Conference Realignment

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:34 pm

UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:36 pm ^^^^^ agree CatsbyAZ

Major college sports being talked about as an academic endeavor vs. the actual cash grab it is is ridiculous.

Never got all this AAU/Tier 1 bullshit since big money took over.

It's the same as "old money" snobs turning up their noses at "new money" people.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:41 pm

Canzano and Thamel both reported today that the Big 12 talks about the 4 corners schools joining are overstated and not that serious.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:42 pm

PAC university presidents are academic elitists. Many campus presidents have a very limited interest in athletics. Who was Robbins' predecessor? She barely knew who the coaches were or what even the team colors are.

Athletic Departments for the most part are separate from the academic and administrative sides, and have their own budgets and even their own admissions.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:50 pm

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:00 pm

Don't think asu would get an invite to the Big-10 since all the schools are AAU schools and asu is not.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:05 pm

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:06 pm

azgreg wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:50 pm

I'm fine with sticking with the PAC-Whatever as long as its the fiscally optimal solution (which I find hard to believe). If the P10 can negotiate a media rights contract that is at least equivalent to what we would get in an expanded Big12 then I won't argue.........but if we are turning down a better TV contract to avoid rubbing shoulders with Baylor/TCU/TTech then I will be pissed.

As Michael Corleone once said "Its not personal, its strictly business". And that is exactly what the decision to leave or stay in the PAC should be, strictly business.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:41 pm

CatsbyAZ wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:19 pm
pc in NM wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:25 am
It's not about merely the quality of the academics.

AAU membership (65 members) is by invitation only, and requires approval by 75% of the current membership. The "Association of American Universities" (AAU) is an organization of American research universities devoted to maintaining a strong system of academic research and education.
But at what point are we fooling ourselves to believe these conferences want to bother with academics too when all the power moves are prompted by money grabs for media markets? College sports and its conference alliances are driven purely by dollars and viewerships, not Northwestern's top rated school of journalism. Let's stop fooling ourselves. If an Arizona Vs Grand Canyon U home and home fills the arenas and turns on more TVs screens than Arizona Vs Dartmouth then GCU's academics instantly turn into a back burner matter.

I believe that the BIG is committed to AAU accreditation,with the obvious exception of Notre Dame (an excellent undergraduate university, just not one that is focused on research) because ND is as big a cash cow as there is in college football...

I doubt that the SEC is concerned, because they're a bunch of Confederate heritage, money-grubbing, heathens!!!

I shared the information just so that the AAU status, often mentioned in these discussions, would be understood.

And, BTW, it underscores a significant difference between U of A and that fucking teachers' college in Tempe....

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:44 pm

I'm begginning to believe the PAC-10 is going to win out for at least a while.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:15 pm

That would mean we're happy going back to being a mid-major team, which makes zero sense.

AzCatFan2 · Post by **AzCatFan2** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:47 pm

The PAC without the LA schools may be mid major. But do is the BIG 12 if they only add Arizona, ASu, Utah and Colorado. If this is the case, I'd rather stick with Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco over Lubbock, Stillwater, and Lawrence. Now, if we can convince Oregon and UW to come with us to the BIG 12, that's a different story. But Oregon believes it's better than the BIG 12, and isn't about to move.

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:49 pm

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:47 pm The PAC without the LA schools may be mid major. But do is the BIG 12 if they only add Arizona, ASu, Utah and Colorado. If this is the case, I'd rather stick with Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco over Lubbock, Stillwater, and Lawrence. Now, if we can convince Oregon and UW to come with us to the BIG 12, that's a different story. But Oregon believes it's better than the BIG 12, and isn't about to move.

Oregon also believes their better than the PAC12. First chance they get they are bolting too. The writing is on the wall. Oregon will be announcing their departure within a couple years if not this year. And no, the BIG 12 is not mid major and has more stability than ours. People have been calling our conference a glorified mid major for years and now things are going to change for the positive especially after the departure of two MAJOR flagship schools? I guess you can also add places like Boise and Fresno with the Portland's and Frisco's (which are two cities the PAC doesn't have a school in btw.).

