Let's talk '23

[dmjcat]

[dmjcat]

[dmjcat]

AZ makes the cut for a 5 star forward (team mate of Boswell)

[ChooChooCat]

[Merkin]

KJ Lewis has Greg Oden disease, he looks like a man.

[YoDeFoe]

AZ makes the cut for a 5 star forward (team mate of Boswell)

Fools gold here, it seems, he likes Oregon and UK (the betting fav)

[goslingswagg]

lock him up TL

[Irish27]

[goslingswagg]

need him to reclass and commit. the exact kind of player we need on next year's team imo

[dmjcat]

need him to reclass and commit. the exact kind of player we need on next year's team imo

If we lose 2 scholies due to the NCAA/IARP (thats what everyone else is getting) and only Mathurin leaves we are already 1 scholarship over the limit for next year.............who do you propose "Romaring"?

[gronk4heisman]

need him to reclass and commit. the exact kind of player we need on next year's team imo

If we lose 2 scholies due to the NCAA/IARP (thats what everyone else is getting) and only Mathurin leaves we are already 1 scholarship over the limit for next year.............who do you propose "Romaring"?

Kier is a senior and someone else always leaves.

[DrWildcat]

need him to reclass and commit. the exact kind of player we need on next year's team imo

If we lose 2 scholies due to the NCAA/IARP (thats what everyone else is getting) and only Mathurin leaves we are already 1 scholarship over the limit for next year.............who do you propose "Romaring"?

Kier is a senior and someone else always leaves.

Maybe Aiken never comes back?

[azcat49]

I am wondering if Aiken will be preserving a year here soon but could come back to play the conference tournament and then the NCAA tournament?

[84Cat]

Aiken wouldn't be in game shape so I doubt CTL would even play him

[dmjcat]

need him to reclass and commit. the exact kind of player we need on next year's team imo

If we lose 2 scholies due to the NCAA/IARP (thats what everyone else is getting) and only Mathurin leaves we are already 1 scholarship over the limit for next year.............who do you propose "Romaring"?

Kier is a senior and someone else always leaves.

Kier and Ben M. makes two.......we have Anderson coming in. That would leave us 1 over if we get penalized 2 scholarhips by the NCAA. Again, we don't have any scholies to give out at the moment. If nobody else leaves we would have to Romar someone. Even if 1 additional person went pro (Koloko......who isn't ready) that would leave us with no additional scholarships to hand out.

[dmjcat]

need him to reclass and commit. the exact kind of player we need on next year's team imo

If we lose 2 scholies due to the NCAA/IARP (thats what everyone else is getting) and only Mathurin leaves we are already 1 scholarship over the limit for next year.............who do you propose "Romaring"?

Kier is a senior and someone else always leaves.

Maybe Aiken never comes back?

If Aiken leaves and only Mathurin goes pro (Kier is gone) we would be even on scholarships (assuming we are penalized 2). That would leave no additional scholarships to pass out

[gronk4heisman]

need him to reclass and commit. the exact kind of player we need on next year's team imo

If we lose 2 scholies due to the NCAA/IARP (thats what everyone else is getting) and only Mathurin leaves we are already 1 scholarship over the limit for next year.............who do you propose "Romaring"?

Kier is a senior and someone else always leaves.

Kier and Ben M. makes two.......we have Anderson coming in. That would leave us 1 over if we get penalized 2 scholarhips by the NCAA. Again, we don't have any scholies to give out at the moment. If nobody else leaves we would have to Romar someone. Even if 1 additional person went pro (Koloko......who isn't ready) that would leave us with no additional scholarships to hand out.

We have an open schollie this year already, so that math doesn't work

[ChooChooCat]

Obsessing over the scholy count when these things always work out is silly. If Arizona wants Proctor for ‘22 and vice versa there will be room.

Also recheck your numbers, if Aiken, Benn, and Kier are all gone then we only have 10 scholarship players and would have room for one (if we are penalized two scholys).

[azcat49]

Choo, any feed back from Lloyd on if the reality of our program matched his perception?

I know he hoped for more fans but would think he would understand the Covid era might mute that some. I would think he has to be happy with the support?

