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We recruited him out of high school. Great shooter but he looked a bit slow to me. Wonder if we'll have any interest.
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Did our assistant recruit him to UNC?
Sorry, drawing a blank on coach’s name.
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You never know, but I see this going the way the other guards we reached out to have.
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Arizona doesn't really have a starter role on the perimeter open. We're basically looking for Justin Kier II.
That will necessarily limit our options.
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Yup.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 10:15 amArizona doesn't really have a starter role on the perimeter open. We're basically looking for Justin Kier II.
That will necessarily limit our options.
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Steve Robinson; no he wasn't the lead on this one, and the Arizona connection was to the old staff. But also... not sure what benefit Walton brings Arizona. Lacks defense, physicality, ball handling - to name a few.Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 5:06 pm Did our assistant recruit him to UNC?
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The ability to do 10 mpg without being in contention for more? Also contingent on psychological acceptance of that fact.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 10:26 amSteve Robinson; no he wasn't the lead on this one, and the Arizona connection was to the old staff. But also... not sure what benefit Walton brings Arizona. Lacks defense, physicality, ball handling - to name a few.Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 5:06 pm Did our assistant recruit him to UNC?
Sorry, drawing a blank on coach’s name.
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Do we have a need for 10mpg on the wing? Because Walton doesn't solve any PG or shot creation concerns.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 11:38 amThe ability to do 10 mpg without being in contention for more? Also contingent on psychological acceptance of that fact.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 10:26 amSteve Robinson; no he wasn't the lead on this one, and the Arizona connection was to the old staff. But also... not sure what benefit Walton brings Arizona. Lacks defense, physicality, ball handling - to name a few.Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 5:06 pm Did our assistant recruit him to UNC?
Sorry, drawing a blank on coach’s name.
I agree though that step 1 in any eval of a potential transfer is answering the questions you posed.
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If you look at his freshman year, he might have potential to be a servicable backup PG with the emphasis on serviceable. His 15 assist % as a freshman isn't far off from Kier's history.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 11:58 amDo we have a need for 10mpg on the wing? Because Walton doesn't solve any PG or shot creation concerns.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 11:38 amThe ability to do 10 mpg without being in contention for more? Also contingent on psychological acceptance of that fact.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 10:26 amSteve Robinson; no he wasn't the lead on this one, and the Arizona connection was to the old staff. But also... not sure what benefit Walton brings Arizona. Lacks defense, physicality, ball handling - to name a few.Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 5:06 pm Did our assistant recruit him to UNC?
Sorry, drawing a blank on coach’s name.
I agree though that step 1 in any eval of a potential transfer is answering the questions you posed.
He also sort of cratered across the board as a soph. I'd also say we might need some mpg on the wing, as recapitulating last year's rotation depends on Larsson being a starter, Bal filling Larsson's role and good health throughout. So a little stopgap might help with Nowell in the portal.
I mean, I just wonder if we aren't winding up with an 8 mpg and pray option at backup PG regardless.
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I think we have an attractive pitch for the right player:Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 1:13 pm
If you look at his freshman year, he might have potential to be a servicable backup PG with the emphasis on serviceable. His 15 assist % as a freshman isn't far off from Kier's history.
He also sort of cratered across the board as a soph. I'd also say we might need some mpg on the wing, as recapitulating last year's rotation depends on Larsson being a starter, Bal filling Larsson's role and good health throughout. So a little stopgap might help with Nowell in the portal.
I mean, I just wonder if we aren't winding up with an 8 mpg and pray option at backup PG regardless.
the baseline:
* Great coaching staff that genuinely cares for and develops players
* Marquee program and facilities and atmosphere (on and off court)
* Offensive style that is extremely attractive which allows for highlight plays, green light shooting, and plenty of shared sugar
* Team that will compete for championships (at the conference and national level)
the position:
* Back-up PG spot with opportunities to create and take shots
* Scoring guard with the first team / second unit microwave
* 20min/g
There's an opportunity for a player who wants to win, develop some more before they go pro, and who would appreciate being surrounded by high level players so that they can showcase their strengths without the burden of being the man every game. If we got Justin Kier for this role last season - with no benefit of the success and positive attention we gathered - it stands to reason we'll get an upgraded version of that role player this season.
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The new Euro is going to get PT on the wing this year.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 1:13 pmIf you look at his freshman year, he might have potential to be a servicable backup PG with the emphasis on serviceable. His 15 assist % as a freshman isn't far off from Kier's history.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 11:58 amDo we have a need for 10mpg on the wing? Because Walton doesn't solve any PG or shot creation concerns.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 11:38 amThe ability to do 10 mpg without being in contention for more? Also contingent on psychological acceptance of that fact.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 10:26 amSteve Robinson; no he wasn't the lead on this one, and the Arizona connection was to the old staff. But also... not sure what benefit Walton brings Arizona. Lacks defense, physicality, ball handling - to name a few.Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 5:06 pm Did our assistant recruit him to UNC?
