Bear Down Wildcats

CatFanOneMil wrote:People forget that this years line-up is missing some key components that could not be replaced early enough...(and honestly were not replaced at all just moved the existing pieces around)

Anyone want to guess where we would be if Brandon Williams had remained completely healthy?

Experience, and a good chance he would have been clutch in tight games...roll through our close games and throw him into the lineup see how the dice treats the score then.

Thats ONE guy...whom Miller was planning on...

I once went on a bow hunt in the Dragoon mountains...when I got to the campsite late on a Friday (it was my only weekend left and I had worked hard all week) I sat up camp and started getting ready for the hunt in the morning...found out I did not have ANY camo gear or clothing at all...had left it in the dryer...but I did have a paint roller some paint dye and some painters whites...

You make due with what you have...sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

rgdeuce wrote:

CatFanOneMil wrote:People forget that this years line-up is missing some key components that could not be replaced early enough...(and honestly were not replaced at all just moved the existing pieces around)

Anyone want to guess where we would be if Brandon Williams had remained completely healthy?

Experience, and a good chance he would have been clutch in tight games...roll through our close games and throw him into the lineup see how the dice treats the score then.

Thats ONE guy...whom Miller was planning on...

I once went on a bow hunt in the Dragoon mountains...when I got to the campsite late on a Friday (it was my only weekend left and I had worked hard all week) I sat up camp and started getting ready for the hunt in the morning...found out I did not have ANY camo gear or clothing at all...had left it in the dryer...but I did have a paint roller some paint dye and some painters whites...

You make due with what you have...sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

We play the "what if" game all the time though. Williams had injury red flags in high school, as did several other top-level prospects/important pieces that Miller took a chance on. Combine these chances that don't pan out with the guys we lose to transfer/guys being forced out, early entrants into the draft, and the one-year grad transfer rentals, it's easy to see why things have been a mess the last several years. Doutrive, Akot, Randolph, Barcello. Those are guys you need to stick around and improve and be valuable pieces as upper classmen and if Miller can't figure it out, that's on him.

CatFanOneMil wrote:

rgdeuce wrote:

CatFanOneMil wrote:People forget that this years line-up is missing some key components that could not be replaced early enough...(and honestly were not replaced at all just moved the existing pieces around)

Anyone want to guess where we would be if Brandon Williams had remained completely healthy?

Experience, and a good chance he would have been clutch in tight games...roll through our close games and throw him into the lineup see how the dice treats the score then.

Thats ONE guy...whom Miller was planning on...

I once went on a bow hunt in the Dragoon mountains...when I got to the campsite late on a Friday (it was my only weekend left and I had worked hard all week) I sat up camp and started getting ready for the hunt in the morning...found out I did not have ANY camo gear or clothing at all...had left it in the dryer...but I did have a paint roller some paint dye and some painters whites...

You make due with what you have...sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

We play the "what if" game all the time though. Williams had injury red flags in high school, as did several other top-level prospects/important pieces that Miller took a chance on. Combine these chances that don't pan out with the guys we lose to transfer/guys being forced out, early entrants into the draft, and the one-year grad transfer rentals, it's easy to see why things have been a mess the last several years. Doutrive, Akot, Randolph, Barcello. Those are guys you need to stick around and improve and be valuable pieces as upper classmen and if Miller can't figure it out, that's on him.

"If Miller cannot accurately predict the future he needs to be fired"-there fixed it for you.

rgdeuce wrote:

CatFanOneMil wrote:

rgdeuce wrote:

CatFanOneMil wrote:People forget that this years line-up is missing some key components that could not be replaced early enough...(and honestly were not replaced at all just moved the existing pieces around)

Anyone want to guess where we would be if Brandon Williams had remained completely healthy?

Experience, and a good chance he would have been clutch in tight games...roll through our close games and throw him into the lineup see how the dice treats the score then.

Thats ONE guy...whom Miller was planning on...

I once went on a bow hunt in the Dragoon mountains...when I got to the campsite late on a Friday (it was my only weekend left and I had worked hard all week) I sat up camp and started getting ready for the hunt in the morning...found out I did not have ANY camo gear or clothing at all...had left it in the dryer...but I did have a paint roller some paint dye and some painters whites...

You make due with what you have...sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

We play the "what if" game all the time though. Williams had injury red flags in high school, as did several other top-level prospects/important pieces that Miller took a chance on. Combine these chances that don't pan out with the guys we lose to transfer/guys being forced out, early entrants into the draft, and the one-year grad transfer rentals, it's easy to see why things have been a mess the last several years. Doutrive, Akot, Randolph, Barcello. Those are guys you need to stick around and improve and be valuable pieces as upper classmen and if Miller can't figure it out, that's on him.

