Game 7 at UCF (2024)
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Re: Game 7 at UCF (2024)
dmj and pc being apologists for a shitty coahing staff
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Chill out people. UA Basketball officially tips off Monday
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I do like Akina
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Uhh. I think you predicted 8-4 before the season started. Guess you only got it after the suckage started in earnest.dmjcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 2:51 pmFishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 2:48 pm Also most of the starters we lost we're on the defensive side of the ball, which Akina managed to get playing well until they were decimated by injuries.
Whats the excuse for the offense?
Top 2 running backs gone
Two out of the top 3 receivers (Cowing/TannerM) gone
2 starting OL's gone including the most important OL position (Left tackle)
Top 2 backup OL gone
And unfortunately we did not replace ANY of them with anything close to similar talent.
Got it????????
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Re: Game 7 at UCF (2024)
I don't speak for PC but I'm just being a realist. We are playing without 14 starters from last year.
I understand where the casual football fan might not understand the connection between losing most of your teams talent and having a drop off in on-the-field performance.........but it is what it is.
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UCF has gotten tired of scoring.
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You are correct carcass. Once I saw (in person) that we had problems with New Mexico's OL & DL's I rapidly updated my expectations.Carcassdragger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:06 pmUhh. I think you predicted 8-4 before the season started. Guess you only got it after the suckage started in earnest.dmjcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 2:51 pmFishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 2:48 pm Also most of the starters we lost we're on the defensive side of the ball, which Akina managed to get playing well until they were decimated by injuries.
Whats the excuse for the offense?
Top 2 running backs gone
Two out of the top 3 receivers (Cowing/TannerM) gone
2 starting OL's gone including the most important OL position (Left tackle)
Top 2 backup OL gone
And unfortunately we did not replace ANY of them with anything close to similar talent.
Got it????????
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Why would you need to see it in person if you already knew on paper we lost so many starters?dmjcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:07 pmYou are correct carcass. Once I saw (in person) that we had problems with New Mexico's OL & DL's I rapidly updated my expectations.Carcassdragger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:06 pmUhh. I think you predicted 8-4 before the season started. Guess you only got it after the suckage started in earnest.dmjcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 2:51 pmFishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 2:48 pm Also most of the starters we lost we're on the defensive side of the ball, which Akina managed to get playing well until they were decimated by injuries.
Whats the excuse for the offense?
Top 2 running backs gone
Two out of the top 3 receivers (Cowing/TannerM) gone
2 starting OL's gone including the most important OL position (Left tackle)
Top 2 backup OL gone
And unfortunately we did not replace ANY of them with anything close to similar talent.
Got it????????
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Re: Game 7 at UCF (2024)
You are all misguided, they are just saving all the good plays for the bowl game.
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I had no idea if the replacements (especially our offensive LT and the defensive line) were adequate......they were (and are) NOT.Fishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:10 pmWhy would you need to see it in person if you already knew on paper we lost so many starters?dmjcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:07 pmYou are correct carcass. Once I saw (in person) that we had problems with New Mexico's OL & DL's I rapidly updated my expectations.Carcassdragger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:06 pmUhh. I think you predicted 8-4 before the season started. Guess you only got it after the suckage started in earnest.dmjcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 2:51 pmFishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 2:48 pm Also most of the starters we lost we're on the defensive side of the ball, which Akina managed to get playing well until they were decimated by injuries.
Whats the excuse for the offense?
Top 2 running backs gone
Two out of the top 3 receivers (Cowing/TannerM) gone
2 starting OL's gone including the most important OL position (Left tackle)
Top 2 backup OL gone
And unfortunately we did not replace ANY of them with anything close to similar talent.
Got it????????
Questions for you:
Do you think Wooten is an adequate replacement for Jordan Morgan??
Do you think Patterson is an adequate replacement for Jacob Cowing??
Do you think TannerMac has been adequately replaced???
Do you think our DT's (Norton/Savea) have bee adequately replaced???
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So then why did the coaches after realizing our talent deficit not adjust their gameplan to cover up those weaknesses?
