Conference Realignment

[PHXCATS]

Arizona currently has no Pac-12 partner to move with them, so yes this is the default position, but not because Arizona just absolutely loves the Pac-12. I have it on great fucking authority that if Arizona had a partner it valued it would leave today with both middle fingers up pointed at Walnut Creek. In the end the B1G may just force everybody's hand here and it happens regardless. It inevitably will, but maybe we're lucky and it happens sooner rather than 8 years down the line.

This all ends one way in due time and that's either a dead Pac-12 conference or a zombie Pac-12 conference with the Beavers/Cougs and a bunch of MWC schools.

Also interesting B1G thought from Wilner.

Understand the wording is very important

Notre Dame seems to be the one thing that would really accelerate things. Everything else seems split

[PHXCATS]

Arizona currently has no Pac-12 partner to move with them, so yes this is the default position, but not because Arizona just absolutely loves the Pac-12. I have it on great fucking authority that if Arizona had a partner it valued it would leave today with both middle fingers up pointed at Walnut Creek. In the end the B1G may just force everybody's hand here and it happens regardless. It inevitably will, but maybe we're lucky and it happens sooner rather than 8 years down the line.

This all ends one way in due time and that's either a dead Pac-12 conference or a zombie Pac-12 conference with the Beavers/Cougs and a bunch of MWC schools.

Also interesting B1G thought from Wilner.

Do you know and can tell why CU and Utah are not wanting to move?

[ChooChooCat]

Do you know and can tell why CU and Utah are not wanting to move?

Most of the reasons have to do with academic snobbery and numerous alums being in California. Utah also has a complex with BYU, so they're not keen having to "follow" them into another conference unless not having another choice.

[AzCatFan2]

There's nothing the soon-to-be BIG 12 minus TX and OU has to offer any PAC school other than increased travel time and budget for all sports. Maybe better basketball, but a school doesn't need to be in a great conference to be basketball relevant. See Gonzaga. And outside of the blue bloods, basketball strength tends to be cyclical between conferences. You can likely rely on Kansas remaining strong, but what happens to Houston when Sampson decides to hang them up?

If the PAC 12-2 can work out an agreement with the ACC for the next few years that is mutually beneficial, PAC schools will likely make more money than BIG 12 schools. And we'll have an alliance with a conference with plenty of great basketball teams. Short term, this will be more beneficial than bolting to the BIG 12. And long term, this could be the start of a third super conference. If that doesn't happen, and the B1G does take more PAC schools, the BIG 12 will then become a better option for us, rather than stay in what's left of the PAC, which will likely be WSU, Oregon St., and Mountain West schools.

[PHXCATS]

Do you know and can tell why CU and Utah are not wanting to move?

Most of the reasons have to do with academic snobbery and numerous alums being in California. Utah also has a complex with BYU, so they're not keen having to "follow" them into another conference unless not having another choice.

Thanks. Just interesting for CU since they were Big 8 Big 12 for so long and suck here in the PAC

[ChooChooCat]

There's nothing the soon-to-be BIG 12 minus TX and OU has to offer any PAC school other than increased travel time and budget for all sports. Maybe better basketball, but a school doesn't need to be in a great conference to be basketball relevant.

Sure they do. It's called Stability. The Pac-12, no matter how much you want to jerk them off, has none of it. There's 3 long road trips in the Big 12 and two are located in big cities with big airports, get the fuck over it. It's not easy flying into and playing either of the Oregon schools or Wazzu either, yet you never bitch about that, because you're biased.

[ChooChooCat]

Do you know and can tell why CU and Utah are not wanting to move?

Most of the reasons have to do with academic snobbery and numerous alums being in California. Utah also has a complex with BYU, so they're not keen having to "follow" them into another conference unless not having another choice.

Thanks. Just interesting for CU since they were Big 8 Big 12 for so long and suck here in the PAC

They're more likely to jump back between the two because of those past relationships, but yeah academics and majority of their alums are in Cali, so I don't see them going unless forced.

[ChooChooCat]

Per Google the flight time from Tucson to Cincinnati is 5 hours and 14 minutes. Flight time from Tucson to Orlando is 5 hours and 33 minutes. Flight time from Tucson to Eugene OR is 4 hours 39 minutes and if we go to Portland that's also 4 and a half hours, but with an added bus ride. Tucson to Spokane is also 4 and a half hours along with a good bus ride to Pullman.

