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They’re rooting for the laundry, not the person.Alieberman wrote:It seems very weird to me that the biggest college football fans seem to have the most contempt for the actual college football player.
It's literally on Congress's desk as we speak. You can argue if the NCAA had any sort of quality leadership it would already be done, but at least there's movement on that.Merkin wrote:Here is just the financial part of it. At a minimum, the NCAA has to allow NIL deals very soon.PHXCATS wrote:The players demanded letter says there is racial injustice in college sports.
I would love to read/hear what that means so that it can be fixed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb ... r-BB17swBc" target="_blank
NIL is fine..no issues with that at all.Merkin wrote:Here is just the financial part of it. At a minimum, the NCAA has to allow NIL deals very soon.PHXCATS wrote:The players demanded letter says there is racial injustice in college sports.
I would love to read/hear what that means so that it can be fixed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb ... r-BB17swBc" target="_blank
Team sports in general wouldn't be a thing.Chicat wrote:They’re rooting for the laundry, not the person.Alieberman wrote:It seems very weird to me that the biggest college football fans seem to have the most contempt for the actual college football player.
To be totally honest, if we were rooting for the person, football probably wouldn’t be a thing.
Understanding the business of college athletics and the actual value basketball and football players receive is not contempt in any wayAlieberman wrote:It seems very weird to me that the biggest college football fans seem to have the most contempt for the actual college football player.
100%ChooChooCat wrote:Team sports in general wouldn't be a thing.Chicat wrote:They’re rooting for the laundry, not the person.Alieberman wrote:It seems very weird to me that the biggest college football fans seem to have the most contempt for the actual college football player.
To be totally honest, if we were rooting for the person, football probably wouldn’t be a thing.
Wanna bet?PHXCATS wrote:Understanding the business of college athletics and the actual value basketball and football players receive is not contempt in any wayAlieberman wrote:It seems very weird to me that the biggest college football fans seem to have the most contempt for the actual college football player.
What are the terms?Alieberman wrote:Wanna bet?PHXCATS wrote:Understanding the business of college athletics and the actual value basketball and football players receive is not contempt in any wayAlieberman wrote:It seems very weird to me that the biggest college football fans seem to have the most contempt for the actual college football player.
Dude... if I have to explain the joke it's just not worth it.PHXCATS wrote:What are the terms?Alieberman wrote:Wanna bet?PHXCATS wrote:Understanding the business of college athletics and the actual value basketball and football players receive is not contempt in any wayAlieberman wrote:It seems very weird to me that the biggest college football fans seem to have the most contempt for the actual college football player.
There's the thickness...ChooChooCat wrote:Team sports in general wouldn't be a thing.Chicat wrote:They’re rooting for the laundry, not the person.Alieberman wrote:It seems very weird to me that the biggest college football fans seem to have the most contempt for the actual college football player.
To be totally honest, if we were rooting for the person, football probably wouldn’t be a thing.
Don't you body shame me you bigot.Chicat wrote:There's the thickness...ChooChooCat wrote:Team sports in general wouldn't be a thing.Chicat wrote:They’re rooting for the laundry, not the person.Alieberman wrote:It seems very weird to me that the biggest college football fans seem to have the most contempt for the actual college football player.
To be totally honest, if we were rooting for the person, football probably wouldn’t be a thing.
Chicat wrote:Thiccccc
Alieberman wrote:And that's why the season isn't going to happen. It is going to be a disaster once all of these players actually assemble together.
Quarantining for 4 weeks and a loss of 14 pounds... that's pretty much season ending if it happens to a player at the beginning of the season
I think most people don't realize we are just starting to understand the full effects of this. If I'm an elite athlete.... I am absolutely taking the year off to preserve my body.Merkin wrote:Alieberman wrote:And that's why the season isn't going to happen. It is going to be a disaster once all of these players actually assemble together.
Quarantining for 4 weeks and a loss of 14 pounds... that's pretty much season ending if it happens to a player at the beginning of the season
along with this:
So far the NBA bubble is working.ASUHATER! wrote:Basically everything besides car racing and maybe golf need to be cancelled until next spring.
