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I assume most of us are anticipating Gonzaga's game tomorrow night. Drew Timme and the Zags are a class act. The scenario begs the question of how much Tommy Lloyd (who always seems to learn and do better in re-matches) will share in a scouting report with his mentor Mark Few. I assume there'll be at least a phone discussion, and that sort of professional courtesy always seems to be considered appropriate and non-controversial (at least when it happens against us.) Under the circumstances, there certainly shouldn't be any misplaced sense of conference loyalty. Meanwhile, as it's slow elsewhere in sports, the LA media predictably fawns while Cronin sandbags about Bona and Singleton, both of whom are guaranteed to play. Now I'll caveat this next by warning that our more sensitive and socially virtuous readers should refrain from reading the following, which actually uses the word suicide, which is a serious subject which should never be used humorously, ever, and I'm sure we've all had a friend or relative affected by it, and the 988 hotline is a valuable resource that we should all be familiar with as responsible citizens. But for some inexplicable reason, I still found it humorous:
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Drew Timme as someone other than a villain was not the take I was expecting to read this morning.

I'm surprised to see any Arizona fans rooting for Gonzaga, considering they see Arizona and UCLA as threats to their self-claimed best program in the West with their 8 straight sweet 16 appearances.

Love the posts TCINT, keep up the energy. We need more random, off the wall posts. The milquetoast brand of trolling by RC gets a bit bland.

As for the meat of the discussion, I don't see why Few wouldn't reach out to Lloyd for a phone conversation. Not sure what he'd share that would be new, that Few wouldn't already know, when Gonzaga blew out UCLA last year by 20. It's going to be elite offense vs elite defense.
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MrBug708 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:44 am Drew Timme as someone other than a villain was not the take I was expecting to read this morning.

I'm surprised to see any Arizona fans rooting for Gonzaga, considering they see Arizona and UCLA as threats to their self-claimed best program in the West with their 8 straight sweet 16 appearances.

Love the posts TCINT, keep up the energy. We need more random, off the wall posts. The milquetoast brand of trolling by RC gets a bit bland.

As for the meat of the discussion, I don't see why Few wouldn't reach out to Lloyd for a phone conversation. Not sure what he'd share that would be new, that Few wouldn't already know, when Gonzaga blew out UCLA last year by 20. It's going to be elite offense vs elite defense.
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Any UCLA fan should admire what Arizona has accomplished.

Any Arizona fan should admire what Gonzaga has accomplished.

It's pretty obvious to anyone who's not been too smug to pay attention!!

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Assuming a detailed recent scouting report is made available, that's an interesting story line. Players develop new wrinkles in their games from year to year, and coaches also make tweaks. Particularly coming from a team with a very similar system, the detailed scouting prepared for three separate games would figure to be fairly significant. The personnel are different, and that's crucial with the matchups. But approaches from the system that didn't work as well as planned, as well as those that did, should be helpful. Also various tells preceding particular moves by individual players are often identified over time. Just a game within a game to consider which may enhance fan viewing enjoyment.
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My guess is Arizona's scouting report will be limited in scope just simply on UCLA's available personnel. One game was UCLA playing without Bona and Clark. Another game was UCLA without Bailey. The third was half a game of UCLA at full strength before Clark got hurt, which is essentially what this matchup will be. Cronin has been hammering the lack of a rim protector, which makes me think they will want to attack the basket. But it probably comes down to Gonzaga's ability to hit 3's. When they have lost, they haven't shot well from the arc at all. My guess is Timme proves to be too much of a warrior in the post for UCLA to stop
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You have to love bug preemptively trotting out possible reasons for ucla to lose to gonzaga. he has impressive confidence in his team. Notice that there's no scenario where ucla just, you know, loses. In recent losses to AZ, ucla didn't merely lose these games. They were victims of great misfortune without which the losses would not have happened, obviously. There's no possible way for ucla to simply lose this game. If they do, it's because of factors beyond their control.

Btw, ucla wins tomorrow. gonzaga isn't nearly as good this year.
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Sorry to say Bug, I will be rooting for Gonzaga but I also think it's going to be a heck of a game.

In years past I'd normally root for Pac teams (except for ASSU of course) but since this conference has become a steaming pile of shit I am no longer an avid supporter.
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Beachcat97 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:08 pm You have to love bug preemptively trotting out possible reasons for ucla to lose to gonzaga. he has impressive confidence in his team. Notice that there's no scenario where ucla just, you know, loses. In recent losses to AZ, ucla didn't merely lose these games. They were victims of great misfortune without which the losses would not have happened, obviously. There's no possible way for ucla to simply lose this game tonight. If they do, it's because of factors beyond their control.

