I am out as a football fan

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:18 am

My point about saying soccer has concussion issues wasn't to say it is as dangerous as football, it is not. Although, a study did find that heading a soccer ball can equal the force of being tackled, which actually surprised me http://www.espn.com/espnw/news-commenta ... tudy-shows" target="_blank. In other sports like baseball, basketball, volleyball, ... concussions tend to be somewhat fluky and as has been alluded to that the repeat chance of a concussion is pretty low. But something like a header in soccer, which is part of the game, is a somewhat frequent action. In the end, I just found it interesting that this thread would be about how dangerous head injuries in football are and then bring up soccer. I guess at what point do the risk become acceptable?

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:25 pm

I think soccer can look at different ball technology or maybe very light weight soft shell helmets if it’s proven that headers are as dangerous and lead to serious injuries

But there is risk in everything in life. But no study I have seen has shed light on soccer being anywhere close to as dangerous as football both to the brain and to the bodies of the people who play it

I mean with football remember it’s not just the brains that get hurt but people’s physical bodies that are awful long term. But my bigger issue is the brain injury as you can’t replace a brain. It bothers me a lot less if someone has bad knees from playing a sport then if they have dementia due to CTE.

And the amount of hits in football are far greater then headers in soccer

My belief is soon they will be able to test CTE in Living patients and then we will be able to know all the true dangers of all sports. It is tough to think it will be large in soccer when compared to Football given all the repetitive hitting in football

Keep in mind I played the toughest sport of all, water polo. I love the sport and concussion can happen especially with goalies but it’s more random.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:32 pm

Soccer used to be much worse than it is now when the ball was made of leather. It absorbed moisture and became very heavy. There were a few players in England who developed issues similar to boxing and football. The new ball eliminates the moisture absorption, but unless they ban headers there will always be a risk.

prh · Post by **prh** » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:06 pm

This is quite a long read but it's really good

http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/257 ... leges-espn" target="_blank

Couple notes:

Last spring, the Maricopa County Community Colleges in Arizona, citing costs and potential liability, announced that they were eliminating football at four schools, including a three-time junior college national champion. A task force concluded that the teams, consisting of 358 players, accounted for nearly one-third of all insurance costs for the district's 200,000 students.

If you're football, hockey or soccer the insurance business doesn't want you.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:59 pm

This is one of the ways I have thought football would die.

One of the major reasons why Northwestern players tried to unionize was to sue for better long term medical coverage. I believe right now if you played football at U of A and you graduate, the U of A owes you nothing from a medical standpoint. If they were required to provide long term health care, that would be a significant increase in costs.

Once they can test for CTE in living patients, to me, game over. Because then people start suing schools, districts, pop warner, helmet manufacturers, universities, etc. NFL can afford it but U of A athletics or our University can not afford a massive increase in costs related to insurance for football. Thats why I have been advocating we do not take on more debt to fund further construction at Arizona stadium.

Right now, people can not say there is link between CTE and playing football still. Once they can test for it in living patients, that argument will be much more difficult to make.

And then there is this

There's another point of view on Berkley's aggressive strategy: The company could be hit with the type of financial apocalypse that rocked the industry after the dangers of asbestos were discovered. Some brokers believe that day is coming.

"It's not just CTE. CTE isn't going to be the expensive part," said one insurance executive who spoke to Outside the Lines on the condition of anonymity. "Dementia and every case of Parkinson's and Alzheimer's are going to be blamed on football. There will be a bevy of doctors in California and other states, and they're going to say, 'I'm sure it was because you played football.'"

Referring to the NFL's class-action settlement, the executive added, "It's going to make a billion look like the best deal the NFL ever made in the world. It's going to be way more money than that."

Thanks for sharing, interesting article

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:14 pm

Anyone else not watching today?

Not out of malice or protest, I just have other stuff going on and other things that I want to do with the day. The “big game” slipped my mind I guess.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:38 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Anyone else not watching today?

Not out of malice or protest, I just have other stuff going on and other things that I want to do with the day. The “big game” slipped my mind I guess.

I have it on as background noise. My wife and son went to a play so home alone with the dogs, and they prefer to look out the front door at all the people walking by to the big Super Bowl parties in my neighborhood.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:47 pm

So far it's Edleman vs the Rams.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:30 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Anyone else not watching today?

Not out of malice or protest, I just have other stuff going on and other things that I want to do with the day. The “big game” slipped my mind I guess.

I went to my buddies house who had the game on but it was more to talk to his neighbor Ed Cunningham.

