Re: 2024-25 Arizona Basketball
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:33 pm
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You raising a banner at the pc homestead?pc in NM wrote: Tue Dec 31, 2024 2:59 pm So, just in case you haven't been paying attention, America will enter 2025 with Arizona in first place in the Big-12, and KU in last pace.
BTFD!!!!
Wondering the same thing, I kept waiting for him to check in against TCU - especially with the foul trouble Henri got into.Postmaster wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:09 pm So why not get Stephen in the game? If you pull the RS, he needs to get some minutes. Especially when we were getting beat on the boards.
I think that the way their fronline dominated the boards would/could have been really difficult for an inexperienced frosh...MrKyle wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:07 pmWondering the same thing, I kept waiting for him to check in against TCU - especially with the foul trouble Henri got into.Postmaster wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:09 pm So why not get Stephen in the game? If you pull the RS, he needs to get some minutes. Especially when we were getting beat on the boards.
Good points. I think it will be a tough call when to get him in, obviously sucks that we had to burn his RS due to Krivas - but we lost out on all the non-conf for Stephen to get practice / reps so he needs to get the experience in non-blow out situations.pc in NM wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:14 pmI think that the way their fronline dominated the boards would/could have been really difficult for an inexperienced frosh...MrKyle wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:07 pmWondering the same thing, I kept waiting for him to check in against TCU - especially with the foul trouble Henri got into.Postmaster wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:09 pm So why not get Stephen in the game? If you pull the RS, he needs to get some minutes. Especially when we were getting beat on the boards.
... I was expecting to see him get a try, but not surprised that he didn't. But, I agree, he needs to get minutes.
Also, I thought the 'Cats did a great job of holding onto that 7-point lead for the last 12 minutes of the game after Henri got his 4th foul; their collapse late vs. UCLA was largely due to inability to handle bigs one-on-one.
I thought that Townsend played poorly from the get go (and I like him) and thought that his shot selection was poor. He had a step back and another wrist flick shot that had no chance of going in. I was hopeful that Tommy would sub in Stephen for Townsend.MrKyle wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:07 pmWondering the same thing, I kept waiting for him to check in against TCU - especially with the foul trouble Henri got into.Postmaster wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:09 pm So why not get Stephen in the game? If you pull the RS, he needs to get some minutes. Especially when we were getting beat on the boards.
Agree, Townsend was struggling in that game. I like what I see from him in spurts, but I think his limitations are becoming more glaring (mainly trying to play the 4 at his size in a major basketball conference/competition).LuteIsGod wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:25 pmI thought that Townsend played poorly from the get go (and I like him) and thought that his shot selection was poor. He had a step back and another wrist flick shot that had no chance of going in. I was hopeful that Tommy would sub in Stephen for Townsend.MrKyle wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:07 pmWondering the same thing, I kept waiting for him to check in against TCU - especially with the foul trouble Henri got into.Postmaster wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:09 pm So why not get Stephen in the game? If you pull the RS, he needs to get some minutes. Especially when we were getting beat on the boards.
I understand why we would all want to see him to play... but with conference season starting- this is when CTL shortens the bench... not when he experiments with adding to it.
He could come back and be University President.
I'm assuming you got that info from here: https://evanmiya.com/?team_breakdown_overview/ArizonaLando05 wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 12:13 am Our best line up is
Bradley
Love
Lewis
Bryant
Henri
I hope they get the majority of minutes going forward.
No, I don't even know what that is. I got the lineup from watching with my own two eyes. That lineup gives us the best chance at still making the tournament.84Cat wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 9:17 amI'm assuming you got that info from here: https://evanmiya.com/?team_breakdown_overview/ArizonaLando05 wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 12:13 am Our best line up is
Bradley
Love
Lewis
Bryant
Henri
I hope they get the majority of minutes going forward.