Please keep telling me about the increased travel the Big 12 would provide by a whole tune of less than an hour.

[KillerKlown]

There's nothing the soon-to-be BIG 12 minus TX and OU has to offer any PAC school other than increased travel time and budget for all sports.

Just admit your a snob already. You already said it yourself. You'd rather go to somewhere in the PAC with half empty arenas and stadiums than full to capacity arenas and stadiums in the Big12 so long as it's in a major city that doesn't give a shit about offering it's fan support.

Maybe better basketball, but a school doesn't need to be in a great conference to be basketball relevant. See Gonzaga. And outside of the blue bloods, basketball strength tends to be cyclical between conferences. You can likely rely on Kansas remaining strong, but what happens to Houston when Sampson decides to hang them up?

You're coping. "Maybe better in basketball"? You don't watch college basketball do you? Willfull-ignorance.
"See Gonzaga"... Cool lets go to the Mountain West then since we don't need a big conference to be relevant in basketball or we can just stay in the Pac for that matter. Im sure you'll be fine w/ that. And as far as other schools remaining relevant in basketball... hey dummy, soon we're going to be the only relevant school in the PAC12 if you haven't noticed what's been happening these last few months.

If the PAC 12-2 can work out an agreement with the ACC for the next few years that is mutually beneficial, PAC schools will likely make more money than BIG 12 schools. And we'll have an alliance with a conference with plenty of great basketball teams. Short term, this will be more beneficial than bolting to the BIG 12. And long term, this could be the start of a third super conference.

More cope w/ your hope and miracles sprinkled in. Funny you'd want an alliance or a merge with the ACC, a conference on the opposite coast, but Big12 teams are too far apart apparently.

If that doesn't happen, and the B1G does take more PAC schools, the BIG 12 will then become a better option for us, rather than stay in what's left of the PAC, which will likely be WSU, Oregon St., and Mountain West schools.

No shit

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Sorry for the funky layout.

[azcat49]

So with the news that ND will stay independent, does that accelerate the B1G offering an Oregon, Washington/Stanford and/or Cal or do they wait?

The PAC is toast, I don’t get why we have to wait for a partner.

[AzCatFan2]

Per Google the flight time from Tucson to Cincinnati is 5 hours and 14 minutes. Flight time from Tucson to Orlando is 5 hours and 33 minutes. Flight time from Tucson to Eugene OR is 4 hours 39 minutes and if we go to Portland that's also 4 and a half hours, but with an added bus ride. Tucson to Spokane is also 4 and a half hours along with a good bus ride to Pullman.

Please keep telling me about the increased travel the Big 12 would provide by a whole tune of less than an hour.

Flight times from Tucson to Portland includes a layover. How many times are our teams flying commercial these days? Non-stop flight time from Tucson to Portland is 2 hours 30 minutes. Direct, Tucson to Seattle is 3 hours. Direct, Tucson to Cincy is 3 1/2 hours, Orlando and W. Virginia are over 4 hours. Heck, even Tucson to Waco is 2 hours, which is farther than Denver, SLC, and the Bay Area.

The BIG 12 offers as much stability in the PAC. If any BIG 12 team got a call from the SEC or B1G, they'd bolt just as fast as any PAC team. But it terms of value, there are PAC-12 minus 2 schools more valuable than the BIG 12 minus TX/OU. If the BIG 12 is more stable, it's only because they are, team by team, less valuable than the PAC. Which means short term, we'll likely make more money staying in the PAC, especially if we can strike a deal that is mutually beneficial with the ACC. Long term, if this is the beginning of a third superconference, we'll be in better shape as part of the PAC, along with the heavier hitters Oregon and UW, versus going to the BIG 12.

It isn't just academics keeping Colorado and Utah away from the BIG 12. It's the fact that the PAC is still a better league, will likely make more money, and incur less costs versus being in the BIG 12. Future options as a PAC member are likely better too.