See below on Ed. Really interesting conversation and he had some unreal stories about what’s really happening. He said the insurance issues are very real as are the threat of a class action lawsuit against universities by players to sue for life long medical benefits. Ed has had a number of teammates commit suicide and this article might have been posted before on him

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/30/spor ... sions.html" target="_blank

The stories he had were brutal about his former teammates

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:00 pm

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:18 am

https://us.cnn.com/2018/01/18/health/ct ... index.html" target="_blank

Though they don't discuss it, this decoupling of CTE from concussions (and coupling it with repeated head impacts irrespective of concussion symptoms) would also make you wonder about sports like soccer. But yeah, basically football is a CTE sentence irrespective of number of concussions. I wonder if they have studied the difference between defensive players and offensive players. Seems like defensive players would have larger incidences of head impact.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:30 am

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... ion=Footer" target="_blank

Incredible stats to backup the fact that C.T.E. and football go hand in hand

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:07 am

ByJoveByJingle wrote:I wonder if they have studied the difference between defensive players and offensive players. Seems like defensive players would have larger incidences of head impact.

The big uglies get CTE worse from this study: https://www.inverse.com/article/37934-n ... ain-injury" target="_blank

and this study says OL slightly worse than DL. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4628259/" target="_blank

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:41 pm

Fuck it’s all bad

Why have I struggled giving up a sport that’s so dirty?

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:18 am

ByJoveByJingle wrote:https://us.cnn.com/2018/01/18/health/ct ... index.html

Though they don't discuss it, this decoupling of CTE from concussions (and coupling it with repeated head impacts irrespective of concussion symptoms) would also make you wonder about sports like soccer. But yeah, basically football is a CTE sentence irrespective of number of concussions. I wonder if they have studied the difference between defensive players and offensive players. Seems like defensive players would have larger incidences of head impact.

BJBJ, I don't have studies to site (probably exist in other countries), but Soccer definitely has CTE issues. There is a reason the younger kids are not allowed to head the ball.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:28 pm

They should outlaw headers in soccer. If they are worried about the effect on anemic scoring, then just liberalize the offsides rule which has never made sense to me. Make it so the offensive player’s body has to have an air gap between him and the last defender before you call offsides. Scoring will go way up and quickly.

Carcassdragger · Post by **Carcassdragger** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:54 pm

Ban soccer due to its sheer boredom.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:26 am

^ especially when a team gets a 2 goal lead. Might as well have a mercy rule like in college softball, just end it already.

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:05 am

Interesting read on Dr. Omalu who "discovered" CTE: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... net-omalu/

The main thing that I don't get is if there were so many flaws with his original paper, like not providing an adequate image to show CTE in the brain, why was it ever accepted for publication? Was it not peer-reviewed by other experts in the field?

While CTE is still an issue, it appears this guy has very little credibility.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:59 am

I love how much Newport talks football for not being a football fan anymore

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:19 am

PHXCATS wrote:I love how much Newport talks football for not being a football fan anymore

The Newportcat account hasn’t posted in this thread for a year, or at all in like 7 months.

I love how you always play the victim of posters talking about you instead of the teams/games/sports and yet all your posts are about other posters.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:23 am

Chicat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:I love how much Newport talks football for not being a football fan anymore
The Newportcat account hasn’t posted in this thread for a year, or at all in like 7 months.

I love how you always play the victim of posters talking about you instead of the teams/games/sports and yet all your posts are about other posters.

Someone is extremely bad on trolling.

Mon May 13, 2019 7:54 pm, regarding why can't the UA fill up Arizona stadium.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:31 am

Merkin wrote:
Chicat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:I love how much Newport talks football for not being a football fan anymore
The Newportcat account hasn’t posted in this thread for a year, or at all in like 7 months.

I love how you always play the victim of posters talking about you instead of the teams/games/sports and yet all your posts are about other posters.

Someone is extremely bad on trolling.

Mon May 13, 2019 7:54 pm, regarding why can't the UA fill up Arizona stadium.

Get premium. He talks football all the time there

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:35 am

So very brave to talk shit about someone who doesn’t come to this board and won’t see your lame troll.

Machina is a real profile in courage. Someone get him an Internet Medal of Honor for his bravery.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:54 pm

UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:59 am

Clinical observations and some case-control studies have indicated that head trauma might be a risk factor for ALS (1, 2). Trauma to the head is known to disrupt the blood-brain barrier (3), which is selectively impermeable to many solutes, including some toxins.Jan 28, 2016

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:31 pm

Thought this also belonged here.

84Cat wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:41 pm

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:36 pm

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:58 pm

My son is best buddies since kindergarten with Parker’s kid.

Parker always said, boys shouldn’t play tackle FB until 14. That way they are a little more mature and developed.

