Bear Down Wildcats

N'Keal Harry was at our game today.

Any USC commits that we would have a shot with?

OSUCat wrote:Any USC commits that we would have a shot with?

I have no idea, but the decommits are starting already:

Maybe the staff should give a call to Mique Juarez or Caleb Kelley explaining that they could be the missing piece that the defense needs.
Besides, Arizona offers a comparable education to USC if not better depending on what their major will be.

https://usc.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1807643" target="_blank

Kelly is going to Oklahoma or Michigan.

Juarez isn't leaving socal

Footballjunkie wrote:Maybe the staff should give a call to Mique Juarez or Caleb Kelley explaining that they could be the missing piece that the defense needs.
Besides, Arizona offers a comparable education to USC if not better depending on what their major will be.

https://usc.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1807643" target="_blank

I love your loyalty, but that is a tough sell.

Good news is that am not sure that education matters that much to many of the top prospects out there; they expect to get their degree in FB. Unfortunately we have disadvantages in that area, too.

Frank Martin had us high on his list, maybe #2. If he decommits we could have the best OLine class in the conference

I dont think he has a true #2 and I dont think he goes anywhere but USC

Probably correct as they should all wait to see who the trojans hire. I am sure it will be a good one this time LOL.

Mora would have no interest in the them bug would he?

Not sure if anyone noticed but rivals ranks us #2 behind Ole Miss at the committed RB spot. Third is Ohio St. That is pretty cool

azcat49 wrote:Probably correct as they should all wait to see who the trojans hire. I am sure it will be a good one this time LOL.

Mora would have no interest in the them bug would he?

I'd hope so

UAEebs86 wrote:

He's a legacy!

Saw Anthony Fotu is suspended for the year. One thing that I think everyone can agree on is how absolutely terrible Rich Rod and his staff have been at JUCO recruiting. To me, JUCO recruiting has got to be a part of Arizona recruiting as we have gotten great players over the years from the JUCO ranks. Gurrola is the only I can think of outside of maybe Magliore this year who has contributed at all, heck even played that we recruited from JUCO ranks. Timmy Hamilton from last year lasted like 2 days in camp, Morin hasn't done anything, and Cruikshank I think is red-shirting which is pathetic given the lack of depth we have at CB. The year before those guys are all pretty much worthless outside of Worthy. JUCO recruiting can be a crap shoot but we need to do a much better job at it.

Newportcat wrote:Saw Anthony Fotu is suspended for the year. One thing that I think everyone can agree on is how absolutely terrible Rich Rod and his staff have been at JUCO recruiting. To me, JUCO recruiting has got to be a part of Arizona recruiting as we have gotten great players over the years from the JUCO ranks. Gurrola is the only I can think of outside of maybe Magliore this year who has contributed at all, heck even played that we recruited from JUCO ranks. Timmy Hamilton from last year lasted like 2 days in camp, Morin hasn't done anything, and Cruikshank I think is red-shirting which is pathetic given the lack of depth we have at CB. The year before those guys are all pretty much worthless outside of Worthy. JUCO recruiting can be a crap shoot but we need to do a much better job at it.

Recruiting in itself is a crapshoot. But I wouldn't dismiss it. You mention a few guys in Worthy, Magliore, and Gurrola, but don't forget Randall either. And Magliore has another year. If Cruikshank is red shirting then it's too early to judge. Frankly I'd be worried if our starting roster was filled up with too many Juco guys.

I think Rich Rod didnt focus on JUCO recruiting enough his first 2 years here then starting getting more JUCO recruits but most havent panned out at all. I am very hopeful Josh Allen is a stud DE for us and London provides good depth and ability to start in the secondary. But this year and going forward I would hope we would improve our JUCO recruiting. I think we should get that MLB from Riverside, AJ Hutchins this year as we need all the LB depth we can get. Hopefully get another JUCO DB and DL as just seems like we are lacking depth there.

RichRod didn't focus so much on JUCO his first two years here because he needed to build a roster, not just plug and play and hope the future takes care of itself. ASU is a the common comparison point used around here when it comes to JUCO. In 2013, Graham won the south but he did it with 30 JC/transfer guys on the roster. Arizona had 15 that year. Arizona looks much better going forward as a result. Next year ASU has nothing but a question mark at QB (Berco has taken all but a couple of snaps this year, and the only other QB to play is Manny Wilkins, who has 2 rushes on the stat sheet and nothing else. This year's roster is Berco and four freshmen) and two WR threats coming back. Arizona spent that time developing QBs and WRs. Also, some scrubs named Scooby, Turituri, and Ippolito who might be pretty good... but are now out.