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:58 am

KillerKlown wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:49 pm
AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:47 pm The PAC without the LA schools may be mid major. But do is the BIG 12 if they only add Arizona, ASu, Utah and Colorado. If this is the case, I'd rather stick with Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco over Lubbock, Stillwater, and Lawrence. Now, if we can convince Oregon and UW to come with us to the BIG 12, that's a different story. But Oregon believes it's better than the BIG 12, and isn't about to move.
Oregon also believes their better than the PAC12. First chance they get they are bolting too. The writing is on the wall. Oregon will be announcing their departure within a couple years if not this year. And no, the BIG 12 is not mid major and has more stability than ours. People have been calling our conference a glorified mid major for years and now things are going to change for the positive especially after the departure of two MAJOR flagship schools? I guess you can also add places like Boise and Fresno with the Portland's and Frisco's (which are two cities the PAC doesn't have a school in btw.).

This is accurate.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:58 am

Very much mid major from a TV perspective. Fox and CBS said no to broadcast rights and ESPIN low balled us.

This move needs to be about two things, future stability and revenue. With Oregon and UDub we have no stability and with the Big 12 we would have probably another 15m a year.

AzCatFan2 · Post by **AzCatFan2** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:19 am

The BIG 12 without Texas and Oklahoma is no better than the PAC without LA. And Berkely is across the bay from San Francisco, and Eugene is a 2-hour straight shot down I-5 from Portland. What's close to Manhattan, KS?

Agreed that Oregon will bolt first chance they get to the BIG 10. Or the SEC decides to have a west coast presence. But neither of those options are in the table for the Ducks today. The BIG 12 is, but Oregon has said no to them. Now, if Oregon and UW came to the BIG 12 with us, different story. But Oregon isn't heading to the BIG 12 until if and when they have no other options. The BIG 12 also seems fine with adding 6 PAC teams.

This means our nightmare scenario of the BIG12 ain't only 4 PAC schools and Arizona being left out is highly unlikely to ever happen. One, Oregon isn't going to the BIG 12 unless that's their only option. And two, if Oregon does go to the BIG 12, we get an invite anyway.

Better to be patient right now and see what schools we may add. Doubt we add Fresno and Boise before we add SDSU if the PAC lowers it's academic standards. UNLV is likely higher in the pecking order too. And maybe we can convince OK State and TCU that the PAC is actually better than the BIG 12? Or maybe the conferences merge?

These are all better options than jumping to the BIG 12 without UW and Oregon. It's why the 4 corner PAC schools haven't already announced a move. And if none of these come to fruition, the BIG 12 would still be there, and happy to add the Arizona schools.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:32 am

Manhattan, KS

Nearest city with pop. 50,000+: Topeka, KS (49.3 miles , pop. 122,377).
Nearest city with pop. 200,000+: Kansas City, MO (109.3 miles , pop. 441,545).
Nearest city with pop. 1,000,000+: Dallas, TX (442.2 miles , pop. 1,188,580).

What's close to Pullman WA?

Nearest city with pop. 50,000+: Spokane Valley, WA (65.1 miles , pop. 89,755).
Nearest city with pop. 200,000+: East Seattle, WA (242.6 miles , pop. 480,100).
Nearest city with pop. 1,000,000+: Los Angeles, CA (877.0 miles , pop. 3,694,820).

Corvallis, OR?

Nearest city with pop. 50,000+: Salem, OR (27.7 miles , pop. 136,924).
Nearest city with pop. 200,000+: Northwest Clackamas, OR (65.6 miles , pop. 224,220).
Nearest city with pop. 1,000,000+: Los Angeles, CA (770.7 miles , pop. 3,694,820).

Although there is 0 chance WSU and ntOSU would be allowed into the PAC if they conference formed today.