Btw, ucla wins tonight. gonzaga isn't nearly as good this year.
The only thing I said about the matchup tomorrow was that I believe Timme will be too much for UCLA, which will probably be the national storyline going into the game.

But a lot of Bruin fans will be upset when they show up to Vegas tomorrow and find out the game was on Wednesday.

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I don't know about Gonzaga joining the big 12.
I have been a Zag supporter since 1999 but this run they have had with mark Few has been special but only has a few years left on it, and I think that Tommy was the special sauce that made the sandwich great.
I fear they will decline and that they could possibly get buried in the big 12. I mean they get every non con game they want, and have a 16 game conference schedule and then advance to the semis of their tournament! They are set up for life in the he wcc. A couple of down years in the big 12 and you are in the bottom half of it and not making the tournament. And the bottom half of the big 12 is still some tough teams!
It's like how I feel about Cincinnati. They will be in the bottom 2 or 3 of the big 12 and never make the tournament again after having multiple Natty's, HOF coaches (I mean, Cronin will be there someday I bet) that was a proud program and I feel it may be decades before it comes back to relevance.
If realignment had happened a while ago and the zags join the big 12 in like '18, they could have really made their mark and leaned into the new arrangement with a head of steam. I feel like they are on the decline in the twilight of the career of an incredible head coach without a clear path past his tenure. I would hate for them to become irrelevant.

But, I'm wrong sometimes too.
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Zags struggling with the Dawgs.
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And down they go. Nice to see someone besides us having a good win in this conference.
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Glad it wasn't the FlufferBros.
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U.P. Zona Fan wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:37 am I don't know about Gonzaga joining the big 12.
I have been a Zag supporter since 1999 but this run they have had with mark Few has been special but only has a few years left on it, and I think that Tommy was the special sauce that made the sandwich great.
I fear they will decline and that they could possibly get buried in the big 12. I mean they get every non con game they want, and have a 16 game conference schedule and then advance to the semis of their tournament! They are set up for life in the he wcc. A couple of down years in the big 12 and you are in the bottom half of it and not making the tournament. And the bottom half of the big 12 is still some tough teams!
It's like how I feel about Cincinnati. They will be in the bottom 2 or 3 of the big 12 and never make the tournament again after having multiple Natty's, HOF coaches (I mean, Cronin will be there someday I bet) that was a proud program and I feel it may be decades before it comes back to relevance.
If realignment had happened a while ago and the zags join the big 12 in like '18, they could have really made their mark and leaned into the new arrangement with a head of steam. I feel like they are on the decline in the twilight of the career of an incredible head coach without a clear path past his tenure. I would hate for them to become irrelevant.

But, I'm wrong sometimes too.
The fear is being left behind….the power conferences have all the power money leverage and someday will say “why share dance money with mid majors”?
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This ain't the boring doggy zone that the Zags lost to. Zags didn't play well. Dogs with 5 players in double figures. Zags had 3 backcourt players log 40 min. each.
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Damn
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84Cat wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 3:09 pm Damn
Yeah, sucks for him. These things are unavoidable, sadly. Every team gets hit at some point.

Hopefully he has a successful surgery and speedy recovery.
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“The reality is that the hardest games to win are over teams on their home court. Teams that don’t play those games can spin it however they want, but what they’re saying is, ‘We don’t want to lose in our non conference season.’" - Sean Miller
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AZCatGirl wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 12:54 pm
It's nice to hear this, but also, I'm not sure Few gets to pick their next coach. Also, if Lloyd were interested in that job, kinda think it would be his.
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Beachcat97 wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 10:13 pm
AZCatGirl wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 12:54 pm
It's nice to hear this, but also, I'm not sure Few gets to pick their next coach. Also, if Lloyd were interested in that job, kinda think it would be his.
Michaelson probably has it in his contract he will take over for Few, just like Tommy did. So unless Michaelson loses patience or gets a job offer he can't refuse then that job is his.
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Beachcat97 wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 10:13 pm I'm not sure Few gets to pick their next coach.
I don't think Few would say it if it wasn’t true.
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Zags are explosive on offense with depth and experience but what stands out with this years team is defense.

Big beatdown last night of No 8 Baylor 101-63.
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ZagCatFan wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:40 am Zags are explosive on offense with depth and experience but what stands out with this years team is defense.

Big beatdown last night of No 8 Baylor 101-63.
Mark Few is the best active coach in the sport. Change my mind.
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You guys have a mission today. We expect nothing but a complete thumping.
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I didn't expect this game to be tied at half. Props to asu
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Very disappointing half. Did Few not call up Tommy for some tips?

Step it up Zags!
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Closer than it should've been, but at least Gonzaga got the win.
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Yeah, this is the best asu team we have seen in a while
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If the above is true then Duke must be insanely good
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