Re: Sean Miller
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:23 am
I was talking about grass
I was talking about grass
What coach would leave?Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:22 amIt's hard to imagine Archie survives losing 6 straight at Indiana. It's a massive buyout, but it seems like his time is up.97cats wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:01 am if Miller stays, that means Arizona has decided to roll with him long term - Archie back would be the perfect tonic and a much to obvious and sensible move by Arizona to do it, but if Miller long term was the choice, it would be a ballsy stroke of genius and a big f*ck u to the college basketball establishment.
Sean somehow getting his brother back on the bench and in the middle of the program would immediately increase his chances of getting back on track, laser focus back in on on basketball, and perhaps become what many thought he was truly destine to become several years ago - one of the winningest coaches of all time.
I can't come up with any reason why bringing Archie back would not be good. It's obviously a landing spot you think he'd consider, and it would mean we landed a top level coach and recruiter who's 100% in sync with our HC.
Looking back at the 2011 team, we made an Elite Eight with a 6'7, 6'7, 6'6 front line. Plus, Momo as our PG wasn't particularly traditional. That team was probably the best coached in the time I've been an Arizona fan.
I dont get it, he left after 2011. He was here two years. I think he is a great assistant coach, but I would argue Pasternak contributed more to the program then Archie and actual results back that up.97cats wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:12 am 2010-2011 to 2013-2014 were the healthiest years for the Arizona Basketball Program in the Sean Miller era - his brother Archie is a GIGANTIC reason why it was healthy during that time, and unhealthy after that time.
Whoever's got to. If we get a chance at a guy like Archie, well, I feel like we've got to do what we've got to do.Postmaster wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:25 amWhat coach would leave?Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:22 amIt's hard to imagine Archie survives losing 6 straight at Indiana. It's a massive buyout, but it seems like his time is up.97cats wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:01 am if Miller stays, that means Arizona has decided to roll with him long term - Archie back would be the perfect tonic and a much to obvious and sensible move by Arizona to do it, but if Miller long term was the choice, it would be a ballsy stroke of genius and a big f*ck u to the college basketball establishment.
Sean somehow getting his brother back on the bench and in the middle of the program would immediately increase his chances of getting back on track, laser focus back in on on basketball, and perhaps become what many thought he was truly destine to become several years ago - one of the winningest coaches of all time.
I can't come up with any reason why bringing Archie back would not be good. It's obviously a landing spot you think he'd consider, and it would mean we landed a top level coach and recruiter who's 100% in sync with our HC.
Looking back at the 2011 team, we made an Elite Eight with a 6'7, 6'7, 6'6 front line. Plus, Momo as our PG wasn't particularly traditional. That team was probably the best coached in the time I've been an Arizona fan.
Danny Peters could get a job as AHC/lead recruiter at just about any mid-tier program. I’m confident Sean could find him a new gig.Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:35 amWhoever's got to. If we get a chance at a guy like Archie, well, I feel like we've got to do what we've got to do.Postmaster wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:25 amWhat coach would leave?Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:22 amIt's hard to imagine Archie survives losing 6 straight at Indiana. It's a massive buyout, but it seems like his time is up.97cats wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:01 am if Miller stays, that means Arizona has decided to roll with him long term - Archie back would be the perfect tonic and a much to obvious and sensible move by Arizona to do it, but if Miller long term was the choice, it would be a ballsy stroke of genius and a big f*ck u to the college basketball establishment.
Sean somehow getting his brother back on the bench and in the middle of the program would immediately increase his chances of getting back on track, laser focus back in on on basketball, and perhaps become what many thought he was truly destine to become several years ago - one of the winningest coaches of all time.
I can't come up with any reason why bringing Archie back would not be good. It's obviously a landing spot you think he'd consider, and it would mean we landed a top level coach and recruiter who's 100% in sync with our HC.
Looking back at the 2011 team, we made an Elite Eight with a 6'7, 6'7, 6'6 front line. Plus, Momo as our PG wasn't particularly traditional. That team was probably the best coached in the time I've been an Arizona fan.
He seems the most logical. JET is a beloved guy completing his first year. Murphy is the most experienced.Chicat wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:47 am Danny Peters could get a job as AHC/lead recruiter at just about any mid-tier program. I’m confident Sean could find him a new gig.
That was exactly my thought but I don’t know enough about their current assistant coaches.Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:58 amHe seems the most logical. JET is a beloved guy completing his first year. Murphy is the most experienced.Chicat wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:47 am Danny Peters could get a job as AHC/lead recruiter at just about any mid-tier program. I’m confident Sean could find him a new gig.