AzCatFan2 · Post by **AzCatFan2** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:44 am

Merkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:32 am Manhattan, KS

Nearest city with pop. 50,000+: Topeka, KS (49.3 miles , pop. 122,377).
Nearest city with pop. 200,000+: Kansas City, MO (109.3 miles , pop. 441,545).
Nearest city with pop. 1,000,000+: Dallas, TX (442.2 miles , pop. 1,188,580).

What's close to Pullman WA?

Nearest city with pop. 50,000+: Spokane Valley, WA (65.1 miles , pop. 89,755).
Nearest city with pop. 200,000+: East Seattle, WA (242.6 miles , pop. 480,100).
Nearest city with pop. 1,000,000+: Los Angeles, CA (877.0 miles , pop. 3,694,820).

Corvallis, OR?

Nearest city with pop. 50,000+: Salem, OR (27.7 miles , pop. 136,924).
Nearest city with pop. 200,000+: Northwest Clackamas, OR (65.6 miles , pop. 224,220).
Nearest city with pop. 1,000,000+: Los Angeles, CA (770.7 miles , pop. 3,694,820).

First, you should do metro areas instead of cities. The city of Portland, OR has about 670,000 residents. But metro area has over 2 million. Seattle, about 750,000, but metro area of over 4 million.

Second, your making my point. Where did I say we should try and stay in a coherence with WAZZU and Oregon State? In didn't. We should try and hitch our wagon to Oregon and UW. There are no programs in the BIG 12 that match what UW and Oregon have to offer. And the BIG 12 has a number of locations and schools that are much more WAZZU than UW.

Again, if we can convince Oregon and UW to come v with the BIG 12 with us, that's acceptable. Without them? Not worth the move unless there are no other options. Today, there may still be other options.

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:43 am

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:44 am
We should try and hitch our wagon to Oregon and UW

And Oregon and UW are fine with that because their adding an eject button to our wagons james bond style. I trust Oregon about as much as an East Asian orphan getting a raise from Phil Knight.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:59 am

KillerKlown wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:43 am
AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:44 am
We should try and hitch our wagon to Oregon and UW
And Oregon and UW are fine with that because their adding an eject button to our wagons james bond style. I trust Oregon about as much as an East Asian orphan getting a raise from Phil Knight.

Yeah no kidding. Hitching our wagon to other schools who couldn't give a shit less if we live or die as opposed to even remotely attempting to control our own destiny is a great idea

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:09 am

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:52 am

Hopefully all we're waiting for is for George to fall flat on his face in less than 30 days with this asinine media deal.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:38 pm

There's no way the PAC gets an offer worth more than $300mill right?

Which would mean revenue in the 20s per year, per school (and the two most wanted schools ready to leave ASAP).

Expansion also doesn't help that as it only dilutes the money even further.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:46 pm

UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:09 am

Oregon and Washington are the two best football programs "in play" considering the Pac-12 is down to 10 teams; however, there is a reason they haven't been considered prominently in realignment. Industry sources say neither brings requisite value to the Big Ten ($80 million-$100 million per year). The Pac-12 schools most prominently mentioned for the Big 12 are the so-called "Four Corners" schools: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah.

The Big 12 has been told by TV rights advisors that the two most important considerations for expansion are brand and geography. Geography pushed Oregon and Washington to the margins. (That doesn't mean the likes of Arizona and Arizona are necessarily "brands.")

Ratings matter. They matter more when a 9-3 Oklahoma from the SEC might have a better chance of getting into a playoff than a 12-1 Oklahoma State from the Big 12.

One industry source called Oregon and Washington "tweeners" in realignment. They are certainly not USC and UCLA in terms of branding and marketability, but they're not Arizona and Arizona State, either. That's what realignment has revealed: The real things that make college football relevant to the only people that matter -- TV executives, programmers, advertisers -- are being exposed in increasing and specific detail..
Without Oregon and Washington, the Pac-12 might fall apart. With them, it may not matter.

