Should Arizona join the Big-12?

[ASUHATER!]

I want whatever conference Arizona is in to have its games be able to be seen by as many people as possible and to be seen on the platforms people are most likely to seek out sports. Simple as that.

Which means joining the big 12 asap

[ChooChooCat]

I don’t understand why any U of A fan or alumn would give espn more money by getting espn plus

It’s about expanding the fan base. We all know that if we were just trying to get the best deal for the diehard fans it would be having every game on Amazon. But how do you expand the interest in the team and the conference? By putting it where casual fans can encounter it organically in the streaming platform they go to for college basketball, college football, NBA, UFC, and so on.

No UA games have ever been on espn+ and there won't be this year or next

You are just giving that absolute shit organization who fucked US more money and more credibility

Fuck espn.

You can either be a petty bitch or get over it. Arizona needs ESPN for the very reason CardiacCats posted. Arizona does not need the Pac-12 if the Pac-12 is going to hold it back from accomplishing the goals that Cardiac mentioned.

[PHXCATS]

You are talking about something I am not. Just further evidence that people see what they want and don't actually read what is written

[PHXCATS]

If UA gamea are on espn+ in the future I will get it and figure out how to get them as little money as possible. Yea there are reasons to be on espn. But I sure as shit ain't giving them a dollar more than I need to

[ChooChooCat]

If UA gamea are on espn+ in the future I will get it and figure out how to get them as little money as possible. Yea there are reasons to be on espn. But I sure as shit ain't giving them a dollar more than I need to

[dovecanyoncat]

I want whatever conference Arizona is in to have its games be able to be seen by as many people as possible and to be seen on the platforms people are most likely to seek out sports. Simple as that.

People of my generation (boomers) excel at channel surfing on TV, and stopping at interesting games even if they have no interest in either team.

And obviously, that's the success of ESPN with viewership numbers. With having to stream games, that really requires effort to watch a game.

If you want to target Boomers to watch one particular channel just run the programing in every phone booth in America.

[AzCatFan2]

In a perfect world, the B1G gives us a call. Or SC and UCLA have a change of heart, return, and ESPN plus FIX offers the PAC schools $50 million a year. But that's not happening.

With our current situation, our Tier 3 games are in the abyss known as the PAC 12 Network. Go BIG 12, we end up on the abyss known as ESPN+ along with MLS, NHL, and a bunch of other sports nobody cares about. Stay in the PAC, we take a risk with Amazon. Is that really worse than the PAC 12 Network or ESPN+?

At least with Amazon, we'll get more money. And with risk comes potential reward. Amazon gets 13 million or more viewers on TNF. Guess what they are gong to promo the hell out of during this broadcast? Saturday PAC football. FOX promoted our basketball game against Indiana for two weeks during World Cup games. Even if it really didn't attract more viewers, the branding of Arizona Basketball as big time is worth a lot.

And if Amazon PAC football flops? Our contract will likely run out through 2030. A long enough experiment to see if it works, but not too long to handcuff us.

[ChooChooCat]

In a perfect world, the B1G gives us a call. Or SC and UCLA have a change of heart, return, and ESPN plus FIX offers the PAC schools $50 million a year. But that's not happening.

With our current situation, our Tier 3 games are in the abyss known as the PAC 12 Network. Go BIG 12, we end up on the abyss known as ESPN+ along with MLS, NHL, and a bunch of other sports nobody cares about. Stay in the PAC, we take a risk with Amazon. Is that really worse than the PAC 12 Network or ESPN+?

At least with Amazon, we'll get more money. And with risk comes potential reward. Amazon gets 13 million or more viewers on TNF. Guess what they are gong to promo the hell out of during this broadcast? Saturday PAC football. FOX promoted our basketball game against Indiana for two weeks during World Cup games. Even if it really didn't attract more viewers, the branding of Arizona Basketball as big time is worth a lot.

And if Amazon PAC football flops? Our contract will likely run out through 2030. A long enough experiment to see if it works, but not too long to handcuff us.

Pac 12 Network is an abyss, because you have to be a customer of a particular cable provider to get it. ESPN+ doesn't have that problem. Anybody can subscribe to it and keep whatever cable provider they prefer. You're arguing Apples vs Hand Grenades and are once again providing a red herring argument.

With Amazon we wouldn't get much more money, so what's the benefit? Why sell your soul for a buck more? It's idiotic. You're right though signing a contract with Amazon until 2030 is a long enough experiment to kill the Arizona brand altogether as Tommy Lloyd jumps back to Gonzaga after it joins the Big 12, because they'll actually be on TV and we won't. Boy I can't wait, this is going to be such a great deal for Arizona. Woooo.

[CardiacCats97]

Choo nails it. The league is dying. This is not the time for some neato experiment in the name of throwing shit against the wall.

Arizona needs to bolt from the PAC, but if we aren’t then we most certainly need to be fighting Kliavkoff tooth and nail not to be on Amazon. Let Fox have the rights even if it’s a million less or whatever. At least they are used to broadcasting sports through streaming.

