Bear Down Wildcats

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:15 pm**

When you're an Arizona fan, as I've been for 40 years now, you see alot of bad teams. Not sure I've ever seen our program in worse shape.

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:16 pm**

Worst loss in the worst season during the worst losing streak in 120 years. Cheers to 2020 everyone!

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:17 pm**

Heeke needs to go. He hired this guy. He can leave town with him.

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:30 pm**

Chicat wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:17 pm Heeke needs to go. He hired this guy. He can leave town with him.

Yup. Get Heeke outta here

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:30 pm**

Robbins, Heeke, and Sumlin can all go. Let's really clean house.

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Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:20 pm**

Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:34 pm
I was Team Niumatalolo and I'd literally kiss his feet if he'd consider us right now.

"But,but,but...Sumlin can bring in the elite level recruits!"

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:27 pm**

Macho Grande wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:20 pm
Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:34 pm
I was Team Niumatalolo and I'd literally kiss his feet if he'd consider us right now.

"But,but,but...Sumlin can bring in the elite level recruits!"

That was the 2018 mindset. Obviously no one thinks that now.

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:33 pm**

So....how do you guys feel about Sark?

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:35 pm**

Doesn’t Sark drink as much as Sumlin?

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:37 pm**

As OC? Sounds good!

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:39 pm**

ChooChooCat wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:33 pm So....how do you guys feel about Sark?

Shut the program down.

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:40 pm**

Alieberman wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:35 pm Doesn’t Sark drink as much as Sumlin?

Robbins/Heeke sure have a type don’t they? Sark has been clean for awhile though I believe. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:47 pm**

Another retread. Stop insulting our intelligence.

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:52 pm**

catgrad97 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:47 pm Another retread. Stop insulting our intelligence.

Wasn’t impressed with him at all at UW, didn’t have a long enough run to judge at USC, anyone can run a quality offense with Bama’s talent. We’re going to hire him and go 0-4 against ASU.

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:55 pm**

DrWildcat wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:32 pm
cordera89 wrote:You fools, Ask this question.

How do we go from 7 win team in 17? to two straight losing season?

How does Sumlin and Mazzone screw up Khalil Tate in Two season.

Let me put some fire into this insult. RR won with less talent and incapable Defense. Sumlin couldn't muster to win with less talent and incapable defense.
Its funny that you think Tate is/was a good QB. Maybe he was good 2 years ago when he played RB but he was never a legit QB. Beside, he is scared to get hit now so he would probably even suck in the RR offense at this point.

RR got us into this mess with his horrible recruiting and so far Sumlin has done nothing to fix it.

Oh i really want you to explain that one. How is it RR fault? I mean he did rebound from a terrible season in 2016 by going 3-9 and rebound to 7 win season and bowl berth? If you want really want to go there It all being consistent. Arizona football is not a powerhouse that win 10-12 game a year. Arizona football is consistent on 7-8 game a year. If you want to shit on RR because you though Sumlin was going to do better? RR got the last laugh never should of fired him.

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:57 pm**

ASUHATER! wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:27 pm Liiike what. Our last coach was having an affair. I assume it's that Sumlin is known to be at least a couple drinks in all the time?

DId our last coach get arrested or put on trial or was allegation complete BS.

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:58 pm**

ASUHATER! wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:17 pm Need to hire a guy from a Conference USA or Mountain West school that has had a few good years.

Like who?

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:00 pm**

cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:58 pm
ASUHATER! wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:17 pm Need to hire a guy from a Conference USA or Mountain West school that has had a few good years.
Like who?

Jay Norvell.

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:07 pm**

ChooChooCat wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:00 pm
cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:58 pm
ASUHATER! wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:17 pm Need to hire a guy from a Conference USA or Mountain West school that has had a few good years.
Like who?
Jay Norvell.

Jay Norvell? I know you can do better than that. He not ready for Pac 12.