Sorry, drawing a blank on coach’s name.
I agree though that step 1 in any eval of a potential transfer is answering the questions you posed.
He also sort of cratered across the board as a soph. I'd also say we might need some mpg on the wing, as recapitulating last year's rotation depends on Larsson being a starter, Bal filling Larsson's role and good health throughout. So a little stopgap might help with Nowell in the portal.
I mean, I just wonder if we aren't winding up with an 8 mpg and pray option at backup PG regardless.
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I can't say that excites me. As I've posted before, he looks like a guy who needs a year and to become a stretch 4.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 4:20 pmThe new Euro is going to get PT on the wing this year.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 1:13 pmIf you look at his freshman year, he might have potential to be a servicable backup PG with the emphasis on serviceable. His 15 assist % as a freshman isn't far off from Kier's history.
He also sort of cratered across the board as a soph. I'd also say we might need some mpg on the wing, as recapitulating last year's rotation depends on Larsson being a starter, Bal filling Larsson's role and good health throughout. So a little stopgap might help with Nowell in the portal.
I mean, I just wonder if we aren't winding up with an 8 mpg and pray option at backup PG regardless.
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DTSpaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 4:53 pmI can't say that excites me. As I've posted before, he looks like a guy who needs a year and to become a stretch 4.
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I trust Tommy on this one, but from what I've seen/heard, I would agree with that. Even Givony had a bit of a muted reaction to his signing compared to our typical international signings - seems like Tommy and the staff feel like he is a better player currently than others do, so it will be very interesting to see how good he actually is year one.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 4:53 pmI can't say that excites me. As I've posted before, he looks like a guy who needs a year and to become a stretch 4.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 4:20 pmThe new Euro is going to get PT on the wing this year.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 1:13 pmIf you look at his freshman year, he might have potential to be a servicable backup PG with the emphasis on serviceable. His 15 assist % as a freshman isn't far off from Kier's history.
He also sort of cratered across the board as a soph. I'd also say we might need some mpg on the wing, as recapitulating last year's rotation depends on Larsson being a starter, Bal filling Larsson's role and good health throughout. So a little stopgap might help with Nowell in the portal.
I mean, I just wonder if we aren't winding up with an 8 mpg and pray option at backup PG regardless.
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Veesaar signed? Link?goslingswagg wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 6:46 pmEven Givony had a bit of a muted reaction to his signing compared to our typical international signings
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I think that quote was talking about BorovicaninJefe wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 1:42 pmVeesaar signed? Link?goslingswagg wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 6:46 pmEven Givony had a bit of a muted reaction to his signing compared to our typical international signings
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It was.IndianaZonaFan wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 1:46 pmI think that quote was talking about BorovicaninJefe wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 1:42 pmVeesaar signed? Link?goslingswagg wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 6:46 pmEven Givony had a bit of a muted reaction to his signing compared to our typical international signings
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Ahhh that explains it. Henri will get time at the wing too haha
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Choo, I've watched the same video as everyone else, probably. Is there a former AZ player's game this new guy's reminds you of?
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Kerr Kriisa is also an AZ player who exists.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 6:41 pmDTSpaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 4:53 pmI can't say that excites me. As I've posted before, he looks like a guy who needs a year and to become a stretch 4.
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Line-up is tongue-in-cheek - it's a bunch of absolutely massive dudes for their position. Pelle would be the shortest guy on the court, and Tommy played him at the four last season (at times). It's also, somehow, a somewhat reasonable line-up.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 2:39 pmKerr Kriisa is also an AZ player who exists.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 6:41 pmDTSpaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 4:53 pmI can't say that excites me. As I've posted before, he looks like a guy who needs a year and to become a stretch 4.
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I feel like we need to define which Euro we speak of.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 2:36 pmChoo, I've watched the same video as everyone else, probably. Is there a former AZ player's game this new guy's reminds you of?
I posted before Borocavinin reminds me of a larger, less athletic Pelle Larsson, so that's my player comp.
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I sort of hope not. One of his bigger strengths is being very athletic and mobile for a guy with center size. Playing the 3, he's just average athletically. Playing the 4 or 5 he's very athletic and can capitalize on staying closer to the rim to exploit his shotblocking instead of having to guard smaller, quicker guys 30 feet from the rim.