[PHXCATS]

Bro you gotta get it in your head and your fingers

No remaining PAC-12 team and no current Big 12 team makes any sense at all for the SEC

Only a few ACC teams would make sense

If also Oregon was as desired as people think they would be gone by now

[AzCatFan2]

Bro you gotta get it in your head and your fingers

No remaining PAC-12 team and no current Big 12 team makes any sense at all for the SEC

Only a few ACC teams would make sense

If also Oregon was as desired as people think they would be gone by now

If ESPN doesn't want to get shut out of the west coast time slot, their options are keep the PAC alive, have the best PAC schools go to the BIG 12, or if all else fails, create an SEC Pacific Division. I don't think ESPN cares what conference flag the top remaining PAC schools are flying, but Oregon and UW have been adamant about not joining the BIG 12. Colorado and Utah too. So that leaves the PAC remaining, or the SEC.

There are also no BIG 12 schools remaining that make sense to the B1G. None, expect for possibly Kansas? Oregon, UW, and Stanford make sense not in terms of adding monetary value, but because the LA schools are looking at minimum three-hour flights for all conference travel in their B1G future. Won't matter too much in football, but the rest of the sports can't be too happy about that.

This is where ESPN comes in. They are out of the B1G broadcasting game. Really think ESPN wants to see Oregon, UW, and Stanford all go B1G, which would leave ESPN zero top west coast games to broadcast in the late night time slot? The ACC is also looking to make more money, since their GoR contract seems unbreakable. An alliance between the ACC and the PAC will allow, short term, for the PAC to remain on ESPN and placate ACC teams. It will likely also mean the PAC will make at minimum, the same as the BIG 12, and likely more.

Long term, the ACC/PAC alliance has potential to turn into the third super conference, as Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, Oregon, Stanford, and UW are a good base to start from. ESPN would be happy if this happens, and ESPN has broadcast rights over the SEC and the PAC/ACC/BIG 12 conference that eventually forms. Wouldn't surprise me if this is EPSN Plan A right now, because the SEC doesn't want to expand beyond contiguous states. But again, if this is the only way ESPN retains the top remaining PAC schools, ESPN will make a push for it to happen, and make it monetarily advantageous for the SEC to expand far west.

Last, if the BIG 12 is stable minus OU and TX, it's because it's closer to a G5 conference than a P5 conference. Heck, to survive, they promoted 4 G5 teams last year. Relegating ourselves to the BIG 12 for the same or less money doesn't make sense short term, and could handcuff us long term. If things crumble and there aren't any options left, the BIG 12 will still be there.

[PHXCATS]

Espn has a lot of power but nearly the amount you think it does

It won't (and can't) force schools in SEC to take less money. That is what you are suggesting

[azcat49]

Seems like if this was ESPINS plan that they would renegotiate their current contract with the ACC and go all in on that alliance. Lock those teams in for 10 years for say 50-65m a year per school?

They would own both coasts and have plenty of TV inventory. I have not heard any rumors to this though past a loose partnership and we saw how much that meant with the B1G

[AzCatFan2]

Espn has a lot of power but nearly the amount you think it does

It won't (and can't) force schools in SEC to take less money. That is what you are suggesting

ESPN wouldn't force the SEC to make a west coast pod without making it monetarily attractive to the current SEC schools. ESPN would prefer not to have to do this, but I think they would if left with no other option. Right now, ESPN has other, less expensive options.

Many, long-term relationships start out as loose alliances. ESPN doesn't want to renegotiate the ACC contract now, because they have those schools locked up, for cheap, until 2036. A loose alliance with the ACC and the PAC would placate the ACC, and likely give the PAC a leg up on the BIG 12 when it comes to revenue. The loose alliance also allows ESPN to test drive the potential third super conference before buying it. Will it work? Is there room for all 15 current ACC teams plus 10 PAC teams, or will some PAC go B1G, and lesser ACC/PAC teams be replaced by BIG 12 teams?

The loose alliance is also favored by ESPN because it gives the ACC Network more content. ESPN also would likely take control of the PAC 12 Network, and consolidate it into one channel, plus streaming. The PAC already streams a lot of content, and ESPN could put all this on ESPN+ at little cost, while allowing ESPN to sell more advertising. The PAC Network already streams almost all home baseball games, for example, and doesn't sell any advertising on these streams. ESPN+ could pick up this feed, and make money off of local cable advertising. It's not big money, but 9 PAC schools streaming most of their baseball games on ESPN+, and the money starts to add up.