LB is tough because it's the deepest position on the roster (there's 20 LBs on the roster, more than any other position group.) Any team that loses its top three linebackers will be in trouble defensively. The coaches have worked hard to build that position up. Next year they should have at least two of those guys back, and we'll see if Scooby goes pro (I'm 50/50 on that, if he'd played all year I'd figure 100% gone). Jake Matthews will be back and he's improving rapidly. John Kenny will be off his transfer year. We'll see if Ware can make noise - remember, everyone is clamoring for 4 and 5 stars and they signed the Cobb/Ware combo - because you've got to remember he's only a RS Freshman and still has a lot of time to contribute. Miller has been banged up his entire career but he looks good.

I'll grant that CB has been a position of concern (experience matters and there ain't a lot there, but that's changing as the young guys play and learn) but the position I'm least worried about is DL. The horses are there. The position I worry the most about going forward is safety. If you're looking for a future concern to possibly be addressed through JUCO, that's it.

Going JUCO is as much of a crapshoot as recruiting high schoolers. If they pan out, you've done great, but if not, you've hit a double whammy. JC guys take up roster spots that can be used on younger guys, and that costs you in development. If they pan out you get production but you may sacrifice future production from underclassmen. If they don't pan out, then you wasted a roster spot and you also lose development. When you look at what ASU has coming back next year vs. Arizona, those 15 extra roster spots they used on JC guys a couple of years ago looms large.

azpenguin wrote:RichRod didn't focus so much on JUCO his first two years here because he needed to build a roster, not just plug and play and hope the future takes care of itself. ASU is a the common comparison point used around here when it comes to JUCO. In 2013, Graham won the south but he did it with 30 JC/transfer guys on the roster. Arizona had 15 that year. Arizona looks much better going forward as a result. Next year ASU has nothing but a question mark at QB (Berco has taken all but a couple of snaps this year, and the only other QB to play is Manny Wilkins, who has 2 rushes on the stat sheet and nothing else. This year's roster is Berco and four freshmen) and two WR threats coming back. Arizona spent that time developing QBs and WRs. Also, some scrubs named Scooby, Turituri, and Ippolito who might be pretty good... but are now out.

LB is tough because it's the deepest position on the roster (there's 20 LBs on the roster, more than any other position group.) Any team that loses its top three linebackers will be in trouble defensively. The coaches have worked hard to build that position up. Next year they should have at least two of those guys back, and we'll see if Scooby goes pro (I'm 50/50 on that, if he'd played all year I'd figure 100% gone). Jake Matthews will be back and he's improving rapidly. John Kenny will be off his transfer year. We'll see if Ware can make noise - remember, everyone is clamoring for 4 and 5 stars and they signed the Cobb/Ware combo - because you've got to remember he's only a RS Freshman and still has a lot of time to contribute. Miller has been banged up his entire career but he looks good.

I'll grant that CB has been a position of concern (experience matters and there ain't a lot there, but that's changing as the young guys play and learn) but the position I'm least worried about is DL. The horses are there. The position I worry the most about going forward is safety. If you're looking for a future concern to possibly be addressed through JUCO, that's it.

Going JUCO is as much of a crapshoot as recruiting high schoolers. If they pan out, you've done great, but if not, you've hit a double whammy. JC guys take up roster spots that can be used on younger guys, and that costs you in development. If they pan out you get production but you may sacrifice future production from underclassmen. If they don't pan out, then you wasted a roster spot and you also lose development. When you look at what ASU has coming back next year vs. Arizona, those 15 extra roster spots they used on JC guys a couple of years ago looms large.

What does JC recruiting have to do with the QB position at ASU? The reason ASU does not have someone seasoned to take over next year is because they went 2 years ('12/'13) without a QB recruit. They had a commitment from Joshua Dobbs (now starting QB at the University of Tennessee) for the '13 class, but he switched to UT the night before signing day.

If there is anywhere that recruiting JUCO's has bit ASU in the ass, it is at the Devilbacker position. They had two key recruits at the position, (Caldwell and Durant), and neither made it on the field for ASU. They recruited a lot of JUCO's to the DL and LB, but those are actually their deepest position groups and they won't experience any real turbulence as a result of the JUCO's.