Ouch

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:58 pm

Yeah we're fucked

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 1:29 pm

UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:58 pm Yeah we're fucked

"We're fucked" is what you get when you run "Bear Down" through Google's Pac-12 translater.

ztonyg · Post by **ztonyg** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:27 pm

UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:58 pm Yeah we're fucked

We need to get out of the Pac 12 but I don't believe we'll do it because we have a totally inept administration when it comes to athletics.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:39 pm

ztonyg wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:27 pm
UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:58 pm Yeah we're fucked
We need to get out of the Pac 12 but I don't believe we'll do it because we have a totally inept administration when it comes to athletics.

What's worse, is that ASU has an even worse administration which supported Larry Scott way too long and is still looking to keep the PAC together. No way the ABOR will allow UA and ASU to go to different conferences.

Although the UC regents didn't seem to object to UCLA leaving the PAC and keeping Cal but guessing the UC system has much more independent schools than the ABOR allows. After all, the UC regents don't require their schools to play FCS schools like the ABOR does.

ztonyg · Post by **ztonyg** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:00 pm

Merkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:39 pm
ztonyg wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:27 pm
UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:58 pm Yeah we're fucked
We need to get out of the Pac 12 but I don't believe we'll do it because we have a totally inept administration when it comes to athletics.
What's worse, is that ASU has an even worse administration which supported Larry Scott way too long and is still looking to keep the PAC together. No way the ABOR will allow UA and ASU to go to different conferences.

Although the UC regents didn't seem to object to UCLA leaving the PAC and keeping Cal but guessing the UC system has much more independent schools than the ABOR allows. After all, the UC regents don't require their schools to play FCS schools like the ABOR does.

The Pac without the LA schools isn't great for ASU either. For football both the Big 12 and remaining in the Pac 12 would be a step down from where we are right now but we know Oregon will leave the first chance it gets and at least most of the other Big 12 schools don't have other suitors.

AzCatFan2 · Post by **AzCatFan2** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:46 pm

There are no schools in the BIG 12 after Texas and OK leave worth more than Oregon and UW. Why leave them just so we can "control our own destiny!" Rushing headlong into a fire is controlling your own destiny too, but it's obviously a stupid idea.

Hitch our wagons to Oregon and UW. If we're lucky, wherever they land, we land there too. And if that's the BIG 12, then fine.

If Oregon and UW hit the eject button and leave us for say the BIG 10, the BIG 12 will still be there. The BIG 12 will be looking to respond and become conference that can compete with the SEC and BIG 10. At this point, what other schools besides the leftover PAC schools would be better for the BIG 12 at this point?

Our options are try and stay with Oregon and UW, or soft land in the BIG 12 without the two NW schools. Option one has the potential to be better for us. Patience is sometimes the best strategy, and the only reason we should jump headfirst to the BIG 12 now is we think that door will close in the future. Which isn't too likely.

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:04 pm

It will be funny to have a PAC-12 championship game between Utah and Oregon State after all the talk about USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington State. Heck, only one of those brands are not trending down and that’s USC. I just don’t like Washington and Oregons new coaches.

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:10 pm

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:46 pm There are no schools in the BIG 12 after Texas and OK leave worth more than Oregon and UW. Why leave them just so we can "control our own destiny!" Rushing headlong into a fire is controlling your own destiny too, but it's obviously a stupid idea.

Hitch our wagons to Oregon and UW. If we're lucky, wherever they land, we land there too. And if that's the BIG 12, then fine.

If Oregon and UW hit the eject button and leave us for say the BIG 10, the BIG 12 will still be there. The BIG 12 will be looking to respond and become conference that can compete with the SEC and BIG 10. At this point, what other schools besides the leftover PAC schools would be better for the BIG 12 at this point?

