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Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 1:19 pm
by Merkin
Obviously don't have any sources, but thought I read where WSU/OSU to the B12 only if the PAC-2 gives up all PAC assets and all future PAC moneys (e.g. past NCAA tourney money paid in a future date) to the B12. Considerable amount of money, and like Oregon and UDub in the B1G, probably only get half shares to start.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 1:30 pm
by Winger
ChooChooCat wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:38 am
Winger wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 12:36 pm
Anyone else heard, or is it otherwise out there, that the B12 is adding WSU and OSU?
I heard this past week that that was going down and to expect an announcement within the next couple months.
Sourcing is difficult for me to attest to however.
If it happens I don't think it happens until 2026. Reason being that they own all the rights to the Pac-12 at this point and if they leave before Summer 2026 then everything gets split up between all 12 Pac members. I doubt OSU/Wazzu or the Big 12 wants any of that money or rights to the television network equipment going to the remaining 6 old Pac 12 schools.
Where have you heard that noise from Winger? If you're getting it from your sources then I'm willing to take the thought of it more seriously.
Not my usual peeps.
TCU dude who said 1) TCU was trying everything to get in to the B1G (wished him luck, told him Robbins tried the same) and 2) a very good sourse iho said that OSU and WSU to the B12 was a done deal.
Most of my peeps are still trying to get their tish together after our new AD put the kaibash on Learfield (or have left the AD lol).
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:09 pm
by wyo-cat
I don’t see the value add.
Two schools in the middle of nowhere will just add travel expenses to the rest of the conf without a big brand to help the conf profile.
Yay, we just added the scraps of the P12!
I could be wrong, but that’s how I see it.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 9:15 pm
by AZCatGirl
The contingency is that certain schools wont have to travel there.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 9:17 pm
by Winger
wyo-cat wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:09 pm
I don’t see the value add.
Two schools in the middle of nowhere will just add travel expenses to the rest of the conf without a big brand to help the conf profile.
Yay, we just added the scraps of the P12!
I could be wrong, but that’s how I see it.
Agree with you on the travel piece. But the B12 already added the scraps of the Pac when it brought on Arizona et al.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 10:34 pm
by wyo-cat
Winger wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 9:17 pm
wyo-cat wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:09 pm
I don’t see the value add.
Two schools in the middle of nowhere will just add travel expenses to the rest of the conf without a big brand to help the conf profile.
Yay, we just added the scraps of the P12!
I could be wrong, but that’s how I see it.
Agree with you on the travel piece. But the B12 already added the scraps of the Pac when it brought on Arizona et al.
True, but AZ, CO and UT are pretty easy to get to.
We’ll see. I’m no Nostradamus.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:02 am
by Alieberman
I’d rather have to travel to OSU and WSU than West Virginia or Central Florida.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:53 am
by ChooChooCat
wyo-cat wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:09 pm
I don’t see the value add.
Two schools in the middle of nowhere will just add travel expenses to the rest of the conf without a big brand to help the conf profile.
Yay, we just added the scraps of the P12!
I could be wrong, but that’s how I see it.
Truth be told the value is short term via the remaining Pac-12 assets, although maybe kinda long term if there's value with the network equipment and such that could be used for a good while. My guess is the motivation is the Big12 would have more funds to add Clemson/FSU.
Honestly I only see their fit as football only members (maybe throw in baseball for the Beavs as well). Yormark is trying to grow the basketball revenue pot as well and obviously those two schools don't do jack shit in that regard. I could envision a world where we add the Beavs/Cougs in football only, they join the WCC for everything else outside of baseball for the Beavs, and we take on UCONN, Gonzaga, or whatever basketball school you can think of.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:54 am
by ChooChooCat
Alieberman wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:02 am
I’d rather have to travel to OSU and WSU than West Virginia or Central Florida.
OSU is only a short trip from Portland so it's not bad. Wazzu though, blah screw that. Would rather travel to Orlando over that road trip any day.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:08 am
by Alieberman
ChooChooCat wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:54 am
Alieberman wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:02 am
I’d rather have to travel to OSU and WSU than West Virginia or Central Florida.
OSU is only a short trip from Portland so it's not bad. Wazzu though, blah screw that. Would rather travel to Orlando over that road trip any day.
I'll admit... I'm certainly biased based on my hatred of all things Orlando
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:24 am
by wyo-cat
Alieberman wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:08 am
ChooChooCat wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:54 am
Alieberman wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:02 am
I’d rather have to travel to OSU and WSU than West Virginia or Central Florida.
OSU is only a short trip from Portland so it's not bad. Wazzu though, blah screw that. Would rather travel to Orlando over that road trip any day.