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Oh yeah not by position, just comparing Veesaar to Lauri who spent a ton of time behind the 3 point line.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 3:41 pmI sort of hope not. One of his bigger strengths is being very athletic and mobile for a guy with center size. Playing the 3, he's just average athletically. Playing the 4 or 5 he's very athletic and can capitalize on staying closer to the rim to exploit his shotblocking instead of having to guard smaller, quicker guys 30 feet from the rim.
Imagining Ballo, Veesar and Tubelis on the court together
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Visiting along with his Bonnies teammate Osun Osunniyi - looks like they may be thinking package deal. Would be a major boost for Florida to pick up the two time A10 POY and his buddy, the two time A10 DPOY.
https://www.si.com/college/florida/bask ... n-osunniyi
We simply don't have the minutes to satisfy these guys (barring a loss of both DT and HV).
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We need to introduce this boy to a burrito and a squat rack
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Article on Leonard Miller.
Unfortunately, if it does come down to Kentucky/AZ I doubt we have the $$$$ to out-bid UK
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/05/nba-dr ... time-elite
If he opts to go the college route, he’ll pick between Kentucky and Arizona. He has until June 1 to make that decision and thus withdraw his name from the NBA draft if he wants to play at the collegiate level.
If that deadline passes, he will still have until June 13 to withdraw from the draft. In such a case, Miller could still use an alternative pathway to the pros like the G League Ignite (with a salary up to $500,000) or Overtime Elite (which pays players at least $100,000 a year) while still maintaining his eligibility for the 2023 NBA draft.
Among all these options, Bleacher Report’s draft expert Jonathan Wasserman notes that it is “most likely” that Miller stays in this draft class.
Unfortunately, if it does come down to Kentucky/AZ I doubt we have the $$$$ to out-bid UK
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/05/nba-dr ... time-elite
If he opts to go the college route, he’ll pick between Kentucky and Arizona. He has until June 1 to make that decision and thus withdraw his name from the NBA draft if he wants to play at the collegiate level.
If that deadline passes, he will still have until June 13 to withdraw from the draft. In such a case, Miller could still use an alternative pathway to the pros like the G League Ignite (with a salary up to $500,000) or Overtime Elite (which pays players at least $100,000 a year) while still maintaining his eligibility for the 2023 NBA draft.
Among all these options, Bleacher Report’s draft expert Jonathan Wasserman notes that it is “most likely” that Miller stays in this draft class.
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Ramey would be an excellent replacement for Kier.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... tney-ramey
https://www.si.com/college/texas/news/l ... =ramey-wvu
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... tney-ramey
https://www.si.com/college/texas/news/l ... =ramey-wvu
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Ideal replacement. Tough tough tough player, tons of high level experience, can run the point and provides good point of attack D. His efficiency leaves some to be desired but he'd make for a great change of pace to our current backcourt - he likes a dribble pull-up and putting pressure on defenses through isolation and penetration.dmjcat wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 12:33 pm Ramey would be an excellent replacement for Kier.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... tney-ramey
https://www.si.com/college/texas/news/l ... =ramey-wvu
Let's see if we can land him.
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I struggle with why Ramey would come here unless Dalen leaves. As I've said before, and saying he's a Kier replacement implies, chances are low we have a starting perimeter role to offer.dmjcat wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 12:33 pm Ramey would be an excellent replacement for Kier.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... tney-ramey
https://www.si.com/college/texas/news/l ... =ramey-wvu
So Ramey is a guy who has started 106 of 128 games as a high profile program. I assume he is transferring because he wants a showcased role at a high profile program.
If Dalen returns, he's doing it to be the primary perimeter option. Kerr will start at PG. Tubelis and (presuming) Veesar get the ball as bigs. I don't see why Ramey leaves TX to maybe be on the bench or at best a 3rd option as a starter.
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I'm in the minority here, but I think Ramey is a slam dunk. Major talent in a major conference playing in major games that matter? Sign me up. We certainly need that leadership presence on our team. I see him as the closest thing to what NWG brought to Gonzaga. A lot of the other names being floated around didn't make sense for '22, but his does.
Major selling point for Ramey would be tag teaming with Kriisa for a shot at a FF. If Ramey, Obogidi and Veesar come with Terry returning, this a top 10 team minimum. However, its far more important that we play the right way and peak at the right time. The goal is to get the team to the point where seedings don't matter because the roster is bulletproof.
Also, all Lloyd has to do is point to getting great players on the fringes to the next level of development. He did it last year in a major way and at Gonzaga as well. If major development were to happen at Texas, it would have happened already. He improves key stats like A/TO and shooting percentage, he could end up in a far better place then he could have ever imagined like Koloko and Terry.
Major selling point for Ramey would be tag teaming with Kriisa for a shot at a FF. If Ramey, Obogidi and Veesar come with Terry returning, this a top 10 team minimum. However, its far more important that we play the right way and peak at the right time. The goal is to get the team to the point where seedings don't matter because the roster is bulletproof.