[AzCatFan2]

In a perfect world, the B1G gives us a call. Or SC and UCLA have a change of heart, return, and ESPN plus FIX offers the PAC schools $50 million a year. But that's not happening.

With our current situation, our Tier 3 games are in the abyss known as the PAC 12 Network. Go BIG 12, we end up on the abyss known as ESPN+ along with MLS, NHL, and a bunch of other sports nobody cares about. Stay in the PAC, we take a risk with Amazon. Is that really worse than the PAC 12 Network or ESPN+?

At least with Amazon, we'll get more money. And with risk comes potential reward. Amazon gets 13 million or more viewers on TNF. Guess what they are gong to promo the hell out of during this broadcast? Saturday PAC football. FOX promoted our basketball game against Indiana for two weeks during World Cup games. Even if it really didn't attract more viewers, the branding of Arizona Basketball as big time is worth a lot.

And if Amazon PAC football flops? Our contract will likely run out through 2030. A long enough experiment to see if it works, but not too long to handcuff us.

Pac 12 Network is an abyss, because you have to be a customer of a particular cable provider to get it. ESPN+ doesn't have that problem. Anybody can subscribe to it and keep whatever cable provider they prefer. You're arguing Apples vs Hand Grenades and are once again providing a red herring argument.

With Amazon we wouldn't get much more money, so what's the benefit? Why sell your soul for a buck more? It's idiotic. You're right though signing a contract with Amazon until 2030 is a long enough experiment to kill the Arizona brand altogether as Tommy Lloyd jumps back to Gonzaga after it joins the Big 12, because they'll actually be on TV and we won't. Boy I can't wait, this is going to be such a great deal for Arizona. Woooo.

You do realize your description of why ESPN+ is better than the current PAC12 Network arrangement also fits for Amazon, don't you? You can still keep your current cable and subscribe to Amazon to watch games.

And while ESPN is the worldwide leader in sports, the question is, how much better is 5th choice on ESPN+ versus being top choice on Amazon Prime? And make no mistake, ESPN+ games aren't going to get much love from the network. ESPN will promote games on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU before they mention all the other also-ran games you can stream. In contrast, on Amazon, they will want to make their investment in college sports work, and will promote the heck out of the PAC. Is it truly better to be 5th in line in a large kingdom, or be king in a smaller one?

Time will tell. And 5 years is a short time, especially when schools announce they are leaving conferences usually 18 to 24 months before contracts end, and conferences negotiate new contracts in a similar time window. If Amazon totally flops, by 2028, the rumors will start about the end of the PAC. And we are likely in the BIG 12 by 2031. If Amazon is successful, we'd have made more money over 5 years, and be in an even better position for the next round of negotiations.

[ChooChooCat]

In a perfect world, the B1G gives us a call. Or SC and UCLA have a change of heart, return, and ESPN plus FIX offers the PAC schools $50 million a year. But that's not happening.

With our current situation, our Tier 3 games are in the abyss known as the PAC 12 Network. Go BIG 12, we end up on the abyss known as ESPN+ along with MLS, NHL, and a bunch of other sports nobody cares about. Stay in the PAC, we take a risk with Amazon. Is that really worse than the PAC 12 Network or ESPN+?

At least with Amazon, we'll get more money. And with risk comes potential reward. Amazon gets 13 million or more viewers on TNF. Guess what they are gong to promo the hell out of during this broadcast? Saturday PAC football. FOX promoted our basketball game against Indiana for two weeks during World Cup games. Even if it really didn't attract more viewers, the branding of Arizona Basketball as big time is worth a lot.

And if Amazon PAC football flops? Our contract will likely run out through 2030. A long enough experiment to see if it works, but not too long to handcuff us.

Pac 12 Network is an abyss, because you have to be a customer of a particular cable provider to get it. ESPN+ doesn't have that problem. Anybody can subscribe to it and keep whatever cable provider they prefer. You're arguing Apples vs Hand Grenades and are once again providing a red herring argument.

With Amazon we wouldn't get much more money, so what's the benefit? Why sell your soul for a buck more? It's idiotic. You're right though signing a contract with Amazon until 2030 is a long enough experiment to kill the Arizona brand altogether as Tommy Lloyd jumps back to Gonzaga after it joins the Big 12, because they'll actually be on TV and we won't. Boy I can't wait, this is going to be such a great deal for Arizona. Woooo.

You do realize your description of why ESPN+ is better than the current PAC12 Network arrangement also fits for Amazon, don't you? You can still keep your current cable and subscribe to Amazon to watch games.

And while ESPN is the worldwide leader in sports, the question is, how much better is 5th choice on ESPN+ versus being top choice on Amazon Prime? And make no mistake, ESPN+ games aren't going to get much love from the network. ESPN will promote games on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU before they mention all the other also-ran games you can stream. In contrast, on Amazon, they will want to make their investment in college sports work, and will promote the heck out of the PAC. Is it truly better to be 5th in line in a large kingdom, or be king in a smaller one?