The one hurdle with the third super conference is what teams make the cut? Will PAC teams stick around long enough? Will top ACC teams be content being third fiddle? And does a BIG/PAC/ACC have enough fire power if say Clemson, FSU, Oregon, and UW aren't invovled?

[KillerKlown]

[ChooChooCat]

Per Google the flight time from Tucson to Cincinnati is 5 hours and 14 minutes. Flight time from Tucson to Orlando is 5 hours and 33 minutes. Flight time from Tucson to Eugene OR is 4 hours 39 minutes and if we go to Portland that's also 4 and a half hours, but with an added bus ride. Tucson to Spokane is also 4 and a half hours along with a good bus ride to Pullman.

Please keep telling me about the increased travel the Big 12 would provide by a whole tune of less than an hour.

Flight times from Tucson to Portland includes a layover. How many times are our teams flying commercial these days? Non-stop flight time from Tucson to Portland is 2 hours 30 minutes. Direct, Tucson to Seattle is 3 hours. Direct, Tucson to Cincy is 3 1/2 hours, Orlando and W. Virginia are over 4 hours. Heck, even Tucson to Waco is 2 hours, which is farther than Denver, SLC, and the Bay Area.

The BIG 12 offers as much stability in the PAC. If any BIG 12 team got a call from the SEC or B1G, they'd bolt just as fast as any PAC team. But it terms of value, there are PAC-12 minus 2 schools more valuable than the BIG 12 minus TX/OU. If the BIG 12 is more stable, it's only because they are, team by team, less valuable than the PAC. Which means short term, we'll likely make more money staying in the PAC, especially if we can strike a deal that is mutually beneficial with the ACC. Long term, if this is the beginning of a third superconference, we'll be in better shape as part of the PAC, along with the heavier hitters Oregon and UW, versus going to the BIG 12.

It isn't just academics keeping Colorado and Utah away from the BIG 12. It's the fact that the PAC is still a better league, will likely make more money, and incur less costs versus being in the BIG 12. Future options as a PAC member are likely better too.

That's what we're discussing. We're not worried about bball or football traveling, because that's charter, so you're concerned with the non-revenue sports travel right? Because you're a smart guy right? WELL THEY'LL BE DOING LAYOVERS GENIUS. Your last paragraph is wrong. Stop talking.

[Merkin]

I don't know why I keep looking at this thread.

[CardiacCats97]

Lot of very long posts to say the EXACT same thing that was said in the other very long posts. Makes my head hurt.

[84Cat]

[azcat49]

They didn’t hit the big trips to New Jersey or Pennsylvania. Might impact them more in recruiting in those Olympic sports if the kids just don’t like that travel and they are vocal about it. Every other week will get old fast

[AzCatFan2]

Per Google the flight time from Tucson to Cincinnati is 5 hours and 14 minutes. Flight time from Tucson to Orlando is 5 hours and 33 minutes. Flight time from Tucson to Eugene OR is 4 hours 39 minutes and if we go to Portland that's also 4 and a half hours, but with an added bus ride. Tucson to Spokane is also 4 and a half hours along with a good bus ride to Pullman.

Please keep telling me about the increased travel the Big 12 would provide by a whole tune of less than an hour.

Flight times from Tucson to Portland includes a layover. How many times are our teams flying commercial these days? Non-stop flight time from Tucson to Portland is 2 hours 30 minutes. Direct, Tucson to Seattle is 3 hours. Direct, Tucson to Cincy is 3 1/2 hours, Orlando and W. Virginia are over 4 hours. Heck, even Tucson to Waco is 2 hours, which is farther than Denver, SLC, and the Bay Area.

The BIG 12 offers as much stability in the PAC. If any BIG 12 team got a call from the SEC or B1G, they'd bolt just as fast as any PAC team. But it terms of value, there are PAC-12 minus 2 schools more valuable than the BIG 12 minus TX/OU. If the BIG 12 is more stable, it's only because they are, team by team, less valuable than the PAC. Which means short term, we'll likely make more money staying in the PAC, especially if we can strike a deal that is mutually beneficial with the ACC. Long term, if this is the beginning of a third superconference, we'll be in better shape as part of the PAC, along with the heavier hitters Oregon and UW, versus going to the BIG 12.

It isn't just academics keeping Colorado and Utah away from the BIG 12. It's the fact that the PAC is still a better league, will likely make more money, and incur less costs versus being in the BIG 12. Future options as a PAC member are likely better too.