What about Bryce Perkins, Brady White, and Manny Wilkins? Wasn't one of those guys supposed to be the next Flake Plummer?

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:

azpenguin wrote:RichRod didn't focus so much on JUCO his first two years here because he needed to build a roster, not just plug and play and hope the future takes care of itself. ASU is a the common comparison point used around here when it comes to JUCO. In 2013, Graham won the south but he did it with 30 JC/transfer guys on the roster. Arizona had 15 that year. Arizona looks much better going forward as a result. Next year ASU has nothing but a question mark at QB (Berco has taken all but a couple of snaps this year, and the only other QB to play is Manny Wilkins, who has 2 rushes on the stat sheet and nothing else. This year's roster is Berco and four freshmen) and two WR threats coming back. Arizona spent that time developing QBs and WRs. Also, some scrubs named Scooby, Turituri, and Ippolito who might be pretty good... but are now out.

LB is tough because it's the deepest position on the roster (there's 20 LBs on the roster, more than any other position group.) Any team that loses its top three linebackers will be in trouble defensively. The coaches have worked hard to build that position up. Next year they should have at least two of those guys back, and we'll see if Scooby goes pro (I'm 50/50 on that, if he'd played all year I'd figure 100% gone). Jake Matthews will be back and he's improving rapidly. John Kenny will be off his transfer year. We'll see if Ware can make noise - remember, everyone is clamoring for 4 and 5 stars and they signed the Cobb/Ware combo - because you've got to remember he's only a RS Freshman and still has a lot of time to contribute. Miller has been banged up his entire career but he looks good.

I'll grant that CB has been a position of concern (experience matters and there ain't a lot there, but that's changing as the young guys play and learn) but the position I'm least worried about is DL. The horses are there. The position I worry the most about going forward is safety. If you're looking for a future concern to possibly be addressed through JUCO, that's it.

Going JUCO is as much of a crapshoot as recruiting high schoolers. If they pan out, you've done great, but if not, you've hit a double whammy. JC guys take up roster spots that can be used on younger guys, and that costs you in development. If they pan out you get production but you may sacrifice future production from underclassmen. If they don't pan out, then you wasted a roster spot and you also lose development. When you look at what ASU has coming back next year vs. Arizona, those 15 extra roster spots they used on JC guys a couple of years ago looms large.

What does JC recruiting have to do with the QB position at ASU? The reason ASU does not have someone seasoned to take over next year is because they went 2 years ('12/'13) without a QB recruit. They had a commitment from Joshua Dobbs (now starting QB at the University of Tennessee) for the '13 class, but he switched to UT the night before signing day.

If there is anywhere that recruiting JUCO's has bit ASU in the ass, it is at the Devilbacker position. They had two key recruits at the position, (Caldwell and Durant), and neither made it on the field for ASU. They recruited a lot of JUCO's to the DL and LB, but those are actually their deepest position groups and they won't experience any real turbulence as a result of the JUCO's.

They used a lot of their available scholarships in Graham's first two years on the JUCO guys, and that affects depth across the roster. Normally you'd want to be deeper at QB and take 1-2 every class, because you need time to develop these guys, find out who pans out, and also prepare for likely transfers as QBs are prone to do. (RichRod didn't take a QB for the '15 class but that was because he had guys on the roster at every experience level... thanks to having the roster spots to develop guys.)

Take a look at another skill position - WR. ASU doesn't have much of their current production coming back at all next year. Between QB and WR, it will be up to Ballage and Richard to carry that offense next year. (Those guys are potent, no doubt, but that's a tall order.) Next year Graham should be relying on the guys he took in his first two classes but the huge number of JUCOs ate up a lot of scholarships.

Dang I hope NKEAL wants to go to school with his girlfriend!

http://www.azcentral.com/videos/sports/ ... /74469146/

What position are we recruiting Stovall at? I think he has said he wants to play offense, but we sure could use some help in our secondary.

gronk4heisman wrote:What position are we recruiting Stovall at? I think he has said he wants to play offense, but we sure could use some help in our secondary.

One of the reasons Stovall said he decommitted from USC was he thought USC was open to him playing RB and Slot. USC wanted mainly at RB only.

Stovall competed at the Opening and played RB, CB and WR there. He's been clear he "wants" to play both sides of the ball (I know it's not HS). But that has been his comments.