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:33 pm**

ChooChooCat wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:52 pm
catgrad97 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:47 pm Another retread. Stop insulting our intelligence.
Wasn’t impressed with him at all at UW, didn’t have a long enough run to judge at USC, anyone can run a quality offense with Bama’s talent. We’re going to hire him and go 0-4 against ASU.

I will officially burn my alumni card if that happens, because that would be conclusive proof that Arizona football, administratively, all the way up to the top, is run by people who don't have a clue about winning--and, more to the point, don't care.

I mean, even Scheer is still bandying about RichRod's name on Twitter after tonight's embarrassment.

Why do you want the program you cover to literally immerse itself deeper in the feedback loop hell of fired former head coaches? Is there literally anybody left in Tucson smart enough to think outside that box and even SUGGEST the chance that needs to be taken to save this program?

Or is it up to just posters on this board to push Jay Norvell, Ken Niumatalolo or some other last hopes to douse this dumpster fire? Because you're not accomplishing jack sh*t from your armchair talking about what this or that former D-I coach can do at Arizona.

Steve Sarkisian...yeah, just keep blowing donor millions out the window, Heeke and Robbins. We haven't had enough of these carpetbaggers since Mackovic. Kiss my fandom permanently goodbye at that point.

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:42 pm**

Bryan Harsin?

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:47 pm**

catgrad97 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:33 pm
ChooChooCat wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:52 pm
catgrad97 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:47 pm Another retread. Stop insulting our intelligence.
Wasn’t impressed with him at all at UW, didn’t have a long enough run to judge at USC, anyone can run a quality offense with Bama’s talent. We’re going to hire him and go 0-4 against ASU.
I will officially burn my alumni card if that happens, because that would be conclusive proof that Arizona football, administratively, all the way up to the top, is run by people who don't have a clue about winning--and, more to the point, don't care.

I mean, even Scheer is still bandying about RichRod's name on Twitter after tonight's embarrassment.

Why do you want the program you cover to literally immerse itself deeper in the feedback loop hell of fired former head coaches? Is there literally anybody left in Tucson smart enough to think outside that box and even SUGGEST the chance that needs to be taken to save this program?

Or is it up to just posters on this board to push Jay Norvell, Ken Niumatalolo or some other last hopes to douse this dumpster fire? Because you're not accomplishing jack sh*t from your armchair talking about what this or that former D-I coach can do at Arizona.

Steve Sarkisian...yeah, just keep blowing donor millions out the window, Heeke and Robbins. We haven't had enough of these carpetbaggers since Mackovic. Kiss my fandom permanently goodbye at that point.

So how is it embarrassment that Scheer still bandying about RR>

Here one, How did we go from RR with 5 of 6 winning season to Sumlin that end up with Three straight losing season.

That not embarrassment, That a slap in the face.

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:48 pm**

TatetheGreat wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:42 pm Bryan Harsin?

Is he willing to leave Boise State for UA?

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:50 pm**

TatetheGreat wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:42 pm Bryan Harsin?

Now you're talking. Nobody in their right mind gives a red cent about RichRod coaching football anywhere near Tucson again.

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:54 pm**

cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:48 pm
TatetheGreat wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:42 pm Bryan Harsin?
Is he willing to leave Boise State for UA?

Only one way to find out. He might want to leave home for a Power 5 job doubling his salary.

Posted: **Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:58 pm**

catgrad97 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:50 pm
TatetheGreat wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:42 pm Bryan Harsin?
Now you're talking. Nobody in their right mind gives a red cent about RichRod coaching football anywhere near Tucson again.

I think he still lives in Tucson but no way in hell would he get the job back.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:01 am**

cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:47 pm Here one, How did we go from RR with 5 of 6 winning season to Sumlin that end up with Three straight losing season.

RR’s shitty recruiting is mostly responsible for the first two.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:05 am**

cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:07 pm
ChooChooCat wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:00 pm
cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:58 pm
ASUHATER! wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:17 pm Need to hire a guy from a Conference USA or Mountain West school that has had a few good years.
Like who?
Jay Norvell.
Jay Norvell? I know you can do better than that. He not ready for Pac 12.

