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Darn. Sure handed guy. More valuable than his stats may indicate.azcat49 wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:03 am Anthony Simpson declared for the portal this morning. Going to be more after graduation
Losing Singer is huge. Hoping he, and some of the others, change their minds.azcat49 wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:47 am When I see a WR leave us I don’t worry much. Very deep position just like RB on our roster. Besides, with having two 1000 yard receivers this past year, I am sure we can get a quality transfer or good freshman (and we still have Jones and Greene)
That depends on the guy. We need to do what we can to change some of these guys minds.Merkin wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:40 pm Once an athlete enters the portal, then the school no longer has the responsibility to honor their scholarship.
I'd pull them all. Either you want to be a Wildcat or you don't. Looking for a better offer just won't cut it.
The story also states that it would also involve Jonathan flowe, the Oregon 2021 four star LB or maybe a Safety.azcat49 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:11 pm 5 star LB and we are doing very well with S’ua. Get some D Line transfers and maybe Fisch and staff can turn that defense around like the offense
Your right. I was just pointing out that it mentions that the flowe brothers would likely transfer together. The older brother is the 5-star LB and the younger brother is a 4-star. It wasn’t clear if the younger brother was a 4-star safety or 4-star LB.azcat49 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 7:16 pm It was Flowe I was talking about. I saw somewhere he was referred as a 5 star by at least one service
Who is this?
Yes, Barrs. Kind of dropped off a scosch this year without Dr Blitz creating 1 on 1 situations with his blitz packages. Would probably have been a bit more effective with a more aggressive D scheme(could be why he is transferring?).
USC was his first visit, with visits supposedly lined up later this week, I think he felt pressure to commit.CopaCat wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:13 amYes, Barrs. Kind of dropped off a scosch this year without Dr Blitz creating 1 on 1 situations with his blitz packages. Would probably have been a bit more effective with a more aggressive D scheme(could be why he is transferring?).
Barrs better watch out with USC though. Big risk/reward transferring upward after a mediocre year in comparison to expectations(went from 5 sacks to 0) Could get recruited over in a program like that. Might have found better NFL aspirations at Zona depending on how his competition/scheme on the Trojans pans out.
We are really thin on the D Line without Barrs, Wilson, and Shand. Also losing Echols and Harris. Desperately need several big transfer portal gets along that line to mitigate those losses and hopefully improve.
I read somewhere that Arizona is one of the few schools that was willing to take both of them.
Wish him luck.
This is what all the "fairness" people wanted. Apparently a Scholarship to get an education and rep the school you commit to just isn't enough with these new generations of spoiled humans. Look at Singer. Guy was a walk on here, Jedd gives him a scholarship(deservedly so) and then he leaves to a hated rival in conference for NIL money. Fantastic system.dmjcat wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:29 pm The college transfer portal is out of control........its Pro free agency on steroids.
Unfortunately, I don't see a way to put the Genie back in the bottle anytime soon
Is he a shooting guard or small forward?
What a whiny spoiled boomer mess of a post.CopaCat wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:07 pmThis is what all the "fairness" people wanted. Apparently a Scholarship to get an education and rep the school you commit to just isn't enough with these new generations of spoiled humans. Look at Singer. Guy was a walk on here, Jedd gives him a scholarship(deservedly so) and then he leaves to a hated rival in conference for NIL money. Fantastic system.dmjcat wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:29 pm The college transfer portal is out of control........its Pro free agency on steroids.
Unfortunately, I don't see a way to put the Genie back in the bottle anytime soon
Gotta love the skills we are teaching our young kids now. Love money over teammates and school. Loyalty? Only to one's self. Great character building concepts that will definitely lead to a better world in the future. AMirite?
The overall fairness of this concept is flawed too. Especially as NIL is applied to lower tiered players. Is it fair to them? Is it fair that many who are going to benefit the most from NIL are the guys that have Pro Aspirations in the first place? How is that even remotely fair and how does that lead to an improved College Athletic experience?
Oh, but the rich greedy networks and schools are making so much money off these kids. That isn't fair and that is why we need NIL now now now. Right? Lol
How about scrapping NIL and going to a profit/donation sharing system that is evenly distributed amongst ALL athletes at a school. No outside influences allowed except donations directly to the school that can then be evenly distributed to the athletes. Wouldn't that make a bit more sense if we are indeed concerned about fairness? The big men on campus can make their big money when they turn pro. All athletes get paid evenly in spite of ones better ability over another(afterall they are all sacrificing their bodies the same).
