Some final numbers

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:21 pm

Among Pac-12 teams, Arizona:

5th -- Scoring offense
6th -- Scoring defense

5th -- Total offense
10th -- Total defense

4th -- Rushing offense
11th -- Rushing defense

6th -- Passing offense
5th -- Passing defense

Lotta posts about Solomon, and he certainly needs to improve. But defense remains the bigger problem.

We did lead the conference in PAT conversions: 54-54! It was a four-way tie. And we were second in punting. Otherwise, we weren't great at anything else.

That 10-4, 7-3 record is pretty remarkable considering the numbers.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:30 pm

gumby wrote: We did lead the conference in PAT conversions: 54-54! It was a four-way tie. And we were second in punting. Otherwise, we weren't great at anything else.

Not bad for a couple of walk-ons, and not have a designated ST only coach.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:36 pm

So we need less coaching at the other positions.

azthrillhouse · Post by **azthrillhouse** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:08 pm

Are those numbers only for conference games or does it include non-conf, P12champ, bowl, all of the above?

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:45 pm

either way...i'm impressed we won the south and 7 conference games even though we were mediocre to bad in most major categories

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:00 pm

azthrillhouse wrote:Are those numbers only for conference games or does it include non-conf, P12champ, bowl, all of the above?

13 games, so I guess Fiesta Bowl not included.

Daryl Zero · Post by **Daryl Zero** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:06 pm

I don't know how the heck the defense held up this year.
In the losses, the offense was the bigger problem other than the 1st half of the Fiesta Bowl.
I don't count the Oregon (Pac-12 Championship) as a defensive fail because the offense was so bad that the defense was on the field almost the entire game.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:43 pm

gumby wrote:Among Pac-12 teams, Arizona:

5th -- Scoring offense
6th -- Scoring defense

5th -- Total offense
10th -- Total defense

4th -- Rushing offense
11th -- Rushing defense

6th -- Passing offense
5th -- Passing defense

Lotta posts about Solomon, and he certainly needs to improve. But defense remains the bigger problem.

We did lead the conference in PAT conversions: 54-54! It was a four-way tie. And we were second in punting. Otherwise, we weren't great at anything else.

That 10-4, 7-3 record is pretty remarkable considering the numbers.

Overall all those stats are very telling and sum up my thoughts on this years team. Pretty middle of the road and caught some lucky bounces along the way. (cal and UW)

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:52 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
gumby wrote:Among Pac-12 teams, Arizona:

5th -- Scoring offense
6th -- Scoring defense

5th -- Total offense
10th -- Total defense

4th -- Rushing offense
11th -- Rushing defense

6th -- Passing offense
5th -- Passing defense

Lotta posts about Solomon, and he certainly needs to improve. But defense remains the bigger problem.

We did lead the conference in PAT conversions: 54-54! It was a four-way tie. And we were second in punting. Otherwise, we weren't great at anything else.

That 10-4, 7-3 record is pretty remarkable considering the numbers.
Overall all those stats are very telling and sum up my thoughts on this years team. Pretty middle of the road and caught some lucky bounces along the way. (cal and UW)

Dead on accurate. This was a 7-5 UA team which caught two incredibly lucky breaks against Cal/UW and then had the football Gods smile on the UA when they played Oregons 2nd team offensive line in the game at Autzen............just don't tell dc4azcats that!

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:55 pm

We also had a missed fg against usc. Was an 11-1 team as well as a 7-5 team.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:23 am

We did ... after covering an onside kick, while trying to score 10 points in two minutes.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:29 pm

dmjcat wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:
gumby wrote:Among Pac-12 teams, Arizona:

5th -- Scoring offense
6th -- Scoring defense

5th -- Total offense
10th -- Total defense

4th -- Rushing offense
11th -- Rushing defense

6th -- Passing offense
5th -- Passing defense

Lotta posts about Solomon, and he certainly needs to improve. But defense remains the bigger problem.

We did lead the conference in PAT conversions: 54-54! It was a four-way tie. And we were second in punting. Otherwise, we weren't great at anything else.

