Let's Talk '22

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:04 am

Arizona extended an offer to 6-9 power forward Sadraque Nganga of Hillcrest Academy.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:50 pm

Geez, I'm old.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:52 am

Another Parker Jackson-Cartwright??? Hard pass. What is this fascination with midget point guards that Miller has??

https://247sports.com/player/adante-holiman-46099972/

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:22 pm

It’s been awhile since AZ was in a group of schools of that caliber.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:25 pm

No top recruit is going to seriously consider Arizona without knowing who the coach will be.

BeardownZonaZona · Post by **BeardownZonaZona** » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:43 am

Keep seeing that we're reaching out to transfers on the market. I know at the moment someone's gotta go, we get one of these transfers two gotta go. I saw you all were say Baker might be gone who might be the other to leave to make room?

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:49 am

BeardownZonaZona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:43 am Keep seeing that we're reaching out to transfers on the market. I know at the moment someone's gotta go, we get one of these transfers two gotta go. I saw you all were say Baker might be gone who might be the other to leave to make room?

According to who we are show interestin ... ... a 6'6" to 6'7" good shooting small forward or shooting guard.

Only two fall into that category:

- Terry
- Matherin

Hmmmmm...

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:34 am

MountainCat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:49 am
BeardownZonaZona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:43 am Keep seeing that we're reaching out to transfers on the market. I know at the moment someone's gotta go, we get one of these transfers two gotta go. I saw you all were say Baker might be gone who might be the other to leave to make room?
According to who we are show interestin ... ... a 6'6" to 6'7" good shooting small forward or shooting guard.

Only two fall into that category:

- Terry
- Matherin

Hmmmmm...

Goerner could fall into that category as well.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:23 am

MountainCat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:49 am
BeardownZonaZona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:43 am Keep seeing that we're reaching out to transfers on the market. I know at the moment someone's gotta go, we get one of these transfers two gotta go. I saw you all were say Baker might be gone who might be the other to leave to make room?
According to who we are show interestin ... ... a 6'6" to 6'7" good shooting small forward or shooting guard.

Only two fall into that category:

- Terry
- Matherin

Hmmmmm...

Bramah is a post player who I think has only taken 1 three in his college career.

The other guys do seem more to match the physical profile of Mathurin and Terry, but I'd also keep in mind we are low on PF types right now. Tubelis is pretty well it, so I can understand we might want a larger wing that might also be able to be a smallball 4.

It would also not shock me if Goerner is gone. I'm not sure he's anywhere close to the rotation any time soon.

BeardownZonaZona · Post by **BeardownZonaZona** » Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:25 am

That's who I was thinking Tibet Gorener definitely could be someone who leaves. Kid can develop into something and help us down the road but I think we gotta go all in for next year and he won't be ready to make a contribution

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:43 am

BeardownZonaZona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:25 am That's who I was thinking Tibet Gorener definitely could be someone who leaves. Kid can develop into something and help us down the road but I think we gotta go all in for next year and he won't be ready to make a contribution

He looked really lost this year and needs to develop physically. If we returned Tubelis, Mathurin and Terry, he wouldn't move off the bench next year, IMO. Maybe something as a junior, but that's as soon as I could see him contributing.

Just a lot of unknowns at this point. I sort of think that there aren't many transfer PF's, so a big wing is the next best thing.

BeardownZonaZona · Post by **BeardownZonaZona** » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:09 pm

Agreed. Don't forget Batcho will play next year too. He's another true center. J Brown is really like a 4 or small ball 5. You could roll out Tubelis and Brown at the 4 and Koloko and Batcho at the 5. But it's be nice to grab one more post player for sure

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:18 pm

BeardownZonaZona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:09 pm Agreed. Don't forget Batcho will play next year too. He's another true center. J Brown is really like a 4 or small ball 5. You could roll out Tubelis and Brown at the 4 and Koloko and Batcho at the 5. But it's be nice to grab one more post player for sure

Does a lineup that immobile work in todays college game? Who is going to stop Jamie Jacquez from scoring another 100 points on us? I would be very afraid of Jordan Brown covering todays "4's".

BeardownZonaZona · Post by **BeardownZonaZona** » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:26 pm

That's true. Small ball really is the way of college basketball nowadays. Don't see all that many 7 footers nowadays in college

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:11 pm

BeardownZonaZona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:09 pm Agreed. Don't forget Batcho will play next year too. He's another true center. J Brown is really like a 4 or small ball 5. You could roll out Tubelis and Brown at the 4 and Koloko and Batcho at the 5. But it's be nice to grab one more post player for sure

I feel like we have enough posts, I'd really like someone in the 6'6-6'8 range who can play outside but still rebound. To give us some versatility.

