Kansas

1stNGrant Frys · Post by **1stNGrant Frys** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:57 pm

enfuego wrote:
Bear Down Vegas wrote:My wife made me flip between the Lions Cowboys game yesterday to watch her Rebels. I kept telling her they were going to lose by 30 but we could watch it if she insisted.

UNLV up 4 at halftime & they only thing I could think of is - boy enfuego must be white knuckling like crazy that his team finds a way to play to their level in the second half. Congrats buddy - big win!
Thanks, buddy. A good win by my under rated Jayhawks. Clearly, UNLV would win the Pac-12 conference.

Enfuego for mod of Arch Rivals!

az91 · Post by **az91** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:24 am

enfuego wrote:
Bear Down Vegas wrote:My wife made me flip between the Lions Cowboys game yesterday to watch her Rebels. I kept telling her they were going to lose by 30 but we could watch it if she insisted.

UNLV up 4 at halftime & they only thing I could think of is - boy enfuego must be white knuckling like crazy that his team finds a way to play to their level in the second half. Congrats buddy - big win!
Thanks, buddy. A good win by my under rated Jayhawks. Clearly, UNLV would win the Pac-12 conference.

That was the greatest win in the history of Kansas basketball.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:05 pm

18 points in the 1st half vs Baylor

Kansas is an offensive juggernaut

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:12 pm

At this point of the game, 4 of the 5 KU starters are 1/5 or worse LOL

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:27 pm

Conference road win against a top 25 team.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:34 pm

enfuego wrote:Conference road win against a top 25 team.

Scoreboard over what? You still get blown out regularly.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:04 pm

enfuego wrote:Conference road win against a top 25 team.

Is that a Top 25 team in next week's polls?

Speaking of scoreboards, the one at the Wells Fargo Center in Philly on Dec. 22nd sure looked pretty. Unless you are a Jayhawks fan of course.

salim'sheadband · Post by **salim'sheadband** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:31 pm

Go get Tyler Dorsey Kansas! Counting on you.

Post by **UAdevil** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:47 pm

So...

Utah loses to KU, at KU, by 3 all while missing a key starter...

Utah loses by 18 to Arizona with said starter back in their lineup...

Post by **UAdevil** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:53 pm

lol @ Self totally throwing his PG under the bus before quickly backtracking at the half interview... paraphrasing "We'll be ok if our point guard runs what we tell him..."

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:11 pm

let's go cyclones!

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:49 pm

UAdevil wrote:So...

Utah loses to KU, at KU, by 3 all while missing a key starter...

Utah loses by 18 to Arizona with said starter back in their lineup...

enflamo will be in shortly to tell you it was a "neutral" court in Kansas City.

Does this mean Arizona would win the Big 12 fuegs?

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:00 pm

One thing for sure, the Mayor has shown he is the best coach in that conference.

Amazing how the players have tuned Self out. They no longer go to KU because he is coach and they believe he can make them better(thus why they are tuning him out).

They don't run his sets (see his first half comments) and they have stopped playing defense, once a Self coached team trademark (see blowout losses)

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:08 pm

Temple lost by 31 to a mediocre Cincinnati team today

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:13 pm

Kansas losing is the cherry on top of an already great night.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:19 pm

enfuego wrote:Conference road win against a top 25 team.

Heh

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:51 am

Iowa State would win the Pac-12. No shame in losing a close game on the road to the #11 team in the country. Who is your next top 25 opponent?

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:08 am

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:29 am

enfuego wrote:Iowa State would win the Pac-12. No shame in losing a close game on the road to the #11 team in the country. Who is your next top 25 opponent?

Speaking of rankings, Arizona is now in that magic window that every national champion since 2003 except UConn has had at season's end: top 20 in both AdjD and AdjO. Having passed mid-January, we now know who the real contenders are to date. How is Kansas doing on that? Or should we focus this discussion on the meaning and implications of Kenpom's SOS?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:08 am

enfuego wrote:Iowa State would win the Pac-12. No shame in losing a close game on the road to the #11 team in the country. Who is your next top 25 opponent?