That 10-4, 7-3 record is pretty remarkable considering the numbers.
Overall all those stats are very telling and sum up my thoughts on this years team. Pretty middle of the road and caught some lucky bounces along the way. (cal and UW)
Dead on accurate. This was a 7-5 UA team which caught two incredibly lucky breaks against Cal/UW and then had the football Gods smile on the UA when they played Oregons 2nd team offensive line in the game at Autzen............just don't tell dc4azcats that!

Because those 2 OL for Oregon also played on the defensive side of the ball? Not to mention that Arizona played without Bundage for most of the game but it was only Oregon's OL that is able to use the excuse of missing a starting OL? Nice try though.

In both the Cal and UW game Arizona took advantage of the opportunities presented to them. I'm not sure if we will ever have another team like this one that played 60 min and expected to win every game regardless of the score. Luck has nothing to do with that. It's all heart and determination.

Most teams would've given up even trying to win the Cal game going into the 4th qtr. Scoring 36 points in a qtr isn't luck.
It's having the will to win and never giving up. 2 or 3 times in the qtr we cut the lead to one score just to have Cal score again, how many teams do you think keep trying to score after that happens? Oh that's right, it's the "lucky" ones who keep playing all 60 min. How many times after missing the 2 pt conversion to tie the game go and get the onside kick? Are we still talking about the "lucky" teams?

In the UW game, Arizona took advantage of the opportunity it had to get the ball back. Did the RB just drop the ball or did Bondurant force the fumble? How many teams in that situation force a fumble? You call it "luck" and I call it determination and a will to win regardless of the situation.

Interesting that you didn't mention the miss FG in the SC game? You also didn't mention how "lucky" we were to win at Wazzu and Utah? Oh and Assu was suppose to crush us because they had the superior D - was that luck as well?

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:38 pm

gumby wrote:We did ... after covering an onside kick, while trying to score 10 points in two minutes.

I get the law of averages aren't in the favor of the kicking team when it comes to recovering an onside kick but at the same time Skowron has proven that he has a knack for kicking the perfect onside kick. He kicked 3 this season and we recovered 2 of them and both got perfect bounces that allowed Arizona to recover them.

If both kicks were like the one in the NM bowl where the receiving team fumbles it then it's about luck as Arizona had nothing to do with the fumble. Recovering it yes, but not causing the fumble. In both the Cal and SC game Skowron made the perfect kick and Arizona recovered it. You can call it luck but when he does it twice in 2 games and it's a perfect kick, I'm not sure at what point you give credit to the skill involved? RR called Skowron the best he had ever seen in kicking the onside kick. He didn't say luckiest, he said the best at making what has to be a perfect kick if you want any chance of recovering it.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:53 pm

gumby wrote:Among Pac-12 teams, Arizona:

5th -- Scoring offense
6th -- Scoring defense

5th -- Total offense
10th -- Total defense

4th -- Rushing offense
11th -- Rushing defense

6th -- Passing offense
5th -- Passing defense

Lotta posts about Solomon, and he certainly needs to improve. But defense remains the bigger problem.

We did lead the conference in PAT conversions: 54-54! It was a four-way tie. And we were second in punting. Otherwise, we weren't great at anything else.

That 10-4, 7-3 record is pretty remarkable considering the numbers.

I'm as big a stat guy as there is but I'm not sure that they mean much on the defensive side of the ball TY for Arizona - especially the ones you listed. How many games TY did we lose because of our Defense? For most of the season we were averaging close to 40 points a game and giving up 26-28 a game. The championship game vs Oregon was the only game we got blown out in TY.

Arizona's D forced 24 turnovers via fumble or int which was 4th in the conference. If memory serves we had a huge differential of how many turnovers we converted into points and on the other end we rarely gave up points off of our own turnovers. Converting turnovers into points and outscoring teams on average by 12 to 14 points is how you win 10 games.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:56 pm

dc4azcats wrote:
dmjcat wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:
gumby wrote:Among Pac-12 teams, Arizona:

5th -- Scoring offense
6th -- Scoring defense

5th -- Total offense
10th -- Total defense

4th -- Rushing offense
11th -- Rushing defense

6th -- Passing offense
5th -- Passing defense

Lotta posts about Solomon, and he certainly needs to improve. But defense remains the bigger problem.