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We knew who we had in our lineup at the start of the season. But you only had your epiphany 2 games into the season? Was that when you suddenly realized our problem is just a lack of talent? I think that is when most of us realized we have a crummy coaching staff.dmjcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:06 pmI don't speak for PC but I'm just being a realist. We are playing without 14 starters from last year.
I understand where the casual football fan might not understand the connection between losing most of your teams talent and having a drop off in on-the-field performance.........but it is what it is.
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LOL, there is NO gameplan for covering up a fundamental lack of talentFishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:14 pm So then why did the coaches after realizing our talent deficit not adjust their gameplan to cover up those weaknesses?
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Ok so we have 0 talent, can't work with it at all. Got it.
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UCF's gameplay sure seems to be working.dmjcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:15 pmLOL, there is NO gameplan for covering up a fundamental lack of talentFishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:14 pm So then why did the coaches after realizing our talent deficit not adjust their gameplan to cover up those weaknesses?
“The reality is that the hardest games to win are over teams on their home court. Teams that don’t play those games can spin it however they want, but what they’re saying is, ‘We don’t want to lose in our non conference season.’" - Sean Miller
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So, according to you, the whole problem is just a "fundamental lack of talent"? An awful lot of other people see the main problem as being a fundamental lack of coaching talent.
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Against a decimated UA defense with 2/11 starters from last years team......yesAZCatGirl wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:16 pmUCF's gameplay sure seems to be working.dmjcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:15 pmLOL, there is NO gameplan for covering up a fundamental lack of talentFishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:14 pm So then why did the coaches after realizing our talent deficit not adjust their gameplan to cover up those weaknesses?
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I am very willing to admit this team isn't as talented as last years.
Why is it so hard for you to admit most of our coaching staff has their heads shoved up their own asses?
Why is it so hard for you to admit most of our coaching staff has their heads shoved up their own asses?
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We agree to disagree.BBQ wildcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:18 pm So, according to you, the whole problem is just a "fundamental lack of talent"? An awful lot of other people see the main problem as being a fundamental lack of coaching talent.
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Same O line and RBs as last week, how do you explain this?
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No, YOU agree to disagree with everyone else. But, of course, YOU are right.
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Because there is nothing to "admit" to.Fishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:18 pm I am very willing to admit this team isn't as talented as last years.
Why is it so hard for you to admit most of our coaching staff has their heads shoved up their own asses?
A coaching staff, no matter how talented, is not going to be able to win games without talent.
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New QB, new OC. Actually their 4th qb this season.
Can our football team go back to the Pac deuce?
Can our football team go back to the Pac deuce?
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Ah yes I forgot UCF was loaded with NFL playersdmjcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:24 pmBecause there is nothing to "admit" to.Fishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:18 pm I am very willing to admit this team isn't as talented as last years.
Why is it so hard for you to admit most of our coaching staff has their heads shoved up their own asses?
A coaching staff, no matter how talented, is not going to be able to win games without talent.
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Forget about replying to dmjcat. Can't you see, he is right and everyone else is wrong. I guess dmjcat is the only one around here who has any sort of understanding of football.
Re: Game 7 at UCF (2024)
UCF has zero respect for our defense going for it there.
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If we have no talent, why did you think we'd go 8-4 this season?
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They clearly have better overall talent than we do.Fishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:26 pmAh yes I forgot UCF was loaded with NFL playersdmjcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:24 pmBecause there is nothing to "admit" to.Fishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:18 pm I am very willing to admit this team isn't as talented as last years.
Why is it so hard for you to admit most of our coaching staff has their heads shoved up their own asses?
A coaching staff, no matter how talented, is not going to be able to win games without talent.
They have been winning the battle at the LOS all day........or do you dispute that???
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Yes they have been pushing us around all game, no they do not have significantly more talent on their roster than we do.dmjcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:28 pmThey clearly have better overall talent than we do.Fishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:26 pmAh yes I forgot UCF was loaded with NFL playersdmjcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:24 pmBecause there is nothing to "admit" to.Fishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:18 pm I am very willing to admit this team isn't as talented as last years.