Enjoy trying to survive that 5/12 matchup in the tourney.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:31 am

KU is terrible. No resolve, won't play defense, has tuned out its coach. No PG to run there sets that there coach begs for. A shell of a program it once was. Sad really

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:32 am

Only enfuego would brag about losing.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:37 am

azcat49 wrote:KU is terrible. No resolve, won't play defense, has tuned out its coach. No PG to run there sets that there coach begs for. A shell of a program it once was. Sad really

Maybe I'm forgetting how to post in an enfuego thread, but Kansas has a really strong AdjD rating, hasn't tuned out Self, and has had no break from being a top program and is currently one of the best teams in the country.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:45 am

Longhorned wrote:
azcat49 wrote:KU is terrible. No resolve, won't play defense, has tuned out its coach. No PG to run there sets that there coach begs for. A shell of a program it once was. Sad really
Maybe I'm forgetting how to post in an enfuego thread, but Kansas has a really strong AdjD rating, hasn't tuned out Self, and has had no break from being a top program and is currently one of the best teams in the country.

40th in AdjD is "really strong"?

Iowa State is ranked even lower than KU. And yet somehow they held the Fighting Self Hairpieces to 42.7% shooting.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:39 am

Respectfully disagree LH. They continually give up penetration and close poorly on shooters. When they play talrnted teams they struggle percentage wise.

Self said his PG wasn't listening and was basically running what he wanted, not what the staff wanted. It just seems to me those kids are made up of a few elite 1 and dones and some middle tier guys. It used to be Self had NBA guys sitting on the bench.

KU is still elite as a program and as a fan base but somethins isn't right in Jayhawk land and it hasn't been for the last 3-4 years. To me, Self just doesn't look as in control or commanding.

az91 · Post by **az91** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:42 am

Kansas is still trying to recover from losing the best player in the history of their program: Naadir Tharpe.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:46 am

Longhorned wrote:
azcat49 wrote:KU is terrible. No resolve, won't play defense, has tuned out its coach. No PG to run there sets that there coach begs for. A shell of a program it once was. Sad really
Maybe I'm forgetting how to post in an enfuego thread, but Kansas has a really strong AdjD rating, hasn't tuned out Self, and has had no break from being a top program and is currently one of the best teams in the country.

Pretty sure LH is doing his best Iraqi Information Minister impression, guys. Not serious.

I still think that, as a team, Arizona would destroy the rest of the Pac-12 and handle KU this season even at the Phog.

As a team, Arizona is one of the top three in the land. Trouble is that the Cats so seldom play as one, they've eliminated much of their margin of error for a 1 seed in the West.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:56 pm

Chicat wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
azcat49 wrote:KU is terrible. No resolve, won't play defense, has tuned out its coach. No PG to run there sets that there coach begs for. A shell of a program it once was. Sad really
Maybe I'm forgetting how to post in an enfuego thread, but Kansas has a really strong AdjD rating, hasn't tuned out Self, and has had no break from being a top program and is currently one of the best teams in the country.
40th in AdjD is "really strong"?

Iowa State is ranked even lower than KU. And yet somehow they held the Fighting Self Hairpieces to 42.7% shooting.

Out of 351 NCAA Division 1 teams? Yes. I call top-50 teams really strong. Top-100 teams are just strong. I keep the same qualifiers for AdjO and AdjD ratings.

Teams in the top 20 in both categories I call "elite". There are only four of those. Arizona is one of them. Kansas isn't.

And while Kansas can hold their own and beat a team like Utah by 3 points, they're in danger of getting blown out by teams that aren't remotely strong. Which reminds me: TCU is coming up on that schedule. Enfuego should worry about, not when then next top-25 team is on the calendar.