That's what we're discussing. We're not worried about bball or football traveling, because that's charter, so you're concerned with the non-revenue sports travel right? Because you're a smart guy right? WELL THEY'LL BE DOING LAYOVERS GENIUS. Your last paragraph is wrong. Stop talking.

Just looked. Didn't see any commercial direct flights between Tucson and Lubbock, Kansas City, or Oklahoma City either. But there are directs to the Bay Area, SLC, and Denver. Like I said, a move to the BIG 12 won't likely increase revenues. Will likely increase costs and travel time.

And the BIG 12 is no more stable without TX and OU than the PAC without LA. And if there is any more stability in the BIG 12, it's because they have less desirable, less worthy schools. Self relegating down is generally not considered a good strategy. If we could convince the four corner PAC and two big NW PAC schools to come along to the BIG 12 with us, that changes things. But those 5 other schools all see things the same way I do. the BIG 12 circa 2025 is a step down from the PAC circa 2025.

[dovecanyoncat]

I don't know why I keep looking at this thread.

It's like watching grass grow around a slowly decaying corpse that doesn't know it's dead.

[Basketcats]

The Big Ten announced new media rights agreements on this morning. It has agreed to 7 year contracts with Fox/FS1, CBS, NBC and the Big Ten Network, which will take the Big Ten through 2029-30. They also agreed to a deal with Peacock, the NBCUniversal streaming platform in which Peacock will exclusively stream four conference football games per year and four nonconference games involving Big Ten teams.

All totaled, the Big Ten’s new rights agreements are worth more than $8 billion over the seven-year term with CBS and NBC each paying around $350 million per year.

[RondaeShimmy]

Again, why the fuck are we helping them get stability in the meantime when they're eventually going to leave us scrambling and desperate with no leverage

Last month, Action Network reported the Big Ten would expand beyond 16 schools and was targeting Notre Dame, aong with Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Cal from the Pac-12. Those plans have not changed, sources said this week.

[Basketcats]

Again, why the fuck are we helping them get stability in the meantime when they're eventually going to leave us scrambling and desperate with no leverage

Last month, Action Network reported the Big Ten would expand beyond 16 schools and was targeting Notre Dame, aong with Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Cal from the Pac-12. Those plans have not changed, sources said this week.

Because it is the best thing for the conference right now *cough* *cough*...ICU ACF2

[azcat49]

So this was announced when both commissioners were in the LA area to talk about the Rose Bowl?

What in the world would that conversation be like. Our former long time partner just cannabilized us

[AzCatFan2]

Again, why the fuck are we helping them get stability in the meantime when they're eventually going to leave us scrambling and desperate with no leverage

Last month, Action Network reported the Big Ten would expand beyond 16 schools and was targeting Notre Dame, aong with Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Cal from the Pac-12. Those plans have not changed, sources said this week.

Because it is the best thing for the conference right now *cough* *cough*...ICU ACF2

It's the best for us right now. We could self relegate down to the BIG 12, but no other PAC school wants to do that. Because it's a half step down. Won't be making any more money while having increased travel costs. And stability? No BIG 12 school would stay if the B1G or SEC came calling. But they are less likely to call BIG 12 schools because again, they aren't as valuable. Again, half step down from the current PAC.

Staying with a PAC, even it's dying, will likely mean more money short term, along with less travel. Also gives us the potential for more options long term. If none of them work out, and Oregon, UW, Stanford, and CAL kill the PAC by going B1G starting in 2030, the BIG 12 will be happy to have us then. Consider the current BIG 12 expansion options. No B1G or SEC team is going BIG 12, and ACC teams can't afford to leave even for the SEC because of their GoR. So if in 2027, the B1G kills off the PAC, the 4 corner PAC schools become the best option for the BIG 12 to expand.

But there's a chance the B1G doesn't kill off the PAC. There are other possibilities. Perhaps ESPN and TBS offers enough money to create a third power conference, and Oregon, UW, Stanford and CAL stay in a PAC/ACC/BIG 12 merge creation, because the money is similar, and they get to be top dogs in the new BIG/PAC/ACC versus being middle of the B1G? And yes, there is the SEC, backed by ESPN. Neither ESPN nor the SEC would like to see the B1G eclipse the SEC as top college conference dog, and if the SEC doesn't have any schools west of Texas, but the B1G has all the top west coast schools, the B1G will be the only conference who can claim to have great schools coast to coast. ESPN and the SEC might not be able to stop it, but I bet they at least try.