Bramah is in that mold for sure.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:56 pm

Teams literally drove it right at us all season and at certain spots our defensive deficiencies really showed through.

I like four wings/guards with one big. Tubelis is not a rim protector and Koloko is a minus offensively. Brown has not shown the ability to stay with anyone off the bounce.

These guys are going to have to make a big leap forward next year on that end of the floor if we want to have the kind of year we are hopeful for. I would love an Aaron Gordon type of 3/4. Uber athletic that can guard off the bounce and could be a rim protector

BeardownZonaZona · Post by **BeardownZonaZona** » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:41 pm

Funniest thing is brown was known most for his defense for a lot of high school... It was pretty rough this year

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:50 am

If you could take the best of Brown's game and the best of Koloko's -- then you have a really good college player. Both have holes in their games, which is why they need to be used strategically depending on the opponent. Some games, Brown barely played any significant minutes. Others (USC) he came up huge. Same for Koloko. That's a real challenge for the coaching staff. Better perimeter defense by Akinjo, Mathurin, etc... would also ease the pressure on our bigs. A week defensive guard causes headaches for our big. If everyone takes a step forward this offseason -- you'll see significant defensive improvement for the team.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:58 am

zonagrad wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:50 am Better perimeter defense by Akinjo, Mathurin, etc... would also ease the pressure on our bigs. A week defensive guard causes headaches for our big. If everyone takes a step forward this offseason -- you'll see significant defensive improvement for the team.

This point came up a lot this year. Miller mentioned perimeter defenders giving up straight line drives a lot, and I agree with him. We had a lot of instances where a perimeter defender got beat in a straight shot to the rim.

Packline, zone, there's no defensive scheme that works well if your perimeter guys are getting beat off the bounce straight to the rim. If you can't control penetration, the other team can negate a rim protector like Koloko just by drawing him out of the lane. Usually, that helps bc it cuts down driving lanes, but when you get beat in a straight line, you're just screwed.

Becoming better at closing out and keeping your man in front of you on D would be my goals 1 and 2 this offseason for D. Those are two areas that are just musts for effective defense.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:36 pm

Maybe Daniel Batcho knows fellow Frenchman Josh Mballa from Buffalo and can say hey, that type of guy would complete our team next year.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:26 pm

Tyty washington decommitted from creighton. We're we ever interested in him, he's an arzona point guard

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:56 pm

U.P. Zona Fan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:26 pm Tyty washington decommitted from creighton. We're we ever interested in him, he's an arzona point guard

We weren't previously, but Miller will have a virtual meeting with him tomorrow. Kid has A LOT of red flags.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:01 pm

Ahhh,
Sungerbils fan eh?

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:03 pm

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:56 pm
U.P. Zona Fan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:26 pm Tyty washington decommitted from creighton. We're we ever interested in him, he's an arzona point guard
We weren't previously, but Miller will have a virtual meeting with him tomorrow. Kid has A LOT of red flags.

grades and personality i’m assuming? anything else? it does seem like his team likes him from the clips i’ve seen and they’ve been very good this year.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:27 am

goslingswagg wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:03 pm
ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:56 pm
U.P. Zona Fan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:26 pm Tyty washington decommitted from creighton. We're we ever interested in him, he's an arzona point guard
We weren't previously, but Miller will have a virtual meeting with him tomorrow. Kid has A LOT of red flags.
grades and personality i’m assuming? anything else? it does seem like his team likes him from the clips i’ve seen and they’ve been very good this year.

Yeah, this is what worries me about Robbins making next year do or die for Miller. It forces us to take chances on red flags and paves the way for more roster turnover.

Edit: looking more into him, it seems like the other schools offering him would be a red flag.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:35 am

Basically life is all about incentive structures.

And I see we seem to be moving into the "bad incentive structure" segment of the festivities.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:34 pm

We offered Tyty today. Arizona has ground to make up.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:43 pm

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:34 pm We offered Tyty today. Arizona has ground to make up.

I suppose it wouldn't hurt our chances if we had a head coach with a contract.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:16 pm

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:43 pm
ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:34 pm We offered Tyty today. Arizona has ground to make up.
I suppose it wouldn't hurt our chances if we had a head coach with a contract.

Crazy talk

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:47 pm

UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:16 pm
Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:43 pm
ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:34 pm We offered Tyty today. Arizona has ground to make up.
I suppose it wouldn't hurt our chances if we had a head coach with a contract.
Crazy talk

Pffft. As if.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:08 am

Dylan Anderson committed

Nice kid to keep in state

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:13 am

Nice start CTL

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:17 am

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:18 am

He had UA & Gonzaga on his list & he's from Gilbert so I imagine Tommy has been recruiting him for awhile

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:28 am

Looks like he has range and ball handling skills to go along with his size, from the tape I saw and his measurables he seems like he should be rated higher than he is with his biggest drawback being his need to add weight. Also played football for Frank Caliendo which is pretty awesome.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:29 am

Good start. Keep it rolling Tommy Boy.