Peters is young with an upwards trajectory. I agree that it wouldn't be odd for him to be a lead assistant at a midmajor immediately. He was a GA and directeor of basketball ops when Pasternack was here. Maybe reunite with Joe?
We'll see. Part of me wonders if Indiana won't go soft on ponying up 10 mil and let Archie stay, rendering this meaningless.Chicat wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:14 pmThat was exactly my thought but I don’t know enough about their current assistant coaches.Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:58 amHe seems the most logical. JET is a beloved guy completing his first year. Murphy is the most experienced.Chicat wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:47 am Danny Peters could get a job as AHC/lead recruiter at just about any mid-tier program. I’m confident Sean could find him a new gig.
Peters is young with an upwards trajectory. I agree that it wouldn't be odd for him to be a lead assistant at a midmajor immediately. He was a GA and directeor of basketball ops when Pasternack was here. Maybe reunite with Joe?
Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:58 amHe seems the most logical. JET is a beloved guy completing his first year. Murphy is the most experienced.Chicat wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:47 am Danny Peters could get a job as AHC/lead recruiter at just about any mid-tier program. I’m confident Sean could find him a new gig.
Peters is young with an upwards trajectory. I agree that it wouldn't be odd for him to be a lead assistant at a midmajor immediately. He was a GA and directeor of basketball ops when Pasternack was here. Maybe reunite with Joe?
I'm still partial to Pepperdine.
I half wonder if we could just find some random title to allow Archie to coach and recruit for us if we can't lose a current assistant.Merkin wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:11 pm With $10M in his pocket he can work cheap too. Same with JeT, neither needs the piddly UA salary to live on.
I wonder if Archie's contract is written like Sumlin's and Sean's, where if he gets fired he needs to look for work to mitigate damages.
We could bring him on as a minimally paid “consultant” but he wouldn’t be able to recruit or travel with the team. To my knowledge there’s no title other than Assistant that would allow Archie to participate in practices, sit on the bench during games, and recruit on our behalf.Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:18 pmI half wonder if we could just find some random title to allow Archie to coach and recruit for us if we can't lose a current assistant.Merkin wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:11 pm With $10M in his pocket he can work cheap too. Same with JeT, neither needs the piddly UA salary to live on.
I wonder if Archie's contract is written like Sumlin's and Sean's, where if he gets fired he needs to look for work to mitigate damages.
He certainly doesn't need immediate $ at this point, which is a partial reason I think it's not unrealistic to think he'd come coach with Sean for 2 years.
This is my ideal scenario. Archie rejoins and helps us make a nice run next year. He then helps juice the 22 recruiting class and helps us have a big 22-23. Then, he's helped solidfy his brother and should have an open door to return as an HC to a decent program. He's still young, so there's nothing weird about that path, IMO.
178-39 .820%. What an incredible stretch.azgreg wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:45 am 2012–13 Arizona 27–8 12–6 T–2nd NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2013–14 Arizona 33–5 15–3 1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2014–15 Arizona 34–4 16–2 1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2015–16 Arizona 25–9 12–6 T–3rd NCAA Division I First Round
2016–17 Arizona 32–5 16–2 T–1st NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2017–18 Arizona 27–8 14–4 1st NCAA Division I First Round
I know there are competition differences, but it's worth noting Lute's best 6 year run was .800% from 1997-2003. He had 3 regular season Pac titles during that run.Jefe wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:04 pm178-39 .820%. What an incredible stretch.azgreg wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:45 am 2012–13 Arizona 27–8 12–6 T–2nd NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2013–14 Arizona 33–5 15–3 1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2014–15 Arizona 34–4 16–2 1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2015–16 Arizona 25–9 12–6 T–3rd NCAA Division I First Round
2016–17 Arizona 32–5 16–2 T–1st NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2017–18 Arizona 27–8 14–4 1st NCAA Division I First Round
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Only desert landscaping is allowed in Tucson.
What about back yards?Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:09 pmOnly desert landscaping is allowed in Tucson.
We missed you brother.97cats wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:12 am 2010-2011 to 2013-2014 were the healthiest years for the Arizona Basketball Program in the Sean Miller era - his brother Archie is a GIGANTIC reason why it was healthy during that time, and unhealthy after that time.
It all needs to be well manicured.azgreg wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:14 pmWhat about back yards?Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:09 pmOnly desert landscaping is allowed in Tucson.
