Stanley Johnson Chemistry Thread

luteformayor2 · Post by **luteformayor2** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:00 pm

I didn't read this thread but can tell by it's length and the title that is bullshit.

Can we stop making stupid fucking threads like this.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:09 pm

luteformayor2 wrote:I didn't read this thread but can tell by it's length and the title that is bullshit.

Can we stop making stupid fucking threads like this.

Amen.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:19 pm

Just be prepared because people will dig and find something to complain about when there's nothing on the surface to focus on.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:17 pm

As soon as I saw who started this thread I knew it was all bullshit.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:22 pm

Come on, you guys! This one is obvious. I mean a guy who lead his HS team to four straight championships, while playing whichever position on the court, potentially to the detriment of his national rankings, has GOT to be a me-first ball-hogging chemistry issue, right? Next thing you know, ODogg will start posting photos of him stoned in bed.

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:43 am

NEW RULES FOR THIS FORUM

No open discussion

No opinions or thoughts that are anti-consensus

No not being a homer

No speculation, ever, without blood proof

No questioning anything, just to question it.

Nice guys, I mean girls.

az91 · Post by **az91** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 1:40 am

This thread is idiotic. The season can't start soon enough, so we can have some real discussion on here.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:36 am

Bosy Billups wrote:NEW RULES FOR THIS FORUM

No open discussion

No opinions or thoughts that are anti-consensus

No not being a homer

No speculation, ever, without blood proof

No questioning anything, just to question it.

Nice guys, I mean girls.

Spare us the Drama Queen act.

You don't want "open discussion", you want people who agree with you. I see plenty of "open discussion" in this thread, but when you get some blow back for your topic/post you suddenly take the role of victim! OH NO! I WAS JUST HAVING AN OPINION! WHY CAN'T I HAVE AN OPINION!

Nonsense.

Oh...and this?....

Bosy Billups wrote:But bottom line, as of today, there is an issue, or a potential issue, and it's probably w/ SJ.

Is junk.

as of today, _____ is true, or potentially true.

you can fill in the blanks with anything and you've got a 'true' statement.

I'm not even talking about whether there IS an issue, just the way you've chosen to phrase it is junk. Again, you don't want a discussion, you want to be right and you want people to agree with you.

gumby wrote:
Bosy Billups wrote:But bottom line, as of today, there is an issue, or a potential issue, and it's probably w/ SJ.
Actually, you haven't demonstrated this yet. But I love how you constructed that escape hatch with "potentially."

Funny isn't it.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:48 am

Bosy Billups wrote:NEW RULES FOR THIS FORUM

No open discussion

No opinions or thoughts that are anti-consensus

No not being a homer

No speculation, ever, without blood proof

No questioning anything, just to question it.

Nice guys, I mean girls.

Discuss anything you want. Just be prepared to be ridiculed if your opinion/theory is wholly without merit.

And speculation is fine, but if it's based on nothing more than the foul emanations of your own anus, then be prepared to see people tell you that your shit stinks.

Did you honestly think that you were just going to throw out this theory and everyone was going to tell you what a genius you are?

This. Thread. Is. An. Abortion. Don't get butthurt when people point that out. There's far more evidence that this thread sucks a syphilitic penis than Stanley Johnson is some kind of bad teammate.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:24 am

Bosy Billups wrote:NEW RULES FOR THIS FORUM

No open discussion

No opinions or thoughts that are anti-consensus

No not being a homer

No speculation, ever, without blood proof

No questioning anything, just to question it.

Nice guys, I mean girls.

Just so you know, when you submit this post, you sign up for Percy status.

As if it's the board's fault for being some kind of "herd" when, in fact, you're the one creating consensus by claiming something so baseless that there's no option but for everyone to agree that there's no real open discussion to be had. It isn't about "blood proof." You could argue for an unpopular opinion. Many of us do that all the time, and we disagree with one another. But you're just speculating on a circumstance without giving any reason for our consideration. If I start a thread arguing that Miller's comments about chemistry point to the unwillingness of York, Pitts, and Allen to accept their roles on this year's team, that discussion won't go anywhere, either.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:17 am

We need a thread about Mayes. Or Kreal.

luteformayor2 · Post by **luteformayor2** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 1:07 pm

Bosy Billups wrote:NEW RULES FOR THIS FORUM

No open discussion

No opinions or thoughts that are anti-consensus

No not being a homer

No speculation, ever, without blood proof

No questioning anything, just to question it.