Our options are try and stay with Oregon and UW, or soft land in the BIG 12 without the two NW schools. Option one has the potential to be better for us. Patience is sometimes the best strategy, and the only reason we should jump headfirst to the BIG 12 now is we think that door will close in the future. Which isn't too likely.

The thing is the longer we stay the more we lose and that's including $. And it's only going to get worse. We can't afford to get stuck in a mid major conference for a long period because of a b.s. contract. I'm sure the PAC higher ups are already looking for ways to keep schools in the conference off one sided contracts so another USC/UCLA departure doesn't happen. ( Like the ACC/ESPN 2036 contract) I rather us try to "controll our own destiny" than to break out the knee pads and beg OU and UW to take us with them hoping to get "lucky". And since when does Arizona ever get lucky?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:23 pm

KillerKlown wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:10 pm The thing is the longer we stay the more we lose and that's including $. And it's only going to get worse. We can't afford to get stuck in a mid major conference for a long period because of a b.s. contract. I'm sure the PAC higher ups are already looking for ways to keep schools in the conference off one sided contracts so another USC/UCLA departure doesn't happen. ( Like the ACC/ESPN 2036 contract) I rather us try to "controll our own destiny" than to break out the knee pads and beg OU and UW to take us with them hoping to get "lucky". And since when does Arizona ever get lucky?

Exactly. And as posted above, typo and all, UA and ASU are not desirable brands. Especially the disaster UA football has been, and ASU football will be.

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:46 pm "The Big 12 has been told by TV rights advisors that the two most important considerations for expansion are brand and geography. Geography pushed Oregon and Washington to the margins. (That doesn't mean the likes of Arizona and Arizona are necessarily "brands.")

AzCatFan2 · Post by **AzCatFan2** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:42 pm

KillerKlown wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:10 pm
AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:46 pm There are no schools in the BIG 12 after Texas and OK leave worth more than Oregon and UW. Why leave them just so we can "control our own destiny!" Rushing headlong into a fire is controlling your own destiny too, but it's obviously a stupid idea.

Hitch our wagons to Oregon and UW. If we're lucky, wherever they land, we land there too. And if that's the BIG 12, then fine.

If Oregon and UW hit the eject button and leave us for say the BIG 10, the BIG 12 will still be there. The BIG 12 will be looking to respond and become conference that can compete with the SEC and BIG 10. At this point, what other schools besides the leftover PAC schools would be better for the BIG 12 at this point?

Our options are try and stay with Oregon and UW, or soft land in the BIG 12 without the two NW schools. Option one has the potential to be better for us. Patience is sometimes the best strategy, and the only reason we should jump headfirst to the BIG 12 now is we think that door will close in the future. Which isn't too likely.
The thing is the longer we stay the more we lose and that's including $. And it's only going to get worse. We can't afford to get stuck in a mid major conference for a long period because of a b.s. contract. I'm sure the PAC higher ups are already looking for ways to keep schools in the conference off one sided contracts so another USC/UCLA departure doesn't happen. ( Like the ACC/ESPN 2036 contract) I rather us try to "controll our own destiny" than to break out the knee pads and beg OU and UW to take us with them hoping to get "lucky". And since when does Arizona ever get lucky?

Oregon isn't signing an ACC type contract that will tie them down for a decade. Neither should we. The PAC 12 without LA is not sustainable long term. Everybody knows that too. If ESPN presents this as our only option, don't sign it. We know Oregon won't.

Again, the BIG 12V doors aren't closing on us any time soon. We may not get lucky, and the BIG 12 may be our only option. But until this point, let's see what the other options are. What do we have to lose?

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:54 pm

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:42 pm
KillerKlown wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:10 pm
AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:46 pm There are no schools in the BIG 12 after Texas and OK leave worth more than Oregon and UW. Why leave them just so we can "control our own destiny!" Rushing headlong into a fire is controlling your own destiny too, but it's obviously a stupid idea.

Hitch our wagons to Oregon and UW. If we're lucky, wherever they land, we land there too. And if that's the BIG 12, then fine.