From the AZ Desert Swarm Facebook group. Just unreal how little they value human lives over their entertainment. Must be Trumpsters.scumdevils86 wrote:
Hilarious. Student athletes are just property and tools according to dbags like choo and machina. And we both know who they likely vote for. Weird coincidence!
If the players are choosing to play when they can opt out without issue, how are people valuing entertainment over human life?Merkin wrote:From the AZ Desert Swarm Facebook group. Just unreal how little they value human lives over their entertainment. Must be Trumpsters.scumdevils86 wrote:
Hilarious. Student athletes are just property and tools according to dbags like choo and machina. And we both know who they likely vote for. Weird coincidence!
What does what anyone chooses to do reflective of how others already see them?PHXCATS wrote:If the players are choosing to play when they can opt out without issue, how are people valuing entertainment over human life?
Nailed it. It's pretty hilarious you and I ended our responses to him with the same very accurate line.KingG wrote:To become a division one student athlete young men and women are basically dedicating their lives at an early age to a sport they love.
The best of the best athletes get scholarships to cover their education, compete at a very high level, and some will have the opportunity to showcase their talent, potentially finding lucrative professional careers.
The system is mutually beneficial for both the university and the student athletes. For the student athletes do you really think they believe the university considers them “property” and “tools”? You don’t compete at this high of a level in athletics without absolutely loving the game. Now considering the circumstances I wouldn’t blame any of the student athletes for opting out of this season; each of us, including the students need to assess their own risk along with their families and make their own decision accordingly. But most will want to play the game they love and have sacrificed so much for, and they should have that opportunity.
Machina is pointing out a fact: UofA (all Division One for that matter) would very much like to have some form of a football season. It’s not a secret that the revenues from football make the other athletic programs possible.
But for you to consider the student athletes as automatically victims is laugh out loud hysterical. Always blaming others and the system for your own shortcomings and poor decisions. Victim culture at its finest. You honestly don’t have an original thought in your brain.
What's hilarious is trying to say that college sports are mutually beneficial and somehow equal between the schools and athletes. One does all the work and takes all the risk and sure gets a scholarship...one gets hundreds of millions of dollars. Next you'll say that CEO's and the lowest paid person at a massive company are equal.KingG wrote:To become a division one student athlete young men and women are basically dedicating their lives at an early age to a sport they love.
The best of the best athletes get scholarships to cover their education, compete at a very high level, and some will have the opportunity to showcase their talent, potentially finding lucrative professional careers.
The system is mutually beneficial for both the university and the student athletes. For the student athletes do you really think they believe the university considers them “property” and “tools”? You don’t compete at this high of a level in athletics without absolutely loving the game. Now considering the circumstances I wouldn’t blame any of the student athletes for opting out of this season; each of us, including the students need to assess their own risk along with their families and make their own decision accordingly. But most will want to play the game they love and have sacrificed so much for, and they should have that opportunity.
Machina is pointing out a fact: UofA (all Division One for that matter) would very much like to have some form of a football season. It’s not a secret that the revenues from football make the other athletic programs possible.
But for you to consider the student athletes as automatically victims is laugh out loud hysterical. Always blaming others and the system for your own shortcomings and poor decisions. Victim culture at its finest. You honestly don’t have an original thought in your brain.
Conferences and universities have exploited young people for hundreds of billions of dollars for decades. I don't have a problem with evening the score a little. "Victim culture" is a lazy, parroted talking point for out of touch and ignorant old people that don't understand the world around them and lash out at it.KingG wrote:To become a division one student athlete young men and women are basically dedicating their lives at an early age to a sport they love.
The best of the best athletes get scholarships to cover their education, compete at a very high level, and some will have the opportunity to showcase their talent, potentially finding lucrative professional careers.
The system is mutually beneficial for both the university and the student athletes. For the student athletes do you really think they believe the university considers them “property” and “tools”? You don’t compete at this high of a level in athletics without absolutely loving the game. Now considering the circumstances I wouldn’t blame any of the student athletes for opting out of this season; each of us, including the students need to assess their own risk along with their families and make their own decision accordingly. But most will want to play the game they love and have sacrificed so much for, and they should have that opportunity.
