Officiating

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:19 pm

I was at the game so obviously every seems worse because of the crowd! Was it that poorly officiated? My 4 year old daughter noticed how bad it was and was yelling at the officials to back home! I raised her right!!! Get win we def picked the right game to take her and daughter daddo date!!!

ASUCatFan · Post by **ASUCatFan** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:21 pm

It was pretty awful, and most of the heinous calls seemed to go against Arizona. It takes guts to win a game that was called like that against a team as good as Gonzaga, though.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:34 pm

It's was craziest I have the McKale Center in years! I wasn't there for the Florida game but this was crazy!!!

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:40 pm

I thought the Zags got a higher percentage of the fifty fifty calls and the call on Pitts was horrendous.

We got away with one at the end of regulation.
RHJ went over Sabonis' back.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:47 pm

Just got back from the game and my youngest (7) kept asking me why the refs were so bad.

The Goat · Post by **The Goat** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:56 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:I thought the Zags got a higher percentage of the fifty fifty calls and the call on Pitts was horrendous.

We got away with one at the end of regulation.
RHJ went over Sabonis' back.

Sabonis shouldn't even have been in the game as he should have been fouled out already. That no call on that over the back drag down on Ashley was just one of many shit calls.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:57 pm

It was bad. We got the benefit of that no call on rondae at the end of regulation, and a 50/50 makeup call on a charge taken by Zeus. There was a four minute stretch to start the second half that was as bad as it gets. Four or five really poor calls or no calls in that stretch, and thats where i lost my voice

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:07 pm

Refs ran out of Mckale so fast it was funny.

Daryl Zero · Post by **Daryl Zero** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:11 pm

Alieberman wrote:Just got back from the game and my youngest (7) kept asking me why the refs were so bad.

Sigh. They grow up so fast.

UAtrue · Post by **UAtrue** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:47 pm

1st half had a slew of atrocious calls against the Cats. I got so pissed I'd replay 'em on the dvr to make sure I saw what I thought I saw. Glad to see the crowd start getting on the refs after those over the back no-calls. Saw a quick "make-up" call for us a shortly after that and from then on the bad calls against us started becoming much much fewer. Even saw saw the zags getting a few phantom foul calls.

Inconsistent referring at it's best (worst)...

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:38 pm

May as well sticky this thread for Pac 12 play.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:30 am

Refs need further training. They should look at film of this game to see why.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:35 am

Convinced Deldre Carr was on the take. Never seen an official (outside of Karl Hess) call such a piss poor game. That guy was awful.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:20 am

Olsondogg wrote:Convinced Deldre Carr was on the take. Never seen an official (outside of Karl Hess) call such a piss poor game. That guy was awful.

Thought crossed my mind as well. Slimy bastard. (if so)

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:34 am

HiCat wrote:Refs need further training. They should look at film of this game to see why.

Yeah, they need to be a lot more subtle when trying to screw us.

NETSFAN4HASSAN · Post by **NETSFAN4HASSAN** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:11 am

They absolutely suck and I did my best letting the bastards know

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:10 am

HiCat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Convinced Deldre Carr was on the take. Never seen an official (outside of Karl Hess) call such a piss poor game. That guy was awful.

Thought crossed my mind as well. Slimy bastard. (if so)

Lives in Vegas. Just sayin'

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:15 am

Olsondogg wrote:Convinced Deldre Carr was on the take. Never seen an official (outside of Karl Hess) call such a piss poor game. That guy was awful.

Dave Libby and Richie Ballasteros say hi.

How about the crew on the 2001 championship game?

salim'sheadband · Post by **salim'sheadband** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:15 am

Stevie Wonder could see that we got a break at the end of regulation but as noted above fucking Sabonis should have already been fouled out of the game at that point.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:44 am

Hansen: Pac-12 sent B-list refs for Gonzaga game

http://tucson.com/sports/columnists/han ... ?id=201408

Item I: In the first 48 hours after Arizona split its Oregon-Gonzaga doubleheader, the trending topic was not that the Zags shot an airball at the worst possible time — or that Arizona’s performance against the Ducks was nothing but an airball — it was, as usual, the referees.

Nothing stirs the soul of a UA basketball fan more than an excess of whistles — good calls, non-calls, bad calls, missed calls — in a dramatic finish.

I was puzzled that the Pac-12 assigned a relative rookie, Deldre Carr, to work with two middle-tier referees, Kevin Brill and Michael Greenstreet, in what had long been anticipated as the league’s showcase game of the preseason.

