2024-25 Arizona Basketball

[AZCatGirl]

BYU is going to be tough without Love. Hope our guys can win it for him.

[gouacats]

So, let me get this right. Love will get suspended for the next game because he got 2 Ts on the play where he was head butted and ASu dude won’t because he only got 1 T?!?

[AZCatGirl]

Okay Brian Jeffries said according to the rules Love can't play, but Scheer just tweeted this. Is this true?

[Postmaster]

I think you only miss next game if ejected for a punch or headbutt or kick.

[U.P. Zona Fan]

I saw you miss next game if you are involved in a fight but I don't know if that's right.

[Merkin]

I know it's not even a good stat, but interesting 3 of the starters ended up negative in +/-. Believe Townsend had the worst +/- last game. Like Clip said, just not a good player.

Henri leading in +/- two games in a row.

Didn't see anyone complaining about ADO today for his D, so again, not a good stat. Had some good looks too, ball just didn't go in.

[Fishclamps]

Has anyone mentioned that we are WAY better at making our FTs lately? Really helping a lot in these games

[Macho Grande]

"Agreed"
I call bullshit.

[Merkin]

Yea, Tommy's shrug gave it away as BS.

[Chicat]

Agreed?

I saw Tommy give Hurley a “what the fuck did we do?” look and then waved him off as the lunatic he is.

[azgreg]

Has anyone mentioned that we are WAY better at making our FTs lately? Really helping a lot in these games

It's because of the "Curtain of Confidence."

[Chicat]

Has anyone mentioned that we are WAY better at making our FTs lately? Really helping a lot in these games

It's because of the "Curtain of Confidence."

Might be time to give up the gimmick when your opponent goes 21-22.

[UAdevil]

That gimmick has been tired for a decade.

[AZCatGirl]

Has anyone mentioned that we are WAY better at making our FTs lately? Really helping a lot in these games

I was going to mention it right after the game but then the headbutt happened.

And yes, being perfect from the line really helped us stay in the game when ASU went on their runs. Thankfully by the time Vessar missed the one free throw the game was over. REALLY hope we can stay consistent from the line as that will be even bigger in March.

[Beachcat97]

Hurley is such a miserable prick. How does he still have that job? Not like it’s a good job, but ffs, you’d think even ASU could do better. Cronin should be available soon.

[Bangkok Wildcat]

Hurley is such a miserable prick. How does he still have that job? Not like it’s a good job, but ffs, you’d think even ASU could do better. Cronin should be available soon.

While I agree with you, I also like where he is and is perfectly suited for the Scummies

[Alieberman]

Give Hurley a lifetime contract. He is perfect for this rivalry.

He’s a shitty coach and a miserable prick… what else can you ask for ?

[Lute4God]

Give Hurley a lifetime contract. He is perfect for this rivalry.

He’s a shitty coach and a miserable prick… what else can you ask for ?

^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

I love the crying and whining during games.

"Don't throw the tie, Bobby"

[dovecanyoncat]

Bobby Hurley is the Steve Alford of Tad Boyles.

[CalStateTempe]

So what got him so incensed? Was it just just that we closed out and beat them?

[azcat49]

He has been used by Arizona like a two dollar whore on dollar day. I think he really felt he had the talent to beat us and he lost again and the frustration boiled over.

Love fouled his guy(I think it was Freeman) on a 3 point attempt right before but no call was made. Bradley made a lay up to salt the game a way and then Freeman came down and head butted Love. It was Freeman’s third time this year he got a T for unsportsmanlike conduct with an opposing player.

Hurley just felt disrespected I think. He should be for being a mediocre coach, a mediocre human who stands for nothing and is a coach who is playing out the string

[MountainCat]

Question - Now that we have the NIL, and players are essentially being paid, when will the NCAA or Conference Commissioners issue fines or penalties against the players for actions actions like we had tonight (Freeman).