Machina is pointing out a fact: UofA (all Division One for that matter) would very much like to have some form of a football season. It’s not a secret that the revenues from football make the other athletic programs possible.
But for you to consider the student athletes as automatically victims is laugh out loud hysterical. Always blaming others and the system for your own shortcomings and poor decisions. Victim culture at its finest. You honestly don’t have an original thought in your brain.
I thought it was interesting that Nick Markakis opted out of the MLB season then opted right back in AFTER one MLB team had 20+ positives and two others also had players get COVID. It seems hardly plausible he looked at the situation and thought things were going so well that it just made sense to opt back in.ByJoveByJingle wrote:I’m sure there is no pressure at all on these guys (peer or institutional) to be “team players” and not opt out. Just like there is no pressure at all on me to teach in-person classes.
It’s funny that you say that. Why is it then that these young adults, under their own free will, decide to accept scholarships and become student athletes. Are the universities forcing them to do so? Not at all; the student athletes see the value in what they’re receiving in return. But people like you feel compelled to quickly claim “injustice”, instead of trusting the individual to make their own decision. Who’s fault is it that you probably have student loans? Lol. By the way, I’m actually a millennial, but one that doesn’t blame all the other generations for the circumstances of our generation.scumdevils86 wrote:Conferences and universities have exploited young people for hundreds of billions of dollars for decades. I don't have a problem with evening the score a little. "Victim culture" is a lazy, parroted talking point for out of touch and ignorant old people that don't understand the world around them and lash out at it.KingG wrote:To become a division one student athlete young men and women are basically dedicating their lives at an early age to a sport they love.
The best of the best athletes get scholarships to cover their education, compete at a very high level, and some will have the opportunity to showcase their talent, potentially finding lucrative professional careers.
The system is mutually beneficial for both the university and the student athletes. For the student athletes do you really think they believe the university considers them “property” and “tools”? You don’t compete at this high of a level in athletics without absolutely loving the game. Now considering the circumstances I wouldn’t blame any of the student athletes for opting out of this season; each of us, including the students need to assess their own risk along with their families and make their own decision accordingly. But most will want to play the game they love and have sacrificed so much for, and they should have that opportunity.
Machina is pointing out a fact: UofA (all Division One for that matter) would very much like to have some form of a football season. It’s not a secret that the revenues from football make the other athletic programs possible.
But for you to consider the student athletes as automatically victims is laugh out loud hysterical. Always blaming others and the system for your own shortcomings and poor decisions. Victim culture at its finest. You honestly don’t have an original thought in your brain.
How many athletes opted out of the "voluntary" workouts over the summer?Chicat wrote:I thought it was interesting that Nick Markakis opted out of the MLB season then opted right back in AFTER one MLB team had 20+ positives and two others also had players get COVID. It seems hardly plausible he looked at the situation and thought things were going so well that it just made sense to opt back in.ByJoveByJingle wrote:I’m sure there is no pressure at all on these guys (peer or institutional) to be “team players” and not opt out. Just like there is no pressure at all on me to teach in-person classes.
Peer pressure and institutional pressure are real things. Just because players CAN opt out doesn’t mean there isn’t enormous pressure for them not to. Will players who opt out be treated as if they abandoned their teams? Just because you get to keep your scholarship and eligibility doesn’t mean you won’t be a pariah.
I have but thanks for thinking about meMerkin wrote:How many athletes opted out of the "voluntary" workouts over the summer?Chicat wrote:I thought it was interesting that Nick Markakis opted out of the MLB season then opted right back in AFTER one MLB team had 20+ positives and two others also had players get COVID. It seems hardly plausible he looked at the situation and thought things were going to well that it just made sense to opt back in.ByJoveByJingle wrote:I’m sure there is no pressure at all on these guys (peer or institutional) to be “team players” and not opt out. Just like there is no pressure at all on me to teach in-person classes.