Something has got to be better than this utter travesty we have now. Amateurism is so far dead that we might as well just scrap the whole concept of college athletics and just turn these colleges into minor league sports franchises. Just completely get rid if the education portion of the commitment. Not like many of these athletes are there for the degree anyway.
Not a boomer, but thanks for the usual hollow contribution.ASUHATER! wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:24 pmWhat a whiny spoiled boomer mess of a post.CopaCat wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:07 pmThis is what all the "fairness" people wanted. Apparently a Scholarship to get an education and rep the school you commit to just isn't enough with these new generations of spoiled humans. Look at Singer. Guy was a walk on here, Jedd gives him a scholarship(deservedly so) and then he leaves to a hated rival in conference for NIL money. Fantastic system.dmjcat wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:29 pm The college transfer portal is out of control........its Pro free agency on steroids.
Unfortunately, I don't see a way to put the Genie back in the bottle anytime soon
Gotta love the skills we are teaching our young kids now. Love money over teammates and school. Loyalty? Only to one's self. Great character building concepts that will definitely lead to a better world in the future. AMirite?
The overall fairness of this concept is flawed too. Especially as NIL is applied to lower tiered players. Is it fair to them? Is it fair that many who are going to benefit the most from NIL are the guys that have Pro Aspirations in the first place? How is that even remotely fair and how does that lead to an improved College Athletic experience?
Oh, but the rich greedy networks and schools are making so much money off these kids. That isn't fair and that is why we need NIL now now now. Right? Lol
How about scrapping NIL and going to a profit/donation sharing system that is evenly distributed amongst ALL athletes at a school. No outside influences allowed except donations directly to the school that can then be evenly distributed to the athletes. Wouldn't that make a bit more sense if we are indeed concerned about fairness? The big men on campus can make their big money when they turn pro. All athletes get paid evenly in spite of ones better ability over another(afterall they are all sacrificing their bodies the same).
Something has got to be better than this utter travesty we have now. Amateurism is so far dead that we might as well just scrap the whole concept of college athletics and just turn these colleges into minor league sports franchises. Just completely get rid if the education portion of the commitment. Not like many of these athletes are there for the degree anyway.
Did I not mention that they should make money, but not the way it is set up now. At least not if you care about some semblance of structure and an end to this bribe fest to get guys to come to your school. I guess if you think that is cool in a Scholarship/Education situation then more power to you. To me that turns you into a business that has only loose affiliations to the school. These athletes should no longer even be required to register as a student, that is how out of control this "Free Agency" in college athletics has become.ASUHATER! wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 5:11 pm Don't have to be a boomer to act like one. Athletes now finally are not being treated like indentured servants.
I agree with quite a bit of this. I want the kids to get more of the spoils,but there needs to be some equity/sharing.CopaCat wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:07 pmThis is what all the "fairness" people wanted. Apparently a Scholarship to get an education and rep the school you commit to just isn't enough with these new generations of spoiled humans. Look at Singer. Guy was a walk on here, Jedd gives him a scholarship(deservedly so) and then he leaves to a hated rival in conference for NIL money. Fantastic system.dmjcat wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:29 pm The college transfer portal is out of control........its Pro free agency on steroids.
Unfortunately, I don't see a way to put the Genie back in the bottle anytime soon
Gotta love the skills we are teaching our young kids now. Love money over teammates and school. Loyalty? Only to one's self. Great character building concepts that will definitely lead to a better world in the future. AMirite?
The overall fairness of this concept is flawed too. Especially as NIL is applied to lower tiered players. Is it fair to them? Is it fair that many who are going to benefit the most from NIL are the guys that have Pro Aspirations in the first place? How is that even remotely fair and how does that lead to an improved College Athletic experience?
Oh, but the rich greedy networks and schools are making so much money off these kids. That isn't fair and that is why we need NIL now now now. Right? Lol
How about scrapping NIL and going to a profit/donation sharing system that is evenly distributed amongst ALL athletes at a school. No outside influences allowed except donations directly to the school that can then be evenly distributed to the athletes. Wouldn't that make a bit more sense if we are indeed concerned about fairness? The big men on campus can make their big money when they turn pro. All athletes get paid evenly in spite of ones better ability over another(afterall they are all sacrificing their bodies the same).