Is a headbutt worth a $10k fine? Or even a 2-3 game suspension? You’re all considered a semi pro. Go act like it.

PS - The Big 12 Commish needs to headbutt Hurley with a major fine for his actions. That’s embarrassing….

[MountainCat]

On another note. Who the hell would ever be afraid retaliation from the opposition team to the point of removing their whole team from the court…….

…..on their home court?

Did we just see ASU surrender their court? I guess Hurley truly believes in the name McKale North.

[Djcat]

He has been used by Arizona like a two dollar whore on dollar day. I think he really felt he had the talent to beat us and he lost again and the frustration boiled over.

Love fouled his guy(I think it was Freeman) on a 3 point attempt right before but no call was made. Bradley made a lay up to salt the game a way and then Freeman came down and head butted Love. It was Freeman’s third time this year he got a T for unsportsmanlike conduct with an opposing player.

Hurley just felt disrespected I think. He should be for being a mediocre coach, a mediocre human who stands for nothing and is a coach who is playing out the string

I saw that Love foul and thought we were lucky the soft refs didn’t call it.

ASU has good players and a good coach would have them in the Top25. Hurley is clearly not it. Imagine Tommy with that center. Maybe Sanon will transfer over after the season. Ha

[Winger]

I know it's not even a good stat, but interesting 3 of the starters ended up negative in +/-. Believe Townsend had the worst +/- last game. Like Clip said, just not a good player.

Henri leading in +/- two games in a row.

Didn't see anyone complaining about ADO today for his D, so again, not a good stat. Had some good looks too, ball just didn't go in.

More objective data for the “why does Lloyd start these guys?” Bandwagon.

Beyond the +/- take a look at the (lack of) minutes played. Another game that wasn’t for ADO and Townsend, and evidently Awaka as well which was a surprise to me. And if you listed +/- adjusted by time played it would look even worse. ADO was > -1 point per minute he played. Which is awesome in its patheticness.

To reiterate I understand that +/- is a nearly worthless stat, but Lloyd starting 2 guys who can’t play in the majority of Arizona’s games will never make any sense to me.

But, 11-1 !!

Partial story of yesterday’s game might have been something I used to post about long ago. From afar it looked like a game where a fanbase, knowing it was going to be on national TV, on a weekend day, was trying to make itself matter after a long time lost in the desert (technically forever for ASU). And, it seemed the invective from the stands infected the players on the court, and further that the refs didn’t do a good job of policing things (admittedly that may not have been possible).

Thanks to Clip for the 2nd half adjustment breakdown posted above.

I have never met Hurley, but I have heard both that he is a good person off the court and that he and Lloyd have a good/solid relationship. Open to being educated on this but I think some of the comments regarding what kind of person he is outside of game day might be off. As fun as they are to type and read lol.

My new theme for the next 36 hours is Arizona going on the road and putting a beatdown on single booster - paid roster - trying to buy a good team - for a lousy program.

As a quasiblueblood we need to do our part and help to squash the BYUs, St Johns, etc of the world so this phenomenon is as short-lived as possible.

[Djcat]

Based on what the eyes can see Townsend was terrible yesterday. Just in back to back offensive series for ASU, he backed away from the ASU player for no reason and he shot a three to not being in front of another who drove for a 2.

At least Tommy took him out and stayed with the lineup that was good till KJ picked up his 4th. Surprised he put on Townsend instead of Awaka

[azcat49]

My big gripe with Hurley is that he and his coaches went to the locker room with the players. They should have stayed and shook hands with the AZ coaches. Maybe he thought he couldn’t control himself.

I get guys that hate to lose but the poor sportsmanship after competing hard bugs the heck out of me.

[Chicat]

I know it's not even a good stat, but interesting 3 of the starters ended up negative in +/-. Believe Townsend had the worst +/- last game. Like Clip said, just not a good player.

Henri leading in +/- two games in a row.