Carr had previously called just one UA game, a December 2010 five-point win against NAU. Until Saturday, Carr officiated 12 games this season, none involving ranked teams. Examples: Eastern Kentucky-Southern Utah; Maysville-North Dakota; Delaware-Cal Poly.

Perhaps this is the Pac-12’s way of developing younger referees. But it is far from the big-game crew the Big Ten appointed to last week’s Duke-Wisconsin mega-showdown.

That game was worked by Terry Oglesby — who, coincidentally, advanced to the NCAA tournament last year and called the Arizona-Gonzaga game — Gene Steratore, who called last year’s Michigan State-Michigan Big Ten tournament championship game; and Lamont Simpson, who worked last year’s UCLA-Florida Sweet 16 game.

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:07 am

Typical Pac stupidity on that one. The conference's premier team gets the B team.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:06 pm

Karl Hess, always the center of attention--or trying to be:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... -slur-game

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:38 pm

Olsondogg wrote:Karl Hess, always the center of attention--or trying to be:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... -slur-game

He says Hess told him he wanted to sit in his seat and watch Shah ref a game, calling Shah an ethnic slur.

"Egyptian" is an ethnic slur?

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:12 pm

Merkin wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Karl Hess, always the center of attention--or trying to be:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... -slur-game

He says Hess told him he wanted to sit in his seat and watch Shah ref a game, calling Shah an ethnic slur.

"Egyptian" is an ethnic slur?

The guy is American and of Indian decent.

I sincerely doubt Hess was saying "Egyptian ass" as a reference to his actual heritage and simply got the heritage incorrect.

Hess is a clown who should have been kicked off the court and never let back on, years ago.

FreeSpiritCat · Post by **FreeSpiritCat** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:03 pm

First there was Balesteros, then Libbey, now this clown.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:51 pm

As a reminder Hess has a history with Miller. He T'd him up in Maui in Millers first year. I was cause Miller yelled "3 seconds" for a Vandy player in the game.

McDonnough and Bilas talked about Hess and his clown show on that broadcast.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:57 pm

I'm not a betting man....but if I were I'd put down $50 that says if the ACC were to fire Hess, that the pac12 would hire him within a couple weeks.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:29 am

Karl Hess was fired by the ACC http://www.streakingthelawn.com/2015/1/ ... n-mit-shah

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:08 am

ASUHATER! wrote:Karl Hess was fired by the ACC http://www.streakingthelawn.com/2015/1/ ... n-mit-shah

guy was such a douche when he officiated Arizona games. See ya

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:14 am

whatisee wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:Karl Hess was fired by the ACC http://www.streakingthelawn.com/2015/1/ ... n-mit-shah
guy was such a douche when he officiated Arizona games. See ya

He'll be the next Director of Officiating for the Pac-12 in a year or so.

Daryl Zero · Post by **Daryl Zero** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:20 am

This was the officially the poorest officiated game I have ever seen live.
Way to show the country on college gameday how bad the Pac12 officiating is.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:50 am

Daryl Zero wrote:This was the officially the poorest officiated game I have ever seen live.
Way to show the country on college gameday how bad the Pac12 officiating is.

Only way it'll get fixed, if ever.

Depends on how much of a priority it becomes. Seriously hard to believe there wasn't point-shaving involved, and I'm not thinking by the players.

But in Larry Scott's world, Miller is too "uppity" and the UCLA "brand" needs to be protected. Neither happened tonight. Conference looked like garbage.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:41 am

Refs should look at the game replay to see missed calls.

The missed call on York driving to the hoop taking a shot was nuts.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:53 am

Daryl Zero wrote:This was the officially the poorest officiated game I have ever seen live.
Way to show the country on college gameday how bad the Pac12 officiating is.

At least they weren't biased. Every time AZ got totally screwed on a call UCLA got it worse on the other end and vice versa.

I can't believe the NFL let a blind guy ref the Super Bowl.

pokinmik · Post by **pokinmik** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:15 am

You know the officiating is bad when the announcers are talking about the calls all damn game. Felt like more often than not the topic of discussion was how shitty the calls were or how many calls there were. Bilas might bring up officiating more than most but still, the announcers usually shy away from totally harping on the refs...not last night.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:21 am

pokinmik wrote:You know the officiating is bad when the announcers are talking about the calls all damn game. Felt like more often than not the topic of discussion was how shitty the calls were or how many calls there were. Bilas might bring up officiating more than most but still, the announcers usually shy away from totally harping on the refs...not last night.