We did lead the conference in PAT conversions: 54-54! It was a four-way tie. And we were second in punting. Otherwise, we weren't great at anything else.

That 10-4, 7-3 record is pretty remarkable considering the numbers.
Overall all those stats are very telling and sum up my thoughts on this years team. Pretty middle of the road and caught some lucky bounces along the way. (cal and UW)
Dead on accurate. This was a 7-5 UA team which caught two incredibly lucky breaks against Cal/UW and then had the football Gods smile on the UA when they played Oregons 2nd team offensive line in the game at Autzen............just don't tell dc4azcats that!
Because those 2 OL for Oregon also played on the defensive side of the ball? Not to mention that Arizona played without Bundage for most of the game but it was only Oregon's OL that is able to use the excuse of missing a starting OL? Nice try though.

In both the Cal and UW game Arizona took advantage of the opportunities presented to them. I'm not sure if we will ever have another team like this one that played 60 min and expected to win every game regardless of the score. Luck has nothing to do with that. It's all heart and determination.

Most teams would've given up even trying to win the Cal game going into the 4th qtr. Scoring 36 points in a qtr isn't luck.
It's having the will to win and never giving up. 2 or 3 times in the qtr we cut the lead to one score just to have Cal score again, how many teams do you think keep trying to score after that happens? Oh that's right, it's the "lucky" ones who keep playing all 60 min. How many times after missing the 2 pt conversion to tie the game go and get the onside kick? Are we still talking about the "lucky" teams?

In the UW game, Arizona took advantage of the opportunity it had to get the ball back. Did the RB just drop the ball or did Bondurant force the fumble? How many teams in that situation force a fumble? You call it "luck" and I call it determination and a will to win regardless of the situation.

Interesting that you didn't mention the miss FG in the SC game? You also didn't mention how "lucky" we were to win at Wazzu and Utah? Oh and Assu was suppose to crush us because they had the superior D - was that luck as well?

"Luck has nothing to do with that. It's all heart and determination"

I see......so it was "Heart and Determination" that resulted in the UW head coach not taking a knee and simply running the clock out???

"Luck has nothing to do with that"..............so the Hail Mary pass against Cal was simply a high percentage play skillfully exectuted????

Do you actually believe anything you write on this board???

Or does your religion involve the copious use of Peyote???

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:05 pm

How did the fumble happen in the UW game? Did it just drop out of his hands?

We had to score 30 points in the 4th qtr alone just to get to the Hail Mary - was all of that luck as well?

Keep trying though - seriously.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:08 pm

Every fan base can look at the numbers and drill down to the woulda, coulda, shouldas. If you only do it for your team, it's an incomplete story. The fact that we NEEDED 36 points in the fourth and a Hail Mary to beat Cal speaks to the defense. Plus some of our numbers were posted against UNLV, UTSA and Nevada. USC controlled the game. UW was a gift, pure and simple.

If the defense improves, we don't need 40 points and desperate rallies. The numbers don't lie. Need to stiffen up, especially against teams that can run it.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:11 pm

gumby wrote:Every fan base can look at the numbers and drill down to the woulda, coulda, shouldas. If you only do it for your team, it's an incomplete story. The fact that we NEEDED 36 points in the fourth and a Hail Mary to beat Cal speaks to the defense. Plus some of our numbers were posted against UNLV, UTSA and Nevada. USC controlled the game. UW was a gift, pure and simple.

If the defense improves, we don't need 40 points and desperate rallies. The numbers don't lie. Need to stiffen up, especially against teams that can run it.

Don't fans usually coulda, woulda, shoulda for the games they lost though? dmjcat laments the wins.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:34 pm

gumby wrote:Every fan base can look at the numbers and drill down to the woulda, coulda, shouldas. If you only do it for your team, it's an incomplete story. The fact that we NEEDED 36 points in the fourth and a Hail Mary to beat Cal speaks to the defense. Plus some of our numbers were posted against UNLV, UTSA and Nevada. USC controlled the game. UW was a gift, pure and simple.