Didn't see anyone complaining about ADO today for his D, so again, not a good stat. Had some good looks too, ball just didn't go in.

More objective data for the “why does Lloyd start these guys?” Bandwagon.

The subjective data was the first 2 minutes 45 seconds of the second half when that lineup turned a one point lead into a 5 point deficit which would have been larger had it not been for some one-on-one play by Love and Bradley. Lloyd calls the timeout after we give up two 3s and two dunks, subs in the correct lineup and we turn on the jets and win.

[84Cat]

Up to 12 in KenPom

[azcat49]

Wonder if Yormark will comment at all about this weekend. Tech coach tossed on a bad flagrant call and Love tossed on a bad over reactionary call. The XII calls for sportsmanship from fans but not from coaches?

[KaibabKat]

We are #6 in the ESPN power index.

[pc in NM]

I predict Arizona goes undefeated in Big-12 this year until March 8th in Lawrence. (That is a toss-up!!)

Bet the house on it!!!

(Fair Warning: Note my signature below!)

I certainly didn't think we'd be playing Houston for first place either!!

I thought it would be KU!!

And, damn!! I was wrong about our trip to Lubbock. My sincere apologies!



BTFD!!!!

[pc in NM]

Wonder if Yormark will comment at all about this weekend. Tech coach tossed on a bad flagrant call and Love tossed on a bad over reactionary call. The XII calls for sportsmanship from fans but not from coaches?

From the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal

Texas Tech AD Kirby Hocutt issues statement after ejection of JT Toppin in Houston win

"Immediately after the ejection, I spoke with Commissioner (Brett) Yormark, who assured me that the situation would be addressed and there would be accountability. On behalf of Red Raider Nation, we are extremely proud of our team and the leadership of Coach McCasland."

[Chicat]

Any further word on if Love can play at BYU?

[Lute4God]

Any further word on if Love can play at BYU?

Can't find it right now, but UA (somewhere) had said he is playing at BYU and not suspended.

This article quotes the Jason Sheer tweet, but I think UA announced too:

https://athlonsports.com/college/arizon ... zona-state

Also Tucson.com/ Pascoe has:

Ultimately, while Arizona’s two technical fouls didn’t cost the Wildcats the game, and Love’s ejection did not mean he faces a suspension Tuesday against BYU, they did obscure the fact that Love stayed on a high level for two games, improving his candidacy for a possible Big 12 Player of the Week award.

[PHXCATS]

The best part of the game yesterday was when the student in game host said “they can’t even decide if they are Wildcats or BearCats. What does that even mean” and the entire arena booed him. asu fans. asu students. The thousands of UA fans. All of them booed that fuck

[TheCat]

I know it's not even a good stat, but interesting 3 of the starters ended up negative in +/-. Believe Townsend had the worst +/- last game. Like Clip said, just not a good player.

Henri leading in +/- two games in a row.

Didn't see anyone complaining about ADO today for his D, so again, not a good stat. Had some good looks too, ball just didn't go in.

More objective data for the “why does Lloyd start these guys?” Bandwagon.

Beyond the +/- take a look at the (lack of) minutes played. Another game that wasn’t for ADO and Townsend, and evidently Awaka as well which was a surprise to me. And if you listed +/- adjusted by time played it would look even worse. ADO was > -1 point per minute he played. Which is awesome in its patheticness.

To reiterate I understand that +/- is a nearly worthless stat, but Lloyd starting 2 guys who can’t play in the majority of Arizona’s games will never make any sense to me.

But, 11-1 !!

Partial story of yesterday’s game might have been something I used to post about long ago. From afar it looked like a game where a fanbase, knowing it was going to be on national TV, on a weekend day, was trying to make itself matter after a long time lost in the desert (technically forever for ASU). And, it seemed the invective from the stands infected the players on the court, and further that the refs didn’t do a good job of policing things (admittedly that may not have been possible).