If Oregon and UW hit the eject button and leave us for say the BIG 10, the BIG 12 will still be there. The BIG 12 will be looking to respond and become conference that can compete with the SEC and BIG 10. At this point, what other schools besides the leftover PAC schools would be better for the BIG 12 at this point?

Our options are try and stay with Oregon and UW, or soft land in the BIG 12 without the two NW schools. Option one has the potential to be better for us. Patience is sometimes the best strategy, and the only reason we should jump headfirst to the BIG 12 now is we think that door will close in the future. Which isn't too likely.
The thing is the longer we stay the more we lose and that's including $. And it's only going to get worse. We can't afford to get stuck in a mid major conference for a long period because of a b.s. contract. I'm sure the PAC higher ups are already looking for ways to keep schools in the conference off one sided contracts so another USC/UCLA departure doesn't happen. ( Like the ACC/ESPN 2036 contract) I rather us try to "controll our own destiny" than to break out the knee pads and beg OU and UW to take us with them hoping to get "lucky". And since when does Arizona ever get lucky?
Oregon isn't signing an ACC type contract that will tie them down for a decade. Neither should we. The PAC 12 without LA is not sustainable long term. Everybody knows that too. If ESPN presents this as our only option, don't sign it. We know Oregon won't.

Again, the BIG 12V doors aren't closing on us any time soon. We may not get lucky, and the BIG 12 may be our only option. But until this point, let's see what the other options are. What do we have to lose?

So what are we waiting for? -N- Wait for other options when we may only have one? Because we're already at that point.

Staying in the Pac we have a lot to lose and very little to gain.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 5:49 pm

If UW/UO end up in the Big 12, and they take Utah and Colorado, then the UA is totally fucked and will end up in some sort of reconstituted WAC with team like ntOSU and WSU.

AzCatFan2 · Post by **AzCatFan2** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:14 pm

We don't know what the other options are yet. We do know that Oregon doesn't want to join the BIG 12. And if they do have to join, the BIG 12 is likely to take as many as 6 PAC teams, including Arizona. The nightmare scenario of the BIG 12 taking only 4 without Arizona is unlikely to happen. Meaning, we have little to lose to see if there is a potential better deal for us than joining the BIG 12 now without Oregon and UW.

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:38 pm

"A potential better deal for us", How? We have no leverage and no football team to offer.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:49 pm

All I know is none of us have any idea what is going to happen and neither does our conference or our administration.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:53 pm

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:49 pm All I know is none of us have any idea what is going to happen and neither does our conference or our administration.

What we do know is that we can never have nice things….

AzCatFan2 · Post by **AzCatFan2** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:53 pm

KillerKlown wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:38 pm "A potential better deal for us", How? We have no leverage and no football team to offer.

What are the chances, if we wait, on losing out on a BIG 12 invite? Do we know any details of a potential PAC TV deal? If the chances are low we won't get a BIG 12 invite, then we lose nothing by waiting to see if a miracle comes our way.

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:18 pm

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:53 pm
KillerKlown wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:38 pm "A potential better deal for us", How? We have no leverage and no football team to offer.
What are the chances, if we wait, on losing out on a BIG 12 invite? Do we know any details of a potential PAC TV deal? If the chances are low we won't get a BIG 12 invite, then we lose nothing by waiting to see if a miracle comes our way.

Luck and miracles huh? Well athletic departments are a buissness now and running a business off luck and miracles is bad for business. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

AzCatFan2 · Post by **AzCatFan2** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:22 pm

KillerKlown wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:18 pm
AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:53 pm
KillerKlown wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:38 pm "A potential better deal for us", How? We have no leverage and no football team to offer.
What are the chances, if we wait, on losing out on a BIG 12 invite? Do we know any details of a potential PAC TV deal? If the chances are low we won't get a BIG 12 invite, then we lose nothing by waiting to see if a miracle comes our way.
Luck and miracles huh? Well athletic departments are a buissness now and running a business off luck and miracles is bad for business. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Do you really think a BIG 12 invite isn't coming if we wait? If we have nothing to lose, then we risk nothing hoping for luck and miracles. But act now, miracle happens, but we're stuck in the BIG 12, that's a risk I think we shouldn't take.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:27 pm

If the Big-12 wants to be the third conference they will need to expand. It's either the ACC or the Pac-12. Which one is in better contract shape to join the Big-12?