[TheCat]

I think we are misunderstanding the scholarship reduction process. The ones I have seen are 2 scholarships reductions in 3-4 years. In other words you have 3 years to take them. Could be one for 2 years in a row or any other way. I have never heard of them saying take away something you already offered. Maybe I'm wrong but don't think so.

[dmjcat]

Obsessing over the scholy count when these things always work out is silly. If Arizona wants Proctor for ‘22 and vice versa there will be room.

Also recheck your numbers, if Aiken, Benn, and Kier are all gone then we only have 10 scholarship players and would have room for one (if we are penalized two scholys).

You are indeed correct CCCat, we are one under at the moment.

The math only works if someone other than Mathurin/Kier depart. We don't know about Aiken at the moment If only Mathurin leaves (along with Kier who is a senior) we would still have to Romar someone to sign another 22 player (assuming we get the expected NCAA sanctions). I could be wrong, but Lloyd doesn't seem like the "Romar" type.

[Postmaster]

Tutvelas?

[Postmaster]

I think we are misunderstanding the scholarship reduction process. The ones I have seen are 2 scholarships reductions in 3-4 years. In other words you have 3 years to take them. Could be one for 2 years in a row or any other way. I have never heard of them saying take away something you already offered. Maybe I'm wrong but don't think so.

If that is correct, will they give us credit for the reduction this season, as many think the self imposed ban last season will count toward punishment?

[Chicat]

Tutvelas?

Sure. When you no longer want Azuolas. Now you’ve freed up two schollies.

[TheCat]

I don't know if we self imposed any type pf scholarship reduction. Does anyone know if my interpretation is accurate.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Obsessing over the scholy count when these things always work out is silly. If Arizona wants Proctor for ‘22 and vice versa there will be room.

Also recheck your numbers, if Aiken, Benn, and Kier are all gone then we only have 10 scholarship players and would have room for one (if we are penalized two scholys).

You are indeed correct CCCat, we are one under at the moment.

The math only works if someone other than Mathurin/Kier depart. We don't know about Aiken at the moment If only Mathurin leaves (along with Kier who is a senior) we would still have to Romar someone to sign another 22 player (assuming we get the expected NCAA sanctions). I could be wrong, but Lloyd doesn't seem like the "Romar" type.

If he isn't the Romar type, he'd better learn. That's necessary, and really frankly fine for players too.

If it isn't working out, it isn't working out. Look at Alex Barcello. It wasn't working out for him here, so he moved on, and he's in a better spot than he would have been if he stayed.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I think we are misunderstanding the scholarship reduction process. The ones I have seen are 2 scholarships reductions in 3-4 years. In other words you have 3 years to take them. Could be one for 2 years in a row or any other way. I have never heard of them saying take away something you already offered. Maybe I'm wrong but don't think so.

If that is correct, will they give us credit for the reduction this season, as many think the self imposed ban last season will count toward punishment?

No. One of the inexplicable things about Lloyd saying that was it's not a formal self-imposed punishment. He just said he was keeping spots open and raised the specter of a reduction.

If he was going to say that was the motivation, I never understood why the school wouldn't formally self-sanction. You get none of the credit with the NCAA and all of the impact.

[Postmaster]

Tutvelas?

Sure. When you no longer want Azuolas. Now you’ve freed up two schollies.

I wasn’t sure if there was some sort of agreement behind the scenes.

[Postmaster]

I think we are misunderstanding the scholarship reduction process. The ones I have seen are 2 scholarships reductions in 3-4 years. In other words you have 3 years to take them. Could be one for 2 years in a row or any other way. I have never heard of them saying take away something you already offered. Maybe I'm wrong but don't think so.

If that is correct, will they give us credit for the reduction this season, as many think the self imposed ban last season will count toward punishment?

No. One of the inexplicable things about Lloyd saying that was it's not a formal self-imposed punishment. He just said he was keeping spots open and raised the specter of a reduction.

If he was going to say that was the motivation, I never understood why the school wouldn't formally self-sanction. You get none of the credit with the NCAA and all of the impact.

Not sure why you wouldn’t find someone to use it.
Even if it’s a warm body for practice.