The San Jose State coach seems like a good option too.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:23 am**

ChooChooCat wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:05 am
cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:07 pm
ChooChooCat wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:00 pm
cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:58 pm
ASUHATER! wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:17 pm Need to hire a guy from a Conference USA or Mountain West school that has had a few good years.
Like who?
Jay Norvell.
Jay Norvell? I know you can do better than that. He not ready for Pac 12.
The San Jose State coach seems like a good option too.

Amazingly Brent Brennan was a GA here in 2000. He is also the brother of Brad Brennan. Also coached under Tomey at San Jose St and Rich Ellerson at Cal Poly. Not sure he has done enough yet to warrant this job but definitely some interesting connections. 6-0 at San Jose St is an impressive feat.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:28 am**

Hire him and let’s start paying recruits more than whatever USC pays.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:47 am**

Yikes

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:38 am**

Chicat wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:01 am
cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:47 pm Here one, How did we go from RR with 5 of 6 winning season to Sumlin that end up with Three straight losing season.
RR’s shitty recruiting is mostly responsible for the first two.

I dont think recruiting have anything to do with Sumlin Failure to coach.

Second Arizona is not a powerhouse in recruiting.

If RR was able to win with Shitty recruiting at UA? Then Sumlin could of done the same damn thing.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:41 am**

ChooChooCat wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:05 am
cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:07 pm
ChooChooCat wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:00 pm
cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:58 pm
ASUHATER! wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:17 pm Need to hire a guy from a Conference USA or Mountain West school that has had a few good years.
Like who?
Jay Norvell.
Jay Norvell? I know you can do better than that. He not ready for Pac 12.
The San Jose State coach seems like a good option too.

You better hope a better job doesn't open up. If I was him I would stay.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:50 am**

CopaCat wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:23 am
ChooChooCat wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:05 am
cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:07 pm
ChooChooCat wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:00 pm
cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:58 pm

Like who?
Jay Norvell.
Jay Norvell? I know you can do better than that. He not ready for Pac 12.
The San Jose State coach seems like a good option too.
Amazingly Brent Brennan was a GA here in 2000. He is also the brother of Brad Brennan. Also coached under Tomey at San Jose St and Rich Ellerson at Cal Poly. Not sure he has done enough yet to warrant this job but definitely some interesting connections. 6-0 at San Jose St is an impressive feat.

Being a GA like two decade ago doesn't say much. Any HC can go 6-0 at a school like San Jose St or any other G5 school. Tell me how many coaches like that have already done that and went on bigger job and succeed and failed.

Better hope more appealing job dont open up for him to decline and look elsewhere.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:52 am**

Chicat wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:28 am Hire him and let’s start paying recruits more than whatever USC pays.

You really think that going to make UA football better. Ok Let pay for recruit service and suffer the death penalty

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:30 am**

cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:55 pm
DrWildcat wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:32 pm
cordera89 wrote:You fools, Ask this question.

How do we go from 7 win team in 17? to two straight losing season?

How does Sumlin and Mazzone screw up Khalil Tate in Two season.

Let me put some fire into this insult. RR won with less talent and incapable Defense. Sumlin couldn't muster to win with less talent and incapable defense.
Its funny that you think Tate is/was a good QB. Maybe he was good 2 years ago when he played RB but he was never a legit QB. Beside, he is scared to get hit now so he would probably even suck in the RR offense at this point.

RR got us into this mess with his horrible recruiting and so far Sumlin has done nothing to fix it.
Oh i really want you to explain that one. How is it RR fault? I mean he did rebound from a terrible season in 2016 by going 3-9 and rebound to 7 win season and bowl berth? If you want really want to go there It all being consistent. Arizona football is not a powerhouse that win 10-12 game a year. Arizona football is consistent on 7-8 game a year. If you want to shit on RR because you though Sumlin was going to do better? RR got the last laugh never should of fired him.