If the defense improves, we don't need 40 points and desperate rallies. The numbers don't lie. Need to stiffen up, especially against teams that can run it.

Disagree.

The D is never going to be a shut down D. Not in the Pac 12 with what you face offensively every week. It's also the nature of the beast that is RR's offense. Show me a team with balance meaning they're in the top half of the conference in both scoring offense and scoring defense and almost always they are a top tier team in the conference. Oregon, USC and Arizona are the only teams that finished in the top 6 of both categories. I don't think that happens by luck.

Look at Stanford TY. Shut down D but couldn't score to save it's life. If Cal had played any kind of D it's a bowl team TY so it's not just about scoring points. If we hold teams on average to 24-28 ppg and we score close to 40 then we will have quite a few 10 plus win seasons. Look at the teams who had the best D in the conference with Stanford who was number #1, UW #4 and Utah who was 5th - they were 11th, 8th and 9th respectively in scoring.

You could argue that SC with where it was in both categories (4th in scoring offense and 3rd in scoring D) should've finished ahead of Arizona who was 5th and 6th in both categories. Difference was Arizona's ability to close out games and SC's failure to do so. They beat Arizona thanks to a missed FG but lost on a Hail Mary to Assu and lost to Utah in the last seconds of the game.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:42 am

dc4azcats wrote:How did the fumble happen in the UW game? Did it just drop out of his hands?

We had to score 30 points in the 4th qtr alone just to get to the Hail Mary - was all of that luck as well?

Keep trying though - seriously.

How did the fumble happen??...........Because the UW coach was too stupid to just take a knee!

Do you understand that???? Let me repeat it again for you......slllllloooooowwwwwlllllllyyyyyyyy

If the UW coach just takes a knee the game is OVER.....regardless of "heart and determination"

Now do you understand?? (I doubt it)

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:51 am

BUT HE DIDN'T AND THAT IS FOOTBALL. Let us know the next time you are right about something because it will be your first time.

7-5
Loss at Wazzu
Loss at Utah
Underdog by Vegas in every game after Cal

Those are the one's off the top of my head and I know their were more not to mention the insane we would have been better off losing the south and playing in a lower tier bowl and watching ASSU win the south comment.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:53 am

azcat49 wrote:BUT HE DIDN'T AND THAT IS FOOTBALL. Let us know the next time you are right about something because it will be your first time.

7-5
Loss at Wazzu
Loss at Utah
Underdog by Vegas in every game after Cal

Those are the one's off the top of my head and I know their were more not to mention the insane we would have been better off losing the south and playing in a lower tier bowl and watching ASSU win the south comment.

New Mexico Bowl last year. Don't give up your day job dmj.

Chris Petersen has a chart. It's a stupid chart, but he followed it. Then Bondo forced a fumble and we recoverd it. How is that luck?

luck noun \ˈlək\
: the things that happen to a person because of chance : the accidental way things happen without being planned

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:47 am

UAEebs86 wrote:
azcat49 wrote:BUT HE DIDN'T AND THAT IS FOOTBALL. Let us know the next time you are right about something because it will be your first time.

7-5
Loss at Wazzu
Loss at Utah
Underdog by Vegas in every game after Cal

Those are the one's off the top of my head and I know their were more not to mention the insane we would have been better off losing the south and playing in a lower tier bowl and watching ASSU win the south comment.
New Mexico Bowl last year. Don't give up your day job dmj.

Chris Petersen has a chart. It's a stupid chart, but he followed it. Then Bondo forced a fumble and we recoverd it. How is that luck?

luck noun \ˈlək\
: the things that happen to a person because of chance : the accidental way things happen without being planned

Hard to know where to start:

1) Never predicted we would go to the New Mexico bowl....I predicted (wrongly) we would go the Las Vegas Bowl. You predicted, wrongly, we would wind up in the Sun Bowl. I merely stated, once again for the 100th time, that the New Mexico bowl was not out of the picture merely because we had been in it the year before..........you still haven't figured that out.