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:57 pm

Longhorned wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
azcat49 wrote:KU is terrible. No resolve, won't play defense, has tuned out its coach. No PG to run there sets that there coach begs for. A shell of a program it once was. Sad really
Maybe I'm forgetting how to post in an enfuego thread, but Kansas has a really strong AdjD rating, hasn't tuned out Self, and has had no break from being a top program and is currently one of the best teams in the country.
40th in AdjD is "really strong"?

Iowa State is ranked even lower than KU. And yet somehow they held the Fighting Self Hairpieces to 42.7% shooting.
Out of 351 NCAA Division 1 teams? Yes. I call top-50 teams really strong. Top-100 teams are just strong. I keep the same qualifiers for AdjO and AdjD ratings.

Teams in the top 20 in both categories I call "elite". There are only four of those. Arizona is one of them. Kansas isn't.

And while Kansas can hold their own and beat a team like Utah by 3 points, they're in danger of getting blown out by teams that aren't remotely strong. Which reminds me: TCU is coming up on that schedule. Enfuego should worry about, not when then next top-25 team is on the calendar.

It is easy to put up good offense and defense stats against the 146th strongest schedule. Apples and oranges trying to compare Arizona's stats against Kansas's with the 11th strongest schedule.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:15 pm

Kansas iss the best program and has arguably the best talent in the conference, Just like AZ does. What Kansas has to do is show it wants to be the best team in that conference and in there biggest conference moment they didn't, unlike AZ

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:49 pm

enfuego wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
azcat49 wrote:KU is terrible. No resolve, won't play defense, has tuned out its coach. No PG to run there sets that there coach begs for. A shell of a program it once was. Sad really
Maybe I'm forgetting how to post in an enfuego thread, but Kansas has a really strong AdjD rating, hasn't tuned out Self, and has had no break from being a top program and is currently one of the best teams in the country.
40th in AdjD is "really strong"?

Iowa State is ranked even lower than KU. And yet somehow they held the Fighting Self Hairpieces to 42.7% shooting.
Out of 351 NCAA Division 1 teams? Yes. I call top-50 teams really strong. Top-100 teams are just strong. I keep the same qualifiers for AdjO and AdjD ratings.

Teams in the top 20 in both categories I call "elite". There are only four of those. Arizona is one of them. Kansas isn't.

And while Kansas can hold their own and beat a team like Utah by 3 points, they're in danger of getting blown out by teams that aren't remotely strong. Which reminds me: TCU is coming up on that schedule. Enfuego should worry about, not when then next top-25 team is on the calendar.
It is easy to put up good offense and defense stats against the 146th strongest schedule. Apples and oranges trying to compare Arizona's stats against Kansas's with the 11th strongest schedule.

Your smack would be stronger if you tried to brag about Kansas's #4 Kenpom ranking for "Luck", or even to claim that Kansas is the UConn of 2015 that might just be a contender despite all numbers to the contrary. How do you think Kenpom's algorithm works for the SOS? You think there are 145 teams that have played a stronger schedule than Arizona? And there are 135 teams between Arizona and Kansas? Ken Pomeroy is the first to say that RPI (which is a flawed measure) is more useful as a raw number than the Kenpom SOS removed from the algorithm. You'll notice that Kansas has an RPI of 3, and Arizona has an RPI of 6. What a shameful RPI for Arizona, right? The Kenpom SOS takes the opponents' AdjO and AdjD as estimates against the average D1 team. If you can show us any literature about the meaningfulness or predictability of that number, please go right ahead. Instead, it's the Pythagorean that provides the total ranked ratings (yes, that's an actual compound term for Kenpom's data set), and the AdjO and AdjD that show the meaningful pattern for expected contenders (except for UConn 2014).