I'll admit... I'm certainly biased based on my hatred of all things Orlando
I’ve never been to Orlando. I feel the same about Florida in general.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:04 am
by CalStateTempe
Orlando sucks
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:58 am
by Merkin
First game for FCU is August 29th at 4pm.
What is the weather like in Orlando in late August?
The average daily temperature in Orlando in August ranges from 23°C (73°F) to 33°C (91°F). Daytime temperatures often reach the mid to high 30s Celsius (90s Fahrenheit), while nighttime temperatures rarely drop below 23°C (73°F).
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:00 am
by Winger
wyo-cat wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 10:34 pm
Winger wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 9:17 pm
wyo-cat wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:09 pm
I don’t see the value add.
Two schools in the middle of nowhere will just add travel expenses to the rest of the conf without a big brand to help the conf profile.
Yay, we just added the scraps of the P12!
I could be wrong, but that’s how I see it.
Agree with you on the travel piece. But the B12 already added the scraps of the Pac when it brought on Arizona et al.
True, but AZ, CO and UT are pretty easy to get to.
We’ll see. I’m no Nostradamus.
Agree with that as well, and don't take me the wrong way; though the "4 corners" were scraps of the Pac all add significant value in multiple ways to the B12. WSU and OSU are more scrappy and would come in about even with the rest of the B12 conference. This is part of why I am bummed those traitorous bitches SC and UCLA killed off the Pac and Arizona got relegated. Hopefully Robbins is/was right and this all blows up by 2028 and Arizona finds a better solution/home.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:06 pm
by CalStateTempe
Winger-domus…where do we land?
We’re not football enough for the sec and not “smart blue blood moneyed” enough for the B1G. So where does Arizona go?
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 3:26 pm
by Winger
CalStateTempe wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:06 pm
Winger-domus…where do we land?
We’re not football enough for the sec and not “smart blue blood moneyed” enough for the B1G. So where does Arizona go?
Dunno.
Maybe football gets sectioned off on its own and we go back to regional conferences for everything else and we end up in a Pac 10-12-14.
That is what some of the smart money was saying shortly after we went B12.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 4:15 pm
by CalStateTempe
Personally, I think the whole superconference idea is going to fall apart much like it did in Europe.
No one for a big name brand team wants to see them go six and six over season when they’re playing other big namebrand teams only
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 4:58 pm
by Winger
CalStateTempe wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 4:15 pm
Personally, I think the whole superconference idea is going to fall apart much like it did in Europe.
No one for a big name brand team wants to see them go six and six over season when they’re playing other big namebrand teams only
I hope youre right. Imv so much of what makes college sports special is the regionality.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:52 pm
by dmjcat
CalStateTempe wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:06 pm
Winger-domus…where do we land?
We’re not football enough for the sec and not “smart blue blood moneyed” enough for the B1G. So where does Arizona go?
Contrary to what a couple of delusional posters believe, we are not going to get an invite from either the SEC or the B1G.
The best the UA can hope for is to belong the "Best of the Rest" conference, which at this time is the Big12. We have already landed in the best possible place for our situation. I'm not holding out for the disintegration of the Super Conferences, which I think is highly unlikely to happen. Money doesn't talk...........it Screams. In no world are the members of the B1G/SEC ever going to give that up.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:24 am
by ChooChooCat
dmjcat wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:52 pm
CalStateTempe wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:06 pm
Winger-domus…where do we land?
We’re not football enough for the sec and not “smart blue blood moneyed” enough for the B1G. So where does Arizona go?
Contrary to what a couple of delusional posters believe, we are not going to get an invite from either the SEC or the B1G.
The best the UA can hope for is to belong the "Best of the Rest" conference, which at this time is the Big12. We have already landed in the best possible place for our situation. I'm not holding out for the disintegration of the Super Conferences, which I think is highly unlikely to happen. Money doesn't talk...........it Screams. In no world are the members of the B1G/SEC ever going to give that up.
This is where I'm at. I think there will be 3 conferences of 20-24 members each and we'll be in #3. Only thing that'll suck is if ASU gets the call up solely due to Phoenix market and let's be honest that's the sole reason they'd ever get a call up.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2024 7:21 am
by pc in NM
ChooChooCat wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:24 am
dmjcat wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:52 pm
CalStateTempe wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:06 pm
Winger-domus…where do we land?
We’re not football enough for the sec and not “smart blue blood moneyed” enough for the B1G. So where does Arizona go?
Contrary to what a couple of delusional posters believe, we are not going to get an invite from either the SEC or the B1G.
The best the UA can hope for is to belong the "Best of the Rest" conference, which at this time is the Big12. We have already landed in the best possible place for our situation. I'm not holding out for the disintegration of the Super Conferences, which I think is highly unlikely to happen. Money doesn't talk...........it Screams. In no world are the members of the B1G/SEC ever going to give that up.