Also, all Lloyd has to do is point to getting great players on the fringes to the next level of development. He did it last year in a major way and at Gonzaga as well. If major development were to happen at Texas, it would have happened already. He improves key stats like A/TO and shooting percentage, he could end up in a far better place then he could have ever imagined like Koloko and Terry.
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For what we're looking for, yeah we couldn't have hoped for any better. Let's hope we wrap him up.RawleArenas wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 12:34 pm I'm in the minority here, but I think Ramey is a slam dunk. Major talent in a major conference playing in major games that matter? Sign me up. We certainly need that leadership presence on our team. I see him as the closest thing to what NWG brought to Gonzaga. A lot of the other names being floated around didn't make sense for '22, but his does.
Major selling point for Ramey would be tag teaming with Kriisa for a shot at a FF. If Ramey, Obogidi and Veesar come with Terry returning, this a top 10 team minimum. However, its far more important that we play the right way and peak at the right time. The goal is to get the team to the point where seedings don't matter because the roster is bulletproof.
Also, all Lloyd has to do is point to getting great players on the fringes to the next level of development. He did it last year in a major way and at Gonzaga as well. If major development were to happen at Texas, it would have happened already. He improves key stats like A/TO and shooting percentage, he could end up in a far better place then he could have ever imagined like Koloko and Terry.
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Ramey is leaving Texas because he's not a fan of Coach Beard - he stayed on after they fired Smart and hired Beard and seemed to regret it based on the rumblings of a potential mid-season transfer last season.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 11:11 am I struggle with why Ramey would come here unless Dalen leaves. As I've said before, and saying he's a Kier replacement implies, chances are low we have a starting perimeter role to offer.
So Ramey is a guy who has started 106 of 128 games as a high profile program. I assume he is transferring because he wants a showcased role at a high profile program.
If Dalen returns, he's doing it to be the primary perimeter option. Kerr will start at PG. Tubelis and (presuming) Veesar get the ball as bigs. I don't see why Ramey leaves TX to maybe be on the bench or at best a 3rd option as a starter.
But to your bigger question: would Ramey come to Arizona with no clear path to starting... maybe. Who knows. If he wants to win more than 1 tournament game in his now five year NCAA career, I'm not sure that he's going to get a starting opportunity.
Again I'd point to Remy Martin (!) as an example of what a fifth year transfer is looking for... if you've already done 35min/g and haven't had success, maybe you're okay taking 20min/g and actually winning something.
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I had meant my larger point more as your second thing, which is whether a guy who's spent a career starting at a big time program is ready for a transfer into the 20 mpg backup role Kier leaves.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 12:56 pmRamey is leaving Texas because he's not a fan of Coach Beard - he stayed on after they fired Smart and hired Beard and seemed to regret it based on the rumblings of a potential mid-season transfer last season.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 11:11 am I struggle with why Ramey would come here unless Dalen leaves. As I've said before, and saying he's a Kier replacement implies, chances are low we have a starting perimeter role to offer.
So Ramey is a guy who has started 106 of 128 games as a high profile program. I assume he is transferring because he wants a showcased role at a high profile program.
If Dalen returns, he's doing it to be the primary perimeter option. Kerr will start at PG. Tubelis and (presuming) Veesar get the ball as bigs. I don't see why Ramey leaves TX to maybe be on the bench or at best a 3rd option as a starter.
But to your bigger question: would Ramey come to Arizona with no clear path to starting... maybe. Who knows. If he wants to win more than 1 tournament game in his now five year NCAA career, I'm not sure that he's going to get a starting opportunity.
Again I'd point to Remy Martin (!) as an example of what a fifth year transfer is looking for... if you've already done 35min/g and haven't had success, maybe you're okay taking 20min/g and actually winning something.
Even if he wasn't a Beard fan, I have to believe his TX role conditions him a bit. On Remy, I remember you bringing him up before and I always wonder if the role he had at KU was the role he was sold on when he transferred. Part of that is because I feel like Self isn't up front with a lot of recruits and transfers.
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Are we assuming Pelle is taking all of Benn's minutes?
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I'd call him the presumptive starter. How many minutes he clocks as such probably depends on how he plays as well as other options.
The natural progression would seem to be that Pelle becomes Benn and Bal becomes Pelle.
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Abogidi would blow up under Lloyd. I would be very excited about landing him.
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Can you imagine this guy in our frontcourt, alongside AT and OB:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fda-HgX7UkM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fda-HgX7UkM
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I can't imagine alongside those two and Veesar.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 10:35 am Can you imagine this guy in our frontcourt, alongside AT and OB:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fda-HgX7UkM