2) I do have a day job and I'm not quitting.......I suspect you survive on a government check.

3) If you don't understand how a coach pulling a really stupid stunt (running the ball when he should have taken a knee) that gives us the ball back when the game should be over is lucky then I can't help you. Even Peterson admitted he screwed up.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 10:11 am

dmjcat wrote:
Hard to know where to start:

1) Never predicted we would go to the New Mexico bowl....I predicted (wrongly) we would go the Las Vegas Bowl. You predicted, wrongly, we would wind up in the Sun Bowl. I merely stated, once again for the 100th time, that the New Mexico bowl was not out of the picture merely because we had been in it the year before..........you still haven't figured that out.

2) I do have a day job and I'm not quitting.......I suspect you survive on a government check.

3) If you don't understand how a coach pulling a really stupid stunt (running the ball when he should have taken a knee) that gives us the ball back when the game should be over is lucky then I can't help you. Even Peterson admitted he screwed up.

dmj,
You are losing your memory. I will pull all the posts from TOS if you like. I said we weren't going to the New Mexico Bowl because neither side wanted the other, and U$C was not going to the Sun Bowl because of the bullshit they pulled the year before. You told me I didn't know anything about how the bowl selection process worked. I offered to bet you anything you wanted, money, sig bet. You chickened out. When you were proven wrong, you never came back and ate any crow. Just like this year when you said we were going to lose to Wazzu because we lost to them last year, and how tough @Utah was going to be and another loss. They ended being the only blowouts we had beside UNLV, one with a backup QB the whole second half in Utah weather. But other than that, you nailed it. Again, you never came back and admitted how completely wrong you were.

Government check. Now that's funny. I am going to use one of the argument enders you learned from Salty.

Merk knows where I work. I am gainfully employed as a technical professional by one of the biggest employers in Tucson. At least I had the class to give you credit for having a job.

And you keep showing over and over how classless you are by trying to call out dc4 in your sig which actually makes zero sense. I've met him, he's a good guy, and actually brings useful information to this board, unlike yourself. When you post info on a recruit, it's usually stale by anyone who follows these things closely.

It's not luck. It's stupid coaching and making plays after that. I posted the definition of luck, but apparently continue to struggle with reading comprehension.
Just like last year when you couldn't correctly read Scheer's post about the NM Bowl chance being "-100%" and you tried to call me out reading it as "100%". Good times.

I noticed throught the season that you posted less and less the better things were going for the 'Cats, and then when things took a turn for the worse, you are back on the board lamenting everything. That's not a fan in my book.

I know you have been following the 'Cats a long time, probably even longer than me and I'm an old-timer by these board standards. I have had my heart broken a hundred times, but a fan continues to have hope. If you are so convinced that we are screwed, and never going to get better, and our recruiting will always suck, to paraphrase Bobby Knight, why don't you lay back and enjoy it? Bitching on the boards does absolutely nothing to change anything.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 10:41 am

UAEebs86 wrote:
dmjcat wrote:
Hard to know where to start:

1) Never predicted we would go to the New Mexico bowl....I predicted (wrongly) we would go the Las Vegas Bowl. You predicted, wrongly, we would wind up in the Sun Bowl. I merely stated, once again for the 100th time, that the New Mexico bowl was not out of the picture merely because we had been in it the year before..........you still haven't figured that out.

2) I do have a day job and I'm not quitting.......I suspect you survive on a government check.

3) If you don't understand how a coach pulling a really stupid stunt (running the ball when he should have taken a knee) that gives us the ball back when the game should be over is lucky then I can't help you. Even Peterson admitted he screwed up.
dmj,
You are losing your memory. I will pull all the posts from TOS if you like. I said we weren't going to the New Mexico Bowl because neither side wanted the other, and U$C was not going to the Sun Bowl because of the bullshit they pulled the year before. You told me I didn't know anything about how the bowl selection process worked. I offered to bet you anything you wanted, money, sig bet. You chickened out. When you were proven wrong, you never came back and ate any crow. Just like this year when you said we were going to lose to Wazzu because we lost to them last year, and how tough @Utah was going to be and another loss. They ended being the only blowouts we had beside UNLV, one with a backup QB the whole second half in Utah weather. But other than that, you nailed it. Again, you never came back and admitted how completely wrong you were.