This is where I'm at. I think there will be 3 conferences of 20-24 members each and we'll be in #3. Only thing that'll suck is if ASU gets the call up solely due to Phoenix market and let's be honest that's the sole reason they'd ever get a call up.
In that scenario (3 conferences), the reality will be that thiere is a new "top tier" (the BIG and SEC), and the "rest" - if and when that happens, the BIG and SEC will have little furthern use for the NCAA, as far as football goes...
I then believe that the ~50 top football schools drop out of the NCAA, form some kind of second-tier professional football super-league, and that the traditional athletic conference model collapses. The NCAA will then reform around the rest of the sports, and - here's my shocking prediction - athletic conferences built primarily upon geographic/location considerations will be formed...
... back to the future!!
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2024 7:55 am
by ChooChooCat
pc in NM wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 7:21 am
ChooChooCat wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:24 am
dmjcat wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:52 pm
CalStateTempe wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:06 pm
Winger-domus…where do we land?
We’re not football enough for the sec and not “smart blue blood moneyed” enough for the B1G. So where does Arizona go?
Contrary to what a couple of delusional posters believe, we are not going to get an invite from either the SEC or the B1G.
The best the UA can hope for is to belong the "Best of the Rest" conference, which at this time is the Big12. We have already landed in the best possible place for our situation. I'm not holding out for the disintegration of the Super Conferences, which I think is highly unlikely to happen. Money doesn't talk...........it Screams. In no world are the members of the B1G/SEC ever going to give that up.
This is where I'm at. I think there will be 3 conferences of 20-24 members each and we'll be in #3. Only thing that'll suck is if ASU gets the call up solely due to Phoenix market and let's be honest that's the sole reason they'd ever get a call up.
In that scenario (3 conferences), the reality will be that thiere is a new "top tier" (the BIG and SEC), and the "rest" - if and when that happens, the BIG and SEC will have little furthern use for the NCAA, as far as football goes...
I then believe that the ~50 top football schools drop out of the NCAA, form some kind of second-tier professional football super-league, and that the traditional athletic conference model collapses. The NCAA will then reform around the rest of the sports, and - here's my shocking prediction - athletic conferences built primarily upon geographic/location considerations will be formed...
... back to the future!!
I mean that's possible, but it's also way too much work. The top conferences will run everything anyways, so they really won't need to do all that. They'd also need the NCAA for the basketball tournament and keeping the little conferences involved just enough to prevent lawsuits.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2024 4:38 pm
by LuteIsGod
I think that the in season transfer rule is the final piece needed to destroy the NCAA along with the only 2 sports that produce revenue; basketball and football. Boosters will quickly grow tired of paying players that don’t produce, don’t win the championship game or decide to transfer to a better opportunity during the season.
I don’t know if anyone with the finances has considered the collapse of D1 sports, but I think some have. There’s too much money/gambling involved for a new league not to exist. My concern as a college fan is that the new league(s) will either not include a collegiate presence at all or it will be superfluous and any school involvement will quickly die off.
So, I do believe there are plans post NCAA, but I don’t think any of them care about the student/alumni involvement and are ultimately concerned with how betting can be maximized.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:49 pm
by azcat49
Goodbye title IX and Olympic sports
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2024 9:18 am
by pc in NM
LuteIsGod wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 4:38 pm
I think that the in season transfer rule is the final piece needed to destroy the NCAA along with the only 2 sports that produce revenue; basketball and football. Boosters will quickly grow tired of paying players that don’t produce, don’t win the championship game or decide to transfer to a better opportunity during the season.
I don’t know if anyone with the finances has considered the collapse of D1 sports, but I think some have. There’s too much money/gambling involved for a new league not to exist. My concern as a college fan is that the new league(s) will either not include a collegiate presence at all or it will be superfluous and any school involvement will quickly die off.
So, I do believe there are plans post NCAA, but I don’t think any of them care about the student/alumni involvement and are ultimately concerned with how betting can be maximized.
The kicker to this scenario is that the universities have all those amazing stadia and arenas, not to mention athletic support facilities. Most are integrated into large campuses, and would be difficult to separate from university life and operations....
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 12:00 pm
by Beachcat97
Haven't seen this mentioned yet, but did anyone else catch that UConn is thinking of joining the B12?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... membership
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 12:28 pm
by azgreg
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:41 pm
by Beachcat97
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:13 am
by Merkin
BYU is going to be a team to watch out for. Very deep pockets.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketb ... o_land_aj/
BYU is reportedly the "team to beat" to land AJ Dybantsa, #1 recruit in the 2025 class!
If not BYU, may see him on other B12 teams.
https://n.rivals.com/news/visit-preview ... wy6DbEzGp-
He currently has six official visits scheduled, as he'll make trips to Kansas (Sept. 6), North Carolina (Sept. 20), Alabama (Sept. 27), Baylor (Oct. 4), and BYU (Oct. 11) following his look at K-State this weekend.
