Conference Realignment

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:11 pm

Sure does, since streaming is the future. But pretty sure Robbins was adamant about having some sort of traditional viewing at least to start.

Although most people I know no longer have cable/satellite.

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:02 pm

“Creative” = “Shitty”

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:16 pm

Sounds like we'll be headed to the Big 12 if the deal is as crappy as the tweet makes it sound like.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Jun 25, 2023 7:25 am

This TV deal is going to be colossally bad and I wouldn't be surprised to see us sign on for it all in the name of academics.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Sun Jun 25, 2023 7:29 am

Being "creative & forward thinking" and "totally fucked" are not mutually exclusive...

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Jun 25, 2023 8:24 am

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 7:29 am Being "creative & forward thinking" and "totally fucked" are not mutually exclusive...

They're one in the same with this conference.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Sun Jun 25, 2023 9:00 am

84Cat wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:03 pm Sounds like a streaming deal

In my head I heard steaming pile.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:46 am

So last day of June and no announcement. That really surprises me although being totally F’ed up is a conference staple

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:01 pm

We should just all come to grips with the reality that we’ll be streaming on the new Home Shopping Network app or over cable via CSPAN3. Anything better will be a pleasant surprise.

arizonawildcats · Post by **arizonawildcats** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:26 pm

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:28 pm

They're going to drag this shit out all summer.

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 2:17 pm

SDSU just told the MW they aren’t leaving.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 2:26 pm

When someone starts using terms like "Linear Concepts" I smell a smoke-screen. To me "Linear Concepts" means the deal stinks and someone is putting a lot of lipstick on the pig.

The B12 is looking better all the time.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:05 pm

I thought Linear Concepts meant that a traditional TV deal (cable/satellite) is in the works, and as Robbins has stated, a must deal.

See ads all the time for WNBA on the Ion channel. Is that where the PAC is headed?

MWC will probably pick up the PAC leftovers, esp. WSU and OSU.

Fisch, although not a decision maker, made it very clear in his interview that it's all about TV revenue.

For those, or the one, who thinks the Cats will stay in the PAC for lesser money better rethink that.

Take the sure thing.

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:35 pm

Hope SDSU loved that little taste of what the PAC has to offer.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:26 pm

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:10 pm

A little more? It doubles from $17M to $34M. That ain’t a little.

CatsbyAZ · Post by **CatsbyAZ** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:14 pm

Sounds like the PAC12 Network is planning on surviving by acting as the producer of sports content for wherever a new PAC12 deal takes the conference.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:49 pm

Soooooo, we're gonna sign a fifteen year agreement with the Larry Scott cable and satellite company. I hear its cost structure is real reasonable and has efficient distribution all up and down the west coast region and especially across multiple time zones. Let's give it a try. What could go wrong.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:52 pm

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:57 pm

Well needed laugh in this thread.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:33 pm

Haha SDSU, FAFO.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:07 pm

Merkin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:33 pm Haha, FAFO.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Tue Jul 04, 2023 4:23 am

Merkin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:52 pm

Now that is really funny...in a sad way.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Wed Jul 05, 2023 1:41 pm

So after media day

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:30 pm

This clusterfuck is so spot on PAC-12. How embarrassing for the presidents and George K.

At least Larry Scott is gone.

Basketcats · Post by **Basketcats** » Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:09 am

Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:30 pm This clusterfuck is so spot on PAC-12. How embarrassing for the presidents and George K.

At least Larry Scott is gone.

Are you sure about that? Rumor has it GK left his playbook out last week and someone snapped a pic of it....

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:31 pm

Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:30 pm This clusterfuck is so spot on PAC-12. How embarrassing for the presidents and George K.

At least Larry Scott is gone.

How and why is it embarrassing? Isn’t hurting recruiting. Isn’t hurting anything else is it?

Because Scheer told you it is embarrassing you feel it is embarrassing? Because the Big 12 trolls say so?

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:58 pm

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:31 pm
Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:30 pm This clusterfuck is so spot on PAC-12. How embarrassing for the presidents and George K.

At least Larry Scott is gone.
How and why is it embarrassing? Isn’t hurting recruiting. Isn’t hurting anything else is it?

Because Scheer told you it is embarrassing you feel it is embarrassing? Because the Big 12 trolls say so?