Why is it so hard for you to admit most of our coaching staff has their heads shoved up their own asses?
A coaching staff, no matter how talented, is not going to be able to win games without talent.
They have been winning the battle at the LOS all day........or do you dispute that???
They did however make adjustments to their gameplan and got rid of a dead weight coach this week.
Re: Game 7 at UCF (2024)
Losing 56 to 12 to a crappy ass UCF team is not a fucking talent issue.
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And a new play caller on D.
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Nothing wrong with the UA football program that 25-30 Million $$$/year of NIL can't fix.
The problem is finding the 25-30 million $$$/yr
The problem is finding the 25-30 million $$$/yr
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I honestly can't believe you think they still would have won by that much if UCF hadn't made massive changes this week.
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Doesn't the state of Florida have a deep high school talent pool?
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We're 3-6. Sumlin's first season here he was 5-7. We won't match that.
Brent needs to fire Babers right now. It can't get worse.
This is almost rock bottom. We'll reach it at the end when we're 3-9 after ASSU beats the shit out of us.
Brent needs to fire Babers right now. It can't get worse.
This is almost rock bottom. We'll reach it at the end when we're 3-9 after ASSU beats the shit out of us.
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Yup, and most of em go to SEC teamsghostwhitehorse wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:39 pm Doesn't the state of Florida have a deep high school talent pool?
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That might satisfy the folks with pitchforks and torches (most of this board) but it won't bring back the 14 starters from last years team that we are missing......the results will be the same.Carcassdragger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:39 pm We're 3-6. Sumlin's first season here he was 5-7. We won't match that.
Brent needs to fire Babers right now. It can't get worse.
This is almost rock bottom. We'll reach it at the end when we're 3-9 after ASSU beats the shit out of us.
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obviously, dmjcat is the only one who is right. Everyone else just doesn't get it.
Reminds me of long ago song lyrics (if I remember them correctly) 'nobody's right if everbody's wrong"
Reminds me of long ago song lyrics (if I remember them correctly) 'nobody's right if everbody's wrong"
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That is unequivocally untrue.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
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In fact, it was one of the selling points of hiring Brennan lol.
"Look how well he did at little old SJSU with a lack of talent and facilities!"
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We just lost 55-12 to a terrible team with their 4th string QB.dmjcat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:42 pmThat might satisfy the folks with pitchforks and torches (most of this board) but it won't bring back the 14 starters from last years team that we are missing......the results will be the same.Carcassdragger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:39 pm We're 3-6. Sumlin's first season here he was 5-7. We won't match that.
Brent needs to fire Babers right now. It can't get worse.
This is almost rock bottom. We'll reach it at the end when we're 3-9 after ASSU beats the shit out of us.
I'll go ahead and agree that, overall, we have alot of talent gaps-especially with the injuries. But the results we're getting is ALSO because this staff is FAILING.
We suck bad and are one of the worst D1 programs in the country.
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To say that in a year when Army & Navy are a combined 14-1 is just mind-blowingly wild. They’re out there running offenses that were developed in the 1930s with o-linemen smaller than our TEs and you’re going to tell me you can’t coach kids up into winners? C’mon…Fishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:53 pmIn fact, it was one of the selling points of hiring Brennan lol.
"Look how well he did at little old SJSU with a lack of talent and facilities!"
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
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At least during the first 2 or 3 rough years of Stoops, the team never quit. Not that I want any UA coach back.
UCF, a team that lost 5 in a row with so much talent.
UCF, a team that lost 5 in a row with so much talent.
SJSU is 5-3 with Nakamura, the old Navy coach which Tate would not let the UA hire since Khalil would not run the "tripple" option.Chicat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 4:05 pm To say that in a year when Army & Navy are a combined 14-1 is just mind-blowingly wild. They’re out there running offenses that were developed in the 1930s with o-linemen smaller than our TEs and you’re going to tell me you can’t coach kids up into winners? C’mon…