Government check. Now that's funny. I am going to use one of the argument enders you learned from Salty.
Merk knows where I work. I am gainfully employed as a technical professional by one of the biggest employers in Tucson. At least I had the class to give you credit for having a job.

And you keep showing over and over how classless you are by trying to call out dc4 in your sig which actually makes zero sense. I've met him, he's a good guy, and actually brings useful information to this board, unlike yourself. When you post info on a recruit, it's usually stale by anyone who follows these things closely.

It's not luck. It's stupid coaching and making plays after that. I posted the definition of luck, but apparently continue to struggle with reading comprehension.
Just like last year when you couldn't correctly read Scheer's post about the NM Bowl chance being "-100%" and you tried to call me out reading it as "100%". Good times.

I noticed throught the season that you posted less and less the better things were going for the 'Cats, and then when things took a turn for the worse, you are back on the board lamenting everything. That's not a fan in my book.

I know you have been following the 'Cats a long time, probably even longer than me and I'm an old-timer by these board standards. I have had my heart broken a hundred times, but a fan continues to have hope. If you are so convinced that we are screwed, and never going to get better, and our recruiting will always suck, to paraphrase Bobby Knight, why don't you lay back and enjoy it? Bitching on the boards does absolutely nothing to change anything.

Congratulations on being gainfully employed! I'm glad that I have someone helping me pay for the 49% of the population that is taking a government check.

You better pull the TOS posts because your memory if failing, not mine. You just stated..for the seemingly 100th time, that I predicted we were going to the NM Bowl. (I didn't). I did post a number of prognosticators predictions that showed us going to the NM Bowl..........evidently you misconstrued that as me predicting we were going there. I predicted we were going to the LV Bowl (I was wrong). I posted my prediction that we were going to the LV several times in that thread........You evidently had problems comprehending that.

Regarding "Bitching on the boards" you seem to do a lot of that whenever I post.....take a look in the mirror. I have also never said we are "screwed or not going to get better".............please point out the post where I have stated this (good luck trying to find it)

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 10:52 am

gumby wrote:The fact that we NEEDED 36 points in the fourth and a Hail Mary to beat Cal speaks to the defense.

While I understand what you're saying about the amount of points the defense gave up, a lot of that is on the offense as well. In 12 possessions prior to the fourth quarter, the Cats put up a total of 13 points. One of those possessions ended with an interception in the red zone, and another was a missed FG kick after recovering a fumble at the Cal 8 yard line. Those two possessions alone left 14 points on the field along with the other 10 in that stretch that came up with nothing. (Remember that the Cats had a total of six points at halftime.) If your hurry-up offense is putting up one point per possession over three quarters, you're going to find yourself in a pretty deep hole late in the game.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:26 pm

dmjcat wrote:
dc4azcats wrote:How did the fumble happen in the UW game? Did it just drop out of his hands?

We had to score 30 points in the 4th qtr alone just to get to the Hail Mary - was all of that luck as well?

Keep trying though - seriously.

How did the fumble happen??...........Because the UW coach was too stupid to just take a knee!

Do you understand that???? Let me repeat it again for you......slllllloooooowwwwwlllllllyyyyyyyy

If the UW coach just takes a knee the game is OVER.....regardless of "heart and determination"

Now do you understand?? (I doubt it)

You're the one who doesn't get it. azcat49 pretty much said everything but the fact remains that he didn't take a knee did he? Arizona could have just gone through the motions on that carry but it didn't. What part of that don't you understand?

Again, you're the pitiful Arizona fan who hates it when we win. 7-5

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:55 pm

dc4azcats wrote:
dmjcat wrote:
dc4azcats wrote:How did the fumble happen in the UW game? Did it just drop out of his hands?

We had to score 30 points in the 4th qtr alone just to get to the Hail Mary - was all of that luck as well?