Who’s next? Tommy want wingy?

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:30 am

Flying from Washington and then finalizing an in-state recruit of this calibre between first team meetings, press conferences, and media interviews on the first day is pretty epic.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:32 am

Only 1 commitment after 2 days on the job?

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:35 am

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:32 am Only 1 commitment after 2 days on the job?

You'll be changing your tune when he's at 50 commitments after 100 days on the job.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:36 am

If Sean was a witch can Tommy be a warlock?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:38 am

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:32 am Only 1 commitment after 2 days on the job?

Slacker.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:41 am

That is quite a wing span

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:03 am

Longhorned wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:35 am
Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:32 am Only 1 commitment after 2 days on the job?
You'll be changing your tune when he's at 50 commitments after 100 days on the job.

I don't think so. WTF is he doing on the other 50 days?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:11 am

84Cat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:18 am He had UA & Gonzaga on his list & he's from Gilbert so I imagine Tommy has been recruiting him for awhile

Looks like UA and Zaga were his top 2 with Lloyd being the lead recruiter at Zaga. So when Lloyd went to UA, stars lined up nicely.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:06 pm

gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:28 am Looks like he has range and ball handling skills to go along with his size, from the tape I saw and his measurables he seems like he should be rated higher than he is with his biggest drawback being his need to add weight. Also played football for Frank Caliendo which is pretty awesome.

Dunno if he's underrated. He has good athleticism and mobility for his size, but not elite, IMO. He's not an elite Holmgren type in shooting and handles, but he's good in both areas.

That's not necessarily bad, though. Players who need to develop physically and round their games out stay longer. That's how I see Anderson, that he lacks the elite aspects to be an automatic OAD, but has a lot of potential to develop.

He's ranked similarly to where guys like Zeke and Lauri were, and I could see that same sort of career path where he's probably a multiyear guy until/unless he blows up as a freshman.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:17 pm

Longhorned wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:35 am
Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:32 am Only 1 commitment after 2 days on the job?
You'll be changing your tune when he's at 50 commitments after 100 days on the job.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:32 pm

If he can stay around 2-3 years I'm all in with that type of recruit as long as the potential is there which it looks like there is.

I'm a little like "whoa, a 4-star commitment on basically the 2nd day of the job? I likes!"

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:37 pm

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:32 pm If he can stay around 2-3 years I'm all in with that type of recruit as long as the potential is there which it looks like there is.

I'm a little like "whoa, a 4-star commitment on basically the 2nd day of the job? I likes!"

It's a happy coincidence. He was down to Zaga with Lloyd as his lead recruiter and Arizona with Murphy as his lead recruiter.

So I'd imagine Lloyd's closing pitch was pretty straightforward. You like me, you like the U of A, it's your home state...

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:44 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:37 pm
EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:32 pm If he can stay around 2-3 years I'm all in with that type of recruit as long as the potential is there which it looks like there is.

I'm a little like "whoa, a 4-star commitment on basically the 2nd day of the job? I likes!"
It's a happy coincidence. He was down to Zaga with Lloyd as his lead recruiter and Arizona with Murphy as his lead recruiter.

So I'd imagine Lloyd's closing pitch was pretty straightforward. You like me, you like the U of A, it's your home state...

And that's fine and I get it.

But as I tell people who work for me, it's about the end results. Doesn't matter if it was an easy slam dunk or it took long hours to get it done. Nobody really cares how the sausage is made, just that it gets delivered and tastes good.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:49 pm

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:44 pm
Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:37 pm
EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:32 pm If he can stay around 2-3 years I'm all in with that type of recruit as long as the potential is there which it looks like there is.

I'm a little like "whoa, a 4-star commitment on basically the 2nd day of the job? I likes!"
It's a happy coincidence. He was down to Zaga with Lloyd as his lead recruiter and Arizona with Murphy as his lead recruiter.

So I'd imagine Lloyd's closing pitch was pretty straightforward. You like me, you like the U of A, it's your home state...
And that's fine and I get it.

But as I tell people who work for me, it's about the end results. Doesn't matter if it was an easy slam dunk or it took long hours to get it done. Nobody really cares how the sausage is made, just that it gets delivered and tastes good.

I get it. One of my personal opinions is that not screwing up the easy stuff is an underrated value in success.

There aren't extra points for degree of difficulty. A lot of life is converting the simple stuff expeditiously so you can focus energy on the difficult things.

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