BYU is the team to watch here. It will certainly surprise most fans, as BYU has never been a contender for top college basketball talent, but new head coach Kevin Young has revitalized the donor pool. Since Young's hiring, BYU has become a major competitor in the NIL space, and they seem set to make Dybantsa one of the highest-paid players in college basketball since the introduction of NIL.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 11:52 pm
by 84Cat
The Zags destroyed Baylor 101 - 63
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:11 pm
by Chicat
#4 Auburn vs #5 Iowa State just getting going. Good opportunity for the conference to pick up a real nice win. I really like ISU this year.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:15 pm
by U.P. Zona Fan
Iowa State spanking Auburn right now.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:41 pm
by U.P. Zona Fan
Shouldn't have said anything.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:28 pm
by Chicat
A tale of two halves.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:16 pm
by enfuego
Good Lord people I figured that Arizona would at least bring a good basketball program into the big 12 not this face plant after face plant nonsense against cupcakes. I’m gonna go ahead and pencil you in to sixth place in the conference this year and a potential 11 seed
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:07 pm
by AZCatGirl
We were expected to finish 5th and you have us 6th.
Wow what a leap.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:47 pm
by Merkin
At this point, pretty sure we would all settle for a 6th place finish, since that would ensure the Cats a berth in the tourney.
They are playing more like a bubble team.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 5:45 pm
by BBQ wildcat
Enflamo is being very generous thinking we could be as high as 6th. From what I have seen so far it’s unlikely.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 9:49 am
by U.P. Zona Fan
Maybe he meant 6th from the bottom, that might be closer if stuff doesn't improve. I really hope things improve. I'm not fighting metastatic pancreas cancer to watch my Cats suck ditch water.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 8:48 pm
by UAdevil
5-2 Colorado playing at home in front of a mostly empty gym...weather or #badfan?
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 8:50 pm
by UAEebs86
UAdevil wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 8:48 pm
5-2 Colorado playing at home in front of a mostly empty gym...weather or #badfan?
MNF is in Denver and the weather looks beautiful.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 8:52 pm
by UAdevil
Their building looks 1/4 full. ouch
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:36 pm
by Irish27
Kansas just lost to Creighton 76-63.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:49 pm
by Irish27
Kansas loses their second game in a row as Missouri wins 76-67. How far will the Jayhawks drop?
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:26 am
by Merkin
https://bsky.app/profile/norlander.bsky ... xlliugpc2f
Matt Norlander @norlander.bsky.social
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37m
Breaking: Top-ranked prospect AJ Dybantsa has committed to BYU. Compelling development for CBB. The Mass native is regarded by NBA scouts as a generational-type scorer. Sources told CBS Sports Dybantsa's NIL deals will exceed $5 million, making it the richest NIL package for a college athlete ever.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... d-alabama/
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:14 am
by dmjcat
Another reminder that the UA doesn't have the financial resources to play this game. From what I have read the UA is no better than 6th in the Big12 when it comes to Basketball NIL (behind Kansas/BYU/Baylor/Iowa State/OSU). I have adjusted my expectations accordingly. CTL is unlikely to out-recruit those teams on a regular basis unless something changes (which I don't see happening anytime soon). As a result we are likely to have a middle of the road program in the Big12 going forward, the type of team that fights for an NCAA berth with a 7-10 seed.
I see similar issues with the football program. Brennan isn't going to out-recruit the top half of the Big12 (and no future UA coach is either).
Sucks to be relegated AND have limited NIL.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:18 am
by Merkin
UA needs to find their Smith. CTL and DLR need to mend some fences that Heeke/Robbins cuts, thinking the Stevens.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:31 am
by Chicat
We have rich alums.
dmj is out here acting like every Arizona grad has a household income below the poverty line.
Elevating our NIL collectives won’t take a miracle. It will just take effort by the AD.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:53 am
by dmjcat
Chicat wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:31 am
We have rich alums.
dmj is out here acting like every Arizona grad has a household income below the poverty line.
Elevating our NIL collectives won’t take a miracle. It will just take effort by the AD.
Actually, the UA doesn't have any Phil Knight type alums.
And the alumni we do have are historically quite stingy when it comes to the football program. It took decades for the UA alums to pony up enough money just to build a bare bones practice facility and a decent weight room.
And now with NIL the UA will have to pony up $20million/year (just in football) to be Top 25 competitive..........EVERY year. Given the UA's historical battle to squeeze funds out of its alumni for athletics I just don't see that happening.
Re: The Big 12 Thread
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:58 am
by 84Cat
When has UA been top 25 competitive on a yearly basis? I must have missed it