Thanks to Clip for the 2nd half adjustment breakdown posted above.

I have never met Hurley, but I have heard both that he is a good person off the court and that he and Lloyd have a good/solid relationship. Open to being educated on this but I think some of the comments regarding what kind of person he is outside of game day might be off. As fun as they are to type and read lol.

My new theme for the next 36 hours is Arizona going on the road and putting a beatdown on single booster - paid roster - trying to buy a good team - for a lousy program.

As a quasiblueblood we need to do our part and help to squash the BYUs, St Johns, etc of the world so this phenomenon is as short-lived as possible.

Agree that plus / minus can be deceiving. Tobey I believe had a negative in his best game in an Arizona uniform. The most egregious in buying a team is Rutgers that basketball powerhouse. They have two players that are suppose to be lottery picks on that team. First I don't think they are lottery picks but when they were bought they looked like it.

I really liked Phillips that dumped us at the last minute for Oregon. He has done nothing there and is barely playing and that is not a typical high end Oregon team. I thought he was a can't miss player from the video I saw. You just never know. Carter's development has been steady and his role has grown. He wouldn't get off the court is he played better defense because he can rebound and block shots as well as shoots

While I admit there is plenty of controversy around ADO starting I think his minutes overall are good. I would also tell you 11-1 trumps the controversy (to me). Would like 4 minutes a game to go to Martinez.

This game against BYU will tell me if we can live with success or not. BYU is not a pushover and if our guys are not focussed they will lose. They have a guy I call a junkyard dog that gets points numerous ways. I can see him being a problem but if our defense comes to play I think we will carry the day. Their point guard is a Russian that is 6'10'' but from watching him a couple of games his handles look suspect. Think our guards will be okay.

[azgreg]

Halfway there.

1) Houston 9-1 17-4
2) Arizona 9-1 15-6
3) Texas Tech 8-2 17-4
4) Iowa St 7-3 17-4
5) BYU 6-4 15-6
6) Kansas 6-4 15-6
7) Baylor 6-4 14-7
8) West Virginia 5-5 14-7
9) Central Florida 4-6 13-8
10) Utah 4-6 12-9
11) Texas Christian 4-6 11-10
12) Kansas St 4-6 10-11
13) Arizona St 3-7 12-9
14) Oklahoma St 3-7 11-10
15) Cincinnati 2-8 12-9
16) Colorado 0-10 9-12

[CalStateTempe]

When’s the Houston game?

That’s setting up to be a delicious one.

[CalStateTempe]

Btw why are we still not ranked?

[azgreg]

I don't think this weeks rankings have been released yet.

[Fishclamps]

Btw why are we still not ranked?

New rankings aren't out yet

[CalStateTempe]

Thx

[gouacats]

Cats are in at 20 in both polls.

[azgreg]

Btw why are we still not ranked?

1. Auburn
2. Duke
3. Alabama
4. Tennessee
5. Houston
6. Florida
7. Purdue
8. Iowa State
9. Michigan State
10. Texas A&M
11. Marquette
12. St. John's
13. Texas Tech
14. Kentucky
15. Missouri
16. Kansas
17. Memphis
18. Maryland
19. UConn
20. Arizona
21. Wisconsin
22. Mississippi State
23. Illinois
24. Michigan
25. Ole Miss

Happy now?

[U.P. Zona Fan]

Yes, just above Wisconsin!!

Would be behind them if they counted the Kohl center refs too!

[CalStateTempe]

No, why is Iowa st and Kansas higher?

[Alieberman]

No, why is Iowa st and Kansas higher?

Iowa St was #3 last poll- not dropping that fast…. Kansas being ranked ahead of us is cute though

[Chicat]

Kansas being preseason #1 still has juice. A lot of voters don’t want to admit they were THAT wrong yet.

[U.P. Zona Fan]

If we beat Iowa St in Ames and Kansas in Lawrence and they keep is below, I'll have an issue.