Keep trying though - seriously.

How did the fumble happen??...........Because the UW coach was too stupid to just take a knee!

Do you understand that???? Let me repeat it again for you......slllllloooooowwwwwlllllllyyyyyyyy

If the UW coach just takes a knee the game is OVER.....regardless of "heart and determination"

Now do you understand?? (I doubt it)
You're the one who doesn't get it. azcat49 pretty much said everything but the fact remains that he didn't take a knee did he? Arizona could have just gone through the motions on that carry but it didn't. What part of that don't you understand?

Again, you're the pitiful Arizona fan who hates it when we win. 7-5

Yes, the Washington coach didn't call for the victory formation......The UA was incredibly LUCKY that the UW coach had a brain clot and ran the ball........What part of that don't you understand?????

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:18 pm

I took a look at the UDub message board after the game. I didn't see one poster say Arizona got lucky. Coach P. was an idiot, RB should have two hands on the ball, bad call, yes. Luck, no.

Luck is a roll of the dice, not being outcoached and outhit at the end of a a game. Chris Petersen's chart was followed to a T. Bad chart, not bad luck.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:34 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:I took a look at the UDub message board after the game. I didn't see one poster say Arizona got lucky. Coach P. was an idiot, RB should have two hands on the ball, bad call, yes. Luck, no.

Luck is a roll of the dice, not being outcoached and outhit at the end of a game. Chris Petersen's chart was followed to a T. Bad chart, not bad luck.

Ding, ding, ding!! We have a winner!!

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:36 pm

Another thing about the "luck" factor - even though Arizona found themselves with a chance to win some of these games that they converted on, the fact remains that they still have to seize that chance they got and cash it in. How many times over the Stoops/Mackovic years did we see the door get cracked open for the Cats and they weren't able to take advantage? Good teams win when you don't put them away when you have a chance. It doesn't matter how lucky you are if you aren't able to make the plays when you get the opportunity.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:58 am

UAEebs86 wrote:I took a look at the UDub message board after the game. I didn't see one poster say Arizona got lucky. Coach P. was an idiot, RB should have two hands on the ball, bad call, yes. Luck, no.

Luck is a roll of the dice, not being outcoached and outhit at the end of a a game. Chris Petersen's chart was followed to a T. Bad chart, not bad luck.

Arizona was lucky he had a bad chart.

I don't know why this is so complicated. If you're 11th in rushing defense, and you give up a lot of yards on the ground in your losses, that's a fertile area for improvement. Sure, it would be swell if the offense didn't bog down -- true for all teams -- but it still finished higher than the defense. More three and outs and more stops on third down = more possessions.

Pretty sure if we were 11th in rushing, we'd want to shore that up. Wouldn't even be controversial. But 11th in stopping it? Well, you see, it's complicated.

Oregon, 301
UCLA, 271
USC, 230
Boise State, 162.

Four losses. Better offense would've helped. Along with better defense. Doesn't have to be shutdown. Just better.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:48 am

Football Outsiders has a total defensive efficiency rating called 'S&P+' which has us rated at 45th nationally, as opposed to our dismal 103rd rating in total defense: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaadef

If you look at points allowed per play, which takes out a bit of the game's pace, we're doing pretty well at 36th nationally: http://www.teamrankings.com/college-foo ... s-per-play. Rushing yards allowed per play? 46th. Yards allowed per pass attempt? We rank 90th. Yikes. I know where I would focus my efforts in the off season.

So yeah, there's room to improve, but I think the total defense and yards allowed rankings are a little misleading.

Catstatic · Post by **Catstatic** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:00 am

Numbers aside, and simply watching the teams on the field, Arizona was blown out in one game (Pac 12 championship) and physically dominated in one game (Washington). Next closest bad game was at UCLA, but I still believe the primary problem in that game was the UCLA DB's got into our receivers' heads. How our guy got kicked out of that game when their safety absolutely destroyed Hill with a blow to the head I will never know. Regardless, our receivers dropped an incredible number of passes that absolutely killed drives, and yet our guys never quit.