[DrWildcat]

I think we are misunderstanding the scholarship reduction process. The ones I have seen are 2 scholarships reductions in 3-4 years. In other words you have 3 years to take them. Could be one for 2 years in a row or any other way. I have never heard of them saying take away something you already offered. Maybe I'm wrong but don't think so.

If that is correct, will they give us credit for the reduction this season, as many think the self imposed ban last season will count toward punishment?

No. One of the inexplicable things about Lloyd saying that was it's not a formal self-imposed punishment. He just said he was keeping spots open and raised the specter of a reduction.

If he was going to say that was the motivation, I never understood why the school wouldn't formally self-sanction. You get none of the credit with the NCAA and all of the impact.

Not sure why you wouldn’t find someone to use it.
Even if it’s a warm body for practice.

Because then you have to push them out? Can't imagine that is fun even if it is necessary.

[Spaceman Spiff]

If that is correct, will they give us credit for the reduction this season, as many think the self imposed ban last season will count toward punishment?

No. One of the inexplicable things about Lloyd saying that was it's not a formal self-imposed punishment. He just said he was keeping spots open and raised the specter of a reduction.

If he was going to say that was the motivation, I never understood why the school wouldn't formally self-sanction. You get none of the credit with the NCAA and all of the impact.

Not sure why you wouldn’t find someone to use it.
Even if it’s a warm body for practice.

Because then you have to push them out? Can't imagine that is fun even if it is necessary.

I can understand that logic, but if that's it, I don't really understand why Lloyd would say it's because of potential sanctions...despite the fact it isn't a self imposed punishment.

It just doesn't make sense to me except as Lloyd sort of building a potential excuse, quite frankly. If it's for sanctions, announce it as a sanction. If it's because we had no one else, just say that you're focusing on players who will be here long term and not filling spots just to fill spots. Don't invoke sanctions when you aren't sanctioning.

[Postmaster]

I’m thinking someone with one year of eligibility or a walk-on the you tell up front that it’s a one year deal.

[TheCat]

First of all I am totally against Romaring any player period. You asked that individual to make a commitment and he should expect the same from you. I don't care about the ramifications. You are paid millions to evaluate talent and if you blow it it is on you not the kid. If they leave on their own so be it.

[Postmaster]

What eligibility does Aiken have after this season?

[Spaceman Spiff]

First of all I am totally against Romaring any player period. You asked that individual to make a commitment and he should expect the same from you. I don't care about the ramifications. You are paid millions to evaluate talent and if you blow it it is on you not the kid. If they leave on their own so be it.

I don't see it like this. At Arizona, if you don't make it on the floor, you will get other offers if you leave.

Look at every player who left under Miller. None struggled to find a landing spot. Arizona is at a level where everyone who leaves will get national looks and no one's getting kicked out of their only shot at college. Worst case scenario, you just move to a midmajor like Daniel Bejarano or Angelo Chol and get the PT you never would have at Arizona.

The flip side question, is it fair to lie to kids to keep them around? Because "Romaring" is usually just being honest with a player that it's really unlikely they'll do anything but ride the bench at Arizona and that there's no legitimate chance they will ever have a role.

It may be an uncomfortably harsh conversation, but it's better the kid hear it instead of being lied to and then having to live the harsh truth out when he was expecting different.

[TheCat]

First of all I am totally against Romaring any player period. You asked that individual to make a commitment and he should expect the same from you. I don't care about the ramifications. You are paid millions to evaluate talent and if you blow it it is on you not the kid. If they leave on their own so be it.

I don't see it like this. At Arizona, if you don't make it on the floor, you will get other offers if you leave.

Look at every player who left under Miller. None struggled to find a landing spot. Arizona is at a level where everyone who leaves will get national looks and no one's getting kicked out of their only shot at college. Worst case scenario, you just move to a midmajor like Daniel Bejarano or Angelo Chol and get the PT you never would have at Arizona.

The flip side question, is it fair to lie to kids to keep them around? Because "Romaring" is usually just being honest with a player that it's really unlikely they'll do anything but ride the bench at Arizona and that there's no legitimate chance they will ever have a role.

It may be an uncomfortably harsh conversation, but it's better the kid hear it instead of being lied to and then having to live the harsh truth out when he was expecting different.