Time will tell. And 5 years is a short time, especially when schools announce they are leaving conferences usually 18 to 24 months before contracts end, and conferences negotiate new contracts in a similar time window. If Amazon totally flops, by 2028, the rumors will start about the end of the PAC. And we are likely in the BIG 12 by 2031. If Amazon is successful, we'd have made more money over 5 years, and be in an even better position for the next round of negotiations.

Yes, the only thing that matters is the death of the Pac 12 Network in its current state, which is guaranteed. As far as Tier 3 games go I don't care if it's Amazon or ESPN+, it's Tier 3 and it'll be a better situation than our current Tier 3. Where you completely lose the picture is the Tier 1 and Tier 2 games being on Amazon. ESPN+ would not be where you can see our Tier 1 or 2 games, those would be reserved for Arizona vs FCS football opponent or Arizona vs Cal basketball. The problem we're staring right in the face is our bigger games being put on Amazon or ESPN late night only. That's the issue that you are ignoring.

Amazon for Tier 1 or 2 would be great for Arizona fans. Amazon though would be atrocious for Arizona's brand. You're an idiot if you think differently.

[AzCatFan2]

In a perfect world, the B1G gives us a call. Or SC and UCLA have a change of heart, return, and ESPN plus FIX offers the PAC schools $50 million a year. But that's not happening.

With our current situation, our Tier 3 games are in the abyss known as the PAC 12 Network. Go BIG 12, we end up on the abyss known as ESPN+ along with MLS, NHL, and a bunch of other sports nobody cares about. Stay in the PAC, we take a risk with Amazon. Is that really worse than the PAC 12 Network or ESPN+?

At least with Amazon, we'll get more money. And with risk comes potential reward. Amazon gets 13 million or more viewers on TNF. Guess what they are gong to promo the hell out of during this broadcast? Saturday PAC football. FOX promoted our basketball game against Indiana for two weeks during World Cup games. Even if it really didn't attract more viewers, the branding of Arizona Basketball as big time is worth a lot.

And if Amazon PAC football flops? Our contract will likely run out through 2030. A long enough experiment to see if it works, but not too long to handcuff us.

Pac 12 Network is an abyss, because you have to be a customer of a particular cable provider to get it. ESPN+ doesn't have that problem. Anybody can subscribe to it and keep whatever cable provider they prefer. You're arguing Apples vs Hand Grenades and are once again providing a red herring argument.

With Amazon we wouldn't get much more money, so what's the benefit? Why sell your soul for a buck more? It's idiotic. You're right though signing a contract with Amazon until 2030 is a long enough experiment to kill the Arizona brand altogether as Tommy Lloyd jumps back to Gonzaga after it joins the Big 12, because they'll actually be on TV and we won't. Boy I can't wait, this is going to be such a great deal for Arizona. Woooo.

You do realize your description of why ESPN+ is better than the current PAC12 Network arrangement also fits for Amazon, don't you? You can still keep your current cable and subscribe to Amazon to watch games.

And while ESPN is the worldwide leader in sports, the question is, how much better is 5th choice on ESPN+ versus being top choice on Amazon Prime? And make no mistake, ESPN+ games aren't going to get much love from the network. ESPN will promote games on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU before they mention all the other also-ran games you can stream. In contrast, on Amazon, they will want to make their investment in college sports work, and will promote the heck out of the PAC. Is it truly better to be 5th in line in a large kingdom, or be king in a smaller one?

Time will tell. And 5 years is a short time, especially when schools announce they are leaving conferences usually 18 to 24 months before contracts end, and conferences negotiate new contracts in a similar time window. If Amazon totally flops, by 2028, the rumors will start about the end of the PAC. And we are likely in the BIG 12 by 2031. If Amazon is successful, we'd have made more money over 5 years, and be in an even better position for the next round of negotiations.

Yes, the only thing that matters is the death of the Pac 12 Network in its current state, which is guaranteed. As far as Tier 3 games go I don't care if it's Amazon or ESPN+, it's Tier 3 and it'll be a better situation than our current Tier 3. Where you completely lose the picture is the Tier 1 and Tier 2 games being on Amazon. ESPN+ would not be where you can see our Tier 1 or 2 games, those would be reserved for Arizona vs FCS football opponent or Arizona vs Cal basketball. The problem we're staring right in the face is our bigger games being put on Amazon or ESPN late night only. That's the issue that you are ignoring.

Amazon for Tier 1 or 2 would be great for Arizona fans. Amazon though would be atrocious for Arizona's brand. You're an idiot if you think differently.

Let's see how many Tier 1 games are on Amazon before we knock it. Most Tier 1 games will still be on ESPN, while Fox is reportedly not 100% out either.

We survived years with Tier 3 on the PAC12 Network abyss. Our brand isn't any worse than it was before our T3 games were on P12 Network. Being top college sports on Amazon will likely be a significant improvement over P12 Network. Again, TNF, what else will Amazon promote to its 13 million plus NFL viewership?

An occasional T1 on Amazon is a bigger risk. But what are our options? How many T1 games are we involved with anyway? And if most of our football and smaller basketball games are T3, give me the top spot at Amazon over 5th place on ESPN+. Maybe higher risk, but certainly higher reward if it works.