"If Miller cannot accurately predict the future he needs to be fired"-there fixed it for you.

I think this is more of a case of "if you smell shit everywhere you go, maybe it's time to check the bottom of your shoes."

Bear Down Vegas wrote:Just wanted to tell everyone Happy Valentines Day. Seeming as if we've all agreed this thread is going to be hard to read so I just wanted to add that it's sunshine & rainbows here in Las Vegas! Everyone on both sides of the Sean Miller debate is right & we all get trophies & cookies!

Congrats -

BDV

Bear Down Vegas wrote:Just wanted to tell everyone Happy Valentines Day. Seeming as if we've all agreed this thread is going to be hard to read so I just wanted to add that it's sunshine & rainbows here in Las Vegas! Everyone on both sides of the Sean Miller debate is right & we all get trophies & cookies!

Congrats -

BDV

CatFanOneMil wrote:

rgdeuce wrote:

CatFanOneMil wrote:

rgdeuce wrote:

CatFanOneMil wrote:People forget that this years line-up is missing some key components that could not be replaced early enough...(and honestly were not replaced at all just moved the existing pieces around)

Anyone want to guess where we would be if Brandon Williams had remained completely healthy?

Experience, and a good chance he would have been clutch in tight games...roll through our close games and throw him into the lineup see how the dice treats the score then.

Thats ONE guy...whom Miller was planning on...

I once went on a bow hunt in the Dragoon mountains...when I got to the campsite late on a Friday (it was my only weekend left and I had worked hard all week) I sat up camp and started getting ready for the hunt in the morning...found out I did not have ANY camo gear or clothing at all...had left it in the dryer...but I did have a paint roller some paint dye and some painters whites...

You make due with what you have...sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

We play the "what if" game all the time though. Williams had injury red flags in high school, as did several other top-level prospects/important pieces that Miller took a chance on. Combine these chances that don't pan out with the guys we lose to transfer/guys being forced out, early entrants into the draft, and the one-year grad transfer rentals, it's easy to see why things have been a mess the last several years. Doutrive, Akot, Randolph, Barcello. Those are guys you need to stick around and improve and be valuable pieces as upper classmen and if Miller can't figure it out, that's on him.

"If Miller cannot accurately predict the future he needs to be fired"-there fixed it for you.

I think this is more of a case of "if you smell shit everywhere you go, maybe it's time to check the bottom of your shoes."

Yeah I get it Az has nothing in the win column...shit everywhere...

Some people see the glass as half empty, some see it as half full...some fill it half full of shit and now we can't have nice things.

Happy Valentines Day, or in your case "Happy Teddy Valentines Day"...sheesh.

CalStateTempe wrote:That’s a pretty shitty trend.

PHXCATS wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:That’s a pretty shitty trend.

Facts suck

CalStateTempe wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:That’s a pretty shitty trend.

Facts suck

This is a pretty rich post considering the hills your willing to die on.

97cats wrote:good road win

rgdeuce wrote:
15-16 = Embarrassed by an 11 seed in the opening round
16-17 = Choked to an 11 seed in the Sweet 16
17-18 = Embarrassed by a 13 seed in the opening round
18-19 = Didn't make the tournament

This?

CalStateTempe wrote:That’s a pretty shitty trend.

Merkin wrote: What was not a shitty trend was that for years, a Miller coached team has never lost to a lower seed....

97cats wrote:

Merkin wrote: What was not a shitty trend was that for years, a Miller coached team has never lost to a lower seed....

that seams like a lifetime ago

Chicat wrote:

97cats wrote:

Merkin wrote: What was not a shitty trend was that for years, a Miller coached team has never lost to a lower seed....

that seams like a lifetime ago

Fuckin’ Kaminsky.....

97cats wrote:

Merkin wrote: What was not a shitty trend was that for years, a Miller coached team has never lost to a lower seed....

that seams like a lifetime ago

Chicat wrote: Fuckin’ Kaminsky.....

SCCats wrote:
But apparently it isn’t a big problem with boosters, which is surprising.

Alieberman wrote:If we don't get out of the 1st weekend with 3 fucking 1st round draft picks and Miller doesn't get fired... you might as well hand him a lifetime contract.