You owe the Pac-12 yet another apology Merkin.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:23 pm

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:31 pm
Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:30 pm This clusterfuck is so spot on PAC-12. How embarrassing for the presidents and George K.

At least Larry Scott is gone.
How and why is it embarrassing? Isn’t hurting recruiting. Isn’t hurting anything else is it?

Because Scheer told you it is embarrassing you feel it is embarrassing? Because the Big 12 trolls say so?

Taking over a year to get the deal done isn't embarrassing in and of itself?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:55 pm

AZCatGirl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:23 pm
PHXCATS wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:31 pm
Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:30 pm This clusterfuck is so spot on PAC-12. How embarrassing for the presidents and George K.

At least Larry Scott is gone.
How and why is it embarrassing? Isn’t hurting recruiting. Isn’t hurting anything else is it?

Because Scheer told you it is embarrassing you feel it is embarrassing? Because the Big 12 trolls say so?
Taking over a year to get the deal done isn't embarrassing in and of itself?

Not in any way what so ever. The deal being done right is what is important not the timeline.

Can tell who is just following certain media people and not who is thinking things through

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:06 pm

AZCatGirl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:23 pm Taking over a year to get the deal done isn't embarrassing in and of itself?

Along with this deadline published several times.

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:07 pm

Not embarrassing what so ever.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:20 pm

Merkin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:06 pm
AZCatGirl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:23 pm Taking over a year to get the deal done isn't embarrassing in and of itself?
Along with this deadline published several times.

Merk loves Clay Travis more than anyone

Again so what? The deadline supposedly moved. Okay how has that hurt Arizona?

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:24 am

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:20 pm
Merkin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:06 pm
AZCatGirl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:23 pm Taking over a year to get the deal done isn't embarrassing in and of itself?
Along with this deadline published several times.

Merk loves Clay Travis more than anyone

Again so what? The deadline supposedly moved. Okay how has that hurt Arizona?

There’s a difference between having an impact vs. being a total fucking embarrassment. I think that was Merkin’s point.

And you got to admit this whole PAC conference fiasco is embarrassing and makes us look like a 2nd rate league. You can bet the B1G, SEC and even the B12 are snickering at the conference in which the UofA currently resides.

Has it hurt us right now? No. But I it sure can impact our future in terms of keeping up with the Jones’.

AzCatFan2 · Post by **AzCatFan2** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:21 am

How embarrassing this situation ends up to be depends on the contract. If it's a decent deal, we'll hear it was worth the wait. And the Conference had to take its time to make sure it got things right. If the contract is crap, the shitshow will grow proportionately, and the PAC won't likely survive.

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 8:18 am

It’s embarrassing. There’s no way around that. When SDSU blew leaving the Mountain West the consensus amongst sportswriters and pundits was that it made them a perfect fit for the PAC which is a joke of a conference at this point.

That’s the PAC’s brand like it or not. A league that continually catches its dick in its own zipper.

TheCatInTheHat · Post by **TheCatInTheHat** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:39 am

Hard to deny that there was once a time when you felt very proud to be a member of the Pac-10/Pac-12. One of the big dogs, with some great academic institutions, and in some of the most spectacular parts of the country. And hard to deny that those feelings have been diminished...by the two biggest dogs walking away, and the weak sauce media/money situation. There have been bad decisions and empty promises for more than a decade. It now sounds like the presidents will all choose to hold it together and accept whatever money and exposure they get. It's unlikely, but maybe they've listened and learned a little bit from the experience. One aspect of that would be to make whatever becomes of the Pac-12 Network the equivalent of what the Big Ten, SEC, and ACC Networks do. That means you respond to viewing desires, with respect to availability and programming. And that means it's damn near exclusively football and men's basketball (even in the summer) in the afternoon and evening hours. From a fan perspective, the learning experience is that the sports media keyboard kings (Wilner, Scheer, Canzano, and the rest) copy each other, peddle rumors, claim inside knowledge, and do whatever it takes to maintain an audience. When things drag out over time, failed expectations from that effect causes frustration as much as anything else.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:44 am

All the videos making fun of the PAC and George K aren't embarrassing?