I'm all for being honest and telling a guy the truth. Players know the portal is out there so if THEY want to leave they know they can without penalty. If they want to fight thru that and try and make it, to me, they have that right. Example...When C-Lo came in most said he should red shirt or wasn't AZ quality. He just said fine...kept working....got early playing time no one predicted and built on that. You can't take an evaluation mistake on your part and take it out on a kid. They develop friendships and interest and even classes that they want to pursue and that should be what we support. You have a deep roster and a third never play and as long as they live up to the rest of their obligations ( grades, being a good team player, good citizen) he is okay. If you want another example look at Mitch Lightfoot from Kansas. Guy has been their 6 yrs and is now starting to be a rotational player.

[TheCat]

As a reminder Auburn got no scholarship reductions.

The Tigers served a self-imposed postseason ban last season and received four years probation for NCAA infractions involving former assistant coach Chuck Person. Pearl received a two-game suspension for failure to monitor.

[ChooChooCat]

Obsessing over the scholy count when these things always work out is silly. If Arizona wants Proctor for ‘22 and vice versa there will be room.

Also recheck your numbers, if Aiken, Benn, and Kier are all gone then we only have 10 scholarship players and would have room for one (if we are penalized two scholys).

You are indeed correct CCCat, we are one under at the moment.

The math only works if someone other than Mathurin/Kier depart. We don't know about Aiken at the moment If only Mathurin leaves (along with Kier who is a senior) we would still have to Romar someone to sign another 22 player (assuming we get the expected NCAA sanctions). I could be wrong, but Lloyd doesn't seem like the "Romar" type.

Yup, but I think the writing is on the wall with Aiken honestly.

[ChooChooCat]

I don't know if we self imposed any type pf scholarship reduction. Does anyone know if my interpretation is accurate.

We haven't self-imposed anything officially, BUT we could always claim that we did if it comes down to it seeing as we are currently playing a roster that is one scholarship short.

[Alieberman]

What eligibility does Aiken have after this season?

No

[ChooChooCat]

What eligibility does Aiken have after this season?

No

He still has one more year after this season.

Btw guys I'd fully expect Arizona to add at least one more guy to the 2022 class. Honestly I'd count on it. I'm not sure where the scholarship(s) is coming from, but based on the Aiken situation, that's a pretty solid guess.

[Alieberman]

He could have 5 years of eligibility left... it still wouldn't matter

[IndianaZonaFan]

Is this fairly accurate?

1. Kerr
2. Terry
3. Koloko
4. Tubelis
5. Pelle
6. Ballo
7. Nowell
8. Bal
9. Tubelis2
10. Anderson (open from this season)
11. Open (Mathurin)
12. Open (Kier)
13. Open (Aiken)

[ChooChooCat]

He could have 5 years of eligibility left... it still wouldn't matter

That's probably fair at this point.

[ChooChooCat]

Is this fairly accurate?

1. Kerr
2. Terry
3. Koloko
4. Tubelis
5. Pelle
6. Ballo
7. Nowell
8. Bal
9. Tubelis2
10. Anderson (open from this season)
11. Open (Mathurin)
12. Open (Kier)
13. Open (Aiken)

I'd say so.

[IndianaZonaFan]

Then bring on KJ to ‘22 if that’s an option.

[IndianaZonaFan]

Or Proctor..either way

[goslingswagg]

Is this fairly accurate?

1. Kerr
2. Terry
3. Koloko
4. Tubelis
5. Pelle
6. Ballo
7. Nowell
8. Bal
9. Tubelis2
10. Anderson (open from this season)
11. Open (Mathurin)
12. Open (Kier)
13. Open (Aiken)

I'd say so.

lots of talk about the Euro big, and I would be happy adding him (and we need a 4 without Aiken), but this team needs a dynamic, create-his-own shot guard. if he is really good (e.g., Proctor), that’s a national title contender.

[TheCat]

Dead eye shooter is what we need.

[UAEebs86]

He could have 5 years of eligibility left... it still wouldn't matter

That's probably fair at this point.

Are we ever going to find out what happened with Aiken, or is he just going to fade off into the distance?