Nice guys, I mean girls.

The new board has developed enough where we have are beginning to get Percys. YES! SUCCESS!

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 1:50 pm

What a joke.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:30 pm

The responses from some of you in this thread is making me think twice about starting a"Sean Miller may have herpes" thread

I am entitled to my opinion!!!

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:01 pm

Larry Scott has hemorrhoids.

I am entitled to my opinion!!!!

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:07 pm

Larry Scott is a hemorrhoid.

Stanley Johnson is a great teammate by all accounts.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:41 pm

I heard he just drank the last of the milk and put it back in the fridge and didn't refill the Brita pitcher. We are doomed and will flame out in the first round.

Damn you Stanley!

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:43 am

Puerco wrote:Come on, you guys! This one is obvious. I mean a guy who lead his HS team to four straight championships, while playing whichever position on the court, potentially to the detriment of his national rankings, has GOT to be a me-first ball-hogging chemistry issue, right? Next thing you know, ODogg will start posting photos of him stoned in bed.

Still strokin that hard on for me eh, Puerco?

I know there aren't chemistry issues or other issues with SJ, aside from the fact that he is a highly regarded freshman with alot of attention on him.

If you or others are looking for Josiah-ish problems, there aren't any there.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:13 am

97cats wrote:FTR -- Johnson lives with Ristic and Allen

Yeah, but Johnson is the problem, based on stuff people are hearing, which is based on ... I dunno .. free-basing.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:04 pm

Underrated and underappreciated aspect of Chemistry is, while important to structure on offense, helping to create open shots, defensive scrambling chaos, and precision passing, it's actually of much more importance to defense, it's timing, rotations, exactness and type of help, the spacing and positioning for rebounding positioning, and secondary recovery should an offensive board be given up.

Knowing Miller, his emphasis on defense, and exactly who Arizona lost defensively last year, I think it's incredibly superficial to think of Miller's stressing of chemistry as an offensive issue stemming from selfishness, and not defensive issues stemming from losing two of the top-5 defenders in the nation, unfamiliarity to new roles and positions, and developed timing and precision to defend at an elite level without fouling.

Last year spoiled us. The defense will never come that easily again.

Playing structured defense as a unit of 8 rotation players is difficult. Add to this the turnover, the evolution of roles, and Miller's emphasis on contesting without reckless abandon or fouls, and you have my interpretation of Millers early chemistry emphasis.

Defense

Not offense.

But that's just my opinion.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:24 am

Olsondogg wrote:
Puerco wrote:Come on, you guys! This one is obvious. I mean a guy who lead his HS team to four straight championships, while playing whichever position on the court, potentially to the detriment of his national rankings, has GOT to be a me-first ball-hogging chemistry issue, right? Next thing you know, ODogg will start posting photos of him stoned in bed.
Still strokin that hard on for me eh, Puerco?

I know there aren't chemistry issues or other issues with SJ, aside from the fact that he is a highly regarded freshman with alot of attention on him.

If you or others are looking for Josiah-ish problems, there aren't any there.

Sarcasm, ODogg. Miss me, don't you?

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:47 am

Nope. But me being referenced by you in several posts over different threads shows you do.

I am so honored.

elriop20 · Post by **elriop20** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:11 am

At the R&B game it felt like SJ was out of sync with his teammates. They didn't seem to pass much to him and vice versa. You can just tell when a team is happy and playing together and I def got the SJ against the world vibe. Good news is everyone else look to be working together besides parker.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:04 am

Olsondogg wrote:Nope. But me being referenced by you in several posts over different threads shows you do.

I am so honored.