Folesfor10K wrote:Dang I hope NKEAL wants to go to school with his girlfriend!

http://www.azcentral.com/videos/sports/ ... /74469146/

Murphy is going to A&M. Though, these "package deals" rarely come to fruition.

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:

Folesfor10K wrote:Dang I hope NKEAL wants to go to school with his girlfriend!

http://www.azcentral.com/videos/sports/ ... /74469146/

Murphy is going to A&M. Though, these "package deals" rarely come to fruition.

yeah a while ago when I found out his uncle was mike bibby I thought...hey he probably grew up a wildcat watching his uncle win a national title. Then I did the math and figured he was only a fetus when that happenned lol... but on a serious note how the F does aTm get the best arizona players every gd year.... mind boggling.

Folesfor10K wrote:

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:

Folesfor10K wrote:Dang I hope NKEAL wants to go to school with his girlfriend!

http://www.azcentral.com/videos/sports/ ... /74469146/

Murphy is going to A&M. Though, these "package deals" rarely come to fruition.

yeah a while ago when I found out his uncle was mike bibby I thought...hey he probably grew up a wildcat watching his uncle win a national title. Then I did the math and figured he was only a fetus when that happenned lol... but on a serious note how the F does aTm get the best arizona players every gd year.... mind boggling.

A&M has everything going for it but a winning tradition. Amazing facilities, arguably the best fan base in all of college football (packed stadium and ridiculous booster support), rich recruiting in their backyard, and (though I think its a bit overblown) they play in the SEC West.

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:

Folesfor10K wrote:

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:

Folesfor10K wrote:Dang I hope NKEAL wants to go to school with his girlfriend!

http://www.azcentral.com/videos/sports/ ... /74469146/

Murphy is going to A&M. Though, these "package deals" rarely come to fruition.

yeah a while ago when I found out his uncle was mike bibby I thought...hey he probably grew up a wildcat watching his uncle win a national title. Then I did the math and figured he was only a fetus when that happenned lol... but on a serious note how the F does aTm get the best arizona players every gd year.... mind boggling.

A&M has everything going for it but a winning tradition. Amazing facilities, arguably the best fan base in all of college football (packed stadium and ridiculous booster support), rich recruiting in their backyard, and (though I think its a bit overblown) they play in the SEC West.

And with all those things going for them they should be able to get theirs anywhere they want right? So why arizona? It's ridiculous how easy it is for the "it" school to get our states best every year. ..

Yup. The last ten years Oregon, Stanford, Nebraska and aTm have owned Arizona recruiting

ASUHATER! wrote:Yup. The last ten years Oregon, Stanford, Nebraska and aTm have owned Arizona recruiting

I was going to bring up Nebraska. Did they get the top talent, or was it just volume? Either way, it's still puzzling. Oregon has everything going for it, Stanford is though to turn down, but Nebraska? It's not like they were competing for Rose Bowls.

Folesfor10K wrote:

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:

Folesfor10K wrote:

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:

Folesfor10K wrote:Dang I hope NKEAL wants to go to school with his girlfriend!

http://www.azcentral.com/videos/sports/ ... /74469146/

Murphy is going to A&M. Though, these "package deals" rarely come to fruition.

yeah a while ago when I found out his uncle was mike bibby I thought...hey he probably grew up a wildcat watching his uncle win a national title. Then I did the math and figured he was only a fetus when that happenned lol... but on a serious note how the F does aTm get the best arizona players every gd year.... mind boggling.

A&M has everything going for it but a winning tradition. Amazing facilities, arguably the best fan base in all of college football (packed stadium and ridiculous booster support), rich recruiting in their backyard, and (though I think its a bit overblown) they play in the SEC West.

And with all those things going for them they should be able to get theirs anywhere they want right? So why arizona? It's ridiculous how easy it is for the "it" school to get our states best every year. ..