97cats wrote:

Chicat wrote: Fuckin’ Kaminsky.....

ya, man - you said it

SCCats wrote:
But apparently it isn’t a big problem with boosters, which is surprising.

some feedback here, in reality its only a handful of boosters who are really influential in terms of dollars and money donated/committed to Arizona athletics and how that correlates to influence - and even a smaller group specifically for basketball in terms of a voice earned to move the needle...and yes, youre correct, that small pool is firmly behind Miller, and in the end we know the bottom line and how thats managed is the key, and those folks certainly aren't letting Miller go.

to the larger and more ordinary pool of boosters, the satisfaction and/or longer term commitment to the Miller regime is less stable and less satisfied and less committed (for a few years now i might add) but, just like so many other avenues of life, what ya have in the wallet, and what youre willing to share from that wallet, dictates the volume and power on your megaphone.

Chicat wrote:

97cats wrote:

Chicat wrote: Fuckin’ Kaminsky.....

ya, man - you said it

SCCats wrote:
But apparently it isn’t a big problem with boosters, which is surprising.

some feedback here, in reality its only a handful of boosters who are really influential in terms of dollars and money donated/committed to Arizona athletics and how that correlates to influence - and even a smaller group specifically for basketball in terms of a voice earned to move the needle...and yes, youre correct, that small pool is firmly behind Miller, and in the end we know the bottom line and how thats managed is the key, and those folks certainly aren't letting Miller go.

to the larger and more ordinary pool of boosters, the satisfaction and/or longer term commitment to the Miller regime is less stable and less satisfied and less committed (for a few years now i might add) but, just like so many other avenues of life, what ya have in the wallet, and what youre willing to share from that wallet, dictates the volume and power on your megaphone.

Is it wrong that one of my “if I win the lottery” fantasies is that I toss the AD a boatload of money and then start throwing my weight around?

Don’t worry, I’ll put up poll threads here before I decide whether CSM should be fired.

azgreg wrote:

Chicat wrote:

97cats wrote:

Chicat wrote: Fuckin’ Kaminsky.....

ya, man - you said it

SCCats wrote:
But apparently it isn’t a big problem with boosters, which is surprising.

some feedback here, in reality its only a handful of boosters who are really influential in terms of dollars and money donated/committed to Arizona athletics and how that correlates to influence - and even a smaller group specifically for basketball in terms of a voice earned to move the needle...and yes, youre correct, that small pool is firmly behind Miller, and in the end we know the bottom line and how thats managed is the key, and those folks certainly aren't letting Miller go.

to the larger and more ordinary pool of boosters, the satisfaction and/or longer term commitment to the Miller regime is less stable and less satisfied and less committed (for a few years now i might add) but, just like so many other avenues of life, what ya have in the wallet, and what youre willing to share from that wallet, dictates the volume and power on your megaphone.

Is it wrong that one of my “if I win the lottery” fantasies is that I toss the AD a boatload of money and then start throwing my weight around?

Don’t worry, I’ll put up poll threads here before I decide whether CSM should be fired.

I can't wait to visit the University of Arizona "Chicat" badminton Center.

pc in NM wrote:

Alieberman wrote:If we don't get out of the 1st weekend with 3 fucking 1st round draft picks and Miller doesn't get fired... you might as well hand him a lifetime contract.

Well, Coach K needed the help of two refs to get out of the first weekend lsst year, with one of the best recruituing classes in history....

PHXCATS wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:That’s a pretty shitty trend.

Facts suck

Alieberman wrote:

pc in NM wrote:

Alieberman wrote:If we don't get out of the 1st weekend with 3 fucking 1st round draft picks and Miller doesn't get fired... you might as well hand him a lifetime contract.

Well, Coach K needed the help of two refs to get out of the first weekend lsst year, with one of the best recruituing classes in history....

Ummm... we might not like Coach K around here... but his career record has earned him a lifetime contract. I believe he may have been to a Final 4 once or twice...

Chicat wrote:

azgreg wrote:

Chicat wrote:

97cats wrote:

Chicat wrote: Fuckin’ Kaminsky.....

ya, man - you said it

SCCats wrote:
But apparently it isn’t a big problem with boosters, which is surprising.

some feedback here, in reality its only a handful of boosters who are really influential in terms of dollars and money donated/committed to Arizona athletics and how that correlates to influence - and even a smaller group specifically for basketball in terms of a voice earned to move the needle...and yes, youre correct, that small pool is firmly behind Miller, and in the end we know the bottom line and how thats managed is the key, and those folks certainly aren't letting Miller go.
Pool Rules, Pool Rules, Pool Rules, Pool Rules.........
to the larger and more ordinary pool of boosters, the satisfaction and/or longer term commitment to the Miller regime is less stable and less satisfied and less committed (for a few years now i might add) but, just like so many other avenues of life, what ya have in the wallet, and what youre willing to share from that wallet, dictates the volume and power on your megaphone.