Every other game our guys were equal to or dominated their opponent. Cal was Solomon's first Pac 12 game. The first 3 quarters he played like a freshman. The last quarter is in the history books. USC? We played without Wilson and Jones-Grigsby when he was blown up as the Cats were going in for a TD. Lots of things fell right for USC that game, and the Cats still had a chance at the end.

Every game has "lucky" bounces of the ball. To argue who is more lucky is ridiculous. Only thing that matters is how did the team perform on the field. Were they competitive and did they have a chance. Only game our guys were out of in the 4th quarter was Oregon a few weeks ago. Well, welcome to the club. No shame in that.

Love this team!!

Go Cats!!

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:32 pm

While what you say is true regarding the final outcome, Catstatic, the fact remains that Arizona continues to get not only blown away in the trenches but beaten so badly on line recruiting we're rationalizing the future as a Pac-12 South champ.

Just flabbergasts me how there is no impetus to capitalize on our success. Call it luck, call it skill, call it scheme, whatever--but for Heaven's sake, use it in the living rooms to your advantage with line recruits.

It's like we're all conceding that we're never going to be able to recruit size with the rest of the conference, no matter what results on the field RichRod can wring out. Terribly discouraging.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:36 am

Don't you think you're jumping the gun a bit?

Besides, our 'success' doesn't sound all that successful if you're an 18 year old. 'Hey, we're the reigning Pac-12 South Champions! (Who just dropped their last two games)' What exactly do you expect that kind of success to lead to recruiting-wise? I mean it's pretty historic success if you're a UA fan, but I'm guessing most of the stud OL and DL recruits are most certainly not die hard Arizona fans...

Catstatic · Post by **Catstatic** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:21 pm

What I see is RR beating teams littered with higher rated players. As we all know, RR and staff get out early and go after the guys they feel will fit at Arizona. Would I like higher rated players? Sure, as long as they fit what RR and staff need.

The only troubling thing I saw this year was that Anu seemed to regress, especially against BSU. When he looked anywhere other than short and right, the offense was unstoppable. Problem was, he looked to throw short and right seemingly 90% of the time. Still scratching my head over that one. It seemed he was highly anxious, which was very unusual for him. However, I have absolutely no doubt that RR and Anu will correct this for next year, and he will have an outstanding sophomore season.

It would be nice to get higher rated linemen, but honestly how could you ask for a better run game than the Cats have shown? From Ka'Deem tearing up the record books, to BJ breaking QB rushing records, to Wilson running for more yards than any freshman ever at Arizona ... RR knows the spread (run) offense.

The defense is improving. Scooby is the most decorated Arizona player ever. We have some studs coming off their redshirt year. My #1 hope for this team: shut down corners. If and when that happens, watch out.

Go Cats!!

Carcassdragger · Post by **Carcassdragger** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:56 am

If the staff tries it, and if Neal embraces it and gets his head into the position, I think he has the potential to be a shutdown corner.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:54 pm

Catstatic wrote:What I see is RR beating teams littered with higher rated players. As we all know, RR and staff get out early and go after the guys they feel will fit at Arizona. Would I like higher rated players? Sure, as long as they fit what RR and staff need.

The only troubling thing I saw this year was that Anu seemed to regress, especially against BSU. When he looked anywhere other than short and right, the offense was unstoppable. Problem was, he looked to throw short and right seemingly 90% of the time. Still scratching my head over that one. It seemed he was highly anxious, which was very unusual for him. However, I have absolutely no doubt that RR and Anu will correct this for next year, and he will have an outstanding sophomore season.

It would be nice to get higher rated linemen, but honestly how could you ask for a better run game than the Cats have shown? From Ka'Deem tearing up the record books, to BJ breaking QB rushing records, to Wilson running for more yards than any freshman ever at Arizona ... RR knows the spread (run) offense.

The defense is improving. Scooby is the most decorated Arizona player ever. We have some studs coming off their redshirt year. My #1 hope for this team: shut down corners. If and when that happens, watch out.

Go Cats!!

Defense:

2013 -- 24.2 points and 401 ypg.
2014 -- 28.2, and 451 ypg.

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