I was surprised to see KJ as our top rated player. Carter at 3 wasn't a surprise and he needs to continue to get starter minutes. I was not surprised to see Townsend & Delly as our lowest rated though. Hopefully CTL starts giving those 2 a lot less pt.
During the last game in the game thread I said “This is the lineup” when those guys were in together. Just the good old eye test. They played the best together.Lando05 wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 10:24 amNo, I don't even know what that is. I got the lineup from watching with my own two eyes. That lineup gives us the best chance at still making the tournament.84Cat wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 9:17 amI'm assuming you got that info from here: https://evanmiya.com/?team_breakdown_overview/ArizonaLando05 wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 12:13 am Our best line up is
Bradley
Love
Lewis
Bryant
Henri
I hope they get the majority of minutes going forward.
I was surprised to see KJ as our top rated player. Carter at 3 wasn't a surprise and he needs to continue to get starter minutes. I was not surprised to see Townsend & Delly as our lowest rated though. Hopefully CTL starts giving those 2 a lot less pt.
Per usual, good post. Henri, IMO, always seemed better than Krivas. More fluid, coordinated with a better running gait. Also he can shoot. Glad he's blossoming. If he were stronger I think he'd would be even better.TucsonClip wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 3:33 pm We severely struggle with it, especially when things tighten up in the 2H.
Cincy did a gre job of applying a ton of it throughout the game, and at varying degrees. Top locking, denying the DHOs, jumping passing lanes, piss poor reversals on our end, ect. The opportunity was there all day to hit them with a back cut, but it needed to be fed from Henri, because they were all over Bradley and Love. We really only got one, and it was late in the 2H by Carter, which was savvy for a freshman.
Furthermore, We couldnt hit Henri on any pocket pass, short roll PNR action today. it wasnt there a ton, but it was there and we just refused to make that read for fear of it being stripped. The problem is, Henri doesnt get stripped, Awaka and Townsend do. Almost like you can see the shellshock from pervious experience with the other dudes.
We really need to do a better job of protecting the ball, being confident again pressure, but also running some sets to help alleviate this as well. Per usualy, when things bog down, we stop moving the ball side to side, partially because Cincy was ready for this and had their run and jump applied. However, even some simple misdirection with Love into some cross screen or flex action can help. Anything to get an easy look and help with the ball movement via new actions.
However, when we were on defense, the ball pressure wasn't the standout, it was Henri's defense in general.
Henri has done an excellent job showing on those ball screens, and it slowed Cincy from getting into the paint. He does a great job of recovering, not to mention covering at the rim. Henri's ability to show on those middle PNRs, drop of the side PNR, recover to the rim, and then contest or put a body on someone to keep them off the glass, is why were dominating on defense most of the game. Finally, this all help limit our rotations, keeping everyone home, and in their base responsibilities with no need to overhelp or scramble through rotations.
I watched after the fact knowing the result but aside from how well Veesaar and Carter played, and how uninvolved early and poorly Love shot the ball (his 2nd FGA came with something like 5 min left in the 1st half?) what struck me is how many poor decisions Arizona made on both ends of the floor.TucsonClip wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 3:33 pm We severely struggle with it, especially when things tighten up in the 2H.
Cincy did a gre job of applying a ton of it throughout the game, and at varying degrees. Top locking, denying the DHOs, jumping passing lanes, piss poor reversals on our end, ect. The opportunity was there all day to hit them with a back cut, but it needed to be fed from Henri, because they were all over Bradley and Love. We really only got one, and it was late in the 2H by Carter, which was savvy for a freshman.
Furthermore, We couldnt hit Henri on any pocket pass, short roll PNR action today. it wasnt there a ton, but it was there and we just refused to make that read for fear of it being stripped. The problem is, Henri doesnt get stripped, Awaka and Townsend do. Almost like you can see the shellshock from pervious experience with the other dudes.