I’m not sure what there is to explain. RR did not bring in much talent, much less than Stoops, and then Sumlin continued the shit recruiting. That’s all I was saying. Can’t consistently win without talent.

Now at this point it is clear Sumlin can’t coach worth shit but that doesn’t mean RR was worth keeping. I would have given RR another year based on performance but I still think he was trending towards being fired in the end.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:21 am**

So how many more recruits do we lose after that dumpster fire of a game?

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:26 am**

cordera89 wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:38 amI dont think recruiting have anything to do with Sumlin Failure to coach.

Recruiting doesn’t matter?

Cordy, ask your boy RichRod if recruiting matters. Or do you think he just forgot how to coach mid-way through his tenure?

He went 8-5, 8-5, 10-4 with Stoop’s recruits and 7-6, 3-9, 7-6 with his own. He could have built on that Pac12 South championship season and Fiesta Bowl appearance by hitting the recruiting trail hard but instead he let his buddies who were assistants stay by the pool in Tucson and make the bare minimum effort to do any recruiting whatsoever.

Sumlin can’t coach. We see that. But if you also don’t have talent, your coaching deficiencies are going to be magnified.

Sorry Cordy, your boy RR ain’t coming back. I’d tell you to go root for whatever school he’s coaching now but his ass is unemployed. He ain’t the guy you want us to think he is. Quit trying to gaslight.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:31 am**

phxcat23 wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:21 am So how many more recruits do we lose after that dumpster fire of a game?

At least a couple. But I’m guessing they were already leaning toward decommitting.

If Robbins and Heeke decide to keep Sumlin they need to say so now. This loss and an uncertain future hanging over the program’s head will have more than a few recruits running for the hills.

If they want to fire him they should do so this week and float some exciting names out there to keep some of these kids intrigued. You’ll still get decommits from kids who feel loyal to Sumlin or the assistants but others will wait to see who we hire.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:40 am**

Yeah, and what about over the last few weeks players opting out? Is that Because they are done with Sumlin? Seems like the players are revolting against him. Unfortunately haven’t been able to stay in the loop as much.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:45 am**

Do we think it’s too late to give Shay Binion a call?

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:52 am**

Forget all this talk about who are next coach will be. First is first...let’s not linger longer.

FIRE Sumlin. NOW!!!

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:54 am**

The sun just came up...Why hasn’t he been fired yet?

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:14 am**

cordera89 wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:41 am
ChooChooCat wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:05 am
cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:07 pm
ChooChooCat wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:00 pm
cordera89 wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:58 pm

Like who?
Jay Norvell.
Jay Norvell? I know you can do better than that. He not ready for Pac 12.
The San Jose State coach seems like a good option too.
You better hope a better job doesn't open up. If I was him I would stay.

I don't even think he's on Heeke/Robbins's list. I'd prepare for a retread. These two bumbling idiots don't know any other route. From what I can tell it's up to Sark to say yes or no.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:16 am**

Btw I fully believe this was partially a mutiny by the players or at least a majority of them. Take from that what you will. You don't lose to your rivals 70-7. Our team is bad no question, but we weren't this bad, and ASU sure as shit isn't that good.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:41 am**

ChooChooCat wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:16 am Btw I fully believe this was partially a mutiny by the players or at least a majority of them. Take from that what you will. You don't lose to your rivals 70-7. Our team is bad no question, but we weren't this bad, and ASU sure as shit isn't that good.

If so, kudos to them. They made it seem so effortless.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:49 am**

ChooChooCat wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:16 am Btw I fully believe this was partially a mutiny by the players or at least a majority of them. Take from that what you will. You don't lose to your rivals 70-7. Our team is bad no question, but we weren't this bad, and ASU sure as shit isn't that good.

I don't buy this... not against ASU. Too much personal pride in this game. Just look at the reaction from twitter last night from so many former players. They were disgusted.

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