Katzenfreund · Post by **Katzenfreund** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:01 am

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:39 am

enfuego wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
azcat49 wrote:KU is terrible. No resolve, won't play defense, has tuned out its coach. No PG to run there sets that there coach begs for. A shell of a program it once was. Sad really
Maybe I'm forgetting how to post in an enfuego thread, but Kansas has a really strong AdjD rating, hasn't tuned out Self, and has had no break from being a top program and is currently one of the best teams in the country.
40th in AdjD is "really strong"?

Iowa State is ranked even lower than KU. And yet somehow they held the Fighting Self Hairpieces to 42.7% shooting.
Out of 351 NCAA Division 1 teams? Yes. I call top-50 teams really strong. Top-100 teams are just strong. I keep the same qualifiers for AdjO and AdjD ratings.

Teams in the top 20 in both categories I call "elite". There are only four of those. Arizona is one of them. Kansas isn't.

And while Kansas can hold their own and beat a team like Utah by 3 points, they're in danger of getting blown out by teams that aren't remotely strong. Which reminds me: TCU is coming up on that schedule. Enfuego should worry about, not when then next top-25 team is on the calendar.
It is easy to put up good offense and defense stats against the 146th strongest schedule. Apples and oranges trying to compare Arizona's stats against Kansas's with the 11th strongest schedule.

Interesting, according to BPI

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi

Kentucky is #1, with a SOS of 85
Arizona is #6, with a SOS of 55 (hint: that's better than 85, the team that smoked Kansas)
Kansas is #9, with a SOS of 1

Another interesting observation, Arizona's SOS is stronger than every team ahead: Kentucky, Virginia, Gonzaga, Villanova, and Wiscy.

Maybe Self needs to stop making the schedule with ^^ ^^ toothless ^^ ^^ ^ colored glasses, and recognize his teams just aren't strong enough to handle SOS 1.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:35 pm

Kansas up by 19 at halftime vs Oklahoma.

Kansas is the real deal.

Anybody even bothering to watch the 2nd half?

azcat34 · Post by **azcat34** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:45 pm

enfuego wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
azcat49 wrote:KU is terrible. No resolve, won't play defense, has tuned out its coach. No PG to run there sets that there coach begs for. A shell of a program it once was. Sad really
Maybe I'm forgetting how to post in an enfuego thread, but Kansas has a really strong AdjD rating, hasn't tuned out Self, and has had no break from being a top program and is currently one of the best teams in the country.
40th in AdjD is "really strong"?

Iowa State is ranked even lower than KU. And yet somehow they held the Fighting Self Hairpieces to 42.7% shooting.
Out of 351 NCAA Division 1 teams? Yes. I call top-50 teams really strong. Top-100 teams are just strong. I keep the same qualifiers for AdjO and AdjD ratings.

Teams in the top 20 in both categories I call "elite". There are only four of those. Arizona is one of them. Kansas isn't.

And while Kansas can hold their own and beat a team like Utah by 3 points, they're in danger of getting blown out by teams that aren't remotely strong. Which reminds me: TCU is coming up on that schedule. Enfuego should worry about, not when then next top-25 team is on the calendar.
It is easy to put up good offense and defense stats against the 146th strongest schedule. Apples and oranges trying to compare Arizona's stats against Kansas's with the 11th strongest schedule.

Did you have tears in your eyes when they raised the OOC SOS National Title banner at Allen Fieldhouse this year?

Always such an emotional night at KU.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:53 pm

Alieberman wrote:Kansas up by 19 at halftime vs Oklahoma.

Kansas is the real deal.

Anybody even bothering to watch the 2nd half?

No reason. Just like that Packers game.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:54 pm

Alieberman wrote:Kansas up by 19 at halftime vs Oklahoma.

Kansas is the real deal.

Anybody even bothering to watch the 2nd half?

I am. Kansas got bored again.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:56 pm

Longhorned wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Kansas up by 19 at halftime vs Oklahoma.

Kansas is the real deal.

Anybody even bothering to watch the 2nd half?
I am. Kansas got bored again.