We really need to do a better job of protecting the ball, being confident again pressure, but also running some sets to help alleviate this as well. Per usualy, when things bog down, we stop moving the ball side to side, partially because Cincy was ready for this and had their run and jump applied. However, even some simple misdirection with Love into some cross screen or flex action can help. Anything to get an easy look and help with the ball movement via new actions.
However, when we were on defense, the ball pressure wasn't the standout, it was Henri's defense in general.
Henri has done an excellent job showing on those ball screens, and it slowed Cincy from getting into the paint. He does a great job of recovering, not to mention covering at the rim. Henri's ability to show on those middle PNRs, drop of the side PNR, recover to the rim, and then contest or put a body on someone to keep them off the glass, is why were dominating on defense most of the game. Finally, this all help limit our rotations, keeping everyone home, and in their base responsibilities with no need to overhelp or scramble through rotations.
Totally agree. IMO two additional helpful potential developments, albeit of less importance to Henri and Carter's emergence, would be Awaka better understanding his below the rim deficiencies against length and applying it to his in the paint decision making and Townsend gaining confidence in a narrow breadth of his short and intermediate arsenal to be a high leverage bucket getter. We seem to lack that outside of the Guards though perhaps that becomes Carter and/or Henri.Winger wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 9:06 amStill feel the same was I did a month ago: Arizona's celling is going to be set by Bryant and Veesaar (substituted for the now injured Krivas), though I am not sure I'd change the starting lineup in the midst of our first real run.TucsonClip wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 3:33 pm We severely struggle with it, especially when things tighten up in the 2H.
Cincy did a gre job of applying a ton of it throughout the game, and at varying degrees. Top locking, denying the DHOs, jumping passing lanes, piss poor reversals on our end, ect. The opportunity was there all day to hit them with a back cut, but it needed to be fed from Henri, because they were all over Bradley and Love. We really only got one, and it was late in the 2H by Carter, which was savvy for a freshman.
Furthermore, We couldnt hit Henri on any pocket pass, short roll PNR action today. it wasnt there a ton, but it was there and we just refused to make that read for fear of it being stripped. The problem is, Henri doesnt get stripped, Awaka and Townsend do. Almost like you can see the shellshock from pervious experience with the other dudes.
We really need to do a better job of protecting the ball, being confident again pressure, but also running some sets to help alleviate this as well. Per usualy, when things bog down, we stop moving the ball side to side, partially because Cincy was ready for this and had their run and jump applied. However, even some simple misdirection with Love into some cross screen or flex action can help. Anything to get an easy look and help with the ball movement via new actions.
However, when we were on defense, the ball pressure wasn't the standout, it was Henri's defense in general.
Henri has done an excellent job showing on those ball screens, and it slowed Cincy from getting into the paint. He does a great job of recovering, not to mention covering at the rim. Henri's ability to show on those middle PNRs, drop of the side PNR, recover to the rim, and then contest or put a body on someone to keep them off the glass, is why were dominating on defense most of the game. Finally, this all help limit our rotations, keeping everyone home, and in their base responsibilities with no need to overhelp or scramble through rotations.
I think Krivas is a better low post player. Vessar seems more aggressive as a rebounder and a better offensive player from the high post.Hank of sb wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:32 pmPer usual, good post. Henri, IMO, always seemed better than Krivas. More fluid, coordinated with a better running gait. Also he can shoot. Glad he's blossoming. If he were stronger I think he'd would be even better.TucsonClip wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 3:33 pm We severely struggle with it, especially when things tighten up in the 2H.
Cincy did a gre job of applying a ton of it throughout the game, and at varying degrees. Top locking, denying the DHOs, jumping passing lanes, piss poor reversals on our end, ect. The opportunity was there all day to hit them with a back cut, but it needed to be fed from Henri, because they were all over Bradley and Love. We really only got one, and it was late in the 2H by Carter, which was savvy for a freshman.