Is it wrong that one of my “if I win the lottery” fantasies is that I toss the AD a boatload of money and then start throwing my weight around?

Don’t worry, I’ll put up poll threads here before I decide whether CSM should be fired.

I can't wait to visit the University of Arizona "Chicat" badminton Center.

No no no, we’re renaming the Rec Center and instituting some new rules for the pool that will definitely get us in some hot water in the #MeToo era.

97cats wrote:

Merkin wrote: What was not a shitty trend was that for years, a Miller coached team has never lost to a lower seed....

that seams like a lifetime ago

TheCat wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:That’s a pretty shitty trend.

Facts suck

Well here is a fact for you......Coach K did not make it past the round of 32 in his first 10 years as a head coach......I guess Sean is doing better then that....is that what you are saying???..... those are facts.

SCCats wrote:

rgdeuce wrote:
15-16 = Embarrassed by an 11 seed in the opening round
16-17 = Choked to an 11 seed in the Sweet 16
17-18 = Embarrassed by a 13 seed in the opening round
18-19 = Didn't make the tournament

This?

Larry Scott: “Looks great to me! Give that man a raise”

I remember our last three or four tournaments being bad, but I don’t remember them being that bad. That’s a fucking disaster.

Alieberman wrote:If we don't get out of the 1st weekend with 3 fucking 1st round draft picks and Miller doesn't get fired... you might as well hand him a lifetime contract.

TheCat wrote:We don't have 3 first round choices.....

Alieberman wrote:If we don't get out of the 1st weekend with 3 fucking 1st round draft picks and Miller doesn't get fired... you might as well hand him a lifetime contract.

Captain Obvious wrote:

Alieberman wrote:If we don't get out of the 1st weekend with 3 fucking 1st round draft picks and Miller doesn't get fired... you might as well hand him a lifetime contract.

I'm afraid we're stuck with Miller meaning we're stuck with more March sadness. Keep in mind doing less with more is Miller's vision of DWWD. I'm guessing this team will manage to make the NCAA tournament only to be ousted in game one.......again. Expectation management is the key. People expecting anything other than another embarrassing first round exit are just fooling themselves. We all know how this ends. For those that want to focus on the uncertainty in college basketball this year sadly attempting to usurp some sort of positive ending scenario just makes me laugh. This years team isn't going to magically morph into a FF or NC caliber juggernaut. In the end the Final Four will be comprised of mostly blue blood programs as usual. I know I'm not popular for posting this viewpoint and I really don't care. Come back to this post after the season is over and see how correct I end up being.

rgdeuce wrote:

TheCat wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:That’s a pretty shitty trend.

Facts suck

Well here is a fact for you......Coach K did not make it past the round of 32 in his first 10 years as a head coach......I guess Sean is doing better then that....is that what you are saying???..... those are facts.

Major flaws with your talking point - Coach K's first five years were at Army, which is far from what Miller started out with at Xavier.. You also conveniently left out the fact that he went to the final four in year 11, then again years 13-17 (incl 2 titles) and year 19. Miller is in his 16th season. Coach K made Duke fans wait five years. We are on year 11 with Miller. When you don't ignore the full sample size by manipulating it to fit an agenda, things don't look so good.

97cats wrote:19 - 0

+3

Frybry02 wrote:

97cats wrote:19 - 0

+3

The PAC has 2 road sweeps all year... both belong to Arizona. ASU has a chance today to become the only other team with a conference road sweep

CatFanOneMil wrote:

Frybry02 wrote:

97cats wrote:19 - 0

+3

The PAC has 2 road sweeps all year... both belong to Arizona. ASU has a chance today to become the only other team with a conference road sweep

Yeah remember when people in this forum were complaining that Az could not win outside of McKale, we were no good on the road and freshmen needed to learn how to win away from home? Of course that was also Millers fault...

Good times...

97cats wrote:Arizona shot 25% in the loss to UCLA at home, the worst percentage in the last 726 games played at McKale Center - I don’t like that.

then Sean Miller improves to a ridiculous 19-0 against Stanford with his second road conf sweep of the season - I like that.