We're helping stabilize the PAC not because it's better for Oregon and UW. It's because it's the best for us.

[azcat49]

The B1G is now superior to the SEC so if your theory rings true the SEC should be knocking on the 4 corner schools very soon and working with ESPIN on monetary models.

The only reason ESPIN would want a third P5 conference is cheap content. The writing is on the wall that the northern schools are gone. No way anyone signs a GOR thru this next decade.

Of course no one knows who these escalators were factored for and it could certainly be to continue to destabilize the PAC

[Basketcats]

Again, why the fuck are we helping them get stability in the meantime when they're eventually going to leave us scrambling and desperate with no leverage

Last month, Action Network reported the Big Ten would expand beyond 16 schools and was targeting Notre Dame, aong with Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Cal from the Pac-12. Those plans have not changed, sources said this week.

Because it is the best thing for the conference right now *cough* *cough*...ICU ACF2

It's the best for us right now. We could self relegate down to the BIG 12, but no other PAC school wants to do that. Because it's a half step down. Won't be making any more money while having increased travel costs. And stability? No BIG 12 school would stay if the B1G or SEC came calling. But they are less likely to call BIG 12 schools because again, they aren't as valuable. Again, half step down from the current PAC.

Staying with a PAC, even it's dying, will likely mean more money short term, along with less travel. Also gives us the potential for more options long term. If none of them work out, and Oregon, UW, Stanford, and CAL kill the PAC by going B1G starting in 2030, the BIG 12 will be happy to have us then. Consider the current BIG 12 expansion options. No B1G or SEC team is going BIG 12, and ACC teams can't afford to leave even for the SEC because of their GoR. So if in 2027, the B1G kills off the PAC, the 4 corner PAC schools become the best option for the BIG 12 to expand.

But there's a chance the B1G doesn't kill off the PAC. There are other possibilities. Perhaps ESPN and TBS offers enough money to create a third power conference, and Oregon, UW, Stanford and CAL stay in a PAC/ACC/BIG 12 merge creation, because the money is similar, and they get to be top dogs in the new BIG/PAC/ACC versus being middle of the B1G? And yes, there is the SEC, backed by ESPN. Neither ESPN nor the SEC would like to see the B1G eclipse the SEC as top college conference dog, and if the SEC doesn't have any schools west of Texas, but the B1G has all the top west coast schools, the B1G will be the only conference who can claim to have great schools coast to coast. ESPN and the SEC might not be able to stop it, but I bet they at least try.

We're helping stabilize the PAC not because it's better for Oregon and UW. It's because it's the best for us.

[UAEebs86]

[Merkin]

Wilner was saying on twitter that the UC Regents may block UCLA's move, so the BIG 10 may end up taking Stanford instead.

Pundit here says the BIG 12 may not want the PAC leftovers.

[azgreg]

Don't see it happening.

[azcat49]

That would be groundbreaking if they did. Could be a press to accelerate CAL to the B1G. Then the B1G would likely expand both Bay Area schools and the NW schools. Bye, bye PAC conference.

[CardiacCats97]

Pundit here says the BIG 12 may not want the PAC leftovers.

Which is why if the Big12 wants Arizona now, we should do everything possible to make the move and drag someone with us. We have a whole lot less leverage after the league implodes.

[AZCatGirl]

Which is why if the Big12 wants Arizona now, we should do everything possible to make the move and drag someone with us. We have a whole lot less leverage after the league implodes.

Exactly this. If today's news doesn't get Colorado, Utah, hell even ASU to want to go with us, then we are royally fucked. Surely one of these schools must be wising up to what's going on now?

[PHXCATS]

That would be groundbreaking if they did. Could be a press to accelerate CAL to the B1G. Then the B1G would likely expand both Bay Area schools and the NW schools. Bye, bye PAC conference.

I doubt it. Those schools don’t make any money for the B1G. I doubt the late window would be enough for espn to make it worth it. More likely would be the B1G just takes USC

[azcat49]

So that extra money alloted in their deal isn’t pointed at those western based schools? I totally disagree. It’s a contingency if the CBOR strong arms UCLA’s move and some help for the travel of the LA schools.