Apparently, you can’t even have players help recruit.Chicat wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:24 pmWe could bring him on as a minimally paid “consultant” but he wouldn’t be able to recruit or travel with the team. To my knowledge there’s no title other than Assistant that would allow Archie to participate in practices, sit on the bench during games, and recruit on our behalf.Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:18 pmI half wonder if we could just find some random title to allow Archie to coach and recruit for us if we can't lose a current assistant.Merkin wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:11 pm With $10M in his pocket he can work cheap too. Same with JeT, neither needs the piddly UA salary to live on.
I wonder if Archie's contract is written like Sumlin's and Sean's, where if he gets fired he needs to look for work to mitigate damages.
He certainly doesn't need immediate $ at this point, which is a partial reason I think it's not unrealistic to think he'd come coach with Sean for 2 years.
This is my ideal scenario. Archie rejoins and helps us make a nice run next year. He then helps juice the 22 recruiting class and helps us have a big 22-23. Then, he's helped solidfy his brother and should have an open door to return as an HC to a decent program. He's still young, so there's nothing weird about that path, IMO.
Are we still talking grass or hot wives?Postmaster wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:43 pmIt all needs to be well manicured.azgreg wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:14 pmWhat about back yards?Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:09 pmOnly desert landscaping is allowed in Tucson.
U.P. Zona Fan wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:39 amJuwan will be a great coach, there was no doubt in my mind he would work out.
I mean, I feel like if Archie is available and wants to return to Tucson, the rest will happen, it's just a question of how. I couldn't see us turning a guy with that resume who is also the HC's brother down.ChooChooCat wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:36 pm My guess is Jack would be the one to go to make room for Archie. He would have a soft landing. This isn’t inside info btw, just a prediction.
azgreg wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:46 pmAre we still talking grass or hot wives?Postmaster wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:43 pmIt all needs to be well manicured.azgreg wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:14 pmWhat about back yards?
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And that tempts me to mention laying pipe but I choose not to.Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:13 pmWell, I was going to mention a drip system, but I'm not going to now.dovecanyoncat wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:45 pmXeriscape porn. So hotSpaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:09 pmOnly desert landscaping is allowed in Tucson.
dovecanyoncat wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:13 pmAnd that tempts me to mention laying pipe but I choose not to.Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:13 pmWell, I was going to mention a drip system, but I'm not going to now.dovecanyoncat wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:45 pmXeriscape porn. So hot
You are obsessed with Pitino.Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:13 pmWell, I was going to mention a drip system, but I'm not going to now.dovecanyoncat wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:45 pmXeriscape porn. So hotSpaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:09 pmOnly desert landscaping is allowed in Tucson.
You mean Pimptino?Postmaster wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:56 pmYou are obsessed with Pitino.Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:13 pmWell, I was going to mention a drip system, but I'm not going to now.dovecanyoncat wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:45 pmXeriscape porn. So hot
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Not like we didn't expect the comments to be any different unfortunately
I’m not a twitter user. Generally, what are the replies saying?
Yeah. That’s going to be the understanding of 95%+ of the sports fan universe.
Yup. They'll let Schlabach finish out the story until it's dead and gone and ESPN will act as if it never happened.SCCats wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:29 pm Nothing is going to happen to ESPN.
They will never post any kind of retraction or correction.
Most likely they will keep lying about it, it the ways that they can. Forever.
And on and on it goes...ChooChooCat wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:32 pmYup. They'll let Schlabach finish out the story until it's dead and gone and ESPN will act as if it never happened.SCCats wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:29 pm Nothing is going to happen to ESPN.
They will never post any kind of retraction or correction.
Most likely they will keep lying about it, it the ways that they can. Forever.
HiCat wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:25 amAnd on and on it goes...ChooChooCat wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:32 pmMiller & Arizona won’t pursue it because Miller still has a job. The whole process of discovery isn’t worth it & the burden of proof will be on Miller.SCCats wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:29 pm Nothing is going to happen to ESPN.
They will never post any kind of retraction or correction.
Most likely they will keep lying about it, it the ways that they can. Forever.
However, one the IARP is settled and Miller is still our coach, I would enjoy him calling out specific people by name (Schlabach, Vitale, Bilas) for their egregious behavior and comments. They certainly deserve it—especially Vitale because he continues to be so vocal in spite of the situations at KU. Schlabach has basically admitted he was wrong by going silent on Twitter and refusing to back up his bullshit story. He printed a defense attorney’s wild allegations and presented it as fact, not knowing if any of the story was remotely true and then hid behind attribution to “an unnamed source.” Journalistically it’s as weak as you can get.
Yup. They'll let Schlabach finish out the story until it's dead and gone and ESPN will act as if it never happened.
Wonder if UOA legal/ Admin has seriously reviewed the possibility of litigation vs. espn, dickie v, smuck et al for damages?