I was assured Kansas knew how to put teams away.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:57 pm

Longhorned wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Kansas up by 19 at halftime vs Oklahoma.

Kansas is the real deal.

Anybody even bothering to watch the 2nd half?
I am. Kansas got bored again.

Kansas is under-rated. Beating #19 Oklahoma by 19 at half. Kansas is ready for the final 4.

CBCat · Post by **CBCat** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:11 pm

did kansas lose?

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:14 pm

CBCat wrote:did kansas lose?

No, they just won. Oklahoma did come all the way back and at 1 point was up by 4 but Kansas pulled it out in the last 2 minutes.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:18 pm

Alieberman wrote:
CBCat wrote:did kansas lose?

No, they just won. Oklahoma did come all the way back and at 1 point was up by 4 but Kansas pulled it out in the last 2 minutes.

Damn, I hat when that happens (KU wins)

....Then again, I'm no big fan of the Okies either.....still would have preferred them beating KU at KU though.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:00 am

Alieberman wrote:
CBCat wrote:did kansas lose?

No, they just won. Oklahoma did come all the way back and at 1 point was up by 4 but Kansas pulled it out in the last 2 minutes.

Turned it around suddenly on one no-call over-the-back offensive rebound of a missed FT, resulting in an open 3. We confirmed that teams are never out of it when playing behind against Kansas, and we learned two new things:

1) Oklahoma would win the PAC-12

2) Kansas would foul out in the PAC-12

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:10 am

So count this as a loss - home cooking.

#enfuegologic

CBCat · Post by **CBCat** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:52 am

Longhorned wrote:
Alieberman wrote:
CBCat wrote:did kansas lose?

No, they just won. Oklahoma did come all the way back and at 1 point was up by 4 but Kansas pulled it out in the last 2 minutes.
Turned it around suddenly on one no-call over-the-back offensive rebound of a missed FT, resulting in an open 3. We confirmed that teams are never out of it when playing behind against Kansas, and we learned two new things:

1) Oklahoma would win the PAC-12

2) Kansas would foul out in the PAC-12

lmao

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:14 am

Cliff Alexander, top power forward recruit. He's giving them 8 points and 6 boards a game.

He'd get 4 and 3 at Arizona.

#enfuegologic

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:37 am

Oregon State would win the Big12.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:49 am

#17 kenpom. Just for laughs, Oklahoma is #10.

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:36 pm

It's hard to gauge where Kansas is comparative to Arizona this far into the season, from the simple fact that outside of Gonzaga (which should have won that game but for the two bad end of regulation calls against them, which handed Arizona the overtime opportunity) you have not played an NCAA tournament caliber team. Of course, Arizona would look good playing against potential NIT, at best, teams and of course, Kansas is going to look vulnerable playing top 25 teams night in and night out in the gauntlet which is the Big 12.

I guess we could point to the Utah game, but we could also point to the Oregon State or UNLV games as well. And really, do we want to look into that mirror?

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:44 pm

enfuego wrote:It's hard to gauge where Kansas is comparative to Arizona this far into the season, from the simple fact that outside of Gonzaga (which should have won that game but for the two bad end of regulation calls against them, which handed Arizona the overtime opportunity) you have not played an NCAA tournament caliber team. Of course, Arizona would look good playing against potential NIT, at best, teams and of course, Kansas is going to look vulnerable playing top 25 teams night in and night out in the gauntlet which is the Big 12.

I guess we could point to the Utah game, but we could also point to the Oregon State or UNLV games as well. And really, do we want to look into that mirror?

On the other hand, it's very easy to see where Kansas is against NCAA tourney-calibre teams. Since the best team that Kansas has played after Kentucky is Utah (unless it's Iowa State, which Kansas lost to), and Arizona hasn't played any NCAA tourney-calibre teams except for Gonzaga, then that 32 point loss will have to serve as the gauge. After all, you just set the rules, enfuego.

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