Bill has been harping on them all season, but hopefully people take Bilas more seriously than Walton.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:01 am

I wish something was changing...but 2 years ago the PAC had the biggest officiating scandal in CBB, as far back as I can remember...and...well, what's changed?

Until college basketball officials are paid in a manner that it could be their full time job, and that they don't have to ref so many games...nothing will change.

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:37 am

I can't stand the inconsistency game to game and play to play. I actually thought the USC crew did great. Then last night was horrid both ways. UCLA got screwed on some pretty obvious plays. We did too, but UCLAs stand out more in my mind.

Katzenfreund · Post by **Katzenfreund** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:54 am

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:01 am

So how much did the refs make last night? Just wondering. $1000-3000 per game is pretty good bucks. But not for inferior refs.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:18 am

Read an article that said when the PAC-10 went to the PAC-12 they were going to fire 16(?) refs and raise the game pay to $3,000 per, which they pay their own expenses. Also open up an office in Walnut Creek just for officiating.

Katzenfreund · Post by **Katzenfreund** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:25 am

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:35 am

If those refs (last night) got that kind of money, they were overpaid big time. Talk about scamming the Pac. Geezzus

NETSFAN4HASSAN · Post by **NETSFAN4HASSAN** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:38 am

what about that non shooting foul call for York? They said he wasn't in the act of shooting? ONE of the WORST calls I have ever seen! That NFL ref is a fucking moron.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:05 pm

It's not just the money, it's the amount of games that the officials are used. I don't beleive it is considered a full time job.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:12 am

Not just the PAC, twitter was all abuzz about the end of the Ohio State/Michigan game and the failure of the refs.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:25 am

Frybry02 wrote:I can't stand the inconsistency game to game and play to play. I actually thought the USC crew did great. Then last night was horrid both ways. UCLA got screwed on some pretty obvious plays. We did too, but UCLAs stand out more in my mind.

The Pac should be embarrassed to send that officiating product out for a Gameday game. The best you can say is neither team got an advantage because the refs just sucked. There were stretches where it was no blood, no foul, immediately followed by whistling if you breathed too hard.

The call where Zeus/Ashley (I forget which) got whistled on the hedge on Alford despite not touching him was hilarious. In fairness, the Bruins got hosed just as bad.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:28 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Frybry02 wrote:I can't stand the inconsistency game to game and play to play. I actually thought the USC crew did great. Then last night was horrid both ways. UCLA got screwed on some pretty obvious plays. We did too, but UCLAs stand out more in my mind.
The Pac should be embarrassed to send that officiating product out for a Gameday game. The best you can say is neither team got an advantage because the refs just sucked. There were stretches where it was no blood, no foul, immediately followed by whistling if you breathed too hard.

The call where Zeus/Ashley (I forget which) got whistled on the hedge on Alford despite not touching him was hilarious. In fairness, the Bruins got hosed just as bad.

I have a bruin buddy who feels that they got hosed as well, and I was inclined to agree.

He also added "we suck" to the end of his statement, and I was inclined to agree.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:10 am

Olsondogg wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Frybry02 wrote:I can't stand the inconsistency game to game and play to play. I actually thought the USC crew did great. Then last night was horrid both ways. UCLA got screwed on some pretty obvious plays. We did too, but UCLAs stand out more in my mind.
The Pac should be embarrassed to send that officiating product out for a Gameday game. The best you can say is neither team got an advantage because the refs just sucked. There were stretches where it was no blood, no foul, immediately followed by whistling if you breathed too hard.

The call where Zeus/Ashley (I forget which) got whistled on the hedge on Alford despite not touching him was hilarious. In fairness, the Bruins got hosed just as bad.
I have a bruin buddy who feels that they got hosed as well, and I was inclined to agree.

He also added "we suck" to the end of his statement, and I was inclined to agree.

Yeah. I don't think it made a difference because the game was called pretty terribly both ways, but both teams have a gripe with the reffing. It was inconsistent and plenty of phantom calls. Zeus drawing a charge while establishing post position with his butt off the ball was pretty comical too.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:37 am

Refs tried and failed to control tempo and momentum instead of just establishing what was and was not a foul at the outset and sticking with it. You could see both coaches complaining that what was a foul on one end was not on the other and hat what was a foul thirty seconds before all of a sudden wasn't.

I will never gripe about mistakes being made. Sometimes they miss things. Sometimes the rules are vague or don't help. But if a play is called one way thirty seconds into the game it should be called the same way throughout. That is the least we can ask for from these stipend pajama jokers.

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