We played flag until then.

As soon as my boy turned 14, he wanted to sign up for FB. He referred to Glenn’s comments and said he was ready to go. How could we say no?

There was no penalty for delaying tackle FB. Only the quality of his team’s limited his all conference rankings.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:46 am

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:37 pm

Curbing Football Drills Could Make High School Football Safer

https://consumer.healthday.com/football ... 00105.html

Could CTE wrongful death case for an ex-USC player vs. the NCAA spawn more?

https://theathletic.com/3669382/2022/10 ... wsuit-usc/

Football Concussions—The NFL’s Worst Fear—May Be More Likely On Fake Grass Fields, Study Suggests

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/ ... 6efbdb1e21

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:28 am

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hardest-hits-182458982.html

Sobering story of Chuck Osborne and his death and the lawsuit where his family got swindled by the lawyer

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Feb 08, 2023 7:48 pm

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:04 pm

Herschel Walker is the poster boy for CTE.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:00 pm

As a former Lions fan I find this very painful.

Carcassdragger · Post by **Carcassdragger** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:58 am

Watching College Game Day this morning. They just had a story about a kid with cancer who was a Purdue fan. The story had a brief reference to the magic that happens in a college football stadium

It made me think of the times I've felt that magic. Last week in the Coliseum. In Arizona stadium when we beat ASSU to win the PAC 12 South. In Arizona Stadium when we beat Lane Kiffin and Barkley's USC team.

You can even feel the magic when watching TV. Last night watching Stanford come back against Colorado. The Hill Mary.

These thoughts made me remember this thread. They've changed the rules and have made the game safer. I hope they continue to do so.

College football makes people happy and inspires them. Its so much better than the NFL. It's kind of an intangible benefit of college football that's hard to exactly put a finger on, but I just love it.

Jedd"s teams inspire me because I've never seen them give up. Not once in three years.

Thanks for running this site guys. Love it.

Viva Los Gatos!

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun May 05, 2024 9:20 am

And some "fans" are upset?

Carcassdragger · Post by **Carcassdragger** » Sun May 05, 2024 2:17 pm

Merkin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:20 am

And some "fans" are upset?

I think there's more to this.

Those padded helmet covers may reduce injury in practice situations, where head-on aggressive collisions are a bit minimized. In game situations though, the helmet with the hard plastic surface allows for glancing blows and force to be a bit misdirected as opposed to a surface that doesn't glance off the blow.

Imagine two players going in opposite directions whose heads collide in a not quite full head-on. Two helmets that kind of stick together is going to result in more force going into the head and neck than if this blow can glance off with the surface modern helmets have.

At least this is what I've read somewhere in the past.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Mon Aug 26, 2024 10:08 am

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Sep 07, 2024 7:48 am

Had a story on the Guardian Caps at some high school on one of the podcasts I listen to.

$70 a helmet.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue Sep 24, 2024 11:06 am

A third of former NFL players believe they have CTE from playing football, new study shows

https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/ne ... ard-study/

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:14 pm

I drove my son and a few of the other players to their high school soccer practice and as we passed the football practice they all started talking about how most of the kids probably already have CTE. Kind of joking, but kind of not. You could tell there was genuine concern for their classmates.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Sep 24, 2024 4:10 pm

Older study.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... 20dementia.

Dr. Ann McKee, a neuropathologist, has examined the brains of 202 deceased football players. A broad survey of her findings was published on Tuesday in The Journal of the American Medical Association.

Of the 202 players, 111 of them played in the N.F.L. — and 110 of those were found to have chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or C.T.E., the degenerative disease believed to be caused by repeated blows to the head.

C.T.E. causes myriad symptoms, including memory loss, confusion, depression and dementia. The problems can arise years after the blows to the head have stopped.

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:01 pm

Chicat wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:14 pm I drove my son and a few of the other players to their high school soccer practice and as we passed the football practice they all started talking about how most of the kids probably already have CTE. Kind of joking, but kind of not. You could tell there was genuine concern for their classmates.

Soccer players can get CTE, too.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Wed Oct 09, 2024 6:32 pm

wyo-cat wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:01 pm
Chicat wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:14 pm I drove my son and a few of the other players to their high school soccer practice and as we passed the football practice they all started talking about how most of the kids probably already have CTE. Kind of joking, but kind of not. You could tell there was genuine concern for their classmates.
Soccer players can get CTE, too.

Footballers 50% more likely to develop dementia, study finds

Neurodegenerative disease diagnosed in 9% of players in Sweden’s top men’s division compared with 6% of control sample

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... tudy-finds

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