TheCatInTheHat · Post by **TheCatInTheHat** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:20 am

Not sure if that's a response to me, after I already said pride in the conference has obviously been diminished by the various missteps, or if it's intended for previous posts. But being disappointed isn't the same as caring about any attempts at humor by rival fans on the internet. I used to travel to Canada, and the CBC "news" seemed to consist of worrying about what little the American media had to say about them. Of course, from our perspective, we don't think about them much (forest fires notwithstanding), and certainly don't particularly care very much when we do.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:30 am

It is all embarrassing. From the President’s absolutely turning a blind eye on Scott to not caring one bit about athletics.

They continue with a weak charter in not allowing the commissioner certain powers to speak and act in the benefit of the conference which is archaic.

Kliavkoff is a lap dog who has to gather info and report and then go do their bidding. I just don’t see how or why anyone wouldn’t see Joe embarrassing this is in todays fast changing landscape of college sports

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:37 am

Merkin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:44 am All the videos making fun of the PAC and George K aren't embarrassing?

Of course they aren't

Why the fuck would you be embarrassed for the school trying to get the best deal possible

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:45 am

TheCatInTheHat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:20 am Not sure if that's a response to me, after I already said pride in the conference has obviously been diminished by the various missteps, or if it's intended for previous posts. But being disappointed isn't the same as caring about any attempts at humor by rival fans on the internet. I used to travel to Canada, and the CBC "news" seemed to consist of worrying about what little the American media had to say about them. Of course, from our perspective, we don't think about them much (forest fires notwithstanding), and certainly don't particularly care very much when we do.

What misteps exactly?

espn and fox are doing everything they possibly can to kill the conference to save money

Very few know the true details if what is going on. Look at things as people who negotiate contracts do not from fan boys or podcasters or small dick big 12 trolls

TheCatInTheHat · Post by **TheCatInTheHat** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:49 am

azcat49 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:30 am It is all embarrassing. From the President’s absolutely turning a blind eye on Scott to not caring one but about athletics.

They continue with a weak charter in not allowing the commissioner certain powers to speak and act in the benefit of the conference which is archaic.

Kliavkoff is a lap dog who has to gather info and report and then go to their bidding. I just don’t see how or why anyone wouldn’t see Joe embarrassing this is in todays fast changing landscape of college sports

Oh, I think he's as inept as you'd expect somebody hired by the Pac's presidents to be. I guess my distinction is that I don't see the connection between being irritated, annoyed, disgusted, or whatever words are suitable regarding somebody's performance, versus some supposed feeling of being personally humiliated or embarrassed by said performance. I attended an institution, and I root for the players on its teams. Can't say I've ever had any use for any administrative types at the university, conference, or NCAA levels.

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:50 am

Merkin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:44 am All the videos making fun of the PAC and George K aren't embarrassing?

Some people are just so use to being embarrassed they don't know what embarrassing is.
It's like RichRods "be comfortable being uncomfortable" senario.

TheCatInTheHat · Post by **TheCatInTheHat** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:26 am

The definition of embarrassed is "feeling or showing a state of self-conscious confusion and distress." If anybody wants to walk down the street feeling self-conscious, confused, or in distress over the behavior of some sports administrators they have no control over, I don't think that's particularly healthy, but by all means go ahead. I haven't felt embarrassed by much of anything in my life for a hell of a long time, but the last time I did, it was because of something for which I was personally responsible.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:06 pm

AZCatGirl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:23 pm
PHXCATS wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:31 pm
Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:30 pm This clusterfuck is so spot on PAC-12. How embarrassing for the presidents and George K.

At least Larry Scott is gone.
How and why is it embarrassing? Isn’t hurting recruiting. Isn’t hurting anything else is it?

Because Scheer told you it is embarrassing you feel it is embarrassing? Because the Big 12 trolls say so?
Taking over a year to get the deal done isn't embarrassing in and of itself?

It's my understanding that the current B1G deal was 2 years in the making.

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Sun Jul 09, 2023 10:37 am

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Jul 09, 2023 12:12 pm

"Looking for four other schools" or "for other schools"?

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Jul 09, 2023 2:50 pm

The future is not optimal but I don’t think it is bleak. As long as you have entry into the college football playoffs (and an easier one at that) it is good in my opinion.

If the conference changes its revenue sharing In football and basketball it will force teams to invest in both sports.

Would I take an offer from the B1G? In a heart beat I would but that’s not coming. Would I go to the Big 12? Like most, I will wait and see what this TV deal looks like

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