AzCatFan2 · Post by **AzCatFan2** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:11 pm

azgreg wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:27 pm If the Big-12 wants to be the third conference they will need to expand. It's either the ACC or the Pac-12. Which one is in better contract shape to join the Big-12?

The PAC. ACC is locked into a TV contract with a large buy out until 2035. Why would ESPN, who is getting that content cheap for the next decade want that to change?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:44 am

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:11 pm
azgreg wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:27 pm If the Big-12 wants to be the third conference they will need to expand. It's either the ACC or the Pac-12. Which one is in better contract shape to join the Big-12?
The PAC. ACC is locked into a TV contract with a large buy out until 2035. Why would ESPN, who is getting that content cheap for the next decade want that to change?

Yeah every Pac-12 school is a free agent at the end of the 2023-2024 season. Needless to say the Pac schools are the most agile to leave if they wanted to.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:21 am

I thought the LA schools announced by a certain date so they could leave at end of 2024.
Now that that date has passed, won’t the rest of PAC schools have to wait until 2025 to leave? If they announce by end of June, 2023?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:32 am

Postmaster wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:21 am I thought the LA schools announced by a certain date so they could leave at end of 2024.
Now that that date has passed, won’t the rest of PAC schools have to wait until 2025 to leave? If they announce by end of June, 2023?

That is my understanding too. They had to announce by June 30th which they did. Thinking that's the end of the Fiscal Year, since July 1st starts the new FY for many entities.

Pretty smart on their part, to do it the last day so it was too late for everyone else.

However, have not seen anything else about that date since then and the media contract will expire.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:35 am

Postmaster wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:21 am I thought the LA schools announced by a certain date so they could leave at end of 2024.
Now that that date has passed, won’t the rest of PAC schools have to wait until 2025 to leave? If they announce by end of June, 2023?

They announced when they did because it took them completely out of TV rights negotiations, which were going to begin this next fiscal year. There's literally nothing binding any Pac-12 school to the Pac-12 beyond 2024 at the moment.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:10 pm

Posted on FB by Rey if you remember him.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:16 pm

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:46 pm There are no schools in the BIG 12 after Texas and OK leave worth more than Oregon and UW. Why leave them just so we can "control our own destiny!" Rushing headlong into a fire is controlling your own destiny too, but it's obviously a stupid idea.

Hitch our wagons to Oregon and UW. If we're lucky, wherever they land, we land there too. And if that's the BIG 12, then fine.

If Oregon and UW hit the eject button and leave us for say the BIG 10, the BIG 12 will still be there. The BIG 12 will be looking to respond and become conference that can compete with the SEC and BIG 10. At this point, what other schools besides the leftover PAC schools would be better for the BIG 12 at this point?

Our options are try and stay with Oregon and UW, or soft land in the BIG 12 without the two NW schools. Option one has the potential to be better for us. Patience is sometimes the best strategy, and the only reason we should jump headfirst to the BIG 12 now is we think that door will close in the future. Which isn't too likely.

Well we know that presently an offer from the B1G is not forthcoming for O and UW, so if the 4 corners bolt to the Big 12, does it force the hand of O and UW? They aren't gonna stay in the PAC 6, that's for sure. If the B1G doesn't want them then what other landing spot do they have. Are they poised to have a couple of banner years in a row that boost their profile enough to get an invite? Hell we almost beat Oregon last year and we almost went winless.

I am just drooling over being in that basketball conference.

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