Something has got to be better than this utter travesty we have now. Amateurism is so far dead that we might as well just scrap the whole concept of college athletics and just turn these colleges into minor league sports franchises. Just completely get rid if the education portion of the commitment. Not like many of these athletes are there for the degree anyway.
You seem mad.CopaCat wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:07 pmThis is what all the "fairness" people wanted. Apparently a Scholarship to get an education and rep the school you commit to just isn't enough with these new generations of spoiled humans. Look at Singer. Guy was a walk on here, Jedd gives him a scholarship(deservedly so) and then he leaves to a hated rival in conference for NIL money. Fantastic system.dmjcat wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:29 pm The college transfer portal is out of control........its Pro free agency on steroids.
Unfortunately, I don't see a way to put the Genie back in the bottle anytime soon
Gotta love the skills we are teaching our young kids now. Love money over teammates and school. Loyalty? Only to one's self. Great character building concepts that will definitely lead to a better world in the future. AMirite?
The overall fairness of this concept is flawed too. Especially as NIL is applied to lower tiered players. Is it fair to them? Is it fair that many who are going to benefit the most from NIL are the guys that have Pro Aspirations in the first place? How is that even remotely fair and how does that lead to an improved College Athletic experience?
Oh, but the rich greedy networks and schools are making so much money off these kids. That isn't fair and that is why we need NIL now now now. Right? Lol
How about scrapping NIL and going to a profit/donation sharing system that is evenly distributed amongst ALL athletes at a school. No outside influences allowed except donations directly to the school that can then be evenly distributed to the athletes. Wouldn't that make a bit more sense if we are indeed concerned about fairness? The big men on campus can make their big money when they turn pro. All athletes get paid evenly in spite of ones better ability over another(afterall they are all sacrificing their bodies the same).
Something has got to be better than this utter travesty we have now. Amateurism is so far dead that we might as well just scrap the whole concept of college athletics and just turn these colleges into minor league sports franchises. Just completely get rid if the education portion of the commitment. Not like many of these athletes are there for the degree anyway.
Fishclamps wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:08 pm Most kids on scholarship fully take advantage of the provided education, how disingenuous.
50 percent of college football players do not get their degree. That percentage is actually better than the other major sports of basketball and baseball. It's a real shame because I loved your use of the word disingenuous.CopaCat wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:19 pmFishclamps wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:08 pm Most kids on scholarship fully take advantage of the provided education, how disingenuous.
You are right. Most actually do. Some of the NIL darlings might not, but the vast majority of athletes do.
I suppose I will just have to get used to college free agency. It just seems crazy to me. To go from absolutely no benefits to an outright Wild West scenario just seems short sighted. Many schools do already have donation sharing collectives and I have no problems with those as money is evenly distributed amongst the athletes(in most cases). To me the issue is the outside money/product(to select athletes) and schools tampering more with the lax rules. Welcome to the NCFL.
azcat49 wrote: Mon Dec 26, 2022 8:23 am Bohls might have been the highest rates Sumlin recruit in that last class and ge never got close to playing. Is there any players in that class recruiting by Sumlin still here? (Guys like Taylor and Simpson were late adds by Fisch).
So, only 59% of male freshmen at the U of A graduate within 6 years. You're not making as significant a point as you might think!!!tgrumpy2 wrote: Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:13 am50 percent of college football players do not get their degree. That percentage is actually better than the other major sports of basketball and baseball. It's a real shame because I loved your use of the word disingenuous.CopaCat wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:19 pmFishclamps wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:08 pm Most kids on scholarship fully take advantage of the provided education, how disingenuous.
You are right. Most actually do. Some of the NIL darlings might not, but the vast majority of athletes do.
I suppose I will just have to get used to college free agency. It just seems crazy to me. To go from absolutely no benefits to an outright Wild West scenario just seems short sighted. Many schools do already have donation sharing collectives and I have no problems with those as money is evenly distributed amongst the athletes(in most cases). To me the issue is the outside money/product(to select athletes) and schools tampering more with the lax rules. Welcome to the NCFL.