[PHXCATS]

So that extra money alloted in their deal isn’t pointed at those western based schools? I totally disagree. It’s a contingency if the CBOR strong arms UCLA’s move and some help for the travel of the LA schools.

Right now on average each school gets 71.4M per year on the new contract.

To make it worth taking on those four more schools espn would have to offer 285 Million per year just for the late window.

I don’t think that is worth it for espn

[AzCatFan2]

The B1G contract is signed through 2029, negotiated with the 16 schools that will be in the B1G start 2025 in mind. Doubtful the B1G expands beyond the 16 before the end of their contract. Might announce expansion in 2027, but like the LA schools, it will be a couple of years before any expansion takes effect.

I expect the PAC to sign an extension through 2029 as well, with probably a loose alliance with the ACC. Will give ESPN a chance to see the numbers with PAC and ACC schools. Will the numbers work out creating a third super conference? Is it worth letting the all the top west coast schools go B1G and Fox? Or is a push for the SEC to expand ESPN's best option to retain some top schools out west? ESPN will have likely until 2027 to get some answers.

As for the BIG 12, don't fall for the fear they won't take us in expansion. It's a tactical move on their part pretending to play hard to get. Again, if Oregon, UW, and Stanford go B1G starting in 2029, the 4 corner PAC schools will be the BIG 12's best option. Still won't be able to afford any ACC schools with their GoR, and the 4 corner PAC schools are more valuable than any G5 school. The BIG 12 wants us now, and is trying to create urgency to force us to move. It's a sales tactic. No reason to fall for it.

[UAEebs86]

Everyone knows that the true football crazy schools are on the coasts. Why not team up with the East Coast football-crazed schools?

That would be a bold strategy Cotton.

[AzCatFan2]

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As Canzano puts it, not enough value in the BIG 12 right now for the 4 corner schools to jump ship first. If Oregon, UW, and Stanford go B1G, different story. BIG 12 becomes the best, soft landing spot.

[84Cat]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/johncanzanobft/stat ... _&ref_url=[/tweet]

As Canzano puts it, not enough value in the BIG 12 right now for the 4 corner schools to jump ship first. If Oregon, UW, and Stanford go B1G, different story. BIG 12 becomes the best, soft landing spot.

[CardiacCats97]

He misspelled “sauced”.

Stupid jokes aside, I feel like anyone who has to beat their chest about their sources either doesn’t really have many or they aren’t very good.

[UAEebs86]

[OSUCat]

So PAC-12 value is about late night tv. PAC-12 has leverage and can get a good deal because this is such an amazing thing for networks. Yet, BIg-12 couldn’t get value out of it?

[PHXCATS]

So PAC-12 value is about late night tv. PAC-12 has leverage and can get a good deal because this is such an amazing thing for networks. Yet, BIg-12 couldn’t get value out of it?

What Big 12 teams can play home games in that window?

[AzCatFan2]

So PAC-12 value is about late night tv. PAC-12 has leverage and can get a good deal because this is such an amazing thing for networks. Yet, BIg-12 couldn’t get value out of it?

What Big 12 teams can play home games in that window?

BYU. The reality is, only teams in the MTN or Pacific time zones are going to play in the late night window. BYU is the only BIG 12 team in the Mountain time zone when they join.

In fact, BYU is the only (soon to be) P5 team that is not in the PAC-12 today. There aren't too many other teams in the PAC or MTN time zones that would generate too much interest either. Boise St, SDSU, and maybe UNLV. That's about it, out west, other than BYU and the current PAC-12.

Now, if the 4 corner schools, Oregon, and UW all went BIG 12, these six plus BYU would be enough for the BIG 12 to secure the late night window games. But again, none of the PAC schools see enough value in bolting to the BIG 12 as of today.

[ChooChooCat]

So PAC-12 value is about late night tv. PAC-12 has leverage and can get a good deal because this is such an amazing thing for networks. Yet, BIg-12 couldn’t get value out of it?

The B1G can just come over the top, add UW, Oregon, Furd, and Cal/Utah/Colorado (whoever) and add a late night window game, which ESPN would pay for. It's literally expected at this point. We should stay and wait for that to happen as opposed to moving first though according to geniuses of this message board.