Good. My mission is complete then.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:14 am

elriop20 wrote:At the R&B game it felt like SJ was out of sync with his teammates. They didn't seem to pass much to him and vice versa. You can just tell when a team is happy and playing together and I def got the SJ against the world vibe. Good news is everyone else look to be working together besides parker.

Miller agrees with you, and what he said about SJ after the game (from above):

"What we're trying to teach him is all the intricacies of college defense and how to play with other good players and utilize our offense to create good opportunities," Miller said. "If you watch us 10 days from now or three weeks from now, I would hope you'd see him using our offense to be more efficient and be a better defender. And he'll do that every day."

But Johnson is just 18, and has been "the man" his whole life on the court. He'll adjust.

Bear Down Vegas · Post by **Bear Down Vegas** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:29 pm

JMarkJohns wrote:Underrated and underappreciated aspect of Chemistry is, while important to structure on offense, helping to create open shots, defensive scrambling chaos, and precision passing, it's actually of much more importance to defense, it's timing, rotations, exactness and type of help, the spacing and positioning for rebounding positioning, and secondary recovery should an offensive board be given up.

Knowing Miller, his emphasis on defense, and exactly who Arizona lost defensively last year, I think it's incredibly superficial to think of Miller's stressing of chemistry as an offensive issue stemming from selfishness, and not defensive issues stemming from losing two of the top-5 defenders in the nation, unfamiliarity to new roles and positions, and developed timing and precision to defend at an elite level without fouling.

Last year spoiled us. The defense will never come that easily again.

Playing structured defense as a unit of 8 rotation players is difficult. Add to this the turnover, the evolution of roles, and Miller's emphasis on contesting without reckless abandon or fouls, and you have my interpretation of Millers early chemistry emphasis.

Defense

Not offense.

But that's just my opinion.

Thank you very much for this JMJ. I didn't read into it the way some have but even if there is a hint of the reference there - this makes much more sense. It's too early to say it any other way. In my very uneducated but not so humble opinion.

RichardCranium · Post by **RichardCranium** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:28 pm

As a freshman, Johnson won't be taking Organic Chemistry, that is a Sophomore subject. Organic Chem is the one that turned me from a Chem/Physics major to Engineering. If he stays around for his sophomore year (yeah, right!) he will have proven that he is ready for Organic Chemistry.

Freshman Physical Chemistry is pretty straightforward if you can remember the consequences of spin and charge; I understand he is already intimately familiar with the weights so picking up the valences should be easy. He's gonna excite the fans and put the whole team into a higher energy orbit.

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:59 pm

From a source based on early practices:

Stanley Johnson: It’s going to take the first part of the season for him to find his groove and be the stud we’re all expecting. Don’t expect that player out of the gate. His size and strength is obvious and formidable. He can go anywhere he wants on the floor and nobody is going to keep him from that spot. He still needs to realize that this team has a ton of offensive weapons and he doesn’t need to be the primary scorer all the time. He is a great passer, but doesn’t do it very much. On the occasions that he does, it works out great, especially when he’s throwing an alley-oop to Rondae. He is capable of knocking most shots down, including the 3-ball, but needs to learn to take them within the flow of the offense.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:18 pm

A freshman will need time to become accustomed to working with other high level players and knowing his role on the team?

That is simply shocking...

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:20 pm

That is a source?

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:49 pm

the team is sick of playing against and beating the crap out of each other -- when it's someone else and:

McConnell
Johnson
Jefferson
Ashley
Tarczewski

are playing together, Arizona and Johnson will be HUGE.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:53 pm

I just hope we don't lose the secret scrimmage though...it was disastrous for us last year.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:24 pm

Chicat wrote:A freshman will need time to become accustomed to working with other high level players and knowing his role on the team?

That is simply shocking...

Yeah, it's a wonder Miller keeps bringing them in. Just asking for trouble.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:38 pm

Lay off on Miller. He's just not as focused on freshman as we all were last year.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:46 pm

I googled: Sean Miller freshman chemistry aaron gordon rondae hollis-jefferson

and got this, don't get the reference.