They can have Kyle Allen. 12/34 for 88 with a pick. lol. My buddy's were joking that he was on the take. Terribly inaccurate throws.

catinfl's realistic wishlist:
Terrell Burgess
Lorenzo Burns
Melquise Stovall
Matthew Gutwald (Stanford will be hard to beat if he gets in)

Doing well, but will be hard to get:
N'Keal Harry (Doing well, but will be a challenge and we better hope he doesn't break up with his GF)
Richard Merritt

Let me dream:
Boss Tagoloa
Lamar Jackson
Brandon Burton (UCLA or FSU, but he's still flirting)

catinfl wrote:catinfl's realistic wishlist:
Terrell Burgess
Lorenzo Burns
Melquise Stovall
Matthew Gutwald (Stanford will be hard to beat if he gets in)

Doing well, but will be hard to get:
N'Keal Harry (Doing well, but will be a challenge and we better hope he doesn't break up with his GF)
Richard Merritt

Let me dream:
Boss Tagoloa
Lamar Jackson
Brandon Burton (UCLA or FSU, but he's still flirting)

I'll take them all. It seems odd that we are not in on any quality LB's with our current lack of depth and only one commitment at the position.

I really want Burgess and Burns. Two quality corners with good offers.

gronk4heisman wrote:

catinfl wrote:catinfl's realistic wishlist:
Terrell Burgess
Lorenzo Burns
Melquise Stovall
Matthew Gutwald (Stanford will be hard to beat if he gets in)

Doing well, but will be hard to get:
N'Keal Harry (Doing well, but will be a challenge and we better hope he doesn't break up with his GF)
Richard Merritt

Let me dream:
Boss Tagoloa
Lamar Jackson
Brandon Burton (UCLA or FSU, but he's still flirting)

I'll take them all. It seems odd that we are not in on any quality LB's with our current lack of depth and only one commitment at the position.

There's 20 LBs listed on the roster. By far and away the biggest position group on it. I think they're waiting to see what they have next year with the current freshmen and redshirts, plus Kenny comes off his transfer year. Turituri and Ippolito are back next year as well. One thing that's come out of this current mess is that a lot of the younger guys are getting game experience.

azpenguin wrote:

gronk4heisman wrote:

catinfl wrote:catinfl's realistic wishlist:
Terrell Burgess
Lorenzo Burns
Melquise Stovall
Matthew Gutwald (Stanford will be hard to beat if he gets in)

Doing well, but will be hard to get:
N'Keal Harry (Doing well, but will be a challenge and we better hope he doesn't break up with his GF)
Richard Merritt

Let me dream:
Boss Tagoloa
Lamar Jackson
Brandon Burton (UCLA or FSU, but he's still flirting)

I'll take them all. It seems odd that we are not in on any quality LB's with our current lack of depth and only one commitment at the position.

There's 20 LBs listed on the roster. By far and away the biggest position group on it. I think they're waiting to see what they have next year with the current freshmen and redshirts, plus Kenny comes off his transfer year. Turituri and Ippolito are back next year as well. One thing that's come out of this current mess is that a lot of the younger guys are getting game experience.

How many of those 20 are walk-ons? I would guess at least half.

Well, RichRod does say he has the best walk-on program in the nation!

Merkin wrote:Well, RichRod does say he has the best walk-on program in the nation!

That gives me something to believe in.


Winning!

Sid wrote:

Merkin wrote:Well, RichRod does say he has the best walk-on program in the nation!

That gives me something to believe in.


Winning!

Who is that in your avatar? pardon if it's been asked before.

azgreg wrote:

Sid wrote:

Merkin wrote:Well, RichRod does say he has the best walk-on program in the nation!

That gives me something to believe in.


Winning!

Who is that in your avatar? pardon if it's been asked before.

No idea? The cans on her are freaking fantastic thou & I thought those things were worthy of my avatar.

Has RR ever given a freshman kicker a scholie?






Is Talia Shepard.

Thank you

Merkin wrote:Has RR ever given a freshman kicker a scholie?

Is Talia Shepard.

Nice is it sad I am more excited about a 5 star kicker the big o titties!!!

3goggles wrote:

Merkin wrote:Has RR ever given a freshman kicker a scholie?

Is Talia Shepard.

Nice is it sad I am more excited about a 5 star kicker the big o titties!!!

Nope. Embrace it all as both are freaking great!

Those look real

N'Keal Harry will decide Monday at 1:30

catinfl wrote:N'Keal Harry will decide Monday at 1:30

What're our chances?

TuiTouchdown wrote:

catinfl wrote:N'Keal Harry will decide Monday at 1:30

What're our chances?

He's visited a lot recently (but also has a gf at ua so that may be why) idk where he's going, but it wouldn't surprise me if he picked us. It also wouldn't surprise me if he picked Texas A&M or ASU. Kid keeps it close to vest.

He had 7 TDs last night.....