or Power 5 schools for the other PAC-12 teams had nothing to do with the decision. 0.00%

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:27 pm

Then PSU should sue for breach of contract. They should have to be bought out. These smaller athletic programs will really be hurt by this

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:32 pm

azcat49 wrote:Then PSU should sue for breach of contract. They should have to be bought out. These smaller athletic programs will really be hurt by this

You don't think the contracts have a provision for things like a global pandemic?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:51 pm

azcat49 wrote:Then PSU should sue for breach of contract. They should have to be bought out. These smaller athletic programs will really be hurt by this

There are clauses in the contracts that should the games be cancelled due to a variety of reasons that special considerations will be made. I expect U of A will give something to Portland State but obviously not the full $450,000

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:36 pm

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:00 pm

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:40 am

Big 12 going in the opposite direction, to get some games in before the 2nd wave hits.

https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/2020/0 ... 9gbbIHsivI" target="_blank

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:04 am

Merkin wrote:Big 12 going in the opposite direction, to get some games in before the 2nd wave hits.

https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/2020/0 ... 9gbbIHsivI" target="_blank

Heard on the radio schools want to start early and then take a week off to see if anyone tests positive for the virus during the bye week.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:51 pm

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:25 am

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:30 am

Just can’t imagine a rivalry game with no fans in the stands

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:36 pm

Maybe they are planning two games with the rival? Have heard talk about that earlier to give an extra game.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:58 pm

Does this mean play them twice or just play them early rather than last?

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:08 pm

Merkin wrote:Maybe they are planning two games with the rival? Have heard talk about that earlier to give an extra game.

Oh great, we get to lose twice. Man does 2020 suck hairy balls

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:03 pm

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:16 am

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:30 am

Good news? I would be quite concerned if that was any of my kids.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:19 pm

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:21 pm

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:24 pm

We'll see.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:35 pm

If a single player dies due to Covid-19 these Universities and the NCAA will have blood on their hands.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:49 pm

Alieberman wrote:If a single player dies due to Covid-19 these Universities and the NCAA will have blood on their hands.

What if a player is struck by lightning and dies?

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:54 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:If a single player dies due to Covid-19 these Universities and the NCAA will have blood on their hands.
What if a player is struck by lightning and dies?

one is preventable?

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:54 pm

Any announcement on fans?

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:59 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:If a single player dies due to Covid-19 these Universities and the NCAA will have blood on their hands.
What if a player is struck by lightning and dies?

They stop playing when lightning is in the area.

They do this to try to avoid that from happening

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:04 pm

Alieberman wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:If a single player dies due to Covid-19 these Universities and the NCAA will have blood on their hands.
What if a player is struck by lightning and dies?
They stop playing when lightning is in the area.

They do this to try to avoid that from happening

Yes, but what if a player has his face chewed off by an escaped chimpanzee high on meth? Have you thought about THAT?

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:05 pm

Alieberman wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:If a single player dies due to Covid-19 these Universities and the NCAA will have blood on their hands.
What if a player is struck by lightning and dies?
They stop playing when lightning is in the area.

They do this to try to avoid that from happening

Yeah bad analogy Choo.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:11 pm

Chicat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:If a single player dies due to Covid-19 these Universities and the NCAA will have blood on their hands.
What if a player is struck by lightning and dies?
They stop playing when lightning is in the area.

They do this to try to avoid that from happening
Yes, but what if a player has his face chewed off by an escaped chimpanzee high on meth? Have you thought about THAT?

If a team doesn't have a designated drugged out monkey czar on their staff, they are just asking for trouble

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:20 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
Alieberman wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:If a single player dies due to Covid-19 these Universities and the NCAA will have blood on their hands.
What if a player is struck by lightning and dies?
They stop playing when lightning is in the area.

They do this to try to avoid that from happening

Yeah bad analogy Choo.

They could get struck by lightning on a non-game day though or practice. Is the university liable for that in your guys' opinions? Honestly curious. Obviously my analogy is the odds of a college aged athlete dying of COVID is less than them being struck by lightning.

If you guys want something better, how about if a player dies from the pneumonia due to catching the flu? Does that warm your cockles more? Is there blood on the hands of the admin then?

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:21 pm

man you are ignorant about this virus

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:24 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:man you are ignorant about this virus

By citing a statistic? Ok.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:26 pm

Chicat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:If a single player dies due to Covid-19 these Universities and the NCAA will have blood on their hands.
What if a player is struck by lightning and dies?
They stop playing when lightning is in the area.

They do this to try to avoid that from happening
Yes, but what if a player has his face chewed off by an escaped chimpanzee high on meth? Have you thought about THAT?

Man, those odds are equal to dying of COVID for a college aged kid? Crazy. I should be terrified of chimps. I may never leave my house again.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:30 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:If a single player dies due to Covid-19 these Universities and the NCAA will have blood on their hands.
What if a player is struck by lightning and dies?
one is preventable?

You can get struck by lightning inside a building ASU. God you're so ignorant about lightning strikes.

https://www-actionnewsjax-com.cdn.amppr ... I5GZP5I%2F" target="_blank

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:31 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
They could get struck by lightning on a non-game day though or practice. Is the university liable for that in your guys' opinions? Honestly curious. Obviously my analogy is the odds of a college aged athlete dying of COVID is less than them being struck by lightning.

I have no problem with professional leagues trying to operate. These athletes are being paid lots of money AND they can opt out.

But I'm coming at this from a student point of view. These players are students first. If Universities are all basically saying students can not congregate due to fears of health and community spread... it is completely hypocritical to allow this to happen. They know the dangers... but are putting these STUDENTS in danger (and the community) because of $$$$.

End of story.

They know the right thing to do.... and are looking the other way

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:32 pm

So Choo.... you think players should play and practice during thunderstorms? Interesting...

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