Jwsisliving · Post by **Jwsisliving** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:10 pm

Merkin wrote:Just reading between the lines from Miller's quotes on SJ.

More like reading into it way too much.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:40 pm

Question: "Rondae, what's your scouting report on Stanley Johnson?"
RHJ: "My scouting report? He's one of the best of the best"
Question: "How do you guard him?"
RHJ: "You can't."

Daryl Zero · Post by **Daryl Zero** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:36 pm

Olsondogg wrote:Question: "Rondae, what's your scouting report on Stanley Johnson?"
RHJ: "My scouting report? He's one of the best of the best"
Question: "How do you guard him?"
RHJ: "You can't."

RHJ is certainly confirming how selfish SJ is, he won't let people guard him.

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:19 pm

Daryl Zero wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Question: "Rondae, what's your scouting report on Stanley Johnson?"
RHJ: "My scouting report? He's one of the best of the best"
Question: "How do you guard him?"
RHJ: "You can't."
RHJ is certainly confirming how selfish SJ is, he won't let people guard him.

Haha, this was a real LOL.

Okay, I'm convinced the issue isn't with him, it's with the bench players. Probably the guards, is my hunch.

Fix? Let Pitts Red-Shirt

Sincerely,

The Chemist

qwertyus · Post by **qwertyus** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:53 am

Daryl Zero wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Question: "Rondae, what's your scouting report on Stanley Johnson?"
RHJ: "My scouting report? He's one of the best of the best"
Question: "How do you guard him?"
RHJ: "You can't."
RHJ is certainly confirming how selfish SJ is, he won't let people guard him.

Haha!

I'm just waiting till November 14th. We'll beat Mount Saint Marys by 30, and we'll all have a good time arguing about how it should have been 50 if we were any good. Can't wait.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:28 am

luteformayor2 wrote:I didn't read this thread but can tell by it's length and the title that is bullshit.

Can we stop making stupid fucking threads like this.

Clicked on page 2 to catch up on recent history.

Great post! Don't need to read anymore.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:12 am

I know Stanley Johnson;
So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies. Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.
But trust me.... You don't.
I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about.
This is how bad info gets passed around.
If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do.
Cos some fans believe anything they hear.

elriop20 · Post by **elriop20** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:26 pm

Clearly this is the biggest problem. We have all the talent in the world, but clearly with SJ in chemistry disappears.

UAGreg · Post by **UAGreg** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:50 pm

So...

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:50 pm

He still is getting passed the ball. Let's see how long that lasts.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:53 pm

I really hoped jack a three would end with Lyons. Don't let that name get stuck to you Stanley...

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:12 pm

Merkin wrote:He still is getting passed the ball. Let's see how long that lasts.

i did notice a few times in the 2nd half where stanley was wide open on the wing, arms in the air, clap clap, yo i'm open, etc. and no one dished to him. not worth reading too much into at this point, but... yeah, let's see how long that lasts, too.

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:17 pm

He needs to earn his stripes before the chemistry is solidified.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:17 pm

R-E-L-A-X

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:19 pm

We are too good, too deep, and have too many options for Stanley to fall into a chuck'em trap. He'll find that if he does what he does well on this team, he will get tons of opportunities. He is our best pure late-in-shot-clock-need-an-iso player already, and will only get better. Lyons was Lyons because we had to have Lyons on the court. Plus, despite this bizarro thread, I have never heard complaints about Stanley Johnson being a head case. Strong willed, confident, used to being the man...sure. But he will conform to the needs of this team, and within that conformity, he will learn how this system will actually give him fantastic, efficient opportunities. If he keeps seeing the cutter, then becoming that cutter the next possession, with the passing ability of BAsh and TJ...he and Rondae are going to have numerous one on one opportunities at the basket.

Stanley will get his. And he will learn he can't just make it happen as he wants like in high school, so he will come to the fold. He isn't a bad kid, or a selfish kid. He's just a star with an eye on the league. Thing is, we have a whole team of those, and they learn. This team was already coming around and feeding off the energy of the baseline screen layups and steal-to-dunks. Playing correctly within this system means winning, and winning is a lot of fun

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