Furthermore, We couldnt hit Henri on any pocket pass, short roll PNR action today. it wasnt there a ton, but it was there and we just refused to make that read for fear of it being stripped. The problem is, Henri doesnt get stripped, Awaka and Townsend do. Almost like you can see the shellshock from pervious experience with the other dudes.
We really need to do a better job of protecting the ball, being confident again pressure, but also running some sets to help alleviate this as well. Per usualy, when things bog down, we stop moving the ball side to side, partially because Cincy was ready for this and had their run and jump applied. However, even some simple misdirection with Love into some cross screen or flex action can help. Anything to get an easy look and help with the ball movement via new actions.
However, when we were on defense, the ball pressure wasn't the standout, it was Henri's defense in general.
Henri has done an excellent job showing on those ball screens, and it slowed Cincy from getting into the paint. He does a great job of recovering, not to mention covering at the rim. Henri's ability to show on those middle PNRs, drop of the side PNR, recover to the rim, and then contest or put a body on someone to keep them off the glass, is why were dominating on defense most of the game. Finally, this all help limit our rotations, keeping everyone home, and in their base responsibilities with no need to overhelp or scramble through rotations.
Got to wonder what he's been doing the past two years. I think my arms are more buffed.
I don't understand his reticence in the past but he is the main link righht now. So it's all good.
Interesting……Postmaster wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 9:38 pmI think Krivas is a better low post player. Vessar seems more aggressive as a rebounder and a better offensive player from the high post.Hank of sb wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:32 pmPer usual, good post. Henri, IMO, always seemed better than Krivas. More fluid, coordinated with a better running gait. Also he can shoot. Glad he's blossoming. If he were stronger I think he'd would be even better.TucsonClip wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 3:33 pm We severely struggle with it, especially when things tighten up in the 2H.
Cincy did a gre job of applying a ton of it throughout the game, and at varying degrees. Top locking, denying the DHOs, jumping passing lanes, piss poor reversals on our end, ect. The opportunity was there all day to hit them with a back cut, but it needed to be fed from Henri, because they were all over Bradley and Love. We really only got one, and it was late in the 2H by Carter, which was savvy for a freshman.
Furthermore, We couldnt hit Henri on any pocket pass, short roll PNR action today. it wasnt there a ton, but it was there and we just refused to make that read for fear of it being stripped. The problem is, Henri doesnt get stripped, Awaka and Townsend do. Almost like you can see the shellshock from pervious experience with the other dudes.
We really need to do a better job of protecting the ball, being confident again pressure, but also running some sets to help alleviate this as well. Per usualy, when things bog down, we stop moving the ball side to side, partially because Cincy was ready for this and had their run and jump applied. However, even some simple misdirection with Love into some cross screen or flex action can help. Anything to get an easy look and help with the ball movement via new actions.
However, when we were on defense, the ball pressure wasn't the standout, it was Henri's defense in general.
Henri has done an excellent job showing on those ball screens, and it slowed Cincy from getting into the paint. He does a great job of recovering, not to mention covering at the rim. Henri's ability to show on those middle PNRs, drop of the side PNR, recover to the rim, and then contest or put a body on someone to keep them off the glass, is why were dominating on defense most of the game. Finally, this all help limit our rotations, keeping everyone home, and in their base responsibilities with no need to overhelp or scramble through rotations.
Got to wonder what he's been doing the past two years. I think my arms are more buffed.
I don't understand his reticence in the past but he is the main link righht now. So it's all good.
Both need to block out better. Worried that Vessar only has the stamina for 15-20 minutes per game.
Not unusual at allU.P. Zona Fan wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2025 3:22 am So we are a road favorite against a ranked team as an unranked team, when we already lost to them once on a neutral?
Hopefully it will happen to Kentucky as well.
They forgot how to score the basketball.
He pressed the button that broke Krivas's foot.Chicat wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2025 7:10 pm I don’t know what button Tommy pressed after the UCLA game but I feel properly chastised for any doubts I may have had about his coaching ability.