Peer pressure and institutional pressure are real things. Just because players CAN opt out doesn’t mean there isn’t enormous pressure for them not to. Will players who opt out be treated as if they abandoned their teams? Just because you get to keep your scholarship and eligibility doesn’t mean you won’t be a pariah.
I don't think Machina has ever played a team sport.
Ok I am sure you are a real Bo Jacksonscumdevils86 wrote:The cornhole or kickball league at Arcadia Tavern doesn't count
That seemingly more describes you. All of us would freely admit we're not tough guys. I'm not. We're just what is called "caring humans" and view other humans with respect and not as chattel.KingG wrote:The Internet mob, wanna-be tough guy mentality that some of you flock to is so lame. Actually it’s pathetic.
Being an internet tough guy and an actual tough guy are two completely opposite things. You absolutely fall into the former category towards anyone that remotely deviates from your viewpoint of life. It's a tired act and it's even more tired to hide behind the guise of being a "caring human" for you and your brother's tactics.ASUHATER! wrote:That seemingly more describes you. All of us would freely admit we're not tough guys. I'm not. We're just what is called "caring humans" and view other humans with respect and not as chattel.KingG wrote:The Internet mob, wanna-be tough guy mentality that some of you flock to is so lame. Actually it’s pathetic.
If calling out people being assholes and selfish dicks on the internet is being a tough guy then sure I guess.ChooChooCat wrote:Being an internet tough guy and an actual tough guy are two completely opposite things. You absolutely fall into the former category towards anyone that remotely deviates from your viewpoint of life. It's a tired act and it's even more tired to hide behind the guise of being a "caring human" for you and your brother's tactics.ASUHATER! wrote:That seemingly more describes you. All of us would freely admit we're not tough guys. I'm not. We're just what is called "caring humans" and view other humans with respect and not as chattel.KingG wrote:The Internet mob, wanna-be tough guy mentality that some of you flock to is so lame. Actually it’s pathetic.
I'd prefer to be called pretty honestly Chi. Also did you just assume our genders?Chicat wrote:You’re all very tough. And manly.
No one is advocating for anything that would constitute them as selfish dicks. They may not agree with every thing in your worldview though, which makes them the imaginary bad guy in your story Hater. As long as it makes you feel more virtuous at the end of the day though, I'm happy to be the bad guy in your story. I'm here for you. *Hugs*ASUHATER! wrote:If calling out people being assholes and selfish dicks on the internet is being a tough guy then sure I guess.ChooChooCat wrote:Being an internet tough guy and an actual tough guy are two completely opposite things. You absolutely fall into the former category towards anyone that remotely deviates from your viewpoint of life. It's a tired act and it's even more tired to hide behind the guise of being a "caring human" for you and your brother's tactics.ASUHATER! wrote:That seemingly more describes you. All of us would freely admit we're not tough guys. I'm not. We're just what is called "caring humans" and view other humans with respect and not as chattel.KingG wrote:The Internet mob, wanna-be tough guy mentality that some of you flock to is so lame. Actually it’s pathetic.
You're advocating for nothing but something that would mean you're a selfish dick. That's the problem with your worldview. And you can see that.ChooChooCat wrote:No one is advocating for anything that would constitute them as selfish dicks. They may not agree with every thing in your worldview though, which makes them the imaginary bad guy in your story Hater. As long as it makes you feel more virtuous at the end of the day though, I'm happy to be the bad guy in your story. I'm here for you. *Hugs*ASUHATER! wrote:If calling out people being assholes and selfish dicks on the internet is being a tough guy then sure I guess.ChooChooCat wrote:Being an internet tough guy and an actual tough guy are two completely opposite things. You absolutely fall into the former category towards anyone that remotely deviates from your viewpoint of life. It's a tired act and it's even more tired to hide behind the guise of being a "caring human" for you and your brother's tactics.ASUHATER! wrote:That seemingly more describes you. All of us would freely admit we're not tough guys. I'm not. We're just what is called "caring humans" and view other humans with respect and not as chattel.KingG wrote:The Internet mob, wanna-be tough guy mentality that some of you flock to